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CONSPIRACY:
THE INVISIBLE SECOND RUNG OF GOVERNMENT
An Investigation and Discussion of that Part of the United
States Government Which We Did Not Elect, Which Is Not
Accountable, Which Is Unconstitutional, Which Is Engaged In
Unlawful and Unconstitutional Activity, and Then Hides Behind
the National Security Act of 1947
PART I :
CITATION AND SUMMARY OF SOURCES
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32. Ray, James Earl, Who Killed Martin Luther King?, Washington,
D.C., National Press Books, 1992. Ray is the alleged assassin of
MLK and is "confined in River Bend Penitentiary in Nashville,
Tennessee." Summary: Documents strong circumstantial evidence
that the FBI and Memphis Police were responsible for the
assassination of MLK, and that Ray was framed, while "ballistic
evidence and eyewitness accounts vindicate Ray." Evidence was
tampered with, destroyed, and concealed. Official investigations
were used to simply rubber stamp preordained conclusions that
supported the official party line. Judges and witnesses were
threatened, blackmailed, bribed, intimidated, told how to
testify, illegally imprisoned, and murdered. The media was
misused and manipulated by the FBI. The Senate Select Committee
on Assassinations, the Department of Justice, and Judges
knowingly allowed purjured testimony, placed bizarre limitations
on the defendant's rights, lost entire files at convenient times,
allowed violations of court orders to go without punishment, and
rewarded clear violations of the defendant's rights by allowing
them to go without consequences.
Two hours prior to the shooting, Memphis police withdrew the
detail assigned to protect MLK. Minutes after MLK was shot the
murder weapon was found "packed neatly in a box, not something a
killer is likely to do with a murder weapon when fleeing the
scene. Ray was coerced into a guilty plea that was the product of
fraud and deception.
The only supposed eyewitness, Charles Stephens, later recanted
his testimony. Another witness, James McCraw, witnessed
Stephen's condition 2-3 minutes prior to the shooting. Stephens,
a known alcoholic, was so intoxicated that he could not get up,
let alone walk, and certainly not accurately identify a fast
moving target.
Numerous times Ray was told by FBI Agents, police, and
prosecutors that unless he cooperated by giving a confession and
self-incriminating statements, authorities might jail various
members of his family.
Two judges, who had ruled in favor of Ray, mysteriously died of
alleged heart attacks in their chambers while studying papers on
the King murder case and giving due consideration to a real trial
for Ray.
One of the phone numbers "Raoul" had given Ray was listed to a
law enforcement officer. Another was listed to a motel owned by
mobster Carlos Marcello. The man who made the connections
between the Raoul phone numbers and their proper listing, and who
then passed the information to Ray was found dead months later,
allegedly a suicide.
Ray's letters to his lawyer were intercepted, copied, and
forwarded to the prosecutor, as well as to the FBI. This case of
national interest had a bizarre 100-mile limit zone placed on
Ray's legal right to subpoena. Certain documents that were
legally subpoenaed were never produced, nor did the judge ever
address this contempt.
Two judges, in refusing Ray's request for a real trial, refused
to address or refute Ray's arguments on their merit, but, instead
hid behind judicial discretion and disregarded any and all points
made.
The media cooperated in influencing public opinion in disallowing
Ray a trial, including misuse of the media to print blatant lies
and unsubstantiated innuendo (i.e., that Ray yelled racial
epithets while watching TV in jail in 1963-64 prior to the MLK
assassination; but there were no TVs in Ray's jail until 1970).
Ray's attorneys were never even admonished for entangling
themselves in publishing contracts about the Ray case while Ray's
trial was pending, an obvious conflict of interest.
The Senate Select Committee on Assassinations was "covered by a
succession of writers selected by their various employers for
their ability to integrate new information into the official
version of the case without changing its essential conclusions,
and without lending credence to any perspectives challenging the
official line."
One judge labeled Ray "libel proof" (a practice rejected by the
U.S. Supreme Court prior to the MLK case), virtually inviting the
media to print fabrications about Ray.
In 1967 Ray found a "business card bearing the initials L.E.A.A.
stuck down between the seats of [his car] just after Raoul had
traveled with him." Playboy magazine "claimed Law Enforcement
Assistance Administration hadn't been created until August 1968.
What Playboy didn't print was that there were two L.E.A.A. pilot
projects in 1967, one in Newark, New Jersey and one in New
Orleans. One of the phone numbers Raoul had given Ray was in New
Orleans. It was later learned that a 15-year aide to Hefner had
been convicted for conspiracy to distribute cocaine. He
supposedly committed suicide after being pressured by the
government to implicate Hefner.
One of Ray's attorneys received $11,000 in consultation fees from
a publisher, "even though the contract he had supervised
specified that no participants would be paid for the interview."
Further, "the Tennessee Supreme Court's Board of Professional
Responsibility...saw nothing unethical in this attorney receiving
money when he had agreed not to...."
Memphis officials and prosecutors destroyed and hid massive
amounts of intelligence, documents, and evidence collected by the
police department during the MLK assassination investigation.
The media remained silent on the evidence destruction.
Anonymously a photo of Raoul with his correct identification was
sent to Ray. Ray forwarded it to his brother with a request for
further investigation. His brother made a copy and sent the
original in a package back to Ray. Ray received the package, but
not the photo. A few days later his brother was arrested. Upon
his release, he found that his house had been rifled and, among
other things, his copy of the photo had been taken. Later Ray
identified the photo as being that of one of Raoul's cohorts Ray
had seen in the restaurant beneath the flophouse where the
assassination allegedly occurred.
Another witness in the Select Committee investigation died
mysteriously and violently within one year of his involvement
with the Committee.
A former FBI Agent made serious allegations involving unethical
and criminal acts on the part of the Select Committee's
congressional agents. But, the Select Committee was allowed to
conduct the investigation into these allegations against itself.
The media blindly accepted the predictable results of that
investigation.
The Committee knowingly allowed perjured testimony from Mr. Eist,
a former Scotland Yard employee, to corroborate the official
party line, yet would not allow Ray's attorney time to
investigate the perjury. The employee had been fired from
Scotland Yard for participating in several jewel heists and for
falsely claiming to have obtained confessions. The Committee
concealed that knowledge. The Committee knew Eist was lying, as
they had two FBI documents proving it. Further, at the time of
Ray's incarceration, Mr. Eist claims he told a reporter, but not
his superiors about Ray's "admissions." "One wonders why a
policeman would tell a reporter and not his superiors about
something so seemingly important, and why that reporter wouldn't
rush the story into print."
During the Committee hearings, Ray's testimony had been
interrupted to read Mr. Eist's claims. Ray's attorney allowed
the interruption on the condition that Ray would be allowed to
come back to complete his testimony. But when Eist appeared to
testify in person, the Committee announced that it had
"reconsidered" and would not bring Ray back to testify, a fact
over which one of the Committee staff resigned in protest. Yet,
this testimony of Mr. Eist was cited by several members of the
Committee as the primary factor leading them to conclude Ray to
be the sole murderer.
The Committee also allowed perjured testimony from Ray's former
attorney who made false claims against Ray. When asked to
substantiate his claim, he claimed he couldn't because Ray's
entire file had been "lost" after giving the file to another
attorney. The other attorney denied losing the file. But, none
of this was investigated by the Committee.
The chairman of the Committee knew but filed to mention that
Ray's former attorney had previously been involved with the
billionaire Hunt family of Texas, and had been indicted, along
with two of H. S. Hunt's sons, for obstruction of justice,
illegal wiretaps, and conspiracy charges. However, the case
against Ray's former attorney was never concluded, but held in
abeyance (for purposes that look suspiciously like strong-arming
Ray's former attorney into corroborating the official party
line). However, none of this can be proven as the Justice
Department says it has "lost" the file on this matter.
Canale, the MLK assassination prosecutor, wrote memos that verify
that all negotiations and agreements to settle the case by a
guilty plea were completed by December, 1968, prior to Ray ever
even hearing about any proposal to plead guilty, and prior to
defense having even investigated the case against Ray. The
political expediency was clear: Avoid a trial in which the
release of FBI or Memphis Police files might embarrass any
officials.
During the Committee hearings a media reporter offered Ray
$220,000 and a parole if Ray would confess to MLK's murder. This
offer was captured on tape by Ray's attorney, the transcription
of which is "eloquent proof that the prosecution had no
admissions" or confessions from Ray incriminating himself.
During G. Robert Blakey's tenure as head of the Committee, he
required all staff members to sign an agreement precluding them
from publishing any information about the King case unless the
House of Representatives or the CIA gave prior approval.
On the back of the L.E.A.A. business card was the name Randy
Rosen with a Miami address, a man who was actually Randy
Rosenson, a government informant. When Ray mentioned this to the
Committee, it "triggered a series of deceptive maneuvers designed
to keep Rosenson under wraps." Rosenson's lawyer had been G.
Wray Gill, a criminal attorney whose clientele included Carlos
Marcello. Gill had also employed David Ferrie, a prior suspect
in the JFK assassination.
The FBI had a long-running campaign against MLK. J. Edgar
Hoover's COINTELPRO (COunter INTELligence PROgram) against MLK
included Hoover having "samples of his agents' handiwork sent to
King's wife, in hopes of breaking up their marriage and weakening
his stature among blacks." A veteran FBI Agent, Arthur Murtagh,
revealed that "he was asked to steal SCLC [King's organization]
stationery and handwriting samples of top SCLC officials,
presumably to forge incriminating notes and letters."
FBI Agents sent King a letter urging King to kill himself or risk
exposure. When King would visit friends, FBI Agents would call
the Fire Department to falsely report a fire at that address to
disrupt King. The FBI ran a wiretapping operation on King 24
hours a day. The FBI put King's name "on a list of names of
Americans to be rounded up and imprisoned in the event of a
national emergency." An FBI memo states, "(censored) stated to
DeLoach that he was faced with the difficult problem of taking
steps to remove King from the National picture...."
Frank Holloman, a former FBI Agent, was in charge of the Memphis
Police and Fire Department when MLK was assassinated. The only
two black firemen stationed at the firehouse directly across the
street from the Lorraine Motel (where MLK was assassinated) were
transferred one day prior to King's assassination. Four hours
prior to the assassination, the one black detective assigned to
protecting King was also removed from the scene.
When questioned about the transfer after the assassination, one
black fireman was told it was because of unspecified threats on
his life. Holloman gave evasive, vague, unsubstantiated answers.
The other black detective, Redditt, was given similar
unsubstantiated answers. Holloman summoned Redditt to a meeting
wherein every head of every law enforcement agency was present.
"'It was like a meeting of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In this
room, just before Dr. King was murdered, were the heads and
seconds in command of I guess every law enforcement operation in
this area you could think of. I had never seen anything like it
before. The Sheriff, the Highway Patrol, Army Intelligence, the
National Guard. You name it. It was in the room.' Strangely,
though, the two police guards ordered to protect Redditt's life,
did not station themselves outside Redditt's home and stay in
radio contact with each other and Redditt, where they could have
provided some real protection. Instead, they went with Redditt
inside his home, where they could watch Redditt, but not protect
him. 'If someone threw a bomb in a window, those two officers
would just have been two more casualties. Then I really knew
something was wrong.' Three days later Redditt was ordered back
to work with no more mention of the 'contract' on him."
After the assassination, there was an inexplicable thirty minute
delay in getting the FBI into the MLK case. There has also been
no explanation why it took the FBI fourteen days to come up with
Ray's identity after he left behind his radio labeled with his ID
number, a fact that would have immediately tipped the FBI to
Ray's escapee status.
Another suspicious element linking Raoul to the FBI and the FBI
to the MLK murder is the fact that the first wave of wanted
posters identified Ray as Eric Starvo Gault, the only name by
which Raoul knew Ray.
Another fact casting suspicion is the memo from FBI Agent DeLoach
to Hoover suggesting that the FBI "quietly sponsor" a book that
would tell the "true story" of the King case, adding that he
wanted to see the bureau advise a friendly newspaperman "on a
strictly confidential basis" that Loretta Scott King and Ralph
Abernathy were "deliberately plotting to keep King's
assassination in the news by pulling the ruse of maintaining the
King murder was definitely a conspiracy, and not committed by one
man, in order to keep the money coming to Mrs. King...we can do
this without attribution to the FBI and without anyone knowing
that the information came from a wiretap." (The FBI had
maintained a wiretap a year after the assassination, despite the
Attorney General's order to end such activity in 1966, in order
to provide the bureau with ammunition to use against King's heirs
and successors.)
Baetz, a Committee investigator, threatened a witness, Spica,
with jail unless Spica cooperated by perjuring himself to support
the official party line. Spica stalled and then wore a wire to
the next meeting with Baetz. Baetz "began by saying the Select
Committee knew it couldn't sell the public 'a goofy-ass story
about a lone nut killing King....' All Spica had to do was tell
the Committee in public session" certain things to corroborate
the official party line. Spica stalled again. At the next
meeting with Baetz, "Spica handed [Baetz] a copy of the tape
[from their last conversation] and told Baetz to get lost. On
November 8, 1979 Spica was murdered when his car exploded as he
tried to start it.
A judge ordered Ray's attorney to first represent a material
witness in the King case who was ordered jailed in order to later
testify against Ray. Later, the same judge ordered the same
attorney to represent Ray, an obvious conflict of interest.
There was a hoax involving a second Mustang similar to Ray's
immediately following the King assassination designed to draw the
Memphis Police to another section of town, clearly an organized
diversionary tactic.
The courts illegally muzzled and imprisoned Grace Stephens, the
one witness who was an eyewitness to the true assassin and who
was also willing to testify that her husband was too drunk to
identify anyone. This illegal imprisonment lasted for 10 years
with no legal representation and no visitors.
[...to be continued...]
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Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 3 Num. 39
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Mexican Peso Fall Hurts You
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By Martin Mann
[From *The Spotlight*, January 9, 1995]
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Before beginning, here is an excerpt from a previously posted
"Conspiracy for the Day -- Special Edition" which went out on
or about November 4, 1993.
Lisa Fuentes, *American University* professor
C-Span II, Broadcast 10/30/93 (Taped 10/26/93)
[...]
And most troublesome is the fact that, most likely, with most
certainty, after the NAFTA treaty is passed -- if it passes,
and I'm crossing my fingers that it doesn't -- Mexico is
probably going to implement a *peso* devaluation. The *peso*
is, you know, seriously overvalued. This is, you know, one of
the issues that most people want to brush under the table and
not discuss at public hearings. But you know, the *peso* has
been overvalued for a number of years and now it's getting to
the point where there is not much flexibility about the
issue. A devaluation is imminent. And what happens in
connection to that? Well, the United States is not going to
be able to sell exports to Mexico.
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[And now, from *The Spotlight*, January 9, 1995:]
A shadowy consortium of Wall Street insiders and foreign
speculators, with private links to the highest levels of the
White House and Federal Reserve System, is skimming "billions,
most probably tens of billions of dollars" in windfall profits
from the collapse of the Mexican peso and other recent
convulsions of the financial markets, economic analysts say.
American taxpayers, still unaware that a stunning $9 billion of
their money went down the drain during Christmas week as the
Clinton administration tried (and failed) to bail out the sinking
Mexican peso, now face losses "worse than the bloodletting of the
savings and loan scandals," warned Dr. Aldo Milinkovich, a former
U.S. Treasury economist who is now a corporate strategist in New
York.
Some $6 billion of the hurried handout was disguised as a so-
called "currency swap" between the Federal Reserve and the
Mexican central bank. In addition, Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan
quietly ordered an additional $3 billion made available as an
"emergency stabilization fund" in order to save, not just the
Mexican payments system, but the controversial North American
Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), adopted barely a year ago, and now
in dire peril.
The expensive effort to halt the Mexican economy's nose-dive
didn't work. "The opponents and critics of NAFTA [among whom this
paper played a leading role] are now vindicated," admitted Dr.
Emiliano Manelli, a UN economist specializing in Latin American
studies.
With the peso having lost almost half its value during the last
nine days of December, and still falling, "dirt cheap" Mexican
goods will soon begin to flood the wide-open U.S. market --
precisely the sort of calamity the promoters of NAFTA, led by
Bill Clinton, swore would never happen, these sources warned.
But for an inner circle of well-connected financiers and currency
manipulators with behind-the-scenes access to confidential
economic information, the money market upheavals of recent months
represent "the biggest get-rich-quick bonanza anyone can
remember," says another respected financial analyst who, having
left Wall Street's leading statistical service this year to join
a major investment bank, asked not to be quoted by name.
"Just as predicted, this fraudulent free trade pact will end up
hurting the workers, taxpayers and savings depositors of both the
U.S. and Mexico," concluded Dr. Manelli.
The ancient Romans asked: *Cui bono*? That is, who profits? Who
gets the tax dollars? Not the peasants on either side of the
border. Your tax dollars went to bail out the major investors;
those with the greatest "exposure" when the peso tumbled, to
wit: Citicorp, BankAmerica, Chase Manhattan Corp., Chemical
Banking Corp., NationsBank Corp. and Bank of Boston Corp.
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GLOBAL 2000: EARTH FIRST! FOR THE "MASTER RACE"
My transcript of a recent episode of a public access show,
originating in Chicago, called "Broadsides". This episode
featured independent researcher Sherman Skolnick, and author Mark
Sato. Note that in the following I neither necessarily agree nor
disagree with some or all of the views expressed.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
O.K. Haven't some in that field [genetics], have said that the
different races are better off to have a larger [gene] pool,
because the, for example the inbreeding of the British royal
family has caused a lot of problems that not always gets
published. That insanity grows in their family and the present
royal family...
MARK SATO:
Quite true. Quite true, yes.
SKOLNICK:
..has got some of their members "tucked away" someplace. And it
was only one of the grocery magazines that pointed out that Queen
Elizabeth (whatever her name is, over there) has got two cousins
who uh, she insisted that they change their name in the "nut
house" because... In other words, insanity goes from inbreeding.
So having a large pool of genes, in the view of some that know
about genetics, is actually better!
SATO:
Yes. That's true. But... Uh and these people are aware of that!
These...
SKOLNICK:
So why could they want to build a "master race"?
SATO:
Well, they... You see, they believe that despite the fact that
having a *variety* of genes in the gene pool is very good, they
still would like to get rid of a lot of people. Because there's
just "too many" people.
Now you mentioned the royal family. Let me give ya a quote from
Prince Phillip, who was the Duke of Edinburgh. And he favored
animals over people! And what he said was, "Every new acre
brought into cultivation" (that is, under farming) "means another
acre denied to wild species." In other words, he was against it.
He was against, he was against more farming. He wanted there to
be more wildlife, because he didn't like people. So...
SKOLNICK:
O.K. But the point is, though, Hitler and what he stood for was
promoting eugenics. In other words, he was more or less "pruning
out" people. And the ones he didn't want -- the Jews, the
gypsies, invalids, or whatever -- he sent 'em to concentration
camp. Those that could work, he worked 'em to death. And the
other ones died. And historical revisionists would have you
believe that they didn't die because they were gassed (although I
think that they were)... But in any case, we call that...
SATO:
They were just... No matter how they did it, they exterminated a
lot of people. They did do that.
SKOLNICK:
Yeah, right. In other words, millions of people disappeared.
But notice the problem here: the Catholic church promotes uh,
"full speed ahead" on population. Which, it "bugs" me in a way.
Because um, Pope John Paul I, according to the book by David
Yallop called *In God's Name*, John Paul I was gonna revise their
birth control opposition in that, to spawn children that you
cannot feed is itself a sin. And to that extent they were gonna
modify the Catholic church's program. Because you know, when the
Pope comes visiting to the western hemisphere, he travels through
all these heavily Catholic countries -- Mexico, Central America,
South America -- and in so many words he says, "Full speed
ahead." You know, "Manufacture as many children as you can!"
Because he's against, you know, birth control. And the result is,
that their only cash crop is *dope*. And so, I mean, nobody
candidly comes right out in front and says, "Well. Everything
south of the United States is based on dope." They don't grow
anything that's that worthwhile other than, you know, I mean
marijuana, the uh, and so on.
What about that? Is there some contradiction between what the
Pope is doing and what the eugenics people are doing? I mean
what, what's...
SATO:
Of course there's a dichotomy.
SKOLNICK:
Yeah, well what about it? What's a dichotomy?
SATO:
The division. In other words, on one side you have people who
want to get rid of most of the people on the face of the earth.
And on the other hand you have people who want there to be *more*
people on earth. And in the case of the Vatican, they would like
there to be more people...
SKOLNICK:
More Catholics!
SATO:
..because, it means more Catholics! More money in the plate!
SKOLNICK:
O.K. but notice: David [Yallop] -- His book came out in 1983 and
it seems to be well-documented. And he took the position that,
after 33 days, they poisoned John Paul I because of his policies.
And he [Yallop] proved that there *was* such a policy and that's
why they killed him [John Paul I]. Of course, the Michael Sindona
scandal, the Mafia and the Vatican Bank had somethin' to do with
the death of John Paul I. But the thesis of his book is that they
poisoned him after 33 days as the Pope because he wanted to
modify the uh, the birth control opposition of the Catholic
church.
Listen. The Catholic church is not noted for being the greatest,
clever people of the 20th century! I mean it was only up until
1806 that you could be thrown out of the church for alleging that
the earth was not flat.
SATO:
It's not?
SKOLNICK:
I mean... Well, all right. In other words, there *was* the flat
earth committee.
Now up 'til 1806, the Catholic church was the flat earth
committee. You could be expro... Not expropriated, but... What's
the word?
SATO:
Excommunicated.
SKOLNICK:
Excommunicated or re-communicated or *whatever*, for saying that
the world is round!
So in other words, there is a dichotomy. You're saying that
there's some that wanted to limit the population, and the others
wanted uncontrolled population.
SATO:
Right. Right. But the people who want to control population --
they just think that there's too many people and they're sucking
up all the earth's resources.
SKOLNICK:
And the Hitler movement was part of that?
SATO:
They were part of it.
Now. And of course, the whole idea was sponsored by the U.S. and
British bankers, the Harriman family being foremost. One of their
progeny, George Herbert Walker Bush, is *also* a population
control freak. Despite...
SKOLNICK:
Is he?
SATO:
Oh yeah. Despite... He's one of the leading promoters of
population control legislation...
SKOLNICK:
Well later in this program we're gonna discuss what *he* did to
"control" population. I mean, something bloody, brutal, and...
SATO:
But you know, getting back to the Nazis. Just in case people
think that the Nazis were *only* trying to get rid of what *they*
considered to be people who were infirm or less than "genetically
whole". A Berlin attorney named Ludwig Fluugen(sp?) said that
"great talent is associated with defects or weaknesses in other
organs. I call these persons, 'superiority afflicted'." In other
words, they're afflicted with superiority! Not with
*in*feriority.
SKOLNICK:
Well under Hitler's program, a lot of those that were hunchbacks
or cripples, whatever, would've been eliminated. And throughout
history, some of the great scientists were uh, "irregulars". In
other words (you know what I mean), they were either too short or
they limped or they had a hunchback. Or whatever. But under
Hitler...
SATO:
And in addition...
SKOLNICK:
Under Hitler's program they would've had only blonde, 6-foot high
people.
SATO:
But that wasn't really the only real problem, Sherman. The real
problem was that these people were *intellectually* superior, and
therefore, able to have great influence in the community. They
didn't want those people around, telling people, "Hey. These
Nazis are out of their minds!" *That* was one of the big
problems.
SKOLNICK:
So you're saying that the 6-foot high, blonde-haired, teutonic
German types, that were found dead on so many battlefields in the
Second World War, were not the intelligentsia, the very clever
types?
SATO:
Well they got rid of them at home! *Before* they ever got to the
battlefield. They had... Sherman, that's very common in many
dictatorships, where the dictator has to get rid of the
intelligentsia, because they're the only ones who can influence
the people against the dictatorship!
SKOLNICK:
All right, so what was Hitler's point? What was Hitler trying to
do: weed out the thing and make a "master race"?
SATO:
Well... Yeah.
SKOLNICK:
Well what... This is, this is gonna fall hard on some people:
isn't that the same point that the FBI does? The FBI had a
program, which was brought out...
SATO:
It's a "pogrom", Sherman.
SKOLNICK:
Yeah! It was brought out by an FBI agent named Freedman (maybe he
was the only Jew in the FBI), but he pointed out that his
supervisors have more or less reached the conclusion -- he
testified before Congress -- that blacks are "inferior" and
therefore, even if they get elected, they should be "framed",
removed from office by "frame ups", and if that didn't work, the
implication was to "knock 'em off"! Poison them, kill them.
So in other words, there are Nazi mentalities in the United
States.
SATO:
Yeah, that's getting a little ahead of us. Yeah. But that's
essentially correct.
SKOLNICK:
In other words, the [unclear] mentioned theory of the FBI higher-
ups is on this same Nazi principle, right? [Unclear] means like,
"neanderthal". In other words, higher-ups in the FBI...
SATO:
[Unclear]
SKOLNICK:
Yeah. In other words, the FBI theory is that the Afro-Americans
are "inferior", they're neanderthals, they don't belong here, and
they shouldn't be in office. And therefore, "frame" 'em, jail
'em, or if necessary, poison them.
SATO:
That's the same philosophy of...
SKOLNICK:
It's a Hitler philosophy!
SATO:
..of the Hitler philosophy, but *also* of the people who are
promoting population control today!
[...to be continued...]
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GLOBAL 2000: EARTH FIRST! FOR THE "MASTER RACE"
My transcript of a recent episode of a public access show,
originating in Chicago, called "Broadsides". This episode
featured independent researcher Sherman Skolnick, and author Mark
Sato. Note that in the following I neither necessarily agree nor
disagree with some or all of the views expressed.
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[...continued...]
MARK SATO [continues]:
And to give you an example: after the Nazis kind of "went
away"...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well that's your theory that they went away.
SATO:
Well...
SKOLNICK:
I don't think they went away at all.
SATO:
Well, they were...
SKOLNICK:
I think they're still here!
SATO:
..they were, allegedly, defeated.
But, of course, they *didn't* go away, precisely because the
people who sponsored the idea of eugenics didn't go away.
SKOLNICK:
..a eugenics society in the United States promoting this?
SATO:
By and large, the idea of eugenics has floated over to the
environmental people.
SKOLNICK:
Really?
SATO:
Pollution control and...
SKOLNICK:
Pollution's about the same thing?
SATO:
Yeah. Pollution control means population control, because the
more people you have the more pollution you have, and the more
danger we all face because there's "too many" people on the face
of the earth!
SKOLNICK:
And the aristocracy, a few years ago, through one of their secret
society meetings -- the Bilderbergs or Trilateral Commission,
whatever -- say, "Hey. All you in the aristocracy! Promote
environmental. We gotta have..."
Where'd they have their conference? In Brazil or something? They
had some big conference: "Promote the Environment".
SATO:
Just recently they had the Cairo Conference.
SKOLNICK:
O.K. So, but what you're saying is, this is just another word for
eugenics,
SATO:
That's right.
SKOLNICK:
..to "weed out" what they feel are "inferior" people.
SATO:
Now most of the environmentalists are, consider themselves
liberal. And they would be horrified of this idea that you would
*pick* the, for the most part, the people of color to get rid of
because there's "too many" people on the face of the earth. But
that, by and large, is what they *really* are saying, despite
their perhaps, ignorance...
SKOLNICK:
Well they have the media on their side.
SATO:
..the real meaning of their movement.
SKOLNICK:
I mean, they have the media on their side. Because, I mean, who
do ya see as what I call "anchor faces", anchor people? "Blonde-
haired dummies", as I call 'em. With a few token Oriental-
Americans and a few... Like Linda Yu, over here, who's connected
with the Chinese royal family...
SATO:
Well they are indeed, Sherman, they are indeed tokens. Because
the modern science... I don't really wanna call it "science". But
the modern philosophy of eugenics is, was fathered by Bertrand
Russell.
SKOLNICK:
What about him?
SATO:
Well Bertrand Russell, who was a British (and I hesitate to use
the word "philosophy")...
SKOLNICK:
I thought he was for peace? That's the only time I heard of
Bertrand Russell, I heard he was...
SATO:
Well... Bertrand Russell was *for* peace -- as in, "rest in
peace" -- for most of the people of the earth. He said, "The
white population of the world will soon cease to increase. The
asiatic races will be longer, and the negroes still longer,
before their birth rate falls sufficiently to make their numbers
stable without help of war and pestilence." And of course, he
*did* mean to impose war and pestilence on the asians and the,
what he called "negroes". "Until that happens, the benefits aimed
at by socialism can only be partially realized." (He was a
socialist.) "And the less prolific races will have to defend
themselves" -- Wait a minute -- "will have to defend themselves
by methods which are disgusting, even if they are necessary."
SKOLNICK:
I... He either mis-used the term socialism, in applying to
himself... But there is a certain...
SATO:
Never mind, Sherman. That's a *whole* different thing. Let's not
get off on that tangent. Don't worry about... Don't worry about
Mr. Russell's mis-using the word, because he wants to mis-use the
entire planet! So don't worry about that little item.
SKOLNICK:
So, in other words, he was for "peace" from the standpoint of
"rest in peace". Well all right.
SATO:
Right. Now the progress of Mr. Russell's ideas wound up in a
report called "Global 2000".
SKOLNICK:
Which is the title of this show.
SATO:
Which is the title of this show. This big report, which was
authored under the auspices of the Jimmy Carter administration.
And of course, he is running around the world promoting the
ideals of Global 2000.
SKOLNICK:
I thought he was a born-again something.
SATO:
Well... That's what he says. But anyway...
SKOLNICK:
He's evidently not a born-again geneticist.
SATO:
..here comes the number you were looking for, Sherman. "Global
2000 proposes that the population of the earth be lowered to 2
billion." Now of course...
SKOLNICK:
By what means?
SATO:
Well they don't say, exactly. But they want to lower it [to] 2
billion by the year 2000! That's why the report's called "Global
2000". There's 5.6 billion people on the face of the planet right
now. Which means that they're gonna have to get rid of 3.6
billion people!
SKOLNICK:
Well there's two ways you can do it.
SATO:
In six years!
SKOLNICK:
Well, no. There's two ways: they can start a nuclear war which
endeavors to "knock off" a lot of people. I don't know where the
aristocracy is gonna go; they're gonna go off in a missile to the
moon or something.
SATO:
Well, Sherman...
[...contention for who will speak...]
Wait, wait. Before you go on! You shoot these things off, and
then let me get a chance to...
SKOLNICK:
Six years! They want to "knock off" that many...
SATO:
They want to "knock off" that many people. But guess who says
that it's a great way to do it?! What you just said, atomic war
-- Robert S. McNamara, the former head of the World Bank, says
that's, you know, "Nuclear war is great."
SKOLNICK:
He's not a dummy. He was among what they called the "Wiz Kids"...
SATO:
Of course he's not a dummy! And he knows what he's talking about!
He knows how to wipe people off the face of the earth with a
bunch of nuclear weapons. And he'd like to do it.
SKOLNICK:
Well. I don't...
SATO:
Because he says that the single biggest obstacle to progress on
this planet is that there are "too many" people in the developing
countries. So we can't have progress on the rest of the planet
unless those people get "jettisoned" off the planet!
SKOLNICK:
O.K. But let me understand this. In what way does the eugenics
differ from genocide?
SATO:
It doesn't!
SKOLNICK:
It's about the same thing.
SATO:
It's the same thing!
SKOLNICK:
In other words, it should be "eugenics/genocide".
SATO:
Genocide. And in a way, it's even more than genocide. It's like
"geneticide" because they want to kill the bad genes...
SKOLNICK:
You know, it's very odd. Because the ultra-right wing does a very
odd thing: they use their newspapers to fight any treaty that has
to do with genocide. And they twist it out of shape and says,
"Well it's *bad* for the people."
SATO:
Well that's because the "Genocide Treaty", as it's called, is
really not about genocide.
SKOLNICK:
Yeah, O.K.
SATO:
That's a misnomer. It really doesn't apply.
SKOLNICK:
But in other words, these eugenics, this genocide -- who is it
directed against? Against people of color?
SATO:
It's directed *mostly* at people of color. But it's really, not
really necessarily a racial thing. It's more of a class thing.
Let me give you an example.
SKOLNICK:
A class thing.
SATO:
Let me give you an example.
In December of '74, there was a National Security Study
Memorandum, number 200, which was authored by Henry Kissinger --
formerly known as "Heinz" Kissinger, because he's actually a
German. A German *zafardi*(?), by the way. And it was called,
"The Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for U.S.
Security and Overseas Interests." And it was about the national
security of the United States.
Now understand: whenever somebody says, "national security",
they're talking a treasonous thing. Because whenever people talk
about "national security" of the United States, they're saying,
"*We* want to discuss something that is so horrendous that nobody
in their right minds would discuss it..."
SKOLNICK:
By the way, you brought up one angle of the Second World War, the
European angle, the Holocaust and so on...
SATO:
Wait, wait, wait. Before you go back...
SKOLNICK:
And that was genocide.
SATO:
Right. Before you go back, let me finish this, let me finish
this.
This National Security Memorandum expressed the fear that
population growth in the Third World "will threaten U.S.
strategic raw material supplies." In other words, too many
people, say, in certain countries, in Latin America, would
*threaten* the ability of the United States to access those
strategic raw materials.
Now. What right we have to dictate how we get our strategic raw
materials is of a little bit of interest. But anyway, the
countries that Kissinger targeted for this "problem" of
overpopulation were India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nigeria, Mexico,
Indonesia, Brazil, the Philippines, Thailand, Egypt, Turkey,
Ethiopia, and Columbia. He wanted "to inhibit the wishful
thinking that economic development will solve the problem of
overpopulation." In other words, there is *no* economic
development that would help; we must get *rid* of the people.
[...to be continued...]
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GLOBAL 2000: EARTH FIRST! FOR THE "MASTER RACE"
My transcript of a recent episode of a public access show,
originating in Chicago, called "Broadsides". This episode
featured independent researcher Sherman Skolnick, and author Mark
Sato. Note that in the following I neither necessarily agree nor
disagree with some or all of the views expressed.
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[...continued...]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
But come back to my point. The Second World War, in... to put it
in its simplest form, was a form of genocide...
MARK SATO:
That's correct.
SKOLNICK:
..directed against the, whatever you wanna call 'em, the
"unwanted" of Europe...
SATO:
Right.
SKOLNICK:
..And, you know, it is now becoming evident, fifty years, you
know, after the Second World War, that 6 months before they
dropped their genocide bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, 6 months
before that, Emperor Hirohito was already negotiating through
Switzerland to end the war. And our side didn't want to end the
war!
So all this hoopla that they've made in the "history" books that
"we dropped the atomic bomb because the Japanese were gonna fight
to the death and we were gonna lose a million troops storming
their homeland" -- we Americans rejected a genuine effort to end
the war...
SATO:
Now don't say "we Americans". The *elite* who were controlling...
SKOLNICK:
Yeah, right. That doesn't include the rest of us...
SATO:
That's right.
SKOLNICK:
..that were alive at the time.
SATO:
We had no say...
SKOLNICK:
The common people.
Yeah, you're right. But the point is, notice the genocide
application: they *had* the atomic bomb early enough; they
could've dropped it on Hitler! On Germany. They didn't do it.
See, 'cause that didn't fit their genocide. They dropped it on
the people of color -- which would be the Japanese. And you know,
you know what...
To this day, they don't talk about Nagasaki. I mean, Hiroshima --
they dropped *another* bomb on Nagasaki!
I mean, so we now know, fifty years later, it was unnecessary.
They could've ended the war. And all this stuff in the "history"
books, that *that* ended the war, is false.
SATO:
That is correct.
SKOLNICK:
In other words, it was strictly genocide. Why? Because the
burgeoning population of the eastern world, the Japanese, was
disturbing the ultra-rich of this country in some way. I mean,
they were wanting to broaden out their markets, they needed oil,
this and that. We strangled 'em, and after we strangled 'em on
metal and oil, they rose up and they bombed Pearl Harbor -- which
was a natural thing! I mean, you strangle somebody, he's gonna
resist, or "croak"!
[CN -- Not to say, by any means, that the Japanese were all
angels during WWII. In my view, Skolnick is essentially correct.
However another motive for the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
was that these politicians and these "scientists" had a new toy
that they were dying to try out. Also, Skolnick's view of the so-
called "strangling" of Japan by the U.S. is one-sided: Japan was
also an imperialist power, in its turn "strangling" other
nations.]
And so the "history" books -- they've left some things out.
They've left out the genocide angle in all this.
SATO:
Right. And so, what your example really points up is that Robert
McNamara's insistence that nuclear war is a "good" way to get rid
of people is a... we should take that very seriously because he
is from the same group of people who would be *quite* willing to
bomb the crap out of everybody on the face of the planet, simply
because they need to get rid of some people!
And that's the *only* reason. That's all the reason they need.
SKOLNICK:
Listen. Is the bottom line, is it your view from researching all
this, that these devils really and seriously, in the remaining
few years of the 20th century, would do this "Global 2000" and
want to get rid of "x" number of people?
SATO:
Sure.
SKOLNICK:
How?
SATO:
By nuclear war. By famine. By disease -- AIDS is one of the ways
in which they have decided to get rid of a lot of people.
SKOLNICK:
Do I gather that they have "written off" Africa as undesireable?
SATO:
That's what I just said: AIDS is one of the ways in which they're
gonna try and get rid of people. And that... AIDS is a weapon
that has been pointed...
SKOLNICK:
Most at Africa.
SATO:
..most dreadfully, at Africa. Yes.
SKOLNICK:
Yeah they talk about these other famines caused by civil wars.
But the main thing that's killing off Africa is AIDS. And it's
not from green monkeys...
SATO:
No, we engineered AIDS in this country.
SKOLNICK:
At Fort Meade, or wherever.
SATO:
That's right. We engineered AIDS: both HIV-I and HIV-II...
SKOLNICK:
In Maryland. That was the mad doctors of...
SATO:
..were engineered in this country.
SKOLNICK:
..the Central Intelligence Agency, at least *I* believe, that
created AIDS. And I wouldn't say it was a thing that got out of
control. It may have been intentional...
SATO:
No, it wasn't a thing that got out of control. It was
intentionally introduced into Africa, HIV-II, was intentionally
introduced into Africa for the purpose of wiping them out!
*Because*, [sarcastically] <>
SKOLNICK:
O.K. But call...
SATO:
And they threaten our "national security" interests.
SKOLNICK:
You were the one that did a big research project that we used on
an earlier program, maybe a year or more ago, about AIDS, that
basically it -- since the homosexuals were considered "not
desireable" for the Army, I mean, [sarcastically] <>
SATO:
That's right. Well, one more "national security" risk. They were
considered a "national security" risk. And therefore...
SKOLNICK:
So, in other words...
SATO:
..it was allowed to get rid of... HIV-I was introduced...
SKOLNICK:
So...
SATO:
..into the homosexual community.
SKOLNICK:
..AIDS, in its simplest form, is a genocide attack on certain
categories...
SATO:
There is no question about it.
SKOLNICK:
But they allege (if you believe the media at all) that it is
targeting heterosexuals in some way or another. So it...
SATO:
Well, O.K.
SKOLNICK:
..it, the "mad doctor" thing got out of hand.
SATO:
No, no, no.
SKOLNICK:
..they intended it to "wipe out" the gay community.
SATO:
No, no. It didn't -- yes, wipe 'em out. But also...
SKOLNICK:
>From a national...
SATO:
..You see...
SKOLNICK:
..security standpoint: "They're not suitable to be in the Army
-- get rid of 'em! Kill 'em all!"
SATO:
You see, it *has* gone into the heterosexual population. But
*how* has it gone into the heterosexual population?
One of the other *key* groups that HIV-I is attacking are
intravenous drug users. They were also a target.
SKOLNICK:
So there's a contradiction, a dichotomy there. 'Cause there is
the CIA and the aristocracy bringing *in* the dope. Then after
they get 'em hooked on dope, you're saying, "Well. Now we're
gonna kill 'em!" [laughs]
SATO:
There will *always* be a market for dope.
SKOLNICK:
There's a contradiction there!
SATO:
No, no. There will always be a market for dope. They're not
worried about that, one little bit.
So they'd just as soon kill them off, and...
SKOLNICK:
This very bizarre thought occurred to me. I don't know how it's
gonna fly, but just let me try to fly it: Hitler, in its simplest
form, was more fair on the genocide thing than *these* guys. He
didn't start with the biological thing. I mean, he rounded up the
"undesireables", put 'em in concentration camps -- uh, next to
I.G. Farben's facilities for artificial gasoline and all that
kind of stuff.
SATO:
..Rockefeller...
SKOLNICK:
Yeah! And worked 'em to death, and killed off those that he
didn't work to death.
In some way he was more (what is the word?)... the word "fair"
isn't it. He was more "straight in front" [i.e. "up front"].
*Now* they're saying, "Oh! This strange disease 'showed up'
that's killing the people." And we don't have a devil! We can't
point the [unclear] and says, "Hey! That's where it's comin'
from." You see what I'm saying? In other words, Hitler was a
known devil. Where are the known devils? Where *is* the
Euthanasia Society? Where is the Eugenics Society? What's their
address? Do ya know it?
SATO:
They're in the Chase Manhattan Bank.
SKOLNICK:
Well that's the, that's the proper place for them to be! [laughs]
SATO:
It's largely, largely funded by the Rockefeller Foundation and
other, similar foundations set up by the super-rich.
SKOLNICK:
In other words, they're not prepared to come right out in front
and say, "Hey. We're against these people. We set off this
epidemic bomb, this AIDS thing. We're gonna get rid of all these
people. And if ya don't leave, we're gonna ship ya to some
godforsaken island in the Pacific and starve ya to death."
[laughs]
In other words... I don't mean to laugh or joke, but in other
words, the entire thing is, is evil. And what? And they're
promoting books and stuff that they're gonna work the population
down, or...
SATO:
Well, of course. Yeah. There's a lot of different ways that...
SKOLNICK:
..line 'em up and machine gun 'em to death.
SATO:
There's a lot of different ways that they're subtly killing
people, which don't appear to be genocidal. I mean, usually when
people think of genocidal things, they usually think of war
and...
SKOLNICK:
So that the introduction...
SATO:
At least *purposeful* genocide.
[...to be continued...]
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GLOBAL 2000: EARTH FIRST! FOR THE "MASTER RACE"
My transcript of a recent episode of a public access show,
originating in Chicago, called "Broadsides". This episode
featured independent researcher Sherman Skolnick, and author Mark
Sato. Note that in the following I neither necessarily agree nor
disagree with some or all of the views expressed.
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[...continued...]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
All right. So that the ultra-rich, then, have introduced dope, on
a big scale, into the United States. Why? First of all, they want
to enrich themselves. But secondly, they have genocide in mind,
right?
MARK SATO:
That's right.
SKOLNICK:
Because I...
SATO:
To give you an example: they are perfectly aware that narcotic
drug use is very dangerous. Thirty-one percent of all New Yorkers
who were murdered last year were murdered because of drug use!
SKOLNICK:
Do you believe it's a...
SATO:
So it's a very dangerous thing -- not only that they're using
drugs, but also it tends to make them become dead. I mean...
SKOLNICK:
But tell me if this generality is suitable: that sometimes the
(what is the word?), some of the better-educated people in the
black community somehow get onto the drugs. Is that a generality
that makes any sense?
SATO:
Well it makes sense...
SKOLNICK:
..way to get rid of 'em.
SATO:
Well, here. Here's an interesting question: why is it that these
drug dealers, whose (at the lowest level, anyway), whose main
idea is, "I wanna make some money!" All right? "I wanna make some
money, dealing drugs." *Why* do they go to the poorest
communities to try and make money? Does that make sense?
SKOLNICK:
No, they're not sellin' it there. They're sellin' it to
suburbanites...
SATO:
Well then, how...
SKOLNICK:
..who come to a certain corner.
SATO:
Sherman, now they are, finally. They are now. But what you just
said before -- "They go into a black neighborhood and they sell."
SKOLNICK:
To kill 'em.
SATO:
*Why* would a profit-seeking entrepreneur, drug dealer, want to
go into the *poorest* neighborhoods -- a black neighborhood, an
hispanic neighborhood -- and sell drugs!? That doesn't make a
whole lot of sense, does it? *Unless* their philosophy is exactly
like the British was, back when they introduced opium into China
for the purpose of...
SKOLNICK:
To subdue 'em.
SATO:
..for the purpose, not necessarily of profit -- although they
*did* make a profit, because they rolled over the Chinese economy
-- but it was to control the Chinese.
It is that...
SKOLNICK:
Through the opium dens...
SATO:
It is that purpose which is causing the introduction, wholesale,
for this century, into the black communities and hispanic
communities of narcotic drugs. That's what *I* see it as. It is a
form of eugenics. It is a form of getting rid of people,
purposely, using narcotics *as* *a* *weapon*.
SKOLNICK:
What you're saying, which is borne out by the census reports...
And that there seems to be an *attack* on black males between the
age of, what? Fifteen to thirty-two?
SATO:
Go younger: as soon as they get out of the womb -- *if* they come
out of the womb -- from that time, they are targets.
SKOLNICK:
What bothers me is, that occasionally the media tells you the
truth, but not in a proper context. For example, they interview
some people... They interviewed some kids in Roseland that were
eleven years old, twelve years old, in this recent flare-up there
[i.e., circa November, 1994, the story of the eleven year old
alleged gunman who, in turn, was murdered in Chicago]. And some
of these young people said, "I..." (in so many words), "I live
from day to day. And I don't know if I'll get killed on the way
to school or..." In other words, they're actually...
SATO:
Always at risk.
SKOLNICK:
Yeah. They're always at risk. As if...
But you see the problem is, the media has you believe that it's
just another black causing the risk, when it's the introduction
of dope into the black community that's causing the genocide.
SATO:
*And*, along with the introduction of guns -- which always
follows the drugs. And so you have this lethal combination of
drugs and guns which is introduced into the community.
SKOLNICK:
But in other words, is the thesis of your research that the
United States has taken over where Hitler left off?
SATO:
Not the United States, necessarily.
SKOLNICK:
Is it the American aristocracy?
SATO:
Yes. The American and the British aristocracy, which has taken
this over.
SKOLNICK:
Who *have* no country. I mean, their country...
SATO:
Their "country" is *money*. That's their "country".
SKOLNICK:
Well now notice this (which I don't think this is a digression),
but in this recent Gulf War there was something about that that
really bothered me. The media played it up and... First of all,
the media was forbidden to ever show bodies. So all ya saw were
their tanks blown up on highways, their trucks and all that. But
you never... You weren't allowed to see any bodies! You couldn't
have any wire service, any "photo pool" or whatever, photograph
bodies and show *you* that on the evening "news".
SATO:
"Nobody died."
SKOLNICK:
Well wait a minute! Something happened there...
SATO:
It was a "wonderful" war.
SKOLNICK:
..Something happened there which, there was a documentary -- but
it was only shown in one place in Chicago. And I think our
moderator [Cliff Kelley] saw it.
At the close of this short war, our side killed 100,000 young
Iraqis under a flag of surrender.
Hey. I consider myself a good American. I've lived in Chicago all
my life... uh, I'm not proud of this. With the yellow ribbons and
the marching, and victory parades.
And some of the pilots said, "It was like shooting fish in a
barrel!"
There's only one other time in all of history when one side
killed the other side under a flag of surrender, and that was in
the Battle of the Bulge during the Second World War. And the
German army, in a moment of desperation, killed about 60 or 70
Americans with their hands up...
SATO:
So we got that beat, don't we?
SKOLNICK:
*One-hundred* *thousand*! And most Americans don't know about it.
When I mention this, they says, "Has it been on the evening
'news'?" I says, "No. It's not allowed!"
Imagine. 100,000 Iraqis, under a flag of surrender, were
slaughtered.
SATO:
And of course, that's on *top* of the hundreds of thousands, the
millions, who were killed during the Iran-Iraq War of the '80s,
which lasted for nine years.
SKOLNICK:
And we *now* understand...
SATO:
Which was *our* provocation and the provocation of the Israeli
Mossad.
SKOLNICK:
And we now understand (fifty years later) that the great atomic
bomb destruction of Japan was unnecessary. The Hiro... Hirohito
wanted peace through Switzerland, six months before. We rejected
it. So I mean, there's been genocide going on again and again and
again.
SATO:
Right. And it's going on right now in Africa...
SKOLNICK:
The AIDS thing.
SATO:
Not just the AIDS thing, but all the, the wars of attrition, the
famine, and the disease that's going on right now. The war in
Rwanda has cost 500,000 dead. Upwards of 500,000.
SKOLNICK:
By the way...
SATO:
*Plus* the ones who are still dying.
SKOLNICK:
I don't wanna go into the whole Rwanda thing. But the thing that
the press never mentions about Rwanda is that the French
colonialists, the ones that, over the decades, instigated the
"tribal" thing... Notice: French troops came in there...
[CN -- Skolnick does not expand on this reference. I have as my
source a local radio show of good credibility, "News From
Neptune", that the two warring tribes in Rwanda were created
arbitrarily by the French colonialists, during their occupation.
In other words, the two "tribes" that were slaughtering each
other were an artificial creation. I forget how exactly the
French divided them; it may have been according to height.]
SATO:
But the British, the British intelligence knocked the plane...
SKOLNICK:
Yeah.
SATO:
..out of the air. Um, oh gosh. I'm gonna have to...
SKOLNICK:
With the two presidents that died.
SATO:
Yeah. Juvenal [unclear] was assassinated in a plane crash which
was arranged by British intelligence for the purpose of starting
this war!
[CN -- The slaughter in Rwanda began after a plane, carrying the
leaders of the two "tribes", crashed. Sato (LaRouche says this
also) is saying that the plane was sabotaged in order to
instigate the subsequent war and horrible slaughter.
By the way, you may be wondering: Why didn't those slaughtered
Rwandans defend themselves? Answer: They had no guns.]
SKOLNICK:
Now the right wing -- to their credit, at the moment -- from
their paper [CN -- Uh-oh, could Skolnick perhaps mean *The
Spotlight*?] (which I don't always agree with their politics)
have been playing up that there's something odd going on in
*this* *country*. That we're facing, possibly, martial law.
By the way, I once addressed a political science class at
Northeastern Illinois... At DeKalb. Northern Illinois University
[CN -- My alma mater]. And guess how they spelled "martial law"?
SATO:
Never mind.
SKOLNICK:
They didn't know how to spell it.
But the point is, what are all these foreign troops doing on
American soil now? In other words, are they planning some
genocide against we, more common Americans? And who do they have
in mind?
SATO:
I think that relates to the questions that were asked soldiers.
In May of this year, they asked American GIs, this year [1994],
whether they would *shoot* Americans, under certain given
conditions.
[...to be continued...]
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GLOBAL 2000: EARTH FIRST! FOR THE "MASTER RACE"
My transcript of a recent episode of a public access show,
originating in Chicago, called "Broadsides". This episode
featured independent researcher Sherman Skolnick, and author Mark
Sato. Note that in the following I neither necessarily agree nor
disagree with some or all of the views expressed.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And so they were disqualified. And the ones that said, "Yes"...
MARK SATO:
Well...
SKOLNICK:
..proceeded to the next step in the project?
SATO:
..Well, no. Obviously they have a problem. Especially if...
SKOLNICK:
*Who* has a problem?
SATO:
GIs. If they are sent into a... Let's say they're sent into an
African-American community and they're told, "This community is
out of control. Go in there and impose martial law. And if
anybody moves, shoot 'em."
Now there's quite a large minority of the GIs, in this country,
who are African-American. Now...
SKOLNICK:
They're trying to get 'em out! They're trying to whittle them
down, out of the army!
SATO:
Now, now, now, Sherman. Nevertheless -- Hey. They're not gonna
whittle 'em down in six years, Sherman. There's gonna be plenty
of 'em in the army at the time at which they're going to promote
and provoke problems in African-American communities and send
troops in there for the purpose of gunning down as many people as
they can.
SKOLNICK:
Well, notice this...
SATO:
O.K.? Wait a minute, Sherman!
And so, when they ask black GIs, "Will you shoot Americans?",
they really know that, you know, anybody who's got half a brain
understands what the question really means. It means, "Will I
shoot my brother, in his own community, in his doorway?" That's
what it really means.
SKOLNICK:
But notice: some of us view the Vietnam War in very cynical
terms. In the '60s, from all these civil rights marches [by] Dr.
King and others, there were rising expectations...
SATO:
By the way, Sherman. Before you get into that, I'd just like to
make one very important point about these African-American GIs
*in* a situation in which they would be required (unless they
wanted to be hung) to shoot their brothers -- and that is that,
the situation in Roseland that you mentioned has caused the FBI
to go into the Roseland community, to be, to mingle with the
police...
SKOLNICK:
The gestapo!
SATO:
Yeah, the gestapo.
..to mingle with the police. And this is a first strike, in the
black communities in Chicago, to start provoking the African-
American [unclear] into...
SKOLNICK:
Federal police.
SATO:
Wait a minute. Sherman. Quiet.
..into a situation in which there will be the requirement that
American GIs, and black GIs, be sent into this community for the
distinct purpose of wiping out their brothers!
SKOLNICK:
On the excuse that there's...
SATO:
..there's trouble.
SKOLNICK:
There's dope that the CIA brought in.
SATO:
There's dope, there's guns, which has been brought in by the
British and American...
SKOLNICK:
All right. But notice this genocide problem, that this is an
ongoing thing.
During the Vietnam War, the black population of the United States
was eleven-and-a-half percent. But they constituted twenty-six
percent of those that were in the jungles in Vietnam. Blacks.
People of color.
Now what was the problem at that time, and from a cynical
standpoint? Dr. King and others, because of the marching, was
getting the blacks with rising expectation: equal employment,
"they're gonna have a house", "they're gonna have a job", and so
on. And how did LBJ [President Johnson] deal with this? With the
body bags. He sent 'em over there to be slaughtered! That's how
he dealt with their rising expectations.
*And*, here's the "national security" question, the so-called.
When Dr. King, in April of '67 made a speech, what'd he say? He
says, "*I* am going to go to Vietnam to tell black GIs not to
slaughter yellow-skinned people in somebody else's civil war." So
he was implying the genocide angle right there. And of course, a
year to the day, they slaughtered him.
SATO:
Sherman...
SKOLNICK:
On "national security" reasons!
SATO:
Sherman, you make, you made an even *more* important point at the
outset: that is...
SKOLNICK:
..yellow people...
SATO:
No, no, no.
..that King was trying to hold out hope for economic development
of the African-American communities. *That* is *verboten*. You
cannot do that.
What'd they say in this National Security Study Memorandum
written by Henry Kissinger? They said, "*Forget* about economic
development." Now what is the biggest problem in the African-
American communities today with regard to economic situations?
Lack of jobs! Now. They're not gonna *get* any jobs! Why? Because
Clinton has passed, has rammed through, GATT and NAFTA. And we
have turned the American economy from an economy with 250 million
consumers, into an economy, into a *world* economy, where there
are 5.6 billion consumers, many of whom are earning 19 cents an
hour. And we're gonna ask the African-Americans who don't have
jobs to compete with 19-cents-an-hour labor? It ain't gonna
happen.
So you see, Sherman... The problem today is that GATT and NAFTA
have completely foreclosed any hope for education, for jobs, in
the African-American community. It is *done*. It's over with.
SKOLNICK:
So they're using, insofar as... Well, Mexico was [unclear]
with...
SATO:
But you see, Sherman, that is *why* they have to be panicked
about what's going to happen in the African-American communities
when people finally figure out that there *is* *not* gonna be any
more education, there's *not* gonna be jobs. It's 19 cents an
hour.
SKOLNICK:
All right, let's see if this fits in with your thesis there:
Mexico is principally Indians. People of color. And therefore,
this whole NAFTA thing, to use them as cheap labor: does that fit
into your genocide theory in some way?
SATO:
Sure. NAFTA now... And the people in the State Department want to
lower the population of Mexico from over 60 million to under 20
million.
SKOLNICK:
How?
SATO:
Hey folks, there's a group out there called "Chiapas", which is
gonna start provoking civil war like crazy in Mexico. And they're
going to cause a *tremendous*, devastating war in Mexico which
wipes out over 40 million people.
SKOLNICK:
O.K. So wait a minute. So this uh, your thesis is that this
putting an FBI task force -- according to the September 8th, '94
issue of the *[Chicago] Tribune*, which is right on the front
page: "FBI Task Force Joins City Police to Fight Gangs". That's
their excuse! But *actually*, they're putting the gestapo into
the inner city...
SATO:
..for the purpose of making sure that there is a point at which
the African-American community explodes, and they have to send in
their troops and kill everybody...
SKOLNICK:
Before we run out of time: you also feel that these attacks on
black celebrities are not accidental.
SATO:
No. They're not accidental at all. They have money, they have
influence. The FBI wants to get rid of 'em.
SKOLNICK:
Why?
SATO:
O.J. Simpson. Michael Jordan's father. Michael Jackson.
SKOLNICK:
Why?
SATO:
Because they're [unclear], according to the FBI; they're not
"worthy" of having any position of influence or wealth.
SKOLNICK:
O.K. And since they are now quite wealthy, if they ever became
political -- I'm not saying that O.J. Simpson was or is
political, or Michael Jackson was or is political -- but *were*
they, in a time of the American gestapo running out of control,
they might say something and have to be heard worldwide... among
white people, among people of color. You couldn't shut them up.
If they held a press conference, it'd be covered.
So they're discredited. They're "murderers", they're "child
molesters".
SATO:
Or they're just murdered, period.
SKOLNICK:
Yeah. In other words, because they're well-known they don't want
them as spokesmen for the Afro-American community. Is that the
point?
SATO:
They don't want them as spokesmen for *anybody*.
SKOLNICK:
So, well what you're saying is, whether Mel Reynolds, the
congressman, is or is not a sleazebag as accused, it's
interesting that of *all* the crooked congressmen that they could
think about, they centered on him. That's not accidental, right?
They could find some other congressmen that are equally as
crooked as him.
SATO:
Sure.
SKOLNICK:
Assuming that he's crooked.
SATO:
Well yeah. But that comes down to, "Take a whole handful of darts
and just throw it at the [unclear], and anybody you hit..."
SKOLNICK:
All right, before we run out of time, what suggestion do you
have? You've laid out a very somber thing there. How do we get
into the next century?
SATO:
In my view, there aren't a whole lot of solutions, simply
because...
SKOLNICK:
Well, before we run out of time, give us some.
SATO:
There are certain African-Americans who wish there to be
reparations to the African-Americans because of slavery. That is
not practical for a lot of reasons. It's...
SKOLNICK:
Oh I'm for it if the ultra-rich pay for it!
SATO:
Sherman, that's impractical.
SKOLNICK:
..shouldn't tax the rest of us. The ultra-rich: let them pay!
SATO:
They're not gonna do that unless you "string 'em up".
SKOLNICK:
"String" who up?
SATO:
The super-rich.
SKOLNICK:
The Rockefellers.
SATO:
Yeah. That's not gonna happen.
So the only thing *I* would suggest is a strike. A mortgage
strike.
SKOLNICK:
Well, we're running out of time.
SATO:
..A rent strike.
SKOLNICK:
We're running out of time. And we thank everybody for listening.
We've worried a lot of 'em. People secretly think that maybe we
represent the Tylenol and aspirin industry with these programs
[laughs]. We *do* worry people! But we hopefully cause you to
think.
Thanks for listening, and watch us again on "Broadsides". Good
evening.
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Why King Center Ejected National Park Service
By Dennis Speed
[*New Federalist*, January 9, 1995]
ATLANTA, Dec. 28 (EIRNS) -- Dexter King, son of the Rev. Dr.
Martin Luther King and the new chairman and chief executive
officer of the King Center for Non-Violent Social Change, today
announced that the National Parks Service, previously employed as
tour guides, has been ejected from the King Center. This action
comes as a result of the ongoing dispute between civil rights
activists, including the King family, and the Park Service, which
has announced its intention to build an $11 million Visitors
Center in time for the Olympics, on the site of what the Center
intended to be the location of a museum dedicated to the slain
civil rights leader.
Initially, Coretta King and others had actually lobbied for the
Parks Service involvement in a project in King's honor and
memory. "The NPS (National Park Service) was invited into this
(historic) district by my mother, Coretta Scott King, to be a
tour guide of the King birth home... serving in a support role of
the King Center's programs, mission, and purpose. They began as a
tour guide, but in their dark ambition they have become
landlords. I don't expect any of my beloved neighbors to see
this, because I am ashamed to admit that my family did not see it
until it was too late," said Dexter King.
-+- The NPS and the Klan -+-
Readers of New Federalist newspaper will not be surprised at the
nefarious role attributed by Dexter King to the National Park
Service. In 1993, spokesmen for the NPS, including Gary Scott,
chief historian for the Washington, D.C. District, opposed the
removal of the statue of Ku Klux Klan founder Albert Pike from
Judiciary Square. Scott contended that "there was no evidence
that proved" Pike was a Klansman -- despite evidence gleaned from
members of Pike's family and other Klansmen proving that indeed
he was.
The same Gary Scott has also written a book praising the Kappa
Alpha Society, the official campus recruiting group of the Klan.
J. Edgar Hoover, the late director of the FBI and a chief
opponent of Martin Luther King, was the head of his chapter of
the Kappa Alpha fraternity at George Washington University.
Further, recent revelations in the King assassination,
particularly in Memphis [CN -- suppressed by U.S. media],
implicate the FBI in a coverup of the actual story behind the
King murder.
-+- Why Is NPS Worried? -+-
If the King Center were left free to present a non-doctored,
uncensored view of the civil rights movement, undefined by the
federal government, that view must directly affect every nation
in the world whose nationals attended the 1996 Olympics [in
Atlanta]. With over 100,000 visitors a day expected during the
height of the Olympics, and over 2 billion people expected to
watch some portion of the proceedings, an independent
representation of the facts concerning the King legacy, and the
assassination, would, from the standpoint of interested parties
in the Park Service, need to be controlled -- especially if the
former FBI director, a Kappa Alpha "brother," is implicated in
the murder.
To the end of effecting control, the King family has been
attacked in the pages of the Atlanta Constitution [newspaper] as
"profiteers" who are seeking to "exploit" King's legacy, as
opposed to the "disinterested" National Park Service -- whose
chief historian in Washington [CN -- recently fired] happens to
be a defender of the founder of the Ku Klux Klan. The Dec. 23 New
York Times reported that Coretta King stated, "It seems that the
same evil forces that killed Martin Luther King are now trying to
destroy his family."
Andrew Young, co-chairman of the Atlanta Committee for the
Olympic Games, former mayor of Atlanta, U.S. ambassador to the
United Nations, and an aide to King in the civil rights movement,
contended: "In the case of the Parks Department and the King
family, so far the King family has been excluded from full
partnership... The King family has to control the planning and
vision of the project." Young, however, correctly notes that
"this should not be viewed as a partisan political struggle" --
since the King legacy, and not "the King family" -- is the real
target.
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Those consulting King's own writings, such as his last speech to
his Southern Christian Leadership Conference, might find
enlightenment as to what the true issue in this case is. "The
tendency to ignore the Negro's contribution to American life and
to strip him of his personhood is as old as the earliest history
books and as contemporary as the morning's newspaper. To upset
this cultural homicide, the Negro must rise up with an
affirmation of his own Olympian (sic) manhood. Any movement for
the Negro's freedom that overlooks this necessity is only waiting
to be buried."
Dexter King asserted in his remarks to the press, "What we are
witnessing in 1994 is a classical encroachment and annexation of
a people and their history by the federal government in 1996,
through their agent the NPS."
Meetings are expected to occur the first week of January, in
which Congressional and other forces will seek to intervene in
the situation.
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Historical Revisionism, Populism and Monkeys
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[From *The Barnes Review*, January 1995]
*The Barnes Review* is a magazine of revisionist history, meaning
that our aim is to bring history into accord with the facts.
The reader is surely justified in pointing out that history is
supposed to be an account of the facts in the first place. Why
then does history have to be "revised" at all?
The answer to that question is itself a historical law: History
is always written by the winner and never by the loser. That is
to say, the facts that become history are selected, distorted,
suppressed or invented by the historians chosen by the winner to
do the job.
Of course, in the "Western democracies," we are not supposed to
say, or even think, heresy like this. As true believers in the
public mythos, we all know that in "democracies" people are free
and government is above-board and subject to the will of the
voters. Unfortunately, this myth gets more and more difficult to
swallow. At some point, those who are subject to American
democracy, for example, must admit that the word is a placebo
meant to placate and bemuse the taxpayers while the economic and
political establishment does what it damn well wants. If any
documentation for this is needed, please reflect back to last
month when a lame duck Congress joined hands across the aisle and
voted to undermine American sovereignty and accept GATT and the
World Trade Organization, which at least 75 percent of the voters
opposed. Democracy, you say? What, then, is tyranny?
When the communists were in control of Russia and the USSR, the
history of Russia, the USSR and the world was far different from
what it was under the czars and what it is known to be today by
distinguished Russian historians, such as Igor Shafarevich or
Wladimir Soloukhin. Unfortunately, historical distortion is not
confined to foreign nations.
The global plantation envisioned as our future by the
international bankers and their acolytes in the corporate
community and among the herd of international planners they
employ mandates but two classes -- the very rich and their
servants (including their hired intellectuals and historians),
and the very poor without distinction as to race, gender,
nationality or religion.
Thus, if history must be revised in the interest of truth to put
down the mouthpieces of the special interests who would control
our minds, and if populism is correctly defined as statecraft
conducted for the purpose of putting down the special interests
in the broad interest of the public as a whole, then it is
evident that the relationship between revisionist history as an
intellectual discipline and populism as a philosophy of
government is indubitable.
Looking at it from the other end, establishment history and
populism are as incompatible as are revisionism and establishment
politics.
The popular lore of "democracy" also requires that no
conspiracies of the planners exist. Those opposed to the social
order and other criminals may engage in conspiracies but surely
not the sainted democrats. This may be called the good monkey
theory -- hear no evil, see no evil and speak no evil. The fact
is, at any one time there are virtually as many conspiracies
operating as there are ambitions. The demise of Soviet communism
has not eliminated the conspiracy factor from history.
Unless we are monkeys, we must open our eyes and we will see that
revisionist history requires inquiry into the same areas that
lure populists and are righteously avoided by establishment
politicians, pundits and historians. These areas include the
esoteric world of international banking, the history and nature
of money, enigmatic and seldom-mentioned organizations or
movements, such as the Bilderbergers, the Trilateral Commission,
Grand Orient Freemasonry, Scientology, international political
Zionism and other conspiracies seeking illegitimate power.
Revisionist history must also necessarily seek the forbidden
knowledge of racial and ethnic differences. And perhaps it may
also even brave the feminists and peek into that "little
difference" between men and women.
Of course, to taste these forbidden fruits one must be ready to
confront the establishment, which habitually and historically
always tries to smite down revisionist history and populism.
To be a revisionist, then, one must achieve a level of
intellectual sophistication above that of most Americans who
credulously believe in semantic nonsense, such as "democracy," or
"equality," or "freedom of the press," or even "freedom," terms
which are defined by the enemy: those conspirators who use them
as weapons of intellectual repression and human control.
We trust you agree that it is time for us to remove our hands
from our eyes, ears and lips. It will prepare us to defy our
keepers, escape and survive in the lively months and years to
come.
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I received the following from a CN reader who wishes to remain
anonymous. What I plan to do is post the entire document over a
period of time, most likely in weekly installments. Here is part 9.
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
CONSPIRACY:
THE INVISIBLE SECOND RUNG OF GOVERNMENT
An Investigation and Discussion of that Part of the United
States Government Which We Did Not Elect, Which Is Not
Accountable, Which Is Unconstitutional, Which Is Engaged In
Unlawful and Unconstitutional Activity, and Then Hides Behind
the National Security Act of 1947
PART I :
CITATION AND SUMMARY OF SOURCES
(continued)
33. Kessler, Ronald, Inside The CIA, New York, New York, Simon &
Schuster, Inc., 1992. Kessler is an author and award-winning
former investigative reporter. Summary: Documents CIA covert
action to influence or overthrow foreign governments or political
parties; development of eavesdropping devices that work by
zapping laser beams through windows. CIA officials failed to
tell their own boss, the DCI (Director of Central Intelligence),
the truth. "Not that they lied outright; they were too smart for
that. But by telling only half the story, by answering questions
precisely, by not addressing the real intent of [the DCI's]
questions, they had misled him" just as they had misled other
legal bodies of investigation. The DCI found that plans for
covert action were rarely scrutinized formally and their approval
was given informally. CIA misdeeds have been "aided and abetted
by a Congress that shirked its oversight duties." Documents how
the agency moves forward and backward, into and out of illegality
based on who the Director of Central Intelligence is.
Because of the competition between departments, the directorates
of those departments report "to the [DCI] only grudgingly,
fearful that its own turf will be infringed upon or that its
secrets will be shared with the other directorates."
The CIA's past attempt to humiliate Castro "by trying to get his
beard to fall off - something that only someone whose level of
maturity had not advanced beyond kindergarten could have dreamed
up." The CIA "is also secretive - sometimes foolishly so....Even
newspaper clippings have been stamped 'secret.'"
"A 1979 Opinion Research Corporation poll found 24% [of all
Americans] had an unfavorable opinion [of the CIA]....Unfavorable
opinions were highest among Americans who were college educated
and had higher incomes."
"CIA officers must be willing to break the laws of other
countries and lie....The most common form of fraud is when CIA
officers claim they have paid a local agent and actually kept the
money themselves. While agents are required to sign receipts, it
is easy to forge such documents."
The Agency's emphasis and rewarding of quantity, not quality, in
their efforts to recruit foreign spies has led them into
disaster. For example, it was discovered in 1987 that almost
every single spy recruited from Cuba were double agents reporting
back to Castro.
Since the end of the Cold War, higher priority has been given to
economic spying. "The CIA tries, for example, to find out
overseas what kinds of computers the Japanese are
developing....It is something like being able to eavesdrop on a
seller and his broker when negotiating to buy a house."
The CIA commonly meddles in the affairs of other countries, even
to the extent of overthrowing a legally and democratically
elected leader, which is how the U.S. ends up with a reputation
for being imperialistic and hypocritical. "'Defenders of covert
action would say we are fighting to preserve liberty and
democracy and the American way,' said Simmons, a former CIA
officer....'But when you get into the details, you wonder if they
are talking about the same thing. He may be an SOB and a
dictator, but he is our SOB, whereas Arbenz, who was
democratically elected, was not an SOB, but he wasn't ours.'"
A CIA inspector general's report uncovered dozens of attempts to
humiliate and assassinate Castro, which included the aid of Mafia
gangsters Sam Giancana and John Roselli. The CIA also developed
plans to assassinate the head of the Congo, Patrice Lumumba, and
attempts to control elections in Chili. They spent $8 million
attempting to mount a military coup against and to prevent the
confirmation of Salvadore Allende's presidential election.
"In principle, I think we ought to discourage the idea of
fighting secret wars or even initiating most covert operations.
When the United States violates those principles - when we mine
harbors in Nicaragua - we fuzz the difference between ourselves
and the Soviet Union," said George Ball, undersecretary of state
in the Kennedy and Johnson administrations. "In the last
analysis, covert action has contributed very little to
strengthening the national security of the U.S. If an action is
worth taking, it should be done openly." Covert action allows
the government to pursue unquestioned policy while "avoiding
asking itself the tough questions it would normally ask before
taking action in the open."
Senior CIA officers "keep in touch with chief executive officers
of major corporations in order to place defectors in jobs."
CIA abuses included "programs for opening mail between U.S. and
Soviet-bloc countries and for compiling files on dissident
Americans." The latter program accumulated 13,000 files on 7,200
Americans and "included the names of 300,000 American citizens
and organizations." Most CIA abuses have "been approved by CIA
directors at the time and even attorneys general of the U.S."
Former Agency officers claim they have never engaged in any
covert activity not ordered by the White House, a president or a
cabinet officer.
The CIA "had been providing funds to the National Student
Association." This, of course, "raised suspicions both in the
eyes of foreigners and of Americans that U.S. institutions might
have dual allegiances - one to their directors or trustees and
one to the CIA."
Frank E. Olson committed suicide "after the CIA had given him LSD
without his knowledge." The consequences for those agents
involved were merely a letter of reprimand which was not even
placed in their personnel files. In reference to another abuse,
the illegal imprisonment for three and a half years of Yuri
Nosenko, Colby said, "That frightened me more than anything else,
the idea that an intelligence agency could secretly hold a man in
prison."
One of Richard Bissell's responses indicated CIA arrogance, that
"only CIA officers know what is good for the country. Elected
officials may be the representatives of the people, but they have
no business questioning the judgment of the CIA....The problem is
irresponsible scrutiny. The winks and nods and tacit approval:
'I don't want to hear these things. Don't tell me this. I need
to deny any knowledge.' Yet when an operation goes awry, these
very same people turn on you," said Saunders, a former CIA
officer.
"Today the Directorate of Science and Technology controls billion-
dollar satellites that see through clouds and even buildings with
radar and infrared imaging that senses heat. Other satellites
can intercept conversations of terrorists, trace narcotics
dealers' electronic transfers of money between bank accounts, and
see mobs in places such as Iraq, a machine gun under a tent, and
water or oil under the desert."
"The agency has a disguise capability that no one can touch," a
former OTS officer said.
"Besides administering the finances of the agency, the Office of
Financial Management launders money using dummy corporations and
multiple bank accounts worldwide in order to further the work of
the clandestine side of the agency."
The CIA's Office of Security "illegally wiretapped the telephones
of three newsmen...in order to determine their sources....And
while investigating CIA employees, the Office of Security
illegally conducted twelve break-ins and installed thirty-two
wiretaps and thirty-two bugs." DCI Webster found this Office of
Security to have the most problems, "to be still operating in the
dark ages and most resistant to change." One CIA officer
responsible for training new recruits lectures to them often that
critics of past CIA abuses are "unsophisticated detractors,"
defends the CIA having spied on Americans due to "national
security questions," and that "those who would destroy us and our
efforts were not the Soviets and our other worldwide enemies but
our own elected legislative representatives." Perhaps this CIA
instructor's worst failure is not informing new recruits that "by
subverting the law, the CIA subverts the very freedoms it is
trying to preserve, while failing to achieve its objectives."
"The CIA and other intelligence agencies can try to hide their
mistakes by claiming prosecutions would air secrets that would
compromise the work of the agencies."
"In debugging overseas stations, one of the biggest problems CIA
technicians face is not bugs but insistent requests from
ambassadors to sweep their offices. 'It's a status symbol,' a
former technician said. 'If the chief of station gets his done,
the ambassador wants his done, too.'"
In hiring a new recruit, training officers claim they want
"impeccable character and integrity." Yet, that same recruit
will be asked to "spend much of his or her life living a lie,
pretending to be someone he or she is not...." And, "you have to
have a passion for anonymity."
"Very few people [at the CIA] know the complete picture because
very few are allowed to know it," McGregor said. "That is what
makes it so difficult to get at the whole truth. This is
exacerbated by the fact that so very few feel any loyalty to the
head of the agency. Rather, their loyalties are to the heads of
their divisions or their directorates."
"Operations officers seldom suffered permanent career damage for
poor performance or incompetence, even when agents were killed or
compromised," said former CIA operations officer. They also "did
not understand the need for taking disciplinary action against
those who had violated the trust the agency placed in them" (as
in not telling the truth during the Iran-Contra investigation.
The CIA criticized the DCI for wanting to please Congress and the
public.
The CIA treats "the American press as an adversary" and has a
history of being involved "in the business of trying to suppress
books....Yet smart as [the CIA employees] were, they seemed to
have difficulty understanding why so many people had a negative
impression of what they do."
The CIA has laundered its money at the Nugan Hand Bank, which had
a reputation for taking your money without asking too many
questions. The CIA also used the Bank of Credit and Commerce
International (BCCI).
"It was the CIA's job to break laws, not to follow them. While
the laws that the CIA broke were those of other countries, it was
easy for the distinction between foreign laws and American laws
to be lost."
"Lawrence R. Houston, the agency's first general counsel, helped
draft the law establishing the agency. According to him, the
clause permitting the agency to engage in 'such other functions'
as the NSC directed referred only to intelligence collection, not
to covert action....'All during this drafting of the act, all
during the presentations to congressional committees and debates,
and all during the consideration in Congress, there was no
mention of covert action,' Houston said. 'It was entirely
intelligence....'" It was only later that Houston wrote a legal
opinion that if the president orders it and if Congress funded
it, then the "such other functions" could be stretched to include
covert action.
The author's 1976 request for material from the CIA under the
Freedom of Information Act took more than fourteen years for the
CIA to fulfill.
"The Classified Information Procedures Act of 1980 provides ways
for classified information to be handled by a court without
making it public."
A law suit was filed against the CIA by victims of Dr. D. Ewen
Cameron, who had conducted experiments on psychiatric patients
without their consent. His experiments subjected his patients
"to LSD, electroshock treatment up to 75 times the normal level,
and drug-induced sleep that lasted for weeks." The suit cost
taxpayers $750,000 for the settlement alone."
"Despite [DCI] Webster's best efforts, the Office of Security is
still in the Dark Ages, still prone to overlook legal niceties
and to act in a heavy-handed fashion." The agency still has
difficulty separating what should and shouldn't be kept
legitimate secrets.
"'We still have institutional biases that act as a wet blanket on
judgment,' Thomas Polgar, a former CIA station chief said. 'If
you say there is no more threat from Eastern Europe, that means
somebody's budget is going to be reduced. Self-interest enters
into it.'"
"The secrecy that envelops [the CIA] conflicts with inherent
American values and leads to mistrust. Too many times in the
past, that mistrust has been warranted. And the CIA is often
guilty of arrogance."
"No longer should Americans 'to a degree take it on faith,' as
Richard Helms proposed....The CIA's power can easily be misused
by unscrupulous directors or presidents."
[...to be continued...]
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CODE NAME "ZORRO":
The Murder of Martin Luther King, Jr.
by Mark Lane and Dick Gregory
Reviewed by Brian Francis Redman
"1. Why were only two police officers assigned to Dr. King on the
evening of April 4, 1968?"
"2. Why was one of those officers, Redditt, removed so
precipitously two hours before the murder?"
"3. Why were the only two black firemen [assigned to an adjacent
fire station] removed from the scene of the murder the night
before it occurred?"
"4. If Raoul did not provide Ray with funds as Ray claimed, where
did Ray secure the many thousands of dollars that he expended
from the time he escaped from the Missouri Penitentiary until his
arrest in London?"
Once more, as in the JFK assassination, we have too many
unanswered questions, questions that are ignored by those who
ought to be answering them. Instead of answers, the public
receives supercilious smiles and pats on the head from persons
acting to be somehow better than us, we the people, of the United
States.
Here's an interesting fact: our old buddy Rep. Henry Gonzalez,
courageous fighter against the Federal Reserve yet timid as a
mouse when it comes to Whitewater, "...had been in the Dallas
motorcade on November 22, 1963, when President Kennedy was
assassinated. Congressman Gonzalez had harbored doubts about the
adequacy of the findings of the Warren Commission. Later he
stated that he was also not satisfied with the official
explanations of the deaths of Dr. King and Senator Robert F.
Kennedy, and the attempted assassination of Governor George
Wallace." (It turns out that Wallace also "wasn't satisfied" as
to the official explanation about the attempt made on his life.
The Associated Press, ca. June 29, 1993, quoted Wallace as saying
that he "doesn't believe the man who shot him was acting alone,"
and asking ol' Billy Jeff from Arkansas to reopen the federal
investigation.)
A lot of questions. "Nine years have passed [ca. 1977] since the
death of Dr. King. The American people have not been given the
details about the pathological hatred that Hoover's FBI betrayed
toward Dr. King. Neither have we been told why the black
witnesses were officially stripped from the scene the night
before the murder nor why the police officer in charge was
removed on an implausible pretext just before the fatal shot was
fired. The witness and security stripping was directed by a
former high-ranking FBI official. Mystery surrounds the failure
of the FBI to seek James Earl Ray until April 19th, fifteen days
after the murder in spite of the presence of the fingerprints on
the presumed murder rifle."
"The bullet taken from Dr. King's body was examined by an FBI
agent whose conclusions raise more questions than they answer.
The bullet has not yet been adequately tested. It may not have
been fired from Ray's rifle."
"The cover-up of facts surrounding the murder, including the
publication of news stories, false information leads to authors
of books and magazine articles, and direct lobbying against a
Congressional investigation by intelligence and spy organizations
requires that we ask what it is that is so feared by so few. And
ask as well how powerful the few must be to influence and control
so much."
Here's another little tidbit which, by itself may not be
overwhelming, but which when added to all the other little
anomalies surrounding this case gives us the sum total of a
flashing sign on a GoodYear blimp saying "...CONSPIRACY....
COVER-UP... CONSPIRACY... COVER-UP...":
Wayne Chastain, now a practicing lawyer in Memphis, was a
reporter for the Memphis *Press Scimitar*, one of the two
major daily newspapers at the time of the assassination of
Dr. King.
After the police concluded that the shot had been fired from
the bathroom window in the rooming house, Chastain came
across an unpublished photograph in the newspaper's files.
Taken by an Associated Press photographer from the bathroom
window, it showed the Lorraine Motel balcony as the sniper
would have seen it if the shot had been fired from there.
Chastain noted that the view was obscured by branches from
trees growing on the embankment between the rooming house and
the motel.
Later that day he discussed that oddity in the case with Kay
Black, another reporter for the Memphis *Press Scimitar*.
Chastain told me that although the picture was puzzling he
paid little attention to it, "because at that time I believed
the shot had come from that window. I believed that the
police were right about that."
Chastain has continued to maintain a growing file on the case
and has talked with many witnesses since. "Now I no longer
believe the shot came from there. Now I think that picture
and those trees take an added significance," he told me.
Later Kay Black received a telephone call from William B.
Ingram, the former mayor of Memphis. Ingram had called to
inform Black that the city was cutting down the trees on the
embankment between the rooming house and the motel. She later
told me, "Now, I hadn't been in the rooming house looking
through that bathroom window but I do recall Wayne Chastain
having said that he didn't see how someone could shoot
through the trees to the motel. He said that he was puzzled
how a clear shot could have been fired because he didn't see
how you could see through the branches."
Ms. Black determined that the city of Memphis had arranged
for the trees to be cut down and had ordered the city
sanitation department to remove them. She said that Ingram
had called her in the morning. She reported the information
to her desk and that afternoon she visited the murder scene.
"And those trees were down. The screen was gone. There was
just no way any longer to know if that shot could have been
possible."
Authorities investigating the assassination relied on two dubious
witnesses, Mrs. Bessie Brewer and Charles Q. Stephens, to place
James Earl Ray in the nearby rooming house between 3:00 and 3:10
p.m. Yet "Mrs. Brewer consistently refused to identify Ray" as
the man to whom she had rented a room there. The other witness,
Stephens, "did not make a positive identification of Ray."
Furthermore, Stephens had "a severe drinking problem. Apparently
he was drunk when the shot that killed Dr. King was fired." His
wife told co-author Lane that "Charlie [Stephens] didn't see
anything. He couldn't have. He was on the bed trying to sleep one
off."
Stephens wife, Grace, was a third witness. But she was silenced.
She heard the shot, then, as she recalls, "Right after the shot a
man left the bathroom and went down the hall and down the steps
to Main Street. I saw the man as he passed the door of my room.
My guess of this man's age was in his fifties. This man was not
quite as tall as I am. He was small-boned built." According to
Grace Stephens, this man had "salt and pepper colored hair."
"At last the Memphis authorities apparently had uncovered a
reliable witness. Yet when Ray was arrested her statement was
inconvenient. Ray was taller than average and Mrs. Stephens had
described a man approximately five feet, five inches tall. Ray
was well-built and muscular and she described a small-boned man.
Ray was in his thirties and she described a man twenty years
older."
So how was she silenced? "Grace Stephens was illegally taken from
her home by other Memphis authorities and placed in a mental
institution... After Mrs. Stephens was illegally placed in the
mental institution, the Memphis prosecutors removed her records
from the hospital, according to her lawyer, C. M. Murphy."
"Murphy also charged that his client had no history of mental
illness and that she was able to care for herself. He said that
the Memphis prosecuting attorneys committed her to safeguard
their case against Ray."
"In 1970, two years after Mrs. Stephens was committed, Murphy
brought an action for her release. A reporter for the *Washington
Post* who attended the hearing said that Mrs. Stephens, 'was
heavily sedated' and that she 'stared blankly.' He reported as
well that 'attorneys say that ordinarily she is bright,
articulate, and reads a great deal and that she completed three
years of college.'"
Grace Stephens was not released and "remains at the institution
now [ca. 1977]."
"Mrs. Stephens has not recanted. When she was visited at the
institution where she is confined she was asked if she remembers
what she saw on April 4, 1968. She answered with a sad smile, 'Oh
yes. I remember what I saw and who I saw run away. That's why I'm
here, you know.'"
So we now near the federally-designated MLK HolyDay. As Dave
Emory has sadly pointed out:
...when you allow a man to be murdered with impunity, when
you allow a man to take a bullet, [when] you will not show
*any* substantive interest in who did the killing -- when the
people who did the killing are a matter of public record!
(And we *know* who did it.) -- it's grotesque. I think it's
really grotesque to name a holiday after somebody, celebrate
a holiday after somebody, when you can't, when you *won't*,
look into someone's murder.
It is like that line from I think it was T.S. Eliot: "And death
walks, grinning, in the parade." The MLK HolyDay is that day when
the *federales* display their trophy, Martin Luther King's head
mounted on 24-hours in time. As Frederick Tupper Sausee writes in
the afterword of *Tennessee Waltz* by James Earl Ray: "It is not
King's life that they celebrate, but his death. King's death is
their handiwork, and they display it proudly."
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The Crash of United Flight 553
[Excerpted from *Defrauding America* by Rodney Stich]
A United Boeing 737 crashed into a Chicago residential area
(December 8, 1972) during an approach, killing everyone on board,
including the wife of Watergate figure E. Howard Hunt. She was
reportedly carrying money to silence Watergate witnesses, and
carried papers implicating President Richard Nixon in the
coverup. A Chicago public-interest group, know as the Citizens
Committee [to Clean Up the Courts] {1} believed that Justice
Department personnel played a role in the crash of United flight
553, and that they wanted key individuals on flight 553
exterminated. Twelve of the people who boarded United Flight 553
had something in common relating to questionable Justice
Department and Watergate activities.
There had been a gas pipeline lobbyist meeting as part of the
American Bar Association in Washington, D.C., conducted by Roger
Morea. Among the lobbyists attending were attorneys for the
Northern Natural Gas Company of Omaha; attorneys for Kansas-
Nebraska Natural Gas Company; and [the] president of the Federal
Land Bank in Omaha. The Citizens Committee portrayed these people
as a group determined to blow the lid off the Watergate case.
For many years Chicago resident Lawrence O'Connor boarded flight
553 like clockwork. He had no Watergate connections, but he had
friends in the White House. On this particular Friday, O'Connor
supposedly received a call from someone he knew in the White
House, strongly advising him not to take flight 553. The caller
advised him to go to a special meeting instead of taking that
flight {2}. Whether this was coincidental or to save his life is
unknown to me [i.e. author, Rodney Stich], although the Citizens
Committee considers it significant.
U.S. Attorney General John Mitchell, later indicted and sent to
federal prison, and the Justice Department were putting pressure
on Northern Natural Gas. The firm had subsidiaries that the
federal government indicted on federal criminal charges in Omaha,
Chicago, and Hammond, Indiana. (September 7, 1972.) Justice
Department charges included bribery of local officials in
Northwest Indiana and Illinois, to get clearance for installing
the pipeline through their state. {3}.
Allegedly to blackmail the Justice Department and cause them to
drop the charges, the Omaha firm uncovered documents showing that
Mitchell, while attorney general in 1969, dropped antitrust
charges against a competitor of Northern Natural Gas -- El Paso
Natural Gas Company. Just before the crash, Carl Kruger, an
official with Northern Natural Gas Company, had been browbeating
federal officials to drop the criminal charges. {4}.
The Citizens Committee alleged that dropping these charges saved
the utility 300 million dollars. Simultaneously, Mitchell
purchased through a law partner a stock interest in El Paso
Natural Gas Company. Gas and oil interests, including El Paso,
Gulf Resources, and others, contributed heavily to Nixon's spy
fund supervised by Mitchell. The Citizens Committee reported that
Kruger had previously been warned he would never live to reach
Chicago. Kruger carried these revealing documents on United
Flight 553, telling his wife that he had irreplaceable papers of
a sensitive nature in his possession. For months after the crash
Kruger's widow demanded that United Airlines turn his briefcase
over to her.
CBS news reporter Michelle Clark travelled with Mrs. Hunt, doing
an exclusive story on Watergate. Ms. Clark had already gained
considerable insight into the bugging and coverup through her
boyfriend, a CIA operative. Others knew of this exclusive
interview, including the Justice Department.
According to some media articles, Dorothy Hunt conveyed offers of
executive clemency with the financial payoffs to some of the
Watergate defendants. Mrs. Hunt reportedly also sought to leave
the United States with over two million dollars in cash and
negotiables that she obtained from CREEP (Committee to Re-Elect
the President).
Early in December 1972, Dorothy Hunt and her husband threatened
to blow the lid off the White House if Hunt wasn't freed of the
criminal charges and if they both didn't get several million
dollars. {5}. Hunt claimed, according to McCord, to have evidence
necessary to impeach Nixon. McCord said matters were coming to a
head early in December 1972. Dorothy Hunt was unhappy about
bribing defendants and witnesses, and wanted out of the mess.
The Citizens Committee to Clean Up the Courts reported that over
a hundred FBI agents were inexplicably in the area when the plane
crashed, and that the FBI kept a medical team out of the crash
zone. One member of the medical team said he heard someone in the
crashed plane screaming for help. {6}. Witnesses near the airport
reported that the FBI agents were there before the fire
department arrived. Something highly irregular appeared to be
going on, involving the Department of Justice.
In *Secret Agenda*, author Jim Hougan makes reference to this
intrigue and the request to the FBI by Michael Stevens (who
supplied bugging devices to James McCord, allegedly under
authority of the CIA) for protection. Stevens claimed he was to
receive part of the money Mrs. Hunt was carrying, that his life
had been threatened, and that he believed Mrs. Hunt's death had
been a homicide.
-+- More Political Intrigue? -+-
The day after Flight 553 crashed, the White House appointed White
House aide Egil (Bud) Krogh, Jr. to the post of Under-Secretary
of Transportation, which controlled the FAA [Federal Aviation
Administration] role in the investigation. His qualifications?
Krogh was involved in the Ellsberg burglary caper and was part of
the White House Plumbers group. In his new position Krogh had an
important safety role supervising, or muzzling, the NTSB
[National Transportation Safety Board] and the FAA. He could
exert political influence over the NTSB investigation through the
politically appointed NTSB Board members who establish the
official probable cause of the crash.
Further control over the air safety process was demonstrated ten
days later. On December 19, 1972 the White House appointed
Nixon's deputy assistant and secretary to the Cabinet, Alexander
Butterfield, former CIA aviation liaison officer, to head the
FAA. {7}. The officials controlling the FAA, the NTSB, and the
Department of Transportation had political loyalties to the White
House. At the initial NTSB crash investigation hearings (February
1973), White House Appointment Secretary Dwight Chapin reportedly
threatened media people with reprisals if they mentioned
sabotage. These political appointees could influence matters
affecting the nation's air safety.
-+- United's Connections In Government -+-
Five weeks after the crash, Nixon's appointment secretary, Dwight
Chapin, became a top executive with United Air Lines in the
Chicago home office, even though he had no previous business
experience. Before the crash, Herbert Kalmbach, Nixon's personal
attorney, had been an attorney for United Air Lines.
Those federal officials were capable of carrying out reprisals
against the news media through Clay Whitehead, Nixon's
communication czar. The breakup of the networks on antitrust
charges was always lurking in the wings. Threats of IRS
harassment, Justice Department prosecution for vague federal
offenses, fabricated charges, and news handouts, all played a
part in government control of the news media.
-+- Never In Living Memory -+-
Supporting the fact that these irregular actions occurred, NTSB
chairman John Reed testified before the House Government
Activities Subcommittee on January 13, 1973, concerning Justice
Department interference with the NTSB's investigative duties.
Reed testified that he sent a letter to the FBI, claiming that
never had the FBI acted as they had in this crash. Reed said
fifty FBI agents came into the crash zone shortly after the
crash, assuming the duties assigned by law to the NTSB.
The FBI confiscated the Midway Control Tower tape relating to
Flight 553, interfering with the NTSB investigation. The FBI
conducted twenty-six interviews, including the surviving flight
attendants, obstructing the NTSB's safety responsibilities.
At the original NTSB accident hearings, Board members refused to
consider the documentation and testimony provided by the Citizens
Committee relating to suspicious FBI activities. The NTSB
reopened the hearings after the [Citizens] Committee sued the
NTSB (June 13, 14, 1973). Over thirteen hundred pages of
documentation were produced by the group and many witnesses were
brought forward, establishing the obstruction of the accident
investigation by the FBI. The final NTSB report ignored the
[Citizens] Committee's testimony and evidence.
The Citizens Committee alleged that a gang known as the Sarelli
group came into possession of the highly sensitive documents
carried by Mrs. Hunt. This discovery was made after the arrest of
gang members on January 12, 1973, for an unrelated robbery. {8}.
The Nixon Strike Force in Chicago prosecuted the case against the
Sarelli mob. What they didn't know was that their star witness
against the gang was a staff investigator on the Citizens
Committee, Alex Bottos, Jr.
[...]
--------------------------<< Notes >>----------------------------
{1} Citizens Committee to Clean Up the Courts, 9800 South
Oglesby, Chicago, Illinois 60617.
{2} Report by Citizens Committee.
{3} *Chicago Daily News*, September 8, 1972.
{4} *Chicago Tribune*, May 18, 1973.
{5} See Memo of Watergate spy, James McCord, before the Ervin
Committee. (*New York Times*, 5/9/73).
{6} Testimony offered at the NTSB (National Transportation Safety
Board) hearing on June 13 and 14, 1973.
{7} Jack Anderson's column, *Chicago Daily News*, 5/8/73.
{8} U.S. Magistrate Balog's records, 72-41, U.S. Courthouse,
Chicago.
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THE STRANGE CAREER OF JOHN F. PARKER
Synopsis based on chapter of same title in *Why Was Lincoln
Murdered?* by Otto Eisenschiml (New York: Halcyon House, 1937)
[CN --To begin, the connection between Parker and the White House
seems to have been Secretary of War Edwin M. Stanton. Details as
to this particular will appear further below.]
"Parker was born on May 19, 1830, in Frederick County, Virginia.
He later became a carpenter in the city of Washington, and
enlisted in the army shortly after the outbreak of the [civil]
war. When the Metropolitan Police Force was organized in
September 1861, he became one of its first patrolmen."
"About a year after joining the Force, he was charged with
conduct unbecoming an officer and with the use of violent, coarse
and insolent language... Parker took personal offense [at remarks
made by a superior to a fellow officer,] thinking that the
remarks had reference to himself. In clearing the case, the
Police Board found that Parker had shown a disposition to be
insubordinate. 'The language he used,' says the report, 'was
exceedingly violent and disrespectful, and, if permitted to be
continued, must lead to insubordination.'... [Parker] was
reprimanded and transferred to another precinct."
"On March 16, 1863, Parker again found himself before the Police
Board, charged with willful violation of the rules and
regulations, and with conduct unbecoming an officer. This time he
was accused not only of having used highly offensive language...
but also of having visited a house of prostitution... It was
stated that he had been intoxicated, that he had been put to bed,
and that he had fired a pistol through the window."
"Parker once more ran afoul of the police regulations only a
fortnight later. This time he was accused of being found asleep
on a street car when he should have been walking his rounds..."
"Scarcely three months passed before Parker had to appear before
the Police Board again." He had been charged with using insulting
language to a lady who had tried to lodge a complaint.
Then, strangely enough, in April 1865, a request was made in his
behalf that he be detailed for duty at the White House.
Most other White House guards had "been picked from the ranks of
the oldest police officers of Washington, and, so far as the
files show, they were among the best behaved and the most
respected members of the Force... How then, did a man of John F.
Parker's character find his way into this select company?"
The mystery deepens: "Parker was chosen for his duty as bodyguard
by none other than President Lincoln's own wife... What prompted
the wife of the President to make this unusual request in behalf
of an obscure and mediocre patrolman like Parker will probably
remain a moot question."
[CN -- Moot to an extent. It is doubtful that Mrs. Lincoln would
have requested Parker on her own initiative. How would she have
known Parker? Why would she have bothered having him transferred
to the White House even if she had somehow become acquainted with
him? From my knowledge of Mrs. Lincoln, she was much more
interested in the latest fashions and in social occasions.
I consider it more likely that some "power behind the scenes"
persuaded Mrs. Lincoln that Parker should be appointed.]
"Historians have touched but lightly on the fact that [President
Lincoln] was accompanied by an armed bodyguard [Parker] on the
night of his assassination... [Parker's] orders were to stand at
the entrance of the box [at Ford's Theater] and to permit no
unauthorized person to enter it..."
Parker at first stayed at his assigned post. But then his
curiosity got the better of him and he wandered away in order to
catch a glimpse of the play, "Our American Cousin"! [Cf. *The
Lincoln Conspiracy* by David Balsiger and Charles E. Sellier,
Jr.] During the intermission, Parker went downstairs to a nearby
tavern for some drinks. From this point until his being shot,
Lincoln had no assigned bodyguard. His back was totally
unprotected when John Wilkes Booth crept up behind him and fired
the fatal shot.
"What Parker did immediately after the assassination has not been
definitely ascertained." He showed up at police headquarters at 6
a.m.
"Even those only superficially acquainted with the history of the
Civil War period would probably surmise that this policeman,
guilty of criminal neglect while on important duty, was promptly
court-martialed and executed. Stanton was in complete control of
the situation and, without Lincoln's gentler hands to stay him,
one would have expected the austere Secretary of War to make sure
that the delinquent officer was summarily dealt with."
"But Stanton did exactly nothing. Parker was not shot; nor was he
court-martialed. He not only kept his life, he also kept his
position. He was not reprimanded, not dismissed, not even
immediately relieved of his White House appointment. This
inexplicable failure on the part of the authorities to act
brought forth no burst of indignation from the populace. It
elicited no diligent research among questioning newspapermen..."
"Mrs. Lincoln herself believed that Parker was involved in the
conspiracy to murder her husband."
Parker was transferred back to his regular police beat. On
November 22, 1865 a complaint was filed against Parker for
unbecoming conduct.
Finally, after being found asleep on his beat he was discharged
from the Force on August 13, 1868, for "gross neglect of duty."
"Parker's last offense was perhaps the least important one among
his many infringements... Yet the official axe fell promptly and
relentlessly..."
"A few weeks prior to Parker's dismissal, Secretary of War
Stanton had finally been ousted from his position, and had
returned to private life."
[CN -- So, the Stanton connection: there are two connections
here.
1) Why wasn't Parker court-martialed for deserting his post?
There was a civil war on and Washington, DC was under martial
law. Stanton, normally very strict, did nothing.
2) Parker was routinely getting in trouble with his superiors
yet received no substantive punishment. *Then*, with Stanton (his
protector? part of the plot, along with Parker?) gone, Parker is
almost immediately fired for a relatively minor offense.]
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FROM THE SUNDAY TELEGRAPH (LONDON), 15 JAN. 1995
WHITE HOUSE SUICIDE - WAS THE BODY MOVED?
BY AMBROSE EVANS-PRITCHARD IN WASHINGTON
THE SCOPE of the inquiry into the mysterious death of the top White House
aide Vincent Foster has suddenly been broadened, casting doubt on the
original verdict of suicide.
It has now emerged that Kenneth Starr, the independent counsel
investigating the Whitewater affair, which concerns alleged shady
business deals linked to President Clinton and his wife, summoned several
police officers before a Grand Jury late last week.
During the meeting he took the unusual step of reading them the statutory
definition of perjury. The officers were grilled on the precise
circumstances surrounding the discovery of Foster's body in a Virginia
park in July 1993.
The cause of death of Foster, an intimate friend of the Clintons, had
been considered settled by most observers in Washington. An inquiry by
Robert Fiske, the former independent counsel who was later replaced by a
panel of judges, endorsed the police conclusion that Foster shot himself
in the mouth. He attributed the suicide to depression unrelated to the
Whitewater property dealings of the Clintons.
However, Mr Fiske did not convene a Grand Jury for that part of his
investigation. This was considered strange by many legal experts. The
rescue workers and park police who found the body did not testify under
oath, and Mr Fiske essentially confined himself to a review of their
report rather than conducting a full-scale probe of his own.
The grand jury questioning last week, which took place in secret,
appeared to focus on the precise location of Foster's body in the park.
One of the police officers was overheard reassuring a grand juror in the
lobby that he would bring a map to assist testimony the next day.
The seemingly minor issue of where the body was found could turn out to
be of critical importance. A journalist for the *Pittsburgh
Tribune-Review*, Chris Ruddy, has been fighting a lone crusade for
several months seeking to establish that the Park Police misreported the
location of the body.
Ruddy is convinced that it is the key to exposing a cover-up that
allegedly involves the police, the White House, and even elements of the FBI.
If Ruddy is right, it suggests a political scandal of colossal proportions.
On Thursday, an article by Ruddy in the *Tribune-Review* alleged
sloppiness in the Fiske investigation and argued that key witnesses may
have given false testimony.
His latest revelation is that Dr Donald haut, the Virginia medical
examiner who viewed the scene of the crime on the night of Foster's
death, said the body was 10 to 20 yards past an old civil war cannon, the
first cannon in the park.
This is in direct contradiction to the Fiske Report, which said that the
body was at the foot of a second cannon deep inside the park. The
testimony of Dr Haut, who said he was never questioned by the Fiske
investigation, corroborates early statements by a Fairfax County rescue
worker, George Gonzalez, and several other sources who all said the body
was in tangled undergrowth near the first cannon.
The Ruddy article was republished as a full-page advertisement in the
*Washington Times* on Friday, paid for by a conservative media watchdog
in California called the Western Journalism Center. Both Ruddy and the
Center are already being sued for libel by the Park Police, who insist
that their report was accurate.
Questions about Foster's death have been a staple of radio talk shows
across America. According to extensive interviews conducted by *The
Sunday Telegraph*, suspicions are also shared by some members of the
Foster family and parts of the FBI.
Senator Lauch Faircloth, a Republican member of the Banking Committee
that held brief hearings into Foster's death last July, has also raised
doubts about the suicide verdict.
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THE SPREAD, MEXICO, THE PESO, AND SILENCE
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In Conspiracy Nation Volume 1 Number 12, mention was made by the
estimable gentlemen, the monsieurs Mueth and Estabrook, of
something called "the spread".
MUETH: But what *I* thought was happening -- and then I heard
from a person from NPR [National Public Radio]. I forget who
it was, but it was on the nightly business report on
Thursday. What really was going on was keeping the "spread"
wide. The "spread" is historically high, uh, 3 percent,
roughly, I think.
ESTABROOK: You should say what we mean by the "spread" here.
That's the difference between the *real* interest rate -- the
difference, basically, between what banks are lending money
at and what they're paying for the money themselves.
In Volume 1 Number 12 I went on to give my own attempt at an
explanation of "the spread".
[CN Editor -- In other words, the Fed loans money to the
banks at 3 percent interest. If the banks then charge
customers, say, 4 percent to borrow this money, the "spread"
is the difference between the two rates of 3 and 4 percent: 1
percent. If the spread is high (e.g. the bankers do not pass
on the Fed's lower rates to their customers), the banks make
more profit on the money they lend.]
So the banks made some big bucks.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Money Masters May Have Gone Too Far
[Excerpts from *The Spotlight*, 1/16/95]
To bail out Wall Street's foundering megabanks, Federal Reserve
Chairman Alan Greenspan secretly looted millions of small savings
accounts and retirement incomes in 1991-1993, accumulating
evidence -- first unearthed by *The Spotlight* -- has now
conclusively confirmed.
New documentation has come to light, presenting ordinary
Americans, acting individually or in class action suits, with a
historic opportunity to press charges of fraud, malfeasance and
racketeering against the Fed and its manipulative chairman.
The opportunity arose on New Year's Day when the *New York Times*
finally revealed, for the first time, that beginning in late 1990
"The Fed and its chairman engineered a prolonged period of
falling interest rates." Their sole purpose was "to save the
American banking system" which was "reeling."
Business writer Allen Sloan, a leading Wall Street market-
watcher, confirmed the same fact in his column the same day:
"Federal Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan drove short-term
rates to ultra-low levels in the early 1990s to bail out the
banking industry, setting off a wave of wild speculation that's
still causing trouble," Sloan disclosed.
[...]
To refill the banks' leaking vaults, the Fed gave them vast cash
injections -- tens of billions of dollars -- disguised as short-
term credits at minimal rates around three percent. Then the Fed
borrowed the same money back from the banks at sharply higher
long-term rates. It was a thinly disguised taxpayer bailout...
Small, loyal depositors got a raw deal, too. Used to receiving
around six or seven percent interest on their savings, they saw
their modest incomes shrink under Greenspan's hammer -- often by
half or more. The Fed's moves plunged millions of older Americans
below the poverty line in 1991-1993.
[...]
[According to Dr. Paul Adler,] "The result was that ordinary
Americans ended up paying painfully for yet another giant bank
bailout, both as taxpayers and as savers -- and never even knew
it."
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Once again the formula had been capitalism for profits,
socialism for losses."
Conspiracy for the Day -- November 1, 1993
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Mexico Round 2 of Profit Grab
[Excerpts from *The Spotlight*, 1/23/95]
[...]
It heartened the speculators to know that they had a determined
protector -- in reality, a co-conspirator -- at the Fed. The game
of debt-financing, currency arbitration, price-fixing, corporate
takeovers and artful fraud expanded into Mexico and beyond, into
a number of so-called "emerging markets," knowledgeable observers
say.
"U.S. speculators realized that trade and investments in smaller
and poorer nations was a lot easier to manipulate," explained Dr.
Paul Adler, the noted economic consultant. "To move in on Mexico,
all they needed was a pliable president who spoke their language,
[CN -- presumably either "Yalie" Clinton or "Yalie" Salinas de
Gotari] and a 'makeover' -- a major promotion that would give the
Mexican markets the gloss of stability and sophistication that
invited foreign investment."
[...]
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Now Commander Billy Jeff has opened what they are calling a "$40
billion line of credit" to Mexico. What this means to me is that
$40 billion that could have been spent here in the United States
is going, instead, to *Mexico Lindo*.
Where is the $40 billion "line of credit" coming from? They don't
say.
Is the $40 billion "line of credit" going to appear out of thin
air? They don't tell us.
Gee, will this $40 billion "line of credit" ultimately come out
of our pockets? These questions aren't even being asked.
Let's run down the game so far:
1) 1980s -- S&Ls robbed by S&L owners. We pay for it.
2) 1990-1991 -- Banks in trouble. We bail them out and *we*
*don't* *even* *know* we bailed them out!
3) 1993 -- Nobody wants NAFTA. Commander Billy Jeff opens up the
U.S. Treasury and buys the votes he needs. We, the taxpayers,
have paid for NAFTA even though we don't want it.
4) 1995 -- Mexican Peso collapses. Commander Billy Jeff orders a
$40 billion "line of credit" be opened for Mexico; i.e. he
sends $40 billion of our money to Mexico. I read the papers
and I see no questions being asked. For example: (1) Where is
the $40 billion coming from? (2) Why do *we* have to pay $40
billion to bail out their peso? (3) *Who* will lose money if
we decide *not* to bail out their peso? (4) Why isn't the
*laissez-faire* option being considered? The option of letting
Mexico handle its own peso crisis isn't even being considered.
We are being given the "choice" of either (a) bail out the
peso or (b) bail out the peso. Why not (c) hang on to our
money 'cause we need it here!?
Once again we are getting screwed and nothing is being said.
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THE GENTEEL WAY OF THE BANKER
[Excerpts from a chapter of the same name in *The Screwing of the
Average Man* by David Hapgood (Garden City: Doubleday, 1974)]
[CN -- Note that the author relies on the word "man" to refer to
men and women. I hope too great offense is not taken.]
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During the first third of the century bankers were often
synonymous with robber barons. [J.P. Morgan] left us such
industrial giants as U.S. Steel and AT&T. Morgan created these
and other corporate gold mines by using his capital to destroy
competition and bring one industry after another under the
control of one, or at most a handful of companies.
[Bankers have come to play the role of] faithful guardians of the
national economy, with such urges as their profit motive kept
discreetly under wraps. As John Kenneth Galbraith remarked, "If
anybody else is lobbying for a higher price, we take for granted
that they want more dough, but if a banker is lobbying for higher
interest rates, this is pure unadulterated righteousness.
Everybody else says they want more money, but let David
Rockefeller speak for higher interest rates and, boy, that's
statesmanship."
[Banks depend on our] almost total ignorance of things financial
to pull off some of the most outrageous, but always genteel,
screwings of them all. The genius of these bank heists is that
they never tamper with the principal, they just keep developing
new and better ways to avoid paying interest on it.
These days checking accounts are probably the bank swindle that
touches us the most directly. It is a rare soul who finds
anything odd in the way he is paying the bank ten cents a check
so the bank can lend out his money at 10 percent interest. And
those of us who thought we were outsmarting the game in signing
up for free checking by maintaining a minimum balance, say $500,
are in equally bad straits. Unless you are the sort who tries to
buy candy from vending machines by writing a check, you are
foregoing far more in lost interest on the $500 than you could
possibly save on the free checking.
Although the amount of an individual's loss is still not
breathtaking, interest-free checking accounts are perhaps the
biggest things banks have going for them. On any given day,
commercial banks -- the only ones allowed to handle checking
accounts -- are holding $200 billion in checking account money.
This amounts to 40 percent of these banks' assets and they don't
have to pay a penny of interest to use it. At 10 percent, the
bank customers are losing a total of $20 billion a year.
In the theoretical free market, competition would soon force all
banks to pay interest, or lose their checking accounts to the
more aggressive fellow across the street. But here's where the
federal government, that guardian of the free enterprise system,
comes in. Banks are protected from the rigors of competition by a
series of federal laws which produce monopoly behavior without
the inconvenience of actually creating a monopoly... The
government's role in the operation is also a perfect way to
deflect criticism from the banks, who are reaping the benefits...
If you complained to your local banker, he would patiently
explain that the decision was not made by him...
Although the thrill of the daring daylight bank robbery has
appealed to the American psyche since the heyday of Jesse James,
most bank-inflicted screwings have all the drama of a TV dinner.
Gentility is the watchword and most bank hustles are impeccably
legal, abstract and rather boring -- like the bankers
themselves... The swindles directly affecting the customer are
little noticed because the loss to the individual is small and,
because of their complexity, they are hard to detect. The big
swindles [CN -- e.g. the $40 billion "line of credit" to Mexico],
which invariably involve the government, do not arouse public
indignation because, though the swindle is obvious, it is far
from clear who is being taken by whom...
The perils of competition are held at bay by the difficulty of
getting into the banking business. Although opening a medium-
sized bank often requires less capital than starting a chain of
pizza parlors, you need considerably more to become a banker than
the requisite capital and the yen to close down operations at 3
p.m. every afternoon. The sine qua non to go into banking is a
charter, issued either by your state banking commissioner or the
U.S. Comptroller of the Currency. This is just another area where
the government shelters banking from the normal rigors of a
competitive economy. According to free enterprise theory such
decisions as starting a business are made by the investors, those
with money to lose, but when it comes to banking these decisions
are placed in the hands of the government regulators.
The criteria for getting a charter are pretty foggy, but
political clout generally helps on the state level. For the more
prestigious federal charters, the major criterion is a guarantee
that your bank won't hurt any existing banks. You not only have
to prove that your banking won't cause any other bank to fail,
but also that you won't even cause a dip in their profit margins.
Your clients will all be new ones: those who have just moved into
the area... Reduced to its simplest, this means that in an era of
zero population growth there would be no new banks.
The key phrase in all of this is "overbanking." Although never
precisely defined, it appears to refer to a competitive situation
where banks are forced to start offering free checking and a few
of the more aggressive units start grumbling loudly that they
want to pay interest on checking accounts, as well, to attract
even more deposits... Unhealthy competition was... on the
regulatory mind when an application for a bank charter on Key
Biscayne island, where the only bank is run by Charles G. (Bebe)
Rebozo [CN -- one of Nixon's buddies], was denied by the U.S.
Comptroller.
Regulators also screen banking personnel, not the $115-a-week
tellers, but the Ivy League vice-presidents, looking for those
most likely to launder money for the mob. Of course, laundering
money in the name of public service elicits quite a different
response from banking regulators. Some of the Mexican money that
paid for the Watergate burglary originally came from a
Minneapolis businessman, Dwayne Andreas, who shortly thereafter
received a federal charter to be the only banker in a giant new
shopping center in Minnetonka, Minnesota. Most applicants for a
bank charter are supposed to exude qualities like "character" and
"integrity."...
Once you have gained entry to the banking business, the water's
fine. As in any monopoly, the profits are high, the stress is
low, and the risk of loss is minimal... It is also getting harder
for the average man to get the fruits of those profits through
the corporate income tax, for the banks, while making more money,
have managed to reduce the amount they have to pay in taxes --
their effective tax rate, 38 percent in 1961, was down to 17
percent by 1972.
Government helps the banks help themselves in other ways as well.
Take the government's habit of leaving federal funds in interest-
free bank accounts... Following the laws of physics, these
deposits gravitate to those banks that already weigh the most. A
1972 House Banking Committee study found that just 102 big banks
hold 43 percent of these no-interest funds. And the largest
account is, not surprisingly, at David Rockefeller's Chase
Manhattan, followed by another Rockefeller bank, First National
City.
[...]
The banks put the government's money to good use -- with the
government itself. Banks invest much of that $6 billion in
interest-free federal deposits in U.S. Treasury bills,
[CN -- As I recall, they did this again just recently, when
the Fed dramatically lowered interest rates and the banks
then (instead of lending the money to you or I) put the money
into government bonds. In other words, the banks were getting
money from the Fed at 3 percent, then investing that money in
government bonds paying something like 6 percent. The banks
"made out like bandits".]
on which the government was paying, at this writing, about 8
percent. Thus, incredibly, the government is paying the bank 8
percent in order to borrow back the government's own money. From
the bank's point of view, it is collecting 8 percent for passing
the money from one government pocket to another.
[...]
It is not surprising that Uncle Sam is rather reticent about his
banking policies. Almost all government files on the granting of
bank charters, for example, are off limits because, in the words
of a former acting Comptroller General, "We don't want anyone to
come in here on a fishing trip."
The national debt, as it is now managed by the government, is
another vast bonanza for the banks, and an equally large disaster
for the average man. Since 1953, the government has allowed banks
to buy a piece of the national debt... Congressman Wright
Patman... believes that letting the banks in on the national debt
has cost the public from $350 to $500 billion since 1953. Part of
this is billed indirectly to the average man, in higher taxes to
finance the higher interest rates his government has to pay. Part
of it hits him indirectly -- in mortgages at 8.5 percent, as of
this writing, almost twice the pre-1953 rate, and in higher
interest on all his other forms of borrowing... The government
has managed the national debt in such a way as to maximize bank
profits and add to the interest costs to the general public...
Hardly anyone protests, or even notices, the handling of the
national debt, though the impact on the public is obvious. ITT
makes headlines when it raids the government, while the banks go
on quietly picking up much larger booty. This is the genius of
banking: the bankers take us in ways that are discreet,
complicated, legal and boring...
The national debt swindle is far too abstract, too lacking in
drama or obvious villains, to stick in most people's minds. The
government's subsidizing of banks with interest-free accounts is
a model of discretion. No taxpayer's money is actually delivered
to the banks; there is no budget item reading "bank subsidy." The
government merely fails to collect from the banks, and nowhere in
its accounts is there a listing for "failed to collect from
banks: $400 million." The hustling of the client is done by
rules... so well established that they are rarely questioned. The
treatment is administered in a spirit of sober responsibility;
there are no used car dealers in this business. If you don't mind
being considered dull, banking may be the best way to do it.
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MURDER, BANK FRAUD, DRUGS, AND SEX
By Nicholas A. Guarino
[List of victims from pamphlet]
Victim #1: On September 26, 1993, Luther "Jerry" Parks enjoyed a
nice dinner at a Mexican restaurant in Little Rock.
On the way home, his car was forced to a stop and he was mowed
down by unfriendlies with nine-millimeter semiautomatic pistols.
The coroner pulled nine bullets from Jerry's body. I believe we
can safely rule out suicide on this one. And it doesn't sound
like your standard drive-by shooting, either. In fact, witnesses
claim the hit man was a former state trooper who was very close
to Bill Clinton.
Jerry was the owner of American Contract Services, which supplied
the guards for Clinton's presidential campaign and transition
headquarters. (Clinton still owed him $81,000.) So he knew a lot
about Clinton's comings and goings.
As a matter of fact, Jerry had quietly been compiling a major
study of Clinton's sexual affairs for about six years. Not
quietly enough, though. Shortly before his demise, his home was
broken into and the study's backup files -- filled with photos
and names -- were stolen, according to his widow, Jane... after
the security alarm was skilfully cut. Nothing else was taken.
His big mistake: "He threatened Clinton," Jane said, "saying he'd
go public if he didn't get his $81,000." And then came the end.
The *London Sunday Telegraph* quoted Jerry's son Gary, 23,
stating the obvious: "...they had my father killed to save Bill
Clinton's political career."
After a long investigation, Little Rock police detective Sergeant
Clyde Steelman gave his character endorsement: "The Parks family
aren't lying to you."
But unless you live in Arkansas, you probably never heard about
Jerry Parks. If you lived in London (or Nairobi or Hong Kong) you
would know more. Whitewater and other Clinton scandals are a
*far* bigger story overseas. Many foreign observers feel the
Whitewater coverup is the biggest one in the world in fifty or
sixty years.
[...]
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Victim #2: You must understand the central fact about the
Whitewater Development Corporation: It was *not* the main crime.
Whitewater was only a pretext set up by Jim McDougal and the
Clintons to milk millions of dollars from the SBA [Small Business
Administration], banks, Arkansas Development Finance Authority,
and Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan (which was later bailed out
by us taxpayers to the tune of $65 million).
The Resolution Trust Corporation [RTC] people eventually figured
out that their investigation of Madison wasn't getting anywhere
because it was based in Kansas City, where Clinton's people
stymied it. So Jon Parnell Walker, a Senior Investigation
Specialist in the RTC's Washington office, began a campaign to
get the case moved to DC.
Soon after, Jon was looking over a possible new apartment in
Lincoln Towers in Arlington, Virginia, when reportedly he
suddenly decided to climb over the balcony railing and jump.
Jon's friends, family, and co-workers all agree on one fact: This
man was *not* depressed. Maybe he was just impulsive.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Victim #3: You remember the name Danny Ferguson. He is the
Arkansas patrolman who once said he brought Paula Jones to Bill
Clinton's hotel room.
Kathy, 38, his wife at the time, blabbed a lot about such things.
She often told friends and co-workers about how Bill had gotten
Danny to bring women to him and stand watch while they had sex.
(Altogether, Bill had hundreds of women brought to him, sometimes
several a day. Young, pretty women pulled over for speeding or
whatever would be offered a choice between a jail sentence or a
trip to go see Bill.)
Part of Danny's job was to make sure that each woman was ready
and willing when Bill met her. Kathy told people that Bill was
*really* mad when Paula Jones wouldn't "put out." Bill hates to
be refused.
On May 10, [1994] Kathy was found dead with a pistol in her hand.
A suicide, the police said. Only three problems with this:
a. Women rarely use guns to kill themselves.
b. I can't find anyone who *ever* heard of a nurse shooting
herself. (Why should they? They know all the right dosages
for pills, and they have access to them.)
c. I've talked to three of the six nurses who worked most
closely with Kathy at Baptist Memorial in Little Rock. They
gave me, in no uncertain terms, a loud message to convey to
you: "NO WAY did Kathy Ferguson kill herself." They are
irate.
Footnote to story: About three weeks later, Danny reversed his
story, saying he didn't lead Paula to Clinton's room after all.
Second footnote: Bill Shelton, Kathy's new boyfriend (since her
separation from Danny), was loudly critical of the suicide story
and complained to many people about it. Bill was found dead on
June 9. They're calling this a suicide, too. (Perhaps it was. I
haven't checked it out yet.)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Victim #4: Vincent Foster, who was Clinton's counsel for
Whitewater, was the highest government official to meet an
untimely death since the Kennedys.
He *could* have killed himself on July 20, 1993, as Robert Fiske,
Clinton's "independent" counsel claimed. But it's rather
doubtful. The story line concocted by Fiske has about 20 major
holes in it -- which partly explains his replacement by Kenneth
Starr. A few examples:
** Official photos show the alleged suicide gun in Vince's
right hand. Trouble is, he was left-handed. (Of course, a hit
man wouldn't have known that.) Fiske ignored this in his
report.
** Vince went out and hired two lawyers on July 19. As
Clinton's man in charge of covering up Whitewater, he had
failed badly and could see everything was about to unravel
(which it began to do in Arkansas the very next day).
Question: Why pay for a lawyer to launch a defense and then
shoot yourself a day later? Fiske ignored this.
** After a somewhat hurried lunch in his office July 20,
Vince grabbed his jacket and left the White House with the
words, "I'll be back." And then we are supposed to believe,
apparently, that he picked up a White House beeper, drove to
his Georgetown townhouse, got a gun, drove to a lonely park
in Arlington, walked 200 yards to a steep slope, went down
into some thick bushes, sat down, shot himself and *then*
threw his glasses 13 feet away through heavy brush, and wound
up lying down supine and perfectly straight, legs together,
with arms straight down at his side, the gun *still* in his
hand, and trickles of blood running from his mouth in several
directions, including uphill. What's wrong with this picture?
** Where's the bullet? None was ever found even after a
massive search and excavation. Could it be that the police
and FBI looked in the wrong place? Sgt. George Gonzalez (the
first paramedic on the scene) and his boss both insisted they
found Foster 200 feet from the official spot. If they're
right, then why was the body moved?
** Where are the fingerprints on the gun? There were none!
** Where are the skull fragments? None were ever found.
Normally, a .38 will blow out a 4" to 5" hole, with blood and
brains everywhere. Because of the mess and the noise, most
sophisticated hit men today repack their cartridges with a
half charge. This explains the tiny, one-inch hole in the
back of Vince's head. Fiske skipped this.
** Who is the mystery blonde whose hairs were found on
Vince? And why did Fiske not mention that carpet fibers and
semen were found on his [Foster's] shorts? In this age of
detective movies, how could anyone think such clues unworthy
of mention in a serious report?
Sadly, the real reason Fiske was sacked by that 3-judge
panel was not to preserve an "appearance of impartiality," as
the papers said. They were simply tipped off that Fiske was
rapidly burying everything he could. For instance, when David
Hale's trial judge refused to keep Bill Clinton's name
entirely *out* of Hale's testimony, Fiske immediately stopped
the trial and changed his charge from a huge felony to a
small misdemeanor -- with a vastly reduced sentence!
[...to be continued...]
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MURDER, BANK FRAUD, DRUGS, AND SEX
By Nicholas A. Guarino
[List of victims from pamphlet]
[...continued...]
** Where's the suicide note? Vince [Foster] wrote an
unsigned *outline* of a resignation letter, which Clinton's
counsel Bernard Nussbaum kept for six days, tore into 27
pieces (without leaving one single fingerprint -- try that!),
then changed his mind and let the bright yellow pieces
strangely appear in Vince's briefcase, which the police and
FBI had already inspected and found to be empty. But this
"suicide note" says nothing about suicide, of course. And the
final letter is missing.
** Today, thanks to the drug trade, hit men have polished
the "staged suicide" to an exact science. If any sign of a
struggle remains, the killer has failed his task. The trick
is to persuade the victim he'll be OK if he cooperates -- and
then shoot suddenly. In the vile jargon of the professional
assassins I've had the misfortune of meeting, "Ya gotta
butter up a turkey before ya roast 'im." To my utter
amazement, neither Fiske nor the Senate investigators knew
anything about how hit men work today.
** I could go on and on. Fiske quoted reports -- even an
anonymous one -- from visitors to the park [Fort Marcy Park]
that day. But some witnesses also saw "a menacing-looking
Hispanic man" by a white van with its big door open near
Vince's car just before the body was found. Fiske left that
out.
** Instead of allowing Vince's office to be sealed after his
death, top Clinton staffers Bernie Nussbaum, Patsy Thomasson,
and Maggie Williams frantically rifled it for "national
security matters" (read: incriminating Whitewater documents)
and carted them off to Hillary's closet upstairs. In a
stunning show of chutzpah, they even made the park police and
FBI agents sit in the hallway for two hours while they did
it. And Nussbaum later claimed it was only ten minutes! (An
FBI agent disclosed to me that a file was opened for
*obstruction* *of* *justice*, but Bill had it closed.)
Why would anybody want a nice, gentle fellow like Vince Foster
killed and his body dumped in a park? For some excellent reasons,
which I detail in my book, *The Impeached President*. [CN --
Apparently available by writing to *The Wall Street Underground*,
1129 East Cliff Road, Burnsville, Minnesota 55337]...
But the #1 reason is that Vince knew far too much and he had to
go because he was about to crack -- and that would have ended the
Clinton presidency right there and then.
Suppose, however, it *was* a suicide. Suppose Whitewater was
becoming such a horror that suicide seemed better than facing the
music.
What then?
Then the only logical explanation is scenario #2, as follows:
** Vince's Whitewater coverup was coming apart. Facts were
popping up in the press and people were talking. For
instance, Clinton's partner in Whitewater, Jim McDougal, had
gone to Little Rock attorney and 1990 Republican
gubernatorial candidate Sheffield Nelson and made a taped
statement which I have heard, saying:
I could sink it [the coverup] quicker than they could lie
about it if I could get in a position so I wouldn't have
my head beaten off. And Bill knows that.
** So sensitive was Vince to criticism that he was still
bothered about the heat he was getting for his role in
Travelgate. In fact, Fiske stated that those close to Vince
thought that "the single greatest source of his distress was
the criticism he... received following the firing of seven
employees from the White House Travel Office." Little did
they know the whole story. Vince had to keep Whitewater
details bottled up inside -- even at home.
** On the day Vince shot himself, he received a shocking
phone call from an attorney at Arkansas' Rose Law Firm saying
that FBI Director William Sessions was about to subpoena the
documents of Judge David Hale. Hale was a Clinton appointee
who charged that Clinton forced him to give fraudulent SBA
loans of millions of dollars to Clinton's friends. In the
Senate hearings, Clinton's people denied such a call took
place, but I know for a definite fact that it did. And I'm
backed up by the Rose phone billings and Vince's phone log.
Also, Sen. Christopher Bond (R.-Mo.) later confirmed that the
call was from "an old friend" at Rose.
** About this time, Clinton fired his FBI Director -- a step
so desperate that no President had ever taken it.
** Vince realized that the genie was out of the bottle. He
had confided to his brother-in-law, former congressman Beryl
Anthony, that he was very worried that Congress itself was
about to launch a criminal probe into his affairs. (In this
scenario, the "suicide note" was actually the "opening
argument for his defense" before Congress -- a defense which
Vince told his wife he wrote on July 11.)
** He was sure that in such a probe, the easy-going David
Hale would spill the beans and drag in Gov. Tucker, Steve
Smith, Madison Marketing, Castle Grande, Whitewater, Vince
himself -- and, inevitably, Bill Clinton. He mentally added
up the fines and prison terms he would face for concealing
Bill's crimes -- many of which he had taken a supporting role
in. The totals were horrendous. And the thought of being a
central figure in America's first presidential impeachment
[CN -- Pres. Andrew Johnson was the first impeachment
trial, although he, in the end, was not actually impeached.]
was too much for his quiet mind to bear. He told his wife and
sister that he was thinking of resigning. (But he still
couldn't let on about the Whitewater crisis.)
** He was cracking up. Everyone around him agreed he looked
and sounded terrible. The Desyrel prescribed by his doctor
didn't help. So when the call came about Hale's subpoena, he
had to go home and think things over. But there, alas, he
could think of no way out. So he put two bullets in his
revolver, drove across the Potomac to the first quiet spot he
found, hid himself in some bushes where he could pray in
solitude, and pulled the trigger.
That's the most probable *suicide* scenario. Unfortunately for
Clinton, it's almost as damning as the murder scenario.
Today everyone -- from Vince's family to the press to the White
House -- professes to be baffled by Vince's death. "How on
earth," they wonder, "could such a typical Washington flap as
Travelgate cause Vince to be so depressed?"
Under either scenario, the plain answer is: It didn't.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Victims #5 & #6: Then you have the small-plane crashes, which are
fairly easy events to stage. Hit men commonly use any of five
quick, simple, techniques.
One method was used on the first two victims, C. Victor Raiser
II, the former finance co-chairman of Clinton's presidential
campaign, and his son, Montgomery. Their plane crashed in good
weather near Anchorage, Alaska, on July 30, 1992. I respected
Raiser as a man of integrity, but he was caught up in a lot of
shenanigans of the campaign -- though he didn't like them.
Eventually, he soured on Clinton and thus became a potential
major leak and a big threat to Bill's presidency.
[CN -- A biographical note seems to be in order: The author of
this sketch, Nicholas A. Guarino is editor of *The Wall Street
Underground*. Among many other things, he lived for 20 years in
Arkansas and personally knew Commander Billy Jeff, Jim Blair,
Vince Foster, Jim McDougal, David Hale, Don Tyson, Governor
Tucker, "and dozens more of that bunch." He uses his own
extensive research as well as "numerous informants" to "warn
others of the acute dangers of evil, power-hungry men in
positions of influence." Today, he lives "in a scenic, secluded
place as far from Arkansas as he can get."]
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Victim #7: Herschel Friday was another member of Raiser's
committee and a heck of a nice guy. His plane dropped out of site
and exploded as he approached his own private landing strip in
Arkansas in a light drizzle on March 1, 1994. Herschel was a top-
notch pilot and his strip is better than those in most cities. (I
know because I almost had to use it once when my own plane's
carburetor started backfiring.)
[...to be continued...]
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MURDER, BANK FRAUD, DRUGS, AND SEX
By Nicholas A. Guarino
[List of victims from pamphlet]
[...continued...]
Victim #8: Just two days later, Dr. Ronald Rogers, a very vocal
dentist from Royal, Arkansas, was on his way to reveal some dirt
on Clinton to Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, a reporter from the
*London Sunday Telegraph*, when his twin-engine Cessna crashed
with a full tank of gas in clear weather south of Lawton,
Oklahoma. His pilot had just radioed that he was having trouble
and needed to refuel in Lawton. (I'm 98% sure of the technique
that killed both Rogers and Friday; it drops your fuel gauge to
"empty," then cuts off your fuel when you tilt forward to land --
and leaves no trace of a clue for investigators.)
There have been six other air crash deaths of former Clinton
intimates and advisors, but I believe they were true accidents.
In fact, in the course of about 50 radio/TV interviews, I've
talked with a number of people who blame every accident since the
Titanic on Clinton. This foolishness distresses me greatly
because it discredits the actual known murders. Yes, there are
likely hundreds of deaths among people connected in some remote
way to Clinton's scandals, but the probable murders are pretty
much limited to those you see in this special report -- and even
some of these could be accidents...
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Victim #9: But Barry Seal's death was no accident. His story is
so exciting that Hollywood made it into a movie (*Double-
Crossed*), starring Dennis Hopper and Adrienne Barbeau.
Barry made about $50 million as a pilot and plane supplier in
Clinton's incredibly elaborate and successful drug-running
operation out of Mena, Arkansas.
Iran-Contra was conceived as a simple scheme to use the
Ayatollah's money to send guns to the Contra freedom fighters.
But from that humble, Ollie North beginning, it blossomed into
the great Arkansas dream. Virtually every load of Chinese AK-47s
(plus light machine guns, grenades, and other small ordnance)
taken from Mena to Nicaragua was matched by a return load of dope
and cash flown in from Columbia via Panama or the Cayman Islands
on "black flights" that Customs officials and air traffic
controllers were instructed to ignore.
According to an exhaustive, top-selling new book entitled
*Compromised*, by Terry Reed and John Cummings (which I found
highly accurate), pilots were bringing back and air-dropping over
$9 million a week in cash, which was properly laundered and then
went into Arkansas industries owned by friends of Gov. Clinton.
(*Not* into Clinton's pockets -- he didn't usually do that kind
of thing except to pay off campaign debts and favors.) And in
case you're wondering why Bill needed his land scams when he had
all that drug money available, the answer is, the drug operations
came later.
Incidentally, the money was laundered through such sterling banks
as BCCI [Bank of Credit and Commerce International]. Remember
them? I discussed BCCI's involvement extensively with its
Panamanian president.
Five or six of the CIA subcontractor pilots running the gun-drug
loop under Barry Seal have said that Nella (near Mena) was chosen
as the base for training Contra soldiers mainly because its
terrain and foliage were so similar to Nicaragua. Many local
residents still recall camouflaged Latinos holding maneuvers in
the countryside -- but they all agree it's not healthy to talk
about it too much.
Iran-Contra was an impressive operation on both ends. I still
remember standing on the deck of a flat-deck, flat-bottom supply
boat used to run guns upriver to the Contras in Nicaragua. It was
loaded to the gunwhales with Russian-made rifles, machine guns,
rocket-propelled grenades, etc., in Chinese-marked boxes. The
captain and his partner, a German arms dealer, invited me to
sample the merchandise, so I pried the lids off a couple of
wooden cases, took out some AK-47s, and sprayed a few clips
around the woods. (Very nice guns, but I wasn't in the market.)
In case this begins to sound like a far-right hallucination, you
should know that some liberal groups (ever opposed to CIA tricks)
concur. For instance, *The Wall Street Journal* said on June 29:
There is even one public plea that Special Counsel Robert
Fiske should investigate possible links between Mena and the
savings-and-loan association involved in Whitewater. The plea
was sounded by the Arkansas Committee, a left-leaning group
of former University of Arkansas students who have carefully
tracked the Mena affair for years.
I wish them luck. And good health. The Arkansas Attorney General,
the IRS, and the state police have been met for fifteen years
with "a wall of obfuscation and obstruction" erected by the
Clinton circle of power -- which is EVERYWHERE in Arkansas.
According to *Penthouse*, which is not exactly noted for being a
far-right magazine:
He [Clinton] controlled virtually all the 2,000 handpicked
appointees to an array of boards and commissions that
effectively rule the state... Anyone seeking to do business
with the state -- and that included just about everybody
running a business -- learned to expect direct solicitations
by Clinton's campaign finance people.
Polk County Prosecutor Charles Black, to his credit, once even
sat down with Clinton himself and pleaded for a state
investigation of Mena!
Bill said that "he would get a man on it and get back to me,"
Black recalls. That was in 1988. Black is still sitting by his
phone. (I'm sure Bill got a kick out of that interview. I recall
him grinning as he made some comment about "dumb Arkies" one
afternoon at the brokerage I owned in Harrison -- one of a dozen
or so occasions when we spent time together.)
But at the risk of sounding as bad as Bill, I must remind you
that, after all, this *is* Arkansas... where:
** One governor before Clinton had every concrete-and-steel
bridge in the state insured for fire (yes, fire). Guess who
owned the insurance company.
** Another governor, being indicted for fraud, simply canned
the judge and replaced him with the town drunk, who then
dismissed the grand jury.
So just think of Bill as a traditional, Arkansas kind of
politician.
But I digress. Barry Seal was eventually arrested by the Federal
Drug Enforcement Administration [DEA]. To get off the hook, he
turned state's evidence and fingered several big drug dealers. He
even managed to take clandestine photographs of major Columbian
and Panamanian figures, one of which President Reagan showed
proudly in a nationwide TV speech.
But in the end, the DEA betrayed the flamboyant Barry by allowing
him to be sentenced to a halfway house, where a few days later he
was a sitting duck for three Columbian avengers with Uzi and MAC-
10 submachine guns with silencers. The ending wasn't pretty, but
it made a hard-hitting movie.
Why did the DEA dump Barry? Perhaps because, as Clinton observed
to Terry Reed, "Seal just got too damn big for his britches and
that scum basically deserved to die, in my opinion..."
I'm not saying Bill ran Iran-Contra. He didn't -- not even the
Arkansas half of it. But five men in the Mena operation (sorry, I
can't reveal their names to you) have affirmed that he provided
their cover as governor and "rode herd" on them through the
Intelligence Division of the state police. Other high officials
helped. Why? Because the Arkansas state bonds program (ADFA)
received 10 percent of the net profits -- plus the *use* of 100
percent of the gross in their banks as they laundered it. Quite a
boost to the economy!
At least that was the deal cut with Clinton. But the Mena
operations (code-named *Centaur Rose* and *Jade Bridge* by
Reagan's CIA Director Wm. Casey) finally had to be yanked from
Arkansas and moved to Mexico under the name Operation *Screw
Worm*. Simple reason: Bill and friends just couldn't resist
putting Arkansas' hand deeper into the till than they were
supposed to.
In fact, eyewitness Reed details at length the tense meeting in
which William P. Barr -- later President Bush's Attorney General
-- breaks the bad news to a very angry Clinton. (Sorry, I must
condense the conversation greatly. You've got to read his book!)
On a March night in 1986, they met with Reed, Oliver North, and
two other CIA men in a musty, poorly-lit World War II ammunition
bunker at Camp Robinson outside Little Rock.
After several sharp exchanges and traded insults, Barr said, "The
deal we made was to launder our money through your bond business.
What we didn't plan on was you... shrinking our laundry... That's
why we're pulling the operation out of Arkansas. It's become a
liability for us. We don't need live liabilities."
"What do ya' mean, live liabilities?" Clinton demanded.
"There's no such thing as a dead liability. It's an oxymoron, get
it? Oh, or don't you Rhodes Scholars study things like that?"
Barr snapped.
"What! Are you threatenin' us? Because if ya' are..."
>From that point on, Barr was able to smooth things out, and he
concluded with the most eye-opening passage of the book:
You and your state have been our greatest asset. The beauty
of this, as you know, is that you're a Democrat, and with our
ability to influence both parties, this country can get
beyond partisan gridlock. Mr. Casey wanted me to pass on to
you that unless you f*** up and do something stupid, you're
No. 1 on the short list for a shot at the job you've always
wanted [meaning the Presidency]. That's pretty heady stuff,
Bill. So why don't you help us keep a lid on this and we'll
all be promoted together.
You and guys like us are the fathers of the new government.
Hell, we're the new covenant.
An amazing statement, wasn't it? Especially for 1986.
[...to be continued...]
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FLYING HIGH WITH COMMANDER BILLY JEFF
"A Scenario"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Billy Jeff put on the epaulettes and looked in the mirror. "Now I
truly am a Commander!" he exclaimed. "Commander Billy Jeff!"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"The Commander" snuck out back behind the White House to puff on
a cigar. "I sure do hope Hillary doesn't find out!"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
The wind wreaked havoc on his $200 hairdo. "Aw darnit, anyway!"
he groaned. "Oh well. I'll just open a $200 line of credit and
get another haircut!"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Commander Billy Jeff threw down the old stogie. "Say. I sure am
horny," he thought.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Marie, the new White House maid, was dusting the Lincoln Bedroom.
She wore the latest skimpy French maid's outfit. Commander Billy
Jeff entered the bedroom, shut the door, and locked it behind
him. He pulled down his pants. "Mon Dieu!" exclaimed Marie. "I am
not paid for thees!"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
The Commander advanced toward Marie. "Come here, Frenchy. It's a
matter of national security," he ordered.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Marie ran around the advancing Billy Jeff and his erect member,
narrowly escaping his grasping paws. She tried opening the door
-- but it was locked! He was in hot pursuit!
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
The door was unlocked from the other side. In walked Hillary.
"Thank Heaven!" thought Marie. "That bitch ruined my fun,"
muttered Billy Jeff.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Marie escaped, at least for the time being. Hillary spoke to the
Commander: "For God's sake, pull your pants up, will you? You're
supposed to be an intellectual, remember?"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Hillary came closer. "Say, what's that I smell?" she asked. "Why
it smells like a stinky old cigar!" Billy Jeff began to cower.
"I, I, I..."
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Hillary exploded. "Billy Jeff!" she shrieked. "You know you're
only allowed to smoke marijuana in here!" She socked Billy Jeff
hard -- POW! -- right in his now-wilting member.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
He sure didn't look like any "Commander" now, not moaning on the
floor with his pants down, holding his pained member, in the
Lincoln Bedroom of the White House. Hillary stalked out in a
huff. "Oh gee whiz. That bitch is always ruining my fun," he
blubbered as the tears fell down his face.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
After a few minutes, Commander Billy Jeff felt a little better. A
happy thought occurred to him: "Hey! My brother Roger is in town
with his hillbilly band!"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
The Commander picked up the phone. "Secret Service? Get some
limousines out back, pronto. It's a diplomatic mission."
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Riding in the back of a limousine, on the way to the seedy side
of town where Roger's hillbilly band was playing a "gig", Billy
Jeff poured himself a tall, cool whisky sour. "Say, can't you go
any faster?!" he snapped at the driver.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
The limousine pulled up in front of a cheap tavern in the seedy
side of town. "Keep the motor running, and put it on my line of
credit!" laughed Billy Jeff as he exited the limousine.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
But Roger wasn't there! "Dog-gonnit! I wanted to have some fun!"
complained Commander Billy Jeff. The bartender and one old boozer
were the only other ones inside the bar.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Where's Roger and his hillbilly band?" inquired Billy Jeff.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Aw, those guys? They were shit," said the bartender. "Those bums
couldn't make it even if they were the President's relatives! We
threw those bums out last night."
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Commander Billy Jeff felt his ears turn red. He was getting very
angry. "Threw them out... threw them out..." he fumed.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
A black cloud seemed to form over Billy Jeff's head. "...threw
them out..."
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
He advanced toward the bartender. "Say," he said very quietly.
"You can't throw people around like that. Don't you know that's
illegal?"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
The bartender looked up from where he was polishing glasses.
"Huh?" he asked.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Billy Jeff stood full up against the bar. "Don't you know that's
illegal? Don't you know we can be 'tough on crime'?" he uttered
venomously.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
The bartender began to look worried. "Hey. We cancelled them,
that's all."
[...to be continued...]
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I received the following from a CN reader who wishes to remain
anonymous. What I plan to do is post the entire document over a
period of time, most likely in weekly installments. Here is part 10.
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
CONSPIRACY:
THE INVISIBLE SECOND RUNG OF GOVERNMENT
An Investigation and Discussion of that Part of the United
States Government Which We Did Not Elect, Which Is Not
Accountable, Which Is Unconstitutional, Which Is Engaged In
Unlawful and Unconstitutional Activity, and Then Hides Behind
the National Security Act of 1947
PART I :
CITATION AND SUMMARY OF SOURCES
(continued)
34. Kah, Gary H., En Route to Global Occupation, Lafayette,
Louisiana, Huntington House Publishers, 1992. Kah is a high-
ranking government liaison and author. Summary: Documents plans
for a one-world government based on Kah's more than ten thousand
hours of research. These plans include a cash-less society,
wherein electronic transfers of money take place using user-ID
cards, invisible bar code tatoos, or computer chips smaller than
a human hair inserted under the skin by injection.
The plans encompass methods that include economic control, media
control, and political control.
The economic control encompasses controlling the American economy
through big bank mergers, the Federal Reserve, and tax-exempt
foundations protecting big money families. Many congressmen and
political activists have attempted to investigate and expose
these financial manipulations, as well as call for an audit or
repeal of the Federal Reserve, including Representative Wright
Patman of Texas, Congressman Charles Lindbergh, Sr., Congressman
Louis T. McFadden, Congressman Carroll Reece, Congressman Larry
P. McDonald, Senator John Heinz, and Senator John Tower, Senator
Jesse Helms, Lt. Col. Archibald Roberts, Congressman John Rarick,
Senator Jack Metcalf, Representative Henry Gonzales of Texas,
Representative Phil Crane of Illinois. As a result, some have
been harassed and even killed in so-called accidents.
Congressional committee investigations have concluded that
basically those behind tax-exempt foundations and those behind
the Federal Reserve are basically all the same people. The top
eight stockholders in the Federal Reserve include: Rothschild
Banks of London and Berlin (the Rothschild family was closely
allied with Freemasonry); Lazard Brothers Banks of Paris; Israel
Moses Seif Banks of Italy; Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam;
Lehman Brothers Bank of New York; Kuhn, Loeb Bank of New York;
Chase Manhattan Bank of New York; and Goldman, Sachs Bank of New
York.
Political control is also one of their plans. The tax-exempt
foundations were found to reach "far into government, into the
policymaking circles of Congress and into the State Department."
The foundations served not just as tax shelters, but also to fund
major think-tanks which have influenced "virtually every aspect
of American life." The think-tanks served to shape public
opinion, to promote certain teachers and experts in foreign
affairs, to dominate "learned journals in international affairs,"
to appoint State Department officials to foundation jobs,
controlling academic research of social sciences, public
education and international affairs through funding grants and
controlling research monies, and to appoint foundation officials
to State Department jobs. At least "one foreign foundation
[originated by Cecil Rhodes, a close ally of the Rothschilds and
European Freemasonry] was allied with the major U.S. foundations
in shaping our foreign policy."
Foundations, businesses, families, banks, think-tanks, and
capitalists mentioned in connection with these plans include:
The Rothschilds, the Warburgs, Kuhn, Loeb, J.P. Morgan,
Rockefellers, the Carnegies, Standard Oil, Chemical Bank, the
Harrimans, Chase Manhattan, Citibank, Exxon, Mobil, Sohio,
Marathon, Phillips 66, Chevron, Humble Oil, Arco, Texaco,
Rockefeller Foundation, Ford Foundation, Carnegie Foundation,
Guggenheim Foundation, United Nations Association, Institute of
Pacific Relations, Council on Foreign Relations, Rhodes
Scholarship Fund, Trilateral Commission, Royal Institute of
International Affairs, Dartmouth Conference, Aspen Institute for
Humanistic Studies, Atlantic Institute, Club of Rome,
Bilderberger Group, the Nobel prize, Brookings Institute, Rand
Corporation, Hudson Institute, Middle East Institute,
International Monetary Fund, and World Bank.
>From the perspective of those involved in the conspiracy,
national boundaries, political philosophies, and constitutions
simply do not matter. "All that matters to this club is the
maximization of profits resulting from the practice of what can
be described as finance capitalism, a system which rests upon the
twin pillars of debt and monopoly. This isn't real capitalism.
It is the road to economic concentration and to political
slavery."
Many divisions of our government are dominated by Freemasonry,
CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) and TC (Trilateral Commission)
members, including State Department, Treasury Department,
National Security Council, the Presidency of the United States,
Federal Reserve officials, Defense Department, U.S. ambassadors,
National Security Advisors, Secretary of Defense, Supreme Allied
Commander of Europe, U.S. ambassadors to NATO, CIA Directors,
Attorney General, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
"Not only have presidents belonged to these organizations, but
the candidates running on the opposing tickets have, almost
without exception, been members as well....Regardless of who gets
elected, the same agenda moves forward, because candidates from
both parties are consistently drawn from the same school of
thought espousing" a new world order.
Media control is also part of their plan. Democracy does not
stand a chance against such a conspiracy as long as there is no
free press to keep the U.S. citizens informed. The media were
also found to be dominated by CFR and TC members, including
William Paley, Dan Rather, Harry Reasoner, Bill Moyers, Tom
Brokaw, John Chancellor, Marvin Kalb, Irving R. Levine, David
Brinkley, John Scali, Barbara Walters, Daniel Schorr, Robert
McNeil, Jim Lehrer, and Hodding Carter III. Various
congressional reports indicate a growing control of CBS, NBC, and
ABC stock by the Rockefeller family bank, Chase Manhattan.
"Independent newspapers [531 in 1983, down from 1,381 in 1945]
have also been the target of establishment takeovers and
mergers....Major newspapers, [magazines, and book publishers]
influenced by CFR" and/or TC members include New York Times,
Newsweek, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, Dow Jones & Co.,
Boston Globe, Baltimore Sun, Chicago Sun Times, Los Angeles
Times, Houston Post, Minneapolis Star, Arkansas Gazette, Des
Moines Register, USA Today, Denver Post, Time, Life, People,
Fortune, Money, Sports Illustrated, Business Week, US News &
World Report, Saturday Review, Reader's Digest, Atlantic Monthly,
McCalls, Harpers, MacMillan, Random House, Harper & Row, Cowles
Publishing, Simon & Schuster, McGraw-Hill, Viking Press, Little
Brown & Co., Harper Brothers, Xerox Corporation, IBM Publishing &
Printing, Yale University Press, and newspapers in more than 40
other U.S. cities.
The Rockefeller and Carnegie Foundations have influenced the
education of American children. During this century, they
supplied or stimulated prominent funding for institutions of
higher learning. In the early 1930's they backed John Dewey's
socialist philosophy. They financed the writing of textbooks,
the National Education Association, and teacher training schools.
Rene Wormser, Counsel for the Senate investigative Reece
Committee said that these "foundations nurtured some of the most
ardent academic advocates of upsetting the American system and
supplanting it with a Socialist state....By 1934 the NEA adopted
John Dewey's philosophy of humanism, socialism, and globalism,
and incorporated it into the classroom." At this same time Dewey
went to Russia and organized the Marxist system of education
there.
These foundations "also spent millions of dollars on rewriting
history books and creating textbooks that undermined patriotism
and free enterprise." One series of textbooks espoused Marxist
propaganda to such an "extent that the California legislature
refused to appropriate money for them."
The author's investigation into Freemasonry included interviewing
former and current members, some of whom had reached the level of
either Thirty-Second or Thirty-Third degree. "The testimonies of
current Masons differed drastically from those of Masons who had
left the Order. Current members expressed no knowledge
whatsoever of any higher religious aims of the Order. They were
fiercely loyal to the lodge and told me that Freemasonry was
nothing more than an international secret fraternity based on
good works. Former Masons, on the other hand, offered views that
could not have been more opposite from those of their
counterparts. They told me that the organization was anti-Christ
and that it was dangerous, particularly in its higher levels,
citing the previous as their main reason for leaving, adding that
it was Luciferically-inspired....[Regarding the discrepancy] I
concluded that current members either would not reveal what they
knew because of the oaths of secrecy they had taken or else they
truly were unaware of these things, not yet having reached a
level where they were exposed to the underlying purpose of their
Order." One researcher had gathered secret Masonic materials and
writings for over twenty years "from widows of deceased Masons
who were unaware of the significance of the Order and its
literature." The Illuminati and Knights Templars received
repeated mention throughout, confirming that Freemasonry is a
continuation of the Illuminati.
Historically, the high level Masons (above Thirty-Third degree)
took their teachings from the Illuminati, who in turn took their
teachings from the Knights Templars, who in turn took their
teachings from the Gnostics. The Gnostics believed God had two
sons, Satanael, the elder son, and Jesus, the younger son.
Satanael, "filled with pride, he rebelled against his Father and
fell from Heaven," creating the visible world, "man, and the
serpent which became his minister. Later Christ came to earth in
order to show men the way to Heaven, but His death was
ineffectual, for even by descending into Hell He could not wrest
the power from Satanael. This belief in the impotence of Christ
and the necessity therefore for placating Satan, not only 'Prince
of this world,' but its creator, led to the further doctrine that
Satan, being all-powerful, should be adored" and worshipped.
The Knights Templars were initially a religious and military
organization during the crusades, composed of nobles who were
"granted favors by many European rulers and gained possession of
property throughout the continent. Through gifts of land and
money, the Templars became extremely wealthy and powerful." By
1300 "the Templars, through their enormous wealth and widespread
organization, had become the bankers of Europe...."
According to an official text of the Masons, Morals and Dogma,
"Their watchword was, to become wealthy in order to buy the
world." Later the King of France arrested the Knights Templars
and conducted an investigation. "The knights confessed to a
variety of notorious crimes and admitted to taking blasphemous
oaths against Jesus Christ upon admission into the order." These
crimes consisted of spitting upon the crucifix, committing
obscenities, and practicing unnatural vices (sodomy). The Pope
intervened to protect his papal jurisdiction. Later, due to
mounting public pressure, he launched his own investigation for
fear the King's had involved torture. The Pope's investigation
revealed the same results. In front of witnesses and without
torture, the knights admitted to abominations, indecencies, and
obscenities. "The Knights Templars, as it turned out, had been
masters of deception, expert in duplicity, appearing to serve
Christ on the surface while worshipping Lucifer within their
inner rites." Morals and Dogma confirmed that they "had two
doctrines, one concealed and reserved for the Masters...the other
public." The Pope abolished the order. It then went
underground, trusting its dangerous secrets only to those who had
passed successfully through a series of degrees. Hundreds of
years later, they surfaced again, this time as a benevolent
organization of good works, taking over the stone mason guilds of
Europe, since the original Knights Templars had viewed themselves
as grand builders and had with their riches built many castles
and estates. The stone mason guilds were eager to make the union
because they were at that time in danger of going under due to
their shrinking numbers. The transition was successful with the
public viewing it favorably as an organization of simple good
works.
By 1776, Adam Weishaupt, a famous Mason, had developed the
Illuminati, a secret society within a secret society. One
Masonic historian himself has stated that the goals include
"found[ing] a new Hierarchy, to overturn all authority, and to
press down all the Social Order under the level of Equality."
Another Masonic historian stated "the express aim of the Order
was to abolish Christianity, and overturn all civil government."
In Weishaupt's own words, the Illuminati "will by degrees, and in
silence, possess themselves of the government of the States, and
make use of those means for this purpose...." Around 1782,
Weishaupt "succeeded at forging an alliance between illuminized
Freemasonry and the growing Rothschild banking network, thereby
giving the Order the financial means to begin to carry out its
plans." By making an alliance with international financiers, "it
took root, it grew, it flourished, it gathered into itself more
men of royal and noble titles than were possessed by the
Hohenzollern family; even the Jesuits joined it." Weishaupt
convinced many Christian leaders to join by holding out the
Illuminati as a Christian organization with the express purpose
of unifying the world for the sake of Christ. The World Council
of Churches, "an organization that is strongly influenced by
Freemasonry," continues Weishaupt's work by promoting interfaith
unity despite the requisite compromise of each individual faith.
Weishaupt himself wrote of his sarcastic glee in getting a famous
protestant minister to join by believing that the Illuminati were
genuinely Christian, "O Man, Man! To what may'st thou not be
persuaded."
During the 1800's, as the United States began to emerge as a
world power, the Illuminati shifted its attention from Europe to
the U.S. "In fact, many of this country's political founding
fathers were Masons. Most of them, like George Washington, were
decent men who knew of no higher aims of the Order and who even
spoke out against the activities of the Illuminati."
Albert Pike, an illuminized Freemason, stated in the 1800's, "The
blind Force of the people is a Force that must be economized, and
also managed....It must be regulated by Intellect [a reference to
the Illuminati or the highest adepts of Freemasonry]....When all
these Forces are combined, and guided by the Intellect, and
regulated by the RULE of Right, and Justice....the great
revolution prepared for by the ages will begin to march. It is
because Force is ill regulated that revolutions prove failures."
Pike authored a book called "The Book of Apadno, which 'contains
the prophecies concerning the reign of the Anti-Christ from the
Satanic point of view.'" He also organized many headquarters
around the world "for the purpose of gathering information vital
to political and propaganda efforts." Speaking as the leader of
all Freemasonry, Pike said, "We worship a God, but it is the God
that one adores without superstition....The Masonic religion
should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained
in the purity of the Luciferic doctrine."
"The success of a conspiracy depends on its ability to conceal
from the masses the truth of what they are working for. The
conspirators will, therefore, bring no more people into their
inner circle than what is absolutely necessary for the success of
their mission." This is why the higher Masonic degrees cannot be
earned by good works, but only conferred from above. The lower
Masonic degrees, earned by countless hours of establishing
hospitals or helping the crippled, serve as a shield made up of
innocents between the public and the true intentions of the
Masonic hierarchy.
The role of the Soviet Union in the development of a new world
order involves the birth of communism. Karl Marx was hired by
the League of Just Men, a branch organization of the Illuminati,
to write the Communist Manifesto and to penetrate and subvert the
labor movement in France. In the early days of the revolution,
"the revolutionaries called themselves Spartacusts (after Adam
Weishaupt's Illuminati pseudonym) before becoming known as
Bolsheviks and later as Communists." There were other Illuminati
who infiltrated the labor movement. On the labor movement's
committee charged with the responsibility of making the movement
international in scope were a personal secretary to one of the
two highest-ranking officials of the Illuminati, a French
Freemason, and the secretary of the English Masons' Union.
Speaking of the communist revolution, Churchill said, "From the
days of Spartacus-Weishaupt, to those of Karl Marx, to those of
Trotsky...this worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of
civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis
of arrested development and envious malevolence, and impossible
equality has been steadily growing. It has been the mainspring
of every subversive movement during the nineteenth century...."
The larger plan was to create and spark war, acts of terrorism,
and military aggression so that the people of the world would
conclude that nationalism was responsible for war. Therefore,
the goal would become elimination of national boundaries and
acceptance of an authority that would speak for a new world
order, promising world peace. "There is direct evidence to
suggest that the hidden powers have been planning for the
eventual merger of the United States and the Soviet Union all
along, but not until after a prolonged period of Cold War had
accomplished their objectives. This evidence surfaced during the
Reece Committee investigations into tax-exempt foundations during
the 1950's." Norman Dodd, the director of research for the
committee, had a conversation with H. Rowan Gaither, president of
the Ford Foundation and a member of the Council on Foreign
Relations. Gaither said, "All of us here at the policymaking
level have had experience, either in O.S.S. (Office of Strategic
Services) or the European Economic Administration, with
directives from the White House. We operate under those
directives here. Would you like to know what those directives
are?" Dodd said that he would. Gaither then said, "The
substance of them is that we shall use our grant-making power so
to alter life in the United States that we can be comfortably
merged with the Soviet Union." When Dodd requested him to repeat
this before the Reece Committee, Gaither declined, "That we would
not think of doing."
As a religion, Masonry exhorts its members to omit Christ's name
from prayer. One Masonic instruction says, "To offer prayer in
the name of Christ, is contrary to the universality of Masonry."
Their source of power is claimed to be Lucifer. Masonic books
say, "LUCIFER, the Light-bearer!...Lucifer, the Son of the
Morning! Is it he who bears the Light?...Doubt it not!" Another
states, "The seething energies of Lucifer are in [the Mason's]
hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his
ability to properly apply (this) energy." Albert Pike said,
"Lucifer is God....Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is
struggling for humanity against Adonay [The God of the
Christians] the God of Darkness and Evil." Pike also states that
the goals of Masonry are "the destruction of Christianity and
atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." One
former member says, "I can tell you that the Lodges always make a
mockery of Christian Holy Days."
Because of the severity of the oaths of secrecy taken by Masonic
members (i.e., "binding myself under no less penalty than to have
my left breast torn open and my heart and vitals taken from
thence and thrown over my left shoulder and carried into the
valley of Jehosaphat, there to become a prey to the wild beasts
of the field, and vulture of the air if ever I should prove
willfully guilty of violating any part of this my solemn
oath...."), very few defect and even fewer defectors are willing
to talk. One such courageous man, Captain William Morgan, wrote
a book exposing the Masons. He was kidnapped and drowned in the
Niagara River in Batavia, New York by several Masons in 1826.
The publisher of the book was also kidnapped, but outraged
citizens of Batavia rescued him in time. Following this
incident, 45,000 Masons withdrew their membership. In 1848 one
of the Masons who had been appointed to assassinate Morgan gave a
death bed confession of the entire incident. Charles Finney
wrote that Morgan "was aware, as Masons generally were at the
time, that nearly all the civil offices in the country were in
the hands of Freemasons; and that the press was completely under
their control....Can [any Mason] who has taken and still adheres
to the oath of the Royal Arch degree [a particular Masonic
degree] be trusted in office? He swears to espouse the cause of
a companion of this degree when involved in any difficulty, so
far as to extricate him from the same, whether he be right or
wrong. He swears to conceal his crimes, murder and treason not
excepted."
One member included in a Masonic book about famous Masons is John
Marshall, a Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court.
Shortly before his death, he said, "The institution of Masonry
ought to be abandoned, as one capable of producing much evil, and
incapable of producing any good which might not be affected by
open means." Many other powerful politicians have campaigned
against Masonry, including William Seward (Secretary of State
under Lincoln), Daniel Webster, Ulysses S. Grant, John Adams,
James Madison, John Quincy Adams, and Millard Fillmore. "Anton
LaVey, the founder and leader of The Church of Satan, gives
repeated reference to Freemasonry in his book,...'Satanic Ritual
is a blend of Gnostic, Cabbalistic, Hermetic, and Masonic
elements....'"
"Every problem, no matter how small (or how fabricated), will
suddenly become a reason for why we need a world government. The
most convincing arguments will have to do with the environment,
global debt, world poverty, and the prevention of war. A New
World Order, they will say, is needed because individual nations
are no longer capable of dealing with these complex problems on
their own. The New World Order will appear to come from the
bottom up, as something that the people of the world want. It
will come in the name of democracy, non-threatening -not as a
system being forced upon us by our politicians."
[...to be continued...]
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>From the upcoming issue of Steamshovel Press (#12, due in two
weeks):
A Day In The Life
A Newly Declassified Document on Wilhelm Reich
In 1991 Steamshovel Press editor Kenn Thomas began a Freedom of
Information Act search of government files on Wilhelm Reich, the
orgone psychologist and UFO combatant whose scientific equipment
was destroyed and books burned by the federal government after it
sent him to certain death in the federal prison in Lewisberg,
Pennsylvania in 1957. The FOI search yielded many interesting
documents and a never before published photograph of Reich from
his prison file. In November 1994, the Immigration and
Naturalization Service declassified a document that had been
withheld from the original FOI request. It details an attempt by
the FBI in 1953 to get Dr. Reich to identify "suspected
subversive aliens and to furnish information gained while a
former member [sic] of the Communist Party in Germany" in the
1930s.
As the document reveals, the hapless agent assigned to this task
stumbled upon a Wilhelm Reich quite removed from the narrow
political preoccupations of his young adulthood. Reich had
reached an advanced stage of his study of the orgone and had
become convinced of its role in the developing awareness of the
UFO phenomenon. The FBI agent had preoccupations of his own--the
nudes in the artwork around Reich's Orgonon lab, for instance,
and any potential information on the two suspected Communists
(names deleted for the most part, in compliance with FOIA privacy
protections)-but reached the surprising conclusion that Reich had
"information which may be helpful to the government of the United
States." By visit's end, however, the agent came away thoroughly
chastised for his McCarthyist inquiry and with a clear glimpse of
Reich's rage over his overlooked and misunderstood work. It
clearly vindicates Reich from any suspicion that he fell prey to
the McCarthyist temperament, as he gave none of the corroboration
sought by the FBI and demanded from the agency acknowledgement of
the real issues he felt he faced, not the agency's red-baiting
fantasies.
Reich's widow, Ilse Ollendorff, mentioned this incident in a 1978
interview with Reich biographer Myron Sharaf (Fury On Earth, St.
Martin's Press, 1983), but this is the first time the agent's
report has been published. Steamshovel acknowledges with
gratitude the FOI declassification procedure that led to this new
look at a day in Reich's career.
DETAILS
SUBJECT was interviewed by the writer on November 24, 1953 in the
office of the Wilhelm Reich Foundation, known locally as ORGONON,
which he heads, about four miles west of Rangeley, Maine, off
Maine Route 16.
ORGONON consists of several hundred acres of open fields and
sparse to heavy forest, situated on a slope overlooking Rangeley
Lake. Visible structures consist of one dwelling house, one small
structure signed "STUDENT LABORATORY", two garages, and one two
and a half story wood and stone structure overlooking the
surrounding property which is used as ORGONON laboratory-
observatory. A private road leads to ORGONON property from the
public highway through stone columns with a chain barring fence.
The chain was not in place upon my arrival. Signs at the gate
point to ORGONON and proclaim "RESEARCH AREA" and "RESTRICTED
AREA". A sign at the laboratory indicates "BY APPOINTMENT ONLY."
The first floor contains much medical testing and electrical
equipment. The office, library and observation platform are
located on the second floor. A vertical metal tower on the roof
contains several aerials for ultra-high frequency reception, but
no radio receiving or sending apparatus was to be seen. Hung on
the walls of the second floor, office and library, are several
large paintings of nude women and one American eagle. Also
visible were several statues of nudes, and one photograph of a
famous statue of a nude man and woman. Just inside the door
leading to the observation platform were three shot guns and
rifles with a supply of ammunition unboxed, in position for
instant use. A holstered pistol of heavy calibre hung by a belt
from the chair-back in which SUBJECT sat during the interview. A
system for interoffice communication was visible as was a
portable record player and standard radio receiver. Judging from
my seating arrangement during the interview and by suspicious
actions of SUBJECT, it is believed a recording of the
conversation was made, or intended.
Upon examination of my identification card and badge, SUBJECT
invited me into his office. He had apparently been working in the
laboratory with another man who was visible upon my entrance
through the main door. Again asking to see my identification,
SUBJECT informed me he is a psychiatrist and a scientist, and as
such he questioned my honesty and loyalty and said I may be a
Communist underground worker testing his knowledge of Communist
activities. SUBJECT stated he had been interviewed at Rangeley
about one year ago by a government agent (not otherwise
identified) and that SUBJECT had "thrown him off the property" as
he was a Communist sympathizer, arriving at that conclusion upon
the basis of his knowledge and training as a psychiatrist.
SUBJECT said he had subsequently reported the matter "to the
government", but he would not elaborate further on the details.
SUBJECT was informed that the purpose of the interview was to
obtain his testimony regarding knowledge of the Communist
movement and to determine his spirit of cooperation in disclosing
Communist aliens in the United States. SUBJECT replied that he
would cooperate fully, but said his exact words should be
recorded, either by tape or record, or by appearance before a
public hearing body. The fact that he was about to be asked to
identify a specific alien was not made known to SUBJECT until his
true feelings concerning cooperation were known. General
questions concerning Communism were put to SUBJECT for this
purpose, in replies to which SUBJECT stated he had not engaged in
Communist activity "in over 20 years", that over six million
Germans had been Communist members during his own membership,
that he is opposed to Communism as Communism is against the three
things that he considers most important in life, namely, "Love,
Freedom and Babies", that he was in favor of the execution of the
Rosenbergs but would not have wanted to be the executioner, that
he hated persons who "hid behind the Fifth Amendment", and that
his study of the face of Malenkov revealed that Malenkov to be a
psychopath. After a lengthy dissertation on Communism SUBJECT
said he was aware he was being tested as to his attitude toward
Communism and asked that he now be questioned as to the specific
reason for the interview.
SUBJECT was then shown the photos of LIO [deleted] and asked if
he knew of the Communistic activity of either. SUBJECT almost
instantly replied that he had never met either alien, that he had
no reason to believe either alien was a Communist, in fact he
believed both aliens were completely innocent and that the
suspicion was baseless, but that he had seen FEUCHTWANGER's photo
somewhere.
SUBJECT then lost self control. He paced the floor and pounded
the table. His face reddened and his speech became at times
incoherent. When asked if he had been offended in some way which
caused his excitement, SUBJECT said he had been. SUBJECT then
went on to say that in effect, he had been insulted in being
asked to merely identify a suspected Communist, that I did not
realize who he, SUBJECT, was, that I did not understand how minor
was the importance of questioning him concerning individual
Communists as he wanted it plainly understood that his personal
knowledge of Communism extended beyond the "political field" of
Communism and went deep into the heart of the philosophy of
present day Communism-dictatorship as compared with Marxism. From
that point on SUBJECT pounded on the theme that the danger to the
United States and the free world did not stem from the actions of
mere individual Communists, but because the United States failed
to understand and get to the root of the "Communist disease"...
--more in Steamshovel Press #12
Steamshovel Debris: Reich wrote a letter to the Immigration
Service as a follow-up to this visit. In it, he asked, "How is it
possible that many millions of decent, hard-working people are
falling prey to little political horsethieves of the Moscow or
any other kind?" He also identified three major dangers to
society: power drunkards, neurotic passivity, and the threat from
outer space.
Currently available in Steamshovel Press #11:
JFK, LSD and the CIA, Part 3, with rare photographs;
Chicago Conspiracy Researcher Sherman Skolnick Speaks!
Dr. Alan Cantwell on Genetically Engineered AIDS;
An Ugly American in Dallas? Ed Lansdale and the JFK Tramps
Inslaw-Whitewater Connection
BioSphere 2 Shakedown
John Mack's UFO Abductees
Beat Poet Lew Welch Alive?
Jack Nicholson and Wilhelm Reich
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MURDER, BANK FRAUD, DRUGS, AND SEX
By Nicholas A. Guarino
[List of victims from pamphlet]
[...continued...]
Victims #10 & #11: Kevin Ives and Don Henry, two Bryant,
Arkansas, teenagers, apparently were a bit too snoopy about the
air drops of dope and cash they had observed in the nearby
countryside at night (part of the Mena operation).
They were found on the morning of August 23, 1987, having been
run over by a train. "They fell asleep on the tracks," according
to state medical examiner Fahmy Malak, a Clinton appointee who
had earned the anger of the locals by pulling such stunts before.
(Remember when Clinton's late mother, anesthesia nurse Virginia
Kelley, [allegedly] caused the death of two patients by neglect?
Malak was the one who cleared her. Malak once even declared that
a decapitated man had died of "natural causes," a ruling Clinton
defended as a mere symptom of overwork.)
Malak's opinion caused a big ruckus locally. Eventually, the
boys' irate parents managed to get a second coroner's opinion,
and the official causes of death were changed to being stabbed in
the back and getting a crushed skull *before* the train came. At
this point...
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Victims #12 through #17: ...six local people came forward
independently, each claiming to have some special knowledge about
the deaths of the boys on the track.
All were slain before their testimony could do any good. Police
involvement is suspected in most cases, but not all:
** Keith Coney had been slashed in the neck and was fleeing
for his life when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a
truck. "A traffic fatality," police said.
** Gregory Collins was found shot in the face by a shotgun.
** Keith McKaskle was brutally stabbed at home -- 113 times.
(He knew he was doomed, and had told his friends and family
goodbye.)
** The burned body of Jeff Rhodes was found in the city
dump, shot in the head -- and with his hands, feet, and head
partly cut off.
** Richard Winters was killed by a man with a 12-gauge
sawed-off shotgun.
** Jordan Ketelson died of a shotgun blast to the head and
was found in the driveway of a house in Garland County. "A
suicide," the sheriff said.
Do you see a pattern here?
All in all, after ten years of Mena operations, not one arrest
was ever made, an accomplishment that is possible only when
someone controls the whole state like a collie controls sheep.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Victim #18: Danny Casolaro was a reporter who was investigating
the connections between Mena, BCCI, Iran-Contra, Reagan's
"October Surprise," Park-O-Meter Co. (which [allegedly] made
dope-storage nose cones for the airplanes at Mena), and the ADFA
(Clinton's billion-dollar state bonds racket). He affectionately
called this network The Octopus. On August 10, 1991, just as he
was about to receive information linking Iran-Contra to the
Inslaw scandal, Danny was found with his wrists slit in the
bathtub of a hotel room in West Virginia. What a coincidence.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Victim #19: Paul Wilcher, a Washington, D.C., lawyer, was deeply
investigating Mena and other scandals. He was scheduled for a
meeting with Danny Casolaro's former attorney, but on June 22,
1993, was found dead in his apartment, sitting on his toilet.
(The bathroom killer strikes again?)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Victim #20: Ed Willey, the manager of Clinton's presidential
campaign finance committee who, according to a reliable source in
Texas, was involved with shuffling briefcases full of cash,
supposedly shot himself on November 30, 1993.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Victim #21: John A. Wilson, a ruggedly honest city councilman in
Washington, D.C., knew a lot about Clinton's dirty tricks.
According to my sources, he was preparing to come forward and
start talking about them. But then on May 19, 1993, he just
decided to hang himself instead.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
There are other possible victims, like Paula Gober, Jim Wilhite,
Stanley Heard, Steven Dickson, Timothy Sabel, William Barkley,
Scott Reynolds, Brian Hassey, and so on. But my evidence about
them isn't convincing, and I refuse to join those who call every
Clinton-related death a murder.
What *is* convincing is just the sheer numbers of untimely deaths
in the Clinton circle of influence -- plus a long string of
threats, attacks, beatings, break-ins, wiretaps, and other
intimidation. For example:
** Dennis Patrick of Kentucky has survived three attempts on
his life so far -- and is now in the federal witness
protection program. (Hang in there, Dennis -- and never
forget who's in charge of that program!)
He was the unwilling customer of Lasater & Company in Little
Rock, where tens of millions of dollars were traded (read:
laundered) in his account in 1985 and 1986. Only two
problems: He never knew what these trades were... and it
wasn't his money! (Coincidentally, the trading stopped when
Barry Seal was killed on February 19, 1986.)
And that's not even the scary part of the story. The fact
that may make your hair stand on end is that Dan Lasater is:
-- Bill Clinton's second-best friend
-- a convicted cocaine dealer
-- a noted host of lavish cocaine parties featuring very
young women
-- the employer of Bill's brother
-- and the head of Lasater & Co., which issued all $1
billion of Arkansas' state bonds in the '80s (but
only if each bond beneficiary first made a huge
donation to Clinton's operations or put Hillary on
retainer).
It is also alleged that Lasater laundered hundreds of
millions of drug dollars through that firm. But the day after
Dan's release from prison only six months later, Bill
pardoned him! Plus, while Dan was still in detention, he gave
power of attorney to run the company to Patsy Thomasson, who
was one of Bill's top administrative aides, and Bill
*continued* to funnel all the state's bonds through the
company -- another $664 million worth!
Lasater & Company was the major source of brokered deposits
in Madison Guaranty S&L.
And Patsy is now director of the White House Office of
Administration. God help us all.
** According to a sophisticated journal called *Heterodoxy*,
journalist L.J. Davis spent a week nosing around some
sensitive areas in Arkansas last February [1994]. Then on the
14th, as he entered his Little Rock hotel room to dress for
dinner, he was knocked cold. When he awoke on the entry floor
four hours later, his wallet was intact, but his notebook and
skull weren't. And there was no furniture within falling
distance to account for the darning-egg-size lump over his
left ear.
Three weeks later, he sent a draft of his story to *The New
Republic* BY MODEM. Three hours after that, his phone rang. A
rich baritone voice began, "What you're doing makes Lawrence
Walsh [, the investigator into Iran-Contra,] look like a rank
amateur."
"Who *is* this?" Davis demanded.
"Seems to me, you've gotten your bell rung too many times.
But did you hear what I just said?" (*click*)
Says Davis now, "I used to laugh at things like this -- until
I ended up on the [expletive] floor."
If all this sounds like tabloid trash to you, you're
absolutely right. And there's a very good reason: The people
behind these crimes *are* tabloid trash.
** Then there's the arson stuff. A nasty little blaze broke
out in the Little Rock offices of Peat Marwick, way up in the
fourteenth floor of Worthen Tower at midnight, January 24,
1994, just four days after Fiske's start as a Whitewater
investigator. It wasn't a *bad* fire, you see, just bad
enough to consume the area that held their 1986 audit of
Madison Guaranty. A former Peat Marwick executive tells me
that the word came down from Clinton, and they were most
definitely *forced* to destroy the documents.
And remember the flap about the medical records that Bill
refused to release? Word is, all that cocaine finally
destroyed his nasal passages. ("Allergies," Bill says.) He
spent huge amounts of time flying around the country with Dan
Lasater in his cocaine-laden jet and went to numerous parties
thrown by Lasater and others, some of which featured
"blizzards of cocaine," according to participants.
Brother Roger recently admitted doing six to eight grams a
day (and being a dealer for Lasater), but Bill's usage was
probably much less. Alas, we'll never know now. His doctor's
office files went up in flames. (Tsk, tsk. Those medical
offices. You *know* what a firetrap they are.)
Speaking of drugs: Sally Perdue, a former Miss Arkansas and
popular talk show hostess, has told the London *Sunday
Telegraph* that during her 1983 affair with Gov. Clinton
(verified by state trooper L.D. Brown), Bill would usually
smoke (*and* inhale) two or three ready-made marijuana joints
drawn from his cigarette case in a typical evening.
On one occasion he pulled out a baggie of cocaine and
prepared a "line" right on her table. "He had all the
equipment laid out like a real pro," she recalls. (A mid-
level Democratic Party leader warned Sally, before a witness,
that if she didn't keep quiet, he "couldn't guarantee what
might happen" to her "pretty little legs" when she went out
jogging.)
She also told her stories to Sally Jessy Raphael, but in a
rare move, the producers strangely decided not to broadcast
the videotaped program.
I've also talked with others who say they "got high with
Bill" *many* times -- including his personal drug supplier,
who is now being held in prison incommunicado in Leavenworth
by Janet Reno. When the time comes, they will all speak out.
In fact, the main problem may be half of Arkansas trying to
get their names in the headlines!
[...to be continued...]
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MURDER, BANK FRAUD, DRUGS, AND SEX
By Nicholas A. Guarino
[...continued...]
** For a change of pace, here's an incident that's non-
violent -- but does include the President himself.
Little Rock attorney Cliff Jackson, an acquaintance of Bill's
from his Oxford days, was approached in July, 1993, by Larry
Patterson and Roger Perry, two former members of Bill's
Arkansas security detail. They wanted to discuss blowing the
whistle on his sex escapades. (Other troopers backed up their
stories.)
As told to *New American* magazine, Jackson was discussing
their stories on the phone in August with another attorney,
Lynn Davis (not related to [L.J. Davis]), when...
...he became suspicious that the phone had been tapped.
He suggested to Davis that they meet in a nearby
restaurant. "The whole time we were there, this
suspicious-looking guy kept his eye on us," Jackson
recalls. "After we left, we were followed by this dark
Suburban with darkened windows and a Texas license
plate." Davis noted the vehicle's license plate number
and ran a check on it; no such license number was listed.
You've heard of unlisted phone numbers? Welcome to the
phantom surveillance world of unlisted license plates!
Just a few days later, the troopers received phone calls from
both Clinton and Buddy Young, former head of Gov. Clinton's
security detail. You can hear the borderline tone of Young's
calls in this sample from his tense call to Roger Perry, as
he reported it:
I represent the President of the United States. Why do
you want to destroy him over this? ... This is not a
threat, but I wanted you to know that your own actions
could bring about dire consequences.
Clinton's calls were no big secret, either. For instance,
journalist Gwen Ifill noted in the *New York Times*,
It turns out that some of the calls that were overworking
the White House switchboard operators [in the fall of
'93] were going not to Capitol Hill but to Arkansas state
troopers [to discuss] potentially embarrassing charges
about his marital infidelity.
The troopers related that Bill asked about the pending
allegations and offered them plush jobs. I think what he
wanted most was the kind of loyal silence and amnesia he gets
from people like Buddy Young, whom he appointed to a $93,000-
a-year FEMA job (not a bad promotion for a cop).
Indeed, there was a lot to be silent about. In addition to
numerous one-night ladies, Bill had long-term affairs with
six. One was a real bell-ringer: The *Los Angeles Times*
sifted through thousands of pages of state phone bills and
found 59 calls to her, including eleven on July 16, 1989. On
one government trip, he talked to her from his hotel room
from 1:23 a.m. to 2:57 a.m., then was back on the phone with
her at 7:45 that morning.
Bill's fallback defense is always that, as he claimed on
National Public Radio, "The only relevant questions are
questions of whether I abused my office, and the answer is
no."
Well. What do *you* say?
** By far the unluckiest guy in Arkansas is lawyer Gary
Johnson, 53, who was peacefully living at Quapaw Towers in
Little Rock when Gennifer Flowers moved in next door to him.
Now, Clinton denied on *60 Minutes* that he ever visited
Gennifer. But Gary had a home security system that included a
video camera pointed at his door. Unfortunately, it also
covered Gennifer's door, and after awhile he had several nice
visits on tape, showing Bill letting himself in with his own
key.
Either Bill finally noticed the camera, or the grapevine told
Bill's aides about it, because on June 26, 1992, three weeks
before the Democratic nomination, Gary got a loud knock at
the door. It was three husky, short-haired state troopers,
and they slugged him as they barged in, demanding the tape.
Gary promptly gave it to them, but they continued punching
him, breaking both his elbows, perforating his bladder,
rupturing his spleen so badly that doctors had to remove it,
beating him unconscious, and leaving him to die.
Now, here's a good question for you: Do you think Bill
Clinton actually picked up a phone and initiated this attack?
And here's a better question: *What* *difference* *does* *it*
*make*?
For obvious reasons of liberal loyalty, no one in the major media
wants to stick his neck out and be the first to do a major piece
that pins all these murders and attacks on the President of the
United States.
But sooner or later, the dam will break. The weight and scope of
the crimes are just too massive. Even if only *half* these
incidents turn out to be accidents or true suicides, Bill will
find it impossible to wiggle out of being implicated in the rest.
When some indicted hit man or functionary sees the evidence
piling up against him, he will sing like a sparrow to save his
own tail feathers...
How to Make $2 Million
Developing a God-Forsaken Tract of Land
Without Selling One Square Foot of It
When the media folk told you about Whitewater, they left out a
few amusing details.
So in a spirit of altruistic service and public education, I'm
going to let you in on the secrets of how to pull off a land
scam. Pay attention, because you've never heard this before.
A. Real estate developing is more fun when you can borrow all
your capital without having to pay it back... or even sell
any land. So to get started, you need two friends: one an
appraiser, one a banker.
B. Next, you find some dirt-cheap dirt. Anywhere in the
boondocks will do. In the Whitewater case, it was 230
acres of land along the White River for about $90,000.
(Some housing tract! It was fifty miles to the nearest
grocery store.)
C. Then you get your appraiser friend to do a bloated
appraisal. Hey, what are friends for? Let's say he pegs it
at $150,000.
D. You go to the bank and get the usual 80% loan. [CN --
e.g., 80% of $150,000 with the land as collateral] You now
have $120,000, so you pay off the land [($90,000)], and
you still have $30,000 in your pocket. You're on a roll.
E. You pay $5,000 to subdivide it and bulldoze in a few
roads. (Or if you know the ropes, you get the state to do
it, as Bill did to get a $150,000, two-mile access road.)
F. Voila! You now are the proud owner of a partly-developed
luxury estate community. So you call up your appraiser
friend again, and he re-evaluates it at a cool $400,000.
G. You hustle back to the bank [run by your friend McDougal]
and get a new 80% loan based on the new value. (Nothing
out of line so far. An 80% loan is standard, right?)
H. You draw up plans for some fine houses (which will never
be built.)
I. You get a new appraisal.
J. You get a new loan.
K. You make two or three phony homesite sales to friends. You
shuffle the funds around among your shell corporations and
bounce it back to your friends -- plus a little extra for
their help.
L. You get a new appraisal.
M. You get a new loan.
N. You do a "land flip," selling the whole thing to Company X
for $800,000, which sells it to Company Y for a million,
which sells it back to you for $1.25 million. (All these
companies are your friends.) And yes, this kind of thing
*did* happen in Whitewater and Madison. In fact,
Whitewater figures David Hale and Dean Paul once flipped
Castle Grande back and forth from $200,000 to $825,000 in
*one* *day*!
O. You get a new appraisal.
P. You get a new loan.
Q. Finally, your development corporation declares bankruptcy,
and the bank has to eat your loans because the money is
all gone, and since the record-keeping is so poor, nobody
knows where it went.
But weep not for the bankers. You pay them nicely -- perhaps a
third of the $2 to $3 million you skim off. Weep for the taxpayer
who bails out their banks.
Which is to say, in the case of Whitewater, weep for yourself.
-+- Does This Actually *Work*? -+-
Whitewater was just the first of a series, like a pilot for a
sitcom.
Using Whitewater as a prop, Bill and his partner Jim McDougal
milked -- by my rough estimate -- several million dollars from
the SBA [Small Business Administration] and at least five or six
banks and S&Ls, starting with the Bank of Kingston.
But their later ventures, bringing in Steve Smith and now-Gov.
Jim Guy Tucker, did even better. Campobello started with about
$150,000 in property and squeezed over $4 million in loans from
banks in about two years. Castle Grande began with $75,000 worth
of swamp land and cleared over $3 million. It never built
anything. The only human artifacts on it today are a few old
refrigerators and mattresses.
Why do I have information you haven't seen before? Because my
firm had $10 million in Madison Guaranty S&L, and I was thinking
of buying the Bank of Kingston. (I was already worth millions by
that time.) When I saw Kingston's financial statement, however, I
ran like a scalded cat.
And Madison was worse. You didn't have to be a Philadelphia CPA
to spot their money laundering, dead real estate liabilities
proudly listed as assets, huge amounts of 24-hour deposits from
brokers, and $17 million in insider loans. It was a nightmare.
Whitewater Development Corp. had at least an appearance of
sincerity. It even had TV commercials, starring Jim's
[McDougal's] striking young wife, Susan, in hot pants, riding a
horse. Another one showed her behind the wheel of Bill's restored
'67 Mustang.
But after Whitewater, the deals began dropping their frills like
a hooker in a hurry to get things over with. The RTC criminal
referral that Bill suppressed during his presidential campaign
cites such later corporations as *Tucker-Smith-McDougal*, *Smith-
Tucker-McDougal*, and *Smith-McDougal*. Catchy, eh? If it were
me, I would have called them *Son of Whitewater*,
*Whitewatergate*, and *Whitewater & Ponzi, L.P.*
[...to be continued...]
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MURDER, BANK FRAUD, DRUGS, AND SEX
By Nicholas A. Guarino
[...continued...]
-+- Short Report -+-
On their 1979 income tax, Hillary valued Bill's used undershorts
-- donated to charity at the end of their action-studded tour of
duty -- at two dollars a pair.
Plainly, we are dealing here with a couple that gives loving
attention to detail in matters of deductions.
As you may recall, however, Clinton has proclaimed over and over
that he simply "forgot" to deduct the $68,900 he claims he lost
on Whitewater. Commentators have been mystified by the paradox.
But it's no mystery to me. The reason is obvious: Bill didn't
deduct the $68,900 because he didn't lose a dime on Whitewater,
and he didn't want to do time for tax fraud. Period.
Jim McDougal put up all the money except for $500 -- and Bill
borrowed even *that*.
But weep not for Jim. Not only was he Bill's partner in
Whitewater, but he owned Madison Guaranty S&L, which was the
designated milk cow that provided most of the inflated loans.
Weep instead for the taxpayers -- like you and me -- who picked
up the $66 million tab when Madison folded.
-+- The Paperless Office Is Pioneered -+-
by the Rose Law Firm
Will Bill and Hillary go to jail for masterminding all the land
deals that fall under the label *Whitewater*?
I expect they will [CN -- Don't bet on it.] -- not because of
existing documents, but because of the testimony of subpoenaed
people.
The few remaining documents will play a supporting role, but
frankly, friend, there aren't many left. According to grand jury
testimony: On February 3, 1994, right after Fiske became special
counsel for Whitewater, the nice folks at the Rose Law Firm fired
up their high-speed Ollie-o-Matic paper shredder and ordered
courier Jeremy Hedges to slice 'n dice his way into the history
books by destroying twelve (12) cartons full of Whitewater
documents. As far as anyone knows, Rose now has no more
Whitewater records than you do.
Actually, a lot of the usual documents were never created in the
first place. For instance, there was no written partnership
agreement (don't try this at home). No transactions were written
up, even though Clinton's real estate agent says there were
$300,000 in sales. No deeds were ever recorded. And if any
interest was paid on bank loans, the payment checks are missing.
Plus, after Whitewater, Bill got very smart and kept his name
completely out of every subsequent deal he cut. But the
Whitewater monies, probably several million, ricocheted from
shell company to shell company like the basketball in a Harlem
Globetrotters warmup drill, and every dollar wound up in the
proper pocket. Beneficiaries included many of the biggest names
in Arkansas -- like Gov. Tucker, Seth Ward, and some very
powerful executives from outfits like Wal-Mart and Tyson's
Chicken -- Clinton campaign backers all. (Campaign records for
1982 and 1984, the two most suspicious years, have also been
studiously shredded.)
And Bill, who entered public office with nothing but debts, and
who never made over $35,000 a year as governor, is now worth
about four to five million. A real rags-to-riches, American
success story, isn't it? Kind of puts a lump in your throat.
But there's one other reason for Bill's success. In a word,
Hillary. Prepare to be shocked as you learn...
-+- Why the Feds Settled for $1 Million -+-
on $60 Million in Debts
You'll find this one hard to believe, so read carefully.
ITEM: When Madison Guaranty folded, it was somewhere between
$47 and $68 million in the hole. The tab has settled at $65
million.
ITEM: One of the biggest defaults was $600,000 in loans to
one of Madison's own directors, Seth Ward, who is the father-
in-law of Webb Hubbell. Webb happened to be Hillary's law
partner and until April [1994] was the No. 3 man at the
Justice Department -- and assigned to investigate Whitewater!
ITEM: When the RTC cleanup crew took over Madison, Hillary
had been on retainer to Madison [Guaranty S&L] for many
months.
Got it so far? O.K. Now, the RTC lawsuit sought $60 million from
Madison Guaranty's debtors. But here's what happened:
1. Hillary negotiated the RTC down *from* *$60* *million*
*to* *$1* *million*. What a talker!
2. Hillary then got the RTC to forgive the $600,000 debt Seth
Ward owed the RTC -- every penny of it -- thus leaving the
RTC with $400,000 [out of the $60 million owed.]
3. But wait! Hillary did these two deeds *as* *the* *counsel*
*for* *the* *RTC*, not Madison. Incredible as it sounds to
those of us who have to live in the real world, Hillary
got herself hired by the RTC, and in *that* position, from
the GOVERNMENT side, she talked them down to $1 million.
4. Her fee for the RTC job was (pure coincidence) $400,000.
Which left the government with $400,000 minus $400,000...
or in technical accounting terms, zippo.
5. And who do you suppose was the mastermind who conned the
RTC into hiring Madison Guaranty's own Hillary to
prosecute Madison Guaranty? None other than the late Vince
Foster! When he made his pitch to the RTC, he neglected to
tell them about Hillary's retainer with Madison Guaranty.
In fact, he even wrote them a letter stating that the Rose
Law Firm didn't represent thrifts!
Vince and Hillary were, by the way, very, uh, close. Not only
were they partners at Rose, but there's no shortage of people who
saw them hugging and smooching in public. Arkansas troopers say
that when Bill took a trip on state business, Vince was often at
the mansion gates within minutes -- and would stay till the wee
hours. They also spent a few weekends together at the Rose
vacation cabin in the mountains. And when Hillary filed for
divorce from Bill in 1986, Vince was right there at her side.
(She withdrew the suit [later on].)
-+- 178 Years in Club Fed -+-
Nobody ever accused Bill Clinton of being stupid.
As proof, look at the Congressional hearings. What a hoot! Bill
had them stacked so that fully 99% of all Whitewater crimes were
off limits!
This left our dignified Congressmen sternly chasing the remaining
1% of petty misdemeanors with hardly a mention of fourteen years
of felonies: shell games, killings, break-ins, coverups, threats,
bribes, thefts, check kiting, payoffs, arson, money laundering,
fraud, influence of testimony, tampering with witnesses, you name
it...
And Bill managed to focus 100% of the attention on [Roger] Altman,
[Bernard] Nussbaum, [Lloyd] Cutler and others, with none of it on
himself. You have to admit, that's pretty smart maneuvering.
In February, *The American Spectator* added up two pages of
Bill's alleged crimes, and the total potential penalties came to
$2.5 million in fines and 178 years in prison. And *they* just
listed the piddly stuff, like tax fraud and soliciting bribes;
they didn't even mention the heavier incidents I listed above!
(They did include a short roster of Hillary's much lighter
penalties, totaling only $1.2 million and 47 years.)
Is such punishment excessive? I think not. Even if you ignore the
mayhem, the Clinton economic damage has been severe. Counting
Clinton's Arkansas Development Finance Authority, which never
awarded a bond grant without a major campaign contribution and
Bill's signature, he sucked over a billion dollars from state and
federal taxpayers.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Please forgive me for sounding dramatic, but this is a dark day
for the republic.
I apologize for giving you such an avalanche of appalling news.
God knows, I've tried to keep my tone somewhat light, but I
realize that you are probably still alarmed.
Unfortunately, I must now go on to tell you about the impact all
this is going to have on your own financial future, and that
could be the worst news of all -- by far.
But unlike all the depressing matters you've just read, there is
a bright silver lining to it. Yes, I do think it's the darkest
day for the republic since World War II. [CN -- Guarino goes on
from here to state that "the troubles ahead" will ironically give
you a great opportunity to improve your finances. He tells the
reader to open "the enclosed envelope" which I, unfortunately, do
not have because I received this pamphlet from someone else.]
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Footnote: I [Nicholas A. Guarino] serve notice that I am not
depressed in the least, and that if anything happens to me, I
publicly accuse Bill Clinton and his circle of power.
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
CN -- There ends Mr. Guarino's narrative. For the record, I also
"serve notice" that I am looking forward to the denouement of the
Clinton mysteries and therefore if anything happens to me I would
miss the final curtain -- a circumstance I would much regret.
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[CN Editor -- I cannot vouch for the accuracy of *all* of the
following. It may or may not be true, I just don't know. However
I consider Skolnick to be an honest and careful investigator.]
[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put
out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up
the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]
Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts,
9800 South Oglesby.
One of the largest law firms may break apart because of
corruption.
Headquartered in Chicago, Winston & Strawn, with some 400
lawyers, also has offices in Washington, DC, New York,
Switzerland, Paris, [and] Saudi-Arabia. The chairman of the firm
has been Jim Thompson, formerly chief federal prosecutor in
Chicago and [former] Illinois Governor.
The former managing partner of Winston & Strawn, Gary L.
Fairchild, has pleaded guilty to embezzling upwards of $800,000!
He apparently stole the funds with a clear conscience because of
also rampant corruption at the firm which he observed right
along! Fairchild could finger Thompson himself, and others! So,
to avoid getting assassinated, Fairchild pleaded guilty and, now
get this -- put *himself* into the jail even before the judge
sentenced him.
This comes in the wake of our exclusive stories, on cable TV,
about "China White", the high-purity heroin flooding into the
United States by way of Joliet, just south of Chicago.
("Big Jim" [Thompson], by the way, became Governor with
Rockefeller money.)
So, while Governor, Thompson reportedly arranged to bail out the
First National Bank of Chicago, which had loaned billions and
billions of dollars to mainland China on the promise that they
would pay back with gold, supposedly from their western
provinces! Well, they couldn't pay back, so the dope helped
[i.e., "white gold"].
In 1986, Governor "Big Jim" disguised the dope smuggling deal as
a proposed Chinese-owned soybean processing plant, supposedly to
be built in Joliet! Some of the various Chinese technicians that
came, that kept coming here were, reportedly, actually with Tewu,
the Chinese secret police.
As we told you, the American espionage agencies tried to stop an
elite Treasury [Department] unit from investigating "China White"
in Joliet. They wanted to keep watching the Chinese secret
police!
Disgruntled by interference by CIA and NSA, the unit turned over
thousands of documents to a public interest reform group.
Now, three Winston & Strawn partners and some eight support staff
say [that] internal documents tend to prove the massive dope
smuggling funded the law firm's expansion *and* is coordinated
through the firm's worldwide facilities.
Also, "China White", the huge money is used, in part, to corrupt
federal judges in the District Court and the U.S. Court of
Appeals, Seventh Circuit, in Chicago. So, is it any wonder that
Winston & Strawn seem to win cases in the federal court without
much effort, huh?
By the way, while Thompson was Governor, there was an incident at
his lavish home on Chicago's near north side. Two burglars
somehow defeated the security system and stole $20,000 and two
kilos of cocaine from Thompson's house! Thompson's bodyguard,
however, caught them. *But*, the case was "hushed up" in a branch
of the criminal court system here.
The "China White" dope smuggling was aided and abetted by Robert
Tezak, a super-rich business tycoon from Joliet and the Cayman
Islands. Tezak owned a card game company and, Tezak, along with
the Rockefellers, *owned* Jim Thompson!
Tezak was "railroaded" into a lengthy federal prison term to
silence him. Naturally, Tezak's sell-out "defense" attorney
was... "Big Jim's" crony, Dan K. Webb [CN -- Webb is now part of
Rostenkowski's defense team. By the way, "Rosty" wants his
upcoming trial moved to Chicago, supposedly because it will be
too difficult for him and his defense team to travel to
Washington.]
What can you do? Well call up your favorite news fakers and tell
them to stop kidding us about "Big Jim" Thompson being so
wonderful! [CN -- What else can you do? Get some friends and
picket your local news fakers, carrying signs like "Hey, News
Fakers! Stop Kidding Us!"]
In Chicago, see us on cable tv, channel 21, 9 pm [cst] most
Monday evenings.
Play it again: "The Toxic Waste Gestapo and the Wife of a Corrupt
Federal Judge Here". (312) 731-1505.
New message Saturday; we change it several times a week.
Donations appreciated. Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the
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[CN Editor -- I cannot vouch for the accuracy of *all* of the
following. It may or may not be true, I just don't know. However
I consider Skolnick to be an honest and careful investigator.]
[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put
out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up
the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]
Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts,
9800 South Oglesby.
After the murder of President Lincoln, every President that
followed was involved in the assassination conspiracy and/or
cover-up in one way or another. Likewise, after President Kennedy
had his brains blown out in an open car in Dallas, for 30 years
thereafter each President, in turn, was involved in some way in
the murder and/or cover-up.
Lyndon Johnson was in business with war contractors who wanted
Kennedy and his southeast asia peace program dead. Some details
are in the sarcastic play and book called "McBird"(?).
Nixon falsely stated that he left Dallas that morning! He was
supposedly there as a lawyer for the PepsiCo bottlers having a
convention. A former PepsiCo director, however, said Nixon tried
to conduct business *all* that afternoon, even when everyone else
was in shock after JFK's murder. Nixon attended an assassination
planning meeting on Murchison's ranch, near Dallas, three days
ahead of time! The murder cabal, called "The Committee", is
detailed in the European best-seller, *Farewell, America*, a book
-- now get this -- not allowed to be circulated in the United
States.
Some of the assassination funding went through Murchison's
laundry in Chicago, called, at the time, South Shore National
Bank.
During the Watergate affair, President Nixon tried to blot out
some 18-and-a-half minutes of White House tapes where he talks
about Dallas, calling it by the code words "Bay of Pigs" [i.e.,
"the Bay of Pigs thing"]. The sound was retrieved, however, by
European scientists. Nixon used the secret details of Dallas to
try to blackmail CIA and become a "super-President" -- one of the
reasons he was framed-up by CIA double agents at the Watergate
Hotel.
Nixon was followed into the oval office by Gerald Ford who had
sat on the infamous Warren Commission, blaming a lone assassin
for the murder.
For fear of *more* such murders, the Kennedy clan opposed true
details circulating. Their crony, President Jimmy Carter, went
along with the cover-up.
In 1960, when Nixon ran against Kennedy for President, Ronald
Reagan wrote a handwritten letter to Nixon. It was a death
warrant for JFK. Retrieved by us [CCCC] out of the Nixon archives
before they closed, the Reagan letter says, "Kennedy is
subversive" and implies that, if Kennedy is elected, he should be
liquidated. Well, Kennedy was, three years later.
Also, when Ronald Reagan was California Governor, he refused to
extradite key assassination witnesses needed by New Orleans
district attorney Jim Garrison in his JFK conspiracy
investigation. Garrison's travail is in the Oliver Stone movie,
"JFK".
According to a recently released FBI document, George Bush (of
CIA since 1959) was part of a cover-up of the anti-Castro Cuban
complicity in the Dallas "hit". Also, during the 11-and-a-half
months Bush was CIA director, some 200 still-alive witnesses with
knowledge of the Dallas plot were themselves "snuffed out".
*And*, Clinton goes along with the cover-up.
Reporters that "went along" with the lone assassin fakery were
rewarded by being pushed to the top of the mass media --
including Dan Rather, Robert McNeil and Cokie Roberts. (More
details in a future story.)
Do the press whores know the truth? *Of* *course* *they* *do*;
the answer is *yes*.
Call up your local news fakers and tell them to stop kidding us.
[CN -- Or, alternatively, print out this missive and mail it to
the news fakers to let them know that you are not being fooled.]
In Chicago, see us on cable tv, channel 21, 9 pm [cst] most
Monday evenings.
Play it again: "Accidents of History, or Conspiracies?" (312) 731-
1505.
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FEMINISM: MASK FOR MARXISM?
Tom Valentine's guest on *Radio Free America* (Shortwave, 5.065
MHz, mon-fri, 9 pm cst) on December 28, 1994 was Andrea Pearson,
editor-in-chief of a newsletter called "Americans In Exile"
[contact info to be included below]. Ms. Pearson has some non-
politically correct views on feminism, etc. Note that views
expressed in the following do not necessarily reflect my own
views or those of Conspiracy Nation.
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[Awesome sounds of John Phillip Souza's "Stars and Stripes Forever"]
ANNOUNCER:
It's *Radio Free America*, the talk show for intelligent
Americans, with your host, Tom Valentine.
*Radio Free America* is brought to you by *The Spotlight* [CN --
Note: Throw mud here.] Call 1-800-522-6292 for your subscription.
And now, the newspaper that "tells it like it is" presents Tom
Valentine.
TOM VALENTINE:
Hello, everybody. Welcome back, to *Radio Free America*.
And before I get to my guest and to our topic tonight, I want to
bring up something that I mentioned in the first hour.
The *New York Times* lead editorial today [12/28/94] should be
framed and hung on the mantle like the antlers of a trophy animal
by a big hunter, down at *The Spotlight*. "The Miscalculation in
Chechnya," it says.
"President Boris Yeltsin was justified," (get that), "...was
justified in using force against the breakaway Russian republic
of Chechnya."
So, right off the bat, the opinion of the owners of the *New York
Times* organization is, that Yeltsin was "justified" in this that
we're watching on the media right now.
And it was *The Spotlight* that pointed out yesterday, or this
week's *Spotlight* points out that the bankers are behind the
move on it, and that Russia got the nod from the united States.
In fact, on December the 11th, Boris Yeltsin was given the green
light to go ahead and attack, according to *The Spotlight*, by
none other than Strobe Talbot of the Clinton administration!
The very last paragraph of this long, rambling [*New York Times*]
editorial chastising Boris Yeltsin for being clumsy as he carries
out the orders from the boardroom... The very last paragraph
says, "Washington has an interest in keeping Russia and 'reform'
intact." It does. And this is the wonderful paragraph here, that
belongs on the mantle: "After initially giving Mr. Yeltsin a
green light for military intervention [in Chechnya]..."
They just got through chewing him out for being clumsy and his
application of the military and his not finding a political
solution. But they're admitting that Mr. Yeltsin was given a
green light by the Clinton administration. Well how is it the
Clinton administration can give the Russian bear a green light to
kill people if it isn't somebody higher up? And I don't mean God,
but people playing God with all the money -- the bankers.
This editorial, folks, you should get it and frame it. Today's
*New York Times* editorial on Chechnya. It's an excellent piece
to prove our point.
Now. We gotta change gears, change subject, totally. On *Radio
Free America*, whenever I have open phones in the last few years,
one of my, I would call 'em regular callers, is a lovely lady.
She calls in from Pittsfield, Massachusetts. And she always has
something intelligent to contribute. And so last week when she
called and we were talking, I asked her if she'd be a guest. And
she has agreed to be a guest. So I want to introduce Andrea, from
Pittsfield, Massachusetts. Of course, we always use only first
names of callers. However, Andrea, you have stepped out of the
anonymity of caller-ship and you have... Your last name is
"Pearson". Andrea Pearson, you are no longer anonymous.
Welcome to *Radio Free America*.
ANDREA PEARSON:
Good evening, Tom.
VALENTINE:
First of all, tell me a little about yourself. Why is it that you
have this consuming interest in the, the movement of the
feminists and their influence on our society?
PEARSON:
Well it's my observation that, under the banner of feminism,
Marxism and Socialism are being imposed on the American people.
And not only that, but feminism and the culture that has replaced
the American culture that we once had, is a paradigm. And because
men are so socialized to protect women from things that are
offensive, and to give them good things -- that no one speaks
against it.
So...
VALENTINE:
Wow... Wait a minute, wait a minute. What you just said is very
interesting.
Because we men... And if you're brought from a traditional
family, you are taught by your parents that uh, the "ladies
first" and to have courtesy and that the distaff side of things
is to get all of your attention. And we *do* for our women.
That's the purpose of a man being alive. We're taught that.
And you're saying that, because of that, these feminists have an
edge in pushing their agenda.
PEARSON:
...the Marxists in our government and in the U.N. are
manipulating the male nature in order to impose Marxist policies
and programs and [to] influence our belief systems and change our
culture. I think it's one of the most destructive forces that has
ever happened in the history of the world. And...
VALENTINE:
This is gonna be very interesting, Andrea. We have a break coming
up. But already, I'm interested.
My guest is Andrea Pearson, from Pittsfield, Massachusetts. And
the gender war, being used on us. I'm Tom Valentine, this is
*Radio Free America*.
[...break...]
All right, we are back, live. And my guest is Andrea Pearson. And
she's out of Pittsfield, Massachusetts.
And before we go anywhere further with your thesis and so forth,
Andrea... When you say "Marxist"... Now that has a different
connotation to a lot of different people. My idea of a Marxist is
one thing, yours may be another. How are you using "Marxism",
"Marxist"?
PEARSON:
Well in the writings of Karl Marx and other Communists, they
write about their belief systems in many different ways. For
instance, in terms of borders, who owns property, who can own
land, who owns the operation of the industry, [who] controls
that, and so forth.
But they also have very strong beliefs about marriage. They
believe that marriage is a system imposed by a patriarchal,
capitalistic system, by men, onto women. And that it's something
that is *used* by men, against women, by force.
VALENTINE:
So you're using "Marxist" as "those who have taken the ideas of
Karl Marx and others, and put them together to centralize things
and to break down standard traditions, such as the basic, nuclear
family, for the purposes of the State or the people in charge at
that central headquarters running everything."
PEARSON:
Well not only do these people want to have power over us. They
want to destroy the American economy. They want to destroy our
borders. They want to make restrictions about who can own
property and about how industry is regulated.
VALENTINE:
Well that's what our government's doing now. And we don't have
any Marxists in the American government -- ha, ha, ha.
PEARSON:
We certainly do. And they are also doing very severe damage,
through legislation, to the American family. And to, also, our
belief systems, our culture. When you think about America, you
think about its culture and its rituals [CN -- also its colorful
colloquialisms, so *verboten* now in our major universities]. And
in terms of gender politics, what you might think of is, in the
1950s, the way a man would tip his hat to a lady or open a door
for her. Or the way daddy felt about his little girl. And how
boys, or children, inter-related with each other in terms of sex
roles.
Well the U.N. has an interest in that. And they have an interest
and it's very strong. There's a Convention on the Elimination of
all Forms of Discrimination Against Women. And we, as a nation,
have had a Congress and President who have decided that they want
to impose that, as the force of law, upon the American people.
And what *my* contention is, is that the basic premise of
feminism is faulty. And that women were never discriminated
against in America. And that they actually *chose* a different
role: That they preferred to live in marriages. And they
preferred to raise their own children. And they preferred this in
an equal relationship before God -- although their role was
different.
VALENTINE:
All right. That's a very fair beginning.
Now you say legislation had something to do with this. How about
giving me an example.
PEARSON:
Well, let me just read you a short list of some of the more
severe ones: Affirmative Action for Women (which is preference
for employment for women), Campus Security Act, the Gender Equity
in Education Act, the Violence Against Women Act, the Fair Pay
Act (which is now pending, before Congress), and the U.N.
Convention on the Elimination of all Forms of Discrimination
Against Women. *That*, uh U.N. Convention, is something that all
of these previous laws that I mentioned, are... those things are
mentioned in the [U.N.] Convention. And what our Congress is
doing is bringing us into accordance with global law concerning
men and women.
VALENTINE:
Do you think that this movement is the reason that the man can't
make enough money to support a family anymore; that both the man
and the wife have to work to make ends meet today?
PEARSON:
I think that the destruction of the economy was deliberate, in
order to create a crisis whereby they could lure first the man,
and then the woman, away from the children. Because a basic part
of Communism and people who believe in Communism is that the
children belong in the care of the State.
VALENTINE:
All right. Let's take this: The Gender Equity Act. You mentioned
that before.
PEARSON:
Well this is a *monstrous* piece of legislation. And just to
begin with, with that: If you look at the studies which preceded
the Gender Equity in Education Act and you find out what kind of
research was done to justify this massive piece of intrusive
legislation, what you find is that the statistics were grossly
distorted in order to achieve the answers that the radical
Marxist-Feminists wanted. And so, what we ended up with was a
study that said, "Girls suffer greatly in our school system and
in our culture. They have terrible blows to their self-esteem."
And that, in areas like math and science, "they're greatly
damaged and hindered by the American system" -- when, in fact,
that's really not true.
[...to be continued...]
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I received the following from a CN reader who wishes to remain
anonymous. What I plan to do is post the entire document over a
period of time, most likely in weekly installments. Here is part 11.
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CONSPIRACY:
THE INVISIBLE SECOND RUNG OF GOVERNMENT
An Investigation and Discussion of that Part of the United
States Government Which We Did Not Elect, Which Is Not
Accountable, Which Is Unconstitutional, Which Is Engaged In
Unlawful and Unconstitutional Activity, and Then Hides Behind
the National Security Act of 1947
PART I :
CITATION AND SUMMARY OF SOURCES
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35. Cooper, William, Behold A Pale Horse, Sedona, Arizona, Light
Technology Publishing, 1991. Cooper is a former United States Naval
Intelligence Briefing Team member, lecturer, and author. Summary:
Documents that in his attempts to get this information to the public, he
has been driven off the road twice by the same black limousine, the
second accident resulting in scars on his face and the loss of his leg.
He and his wife have been followed and harassed, with death threats on
their answering device, phone calls in the middle of the night, men
driving government cars stopping to ask who lives there, county sheriff's
deputy asking the postal clerk for information on Cooper's post office
box in an effort to discover where he lives, and strange people showing
up at their door in the middle of the night. "In 1988 Bill decided to
'talk' due to events then taking place worldwide, events which he had
seen plans for back in the early 70s. Since Bill has been 'talking' he
has correctly predicted the lowering of the Iron Curtain, the fall of the
Berlin Wall, and the invasion of Panama. All Bill's predictions were on
record well before the events occurred. Bill is not a psychic. His
information comes from Top Secret documents that he read while with the
Intelligence Briefing Team and from over 17 years of thorough research."
In his book, he strongly encourages people to not stop with the reading
of his book, but to do their own research.
The thrust of the book is presenting documentation and proofs
that there are secret plans in high places for the creation of a
totalitarian socialistic state, wherein the people are slave labor and
the elite run things for their own convenience and luxury. The list of
those who comprise the conspiratorial elite has existed for many
centuries and has gone underground and changed names upon discovery. The
list includes: "the Order of the Quest, the Jason Society, the
Roshaniya, the Qabbalah, the Knights Templar, the Knights of Malta, the
Knights of Columbus, the Jesuits, the Masons, the Ancient and Mystical
Order of Rosae Crucis, the Illuminati, the Nazi Party, the Communist
Party, the Executive Members of the Council on Foreign Relations, The
Group, the Brotherhood of the Dragon, the Rosicrucians, the Royal
Institute of International Affairs, the Trilateral Commission, the
Bilderberg Group, the Open Friendly Secret Society (the Vatican), the
Russell Trust, the Skull & Bones, the Scroll & Key, the Order - they are
all the same and all work toward the same ultimate goal, a New World
Order." The cults which call themselves "illuminated" are also involved.
Apparently not all who are members know of these plans, only
those in the upper echelons. These are all secret societies that
practice degrees of initiation, "and that is the key." It is through
their initiations that they discover who can be trusted and who not. The
lower echelons are an "innocent" organization of good works put into
place to form a safe buffer between themselves and the unsuspecting public.
One initiation rite involves asking the candidate to spit on the
Christian cross. If he refuses, then he is told, "You have made the
right choice, as a true adept would never do such a terrible thing," and
that candidate never advances any further. If he does spit on the cross,
then that candidate is congratulated and promoted.
In his book Cooper includes secret plans that he read while in
Naval Intelligence. One of them, Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, was a
paper that became public in 1979 after being found in an IBM copier
bought at a surplus sale. The top secret papers Cooper read "explained
that 'Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars' is the doctrine adopted by the
Policy Committee of the Bilderberg Group during its first known meeting
in 1954."
This doctrine outlines a plan for "tak[ing] control of the world
by the use of economic 'silent weapons' in a form of 'quiet warfare' and
reduce the economic inductance of the world to a safe level by a process
of benevolent slavery and genocide....[since the general public] has
become a herd of proliferating barbarians, and, so to speak, a blight
upon the face of the earth,"
The paper is a "formal Declaration of War by the Illuminati upon
the Citizens of the United States of America," only instead of a frontal
assault with regular bullets, they plan to use economic bullets,
computerized espionage on American citizens, a "permanent 'tattooed' body
number" for each citizen, eliminating advanced economic theory from
higher education in order to keep the masses from discovering their war,
open-ended social programs in order that "those who get hooked on the
economic drug, must go to the elite for a fix," creating inflation by
printing more money than the GNP, encouraging wars in which the creditor
is killed, encouraging impulse buying on the part of American citizens by
promoting TV ads where citizens are spoken to as if they are uncritical
and impulsive twelve year olds.
This plan delineates surveillance of citizens through phone taps,
analysis of garbage, observing children's behavior in school, marriage
and birth certificates, memberships in organizations, political
affiliation, checking accounts, credit-card purchases, credit
information, welfare and social security information ("the citizen will
almost always make the collection of information easy if he can operate
on the 'free sandwich principle' of 'eat now, and pay later,'"
information obtained from IRS, OSHA, Census, U.S. mail, crime records,
hospital records, psychiatric records, credit rating, police records,
driving records, insurance information, polls and surveys.
This plan also delineates use of this information as "excuses for
investigation, search, arrest, or employment of force to modify behavior."
The plan for secrecy includes diversionary tactics such as
disengaging the public's "attention from real issues" through creating
preoccupations of "sex, violence, and wars in the media - especially the
TV and the newspapers," manipulations of the media by keeping citizens
"captivated by matters of no real importance", of schools by keeping any
"real mathematics, real enonomics, real law, and real history" from being
taught, of entertainment by "keep[ing] the public entertainment below a
sixth-grade level", and of work by "keep[ing] the public busy, busy,
busy, with no time to think; back on the farm with the other animals".
The paper goes on to say, "When the government is able to collect
tax and seize private property without just compensation, it is an
indication that the public is ripe for surrender and is consenting to
enslavement and legal encroachment. A good and easily quantified
indicator of harvest time is the number of public citizens who pay income
tax despite an obvious lack of reciprocal or honest service from the
government." Speaking of the citizenry, "Simply put, they want a human
god to eliminate all risk from their life, pat them on the head, kiss
their bruises, put a chicken on every dinner table, clothe their bodies,
tuck them into bed at night, and tell them that everything will be
alright [sic] when they wake up in the morning." They equate a
politician with this human god who will promise everything and deliver
nothing.
Of the citizenry, it states, "they pay taxes to finance a
professional association of hit men collectively called politicians, and
then complain about corruption in government....They want authority...but
they will not accept responsibility or liability. So they hire
politicians to face reality for them." The Illuminati believes that a
nation becomes divided into two nations, one docile, the other
political. "The political sub-nation remains attached to the docile
sub-nation, tolerates it, and leaches its substance until it grows strong
enough to detach itself and then devour its parent." They believe the
purpose of the draft "is to instill, by intimidation, in the young males
of a society the uncritical conviction that the government is omnipotent"
and that it was "devised by the middle-aged and the elderly for the
purpose of pressing the young into doing the public dirty work. It
further serves to make the youth as guilty as the elders, thus making
criticism of the elders by the youth less likely....It is marketed and
sold to the public under the label of 'patriotic=national' service."
They believe that the end always justifies the means as to their
endeavors of getting complete control over the citizenry. "The
bookkeeper can be king if the public can be kept ignorant of the
methodology of the bookkeeping." The ignorant public "are beasts of
burden and steaks on the table by choice and consent."
Their rallying cry is a quote from Mayer Amschel Rothschild
(1743-1812), "Give me control over a nation's currency, and I care not
who makes its laws." They worship Rothschild's discovery that "when you
assume the appearance of power, people soon give it to you," or in other
words, that "currency...had the required appearance of power that could
be used to induce people...into surrendering their real wealth in
exchange for a promise of greater wealth (instead of real compensation).
They would put up real collateral in exchange for a loan of promissory
notes....Mr. Rothschild found that he could issue more notes than he had
backing for, so long as he had someone's stock of gold as a persuader to
show his customers....Then he would make money scarce, tighten control of
the system, and collect the collateral through the obligation of
contracts. The cycle was then repeated. These pressures could be used
to ignite a war. Then he would control the availability of currency to
determine who would win the war. That government which agreed to give
him control of its economic system got his support. Collection of debts
was guaranteed by economic aid to the enemy of the debtor....When the
subject citizens are rendered unable to control their financial affairs,
they, of course, become totally enslaved, a source of cheap labor."
Adam Weishaupt, a Jesuit priest and an Illuminati financed by
Rothschild, said, "The great strength of our Order lies in its
concealment; let it never appear in its own name, but always covered by
another name, and another occupation."
Regarding their whole plan, "the public might instinctively feel
that something is wrong, but because of the technical nature of the
silent weapon, they cannot express their feeling in a rational way, or
handle the problem with intelligence. Therefore, they do not know how to
cry for help, and do not know how to associate with others to defend
themselves against it."
Their Table of Strategies includes plans to: "Keep the public
ignorant...create preoccupation, attack the family unit, give less cash
and more credit and doles, attack the privacy of the church...minimize
the tax protest...maximize control, and collapse the currency." Their
efforts to keep the public ignorant include "keeping them confused,
disorganized, and distracted....The general rule is that there is profit
in confusion; the more confusion, the more profit. Therefore, the best
approach is to create problems and then offer the solutions."
Cooper points out that this Illuminati worships Lucifer as God,
the last mystery revealed to members. "If you do not believe in God,
Lucifer, or Satan, you must understand that there are great masses of
people who do. I do not believe in racism but millions do and their
beliefs and actions based upon those beliefs will affect me."
The Illuminati and Masons have had members who have written books
in the past revealing their secrets. One such member revealed "that the
Freemasons were pledged to...strike down the Church, the State, and the
freedom of the masses." One of their methods for doing so is
infiltration of respected and powerful organizations. Scotland Yard and
the Vatican have each at some point issued a ban on Masons being in their
employ because of their fear of being infiltrated. The Vatican has
recently lifted that several-hundred-year ban. "Many high-level members
of the Vatican are now Freemasons....ALL of the intelligence officers
that I worked for while in Naval Intelligence were Masons." A book by
Piers Compton called The Broken Cross "traces the infiltration of the
Catholic Church by the Illuminati."
The present Pope, John Paul II, was a chemist who helped develop
and sell cyanide gas for the I.G. Farben Chemical Company. He sold it to
the Nazis to use in Auschwitz to exterminate millions of Jewish people.
"After the war the salesman, fearing for his life, joined the Catholic
Church and was ordained a priest in 1946." Later he became a bishop in
Poland. "After a 30-day reign his predecessor was assassinated and our
ex-cyanide gas salesman assumed the papacy...."
A close friend of this Pope, Dr. Wolf Szmuness, was "the
mastermind behind the November/78 to October/79 and March/80 to
October/81 experimental hepatitis B vaccine trials conducted by the
Center for Disease Control in New York, San Francisco and four other
American cities that loosed the plague of AIDS upon the American people."
"The 1953 report of the California Senate Investigating Committee
on Education stated: 'So-called modern Communism is apparently the same
hypocritical world conspiracy to destroy civilization that was founded by
the illuminati, and that raised its head in our colonies here at the
critical period before the adoption of our Constitution.' The California
Senate understood that communism is the work of the Illuminati. They
failed to realize that the Council on Foreign Relations and the
Trilateral Commission are also the work of the Illuminati."
"The executive members of the Council on Foreign Relations are
the real elect in this country. George Bush is a member of the Order.
Surprised? You shouldn't be. His father was also a member who helped
finance Hitler." The oath that members take absolves them of and
supersedes all other oaths. "The CFR is a secret society in that it
forbids the taking of notes or the publishing of minutes of its
meetings." A 1930's attempt by the Knights of Malta, "the militia of the
Pope," to infiltrate the executive branch of U.S. government is discussed
in Congressional hearings held at the time to investigate. Yet, this
information is excluded from all history books. "President Reagan spoke
at the annual Knights of Malta dinner."
The headquarters for the Bilderberg Group is in Switzerland, "the
only European country never invaded or bombed during World Wars I and
II. Switzerland is the seat of world power. The goal of the Bilderberg
Group is a one-world totalitarian socialist government and economic
system." Their goal is fascism.
These secret societies, "operating in secrecy and infiltrating
every level of government and vital industry including the press, the
elect manipulate the people and nations of the world toward any direction
desired."
Cooper includes in his book a copy of an oath of initiation of
one of these secret orders to demonstrate their subversive nature. He
also includes a copy of the Secret Treaty of Verona, which was entered
into the Congressional Record in 1916. It is an agreement that was made
in 1822 between Austria, France, Prussia, and Russia to suppress
constitutional, representative self-governments in whatever countries
they may exist or might begin. Their methods included destroying free
speech, destroying and suppressing the press, universal censorship,
waging war on those countries with representative governments, sustaining
the cooperation of the Pope and clergy to use religion to help keep
nations in passive obedience, financing and funding war against those
countries with representative governments. The monarchs who signed this
treaty were ultimately deposed. "Most of these families are wealthy
beyond belief and may be more powerful today than when they sat upon
thrones. Today they are known collectively as the Black Nobility."
Privately these families refuse to recognize any right to rule except
their own. The fact that this treaty was made long ago does not mean it
is void.
Another area covered by Cooper is that of martial law. Through
an interlocking set of presidential orders, some of which are secret,
martial law has been extended to be all-inclusive and very broad. So,
too, the legal causes that would justify any president to declare martial
law have become so broad as to need no reasonable excuse. All references
to war or threat of war as possible causes have been removed and only
domestic crises are covered.
Any domestic excuse could be used, including food shortages, the
drug war, financial crisis, international tension, or oil spills. Once
the national emergency is declared by the president, the power to
implement all these executive orders automatically revert to FEMA. These
executive orders make provisions to take over communications media, power
sources, food resources, farms, all transportation, health, education,
and welfare, airports, aircraft, building materials, railroads,
waterways, petroleum, to mobilize all civilians into work brigades, to
register all civilians, and to relocate communities. FEMA also gets the
power to direct and use other federal agencies.
"The brains behind this contingency plan for a police state were
the members of the CFR and TC....The FEMA Advisory Board is dominated by
Professor Samuel P. Huntington....He wrote the "Seminal Peace" for the
Trilateral Commission in the mid-1970s, recommending that democracy and
economic development be discarded as outdated ideas." Huntington feels
that there are "potentially desirable limits to economic and democratic
growth. His "ideas were rewritten into National Security Decision
Directive 47" which "ordered preparedness measures that involved the
waiving or modification of socioeconomic regulations that delay emergency
responses and that should receive priority attention."
Also included in Cooper's book is the statement of Dr. William R.
Pabst from Houston, Texas. In 1976 he filed suit on behalf of the people
of the United States protesting the conspiratorial plot to destroy the
United States as we know it. His complaint mentions a concentration camp
program set up by the Department of Defense, and a constitution for the
"Newstates of America" designed by the Rockefeller-funded Center for the
Study for Democratic Institutions. This constitution mentions national
emergency 134 times, has no Bill of Rights, and the right to bear arms is
removed. Pabst says "Congressman Larry McDonald has revealed to Congress
that various guerrilla and terrorist groups were being financed by the
federal governXnt," which could trigger martial law, under which the
State Department would be in charge of preventing escape from the U.S. as
well as a national police force and use of prisoners for slave labor, the
Treasury Department would be in charge of collecting cash and non-cash
items, and the Commerce Department "would be responsible for
expropriation, selection and international distribution of commodities
(which would be the actual looting of the United States)...."
Pabst cites evidence of troops being trained to seize municipal,
county and state, governments. He also cites evidence that the L.E.A.A.
and the Police Foundation "are prime movers toward implementing a
national police force" which would be responsible for "taking over the
administration of local and state governments. That program is
'Operation Cable Splice....'" Operation Cable Splice provides that
"anyone who attacks the State - even verbally- becomes a revolutionary
and an enemy by definition." All military personnel involved in Cable
Splice training were ordered to train in civilian clothing in order to
prevent adverse publicity. The operation includes plans for
"confiscation of privately-owned weapons and ammunition."
Pabst says there are Pentagon files on 25 million Americans which
include "political, sociological, economic and psychological profiles."
The Uniform Mental Health Act allows for the governor to have anyone
picked up and held in an asylum while Health, Education and Welfare
determines "whether or not you were mentally disturbed because of your
nationalistic tendencies, your love for the United States, or your
adherence to any political or religious doctrine." The U.S. Public
Health Service is prepared to take over any and all mental health
facilities and use them as tools of repression on non-violent political
activists.
Pabst feels that unless you track all the small details of each
and every finger and toe of the government, you may miss the big
picture. He makes the following analogy: A man and his wife work at a
baby carriage factory in Nazi Germany. They are going to have a baby,
but the Nazis won't let anyone buy a baby carriage. "The man decided he
would secretly collect one part from each department and assemble the
carriage himself. When this was done he and his wife gathered up the
pieces and assembled it. When they were finished they did not have a
baby carriage; they had a machine gun."
Cooper outlines unconstitutional aspects contained within the
Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1988. These include: A loophole left up to the
judge's discretion for warrantless mass searches; "in some cases a trial
isn't automatic; you must request a hearing;" through implied consent,
citizens no longer have claim to certain rights; provision for studying
ways of prosecuting "Federal drug-related offenses in a matter
alternative or supplemental to the current criminal justice system;"
congressional requests for evaluating appropriateness of using biomedical
and behavioral research in the administration of health service (i.e.,
mind control); mandates a system of analysis and monitoring of money
transfer called "World Currency Control;" makes provision for the
Secretary of the Treasury to have the power to obtain "ANY transaction
records from ANY domestic financial institution (even those not part of
the bank/savings & loan system), as well as information on ALL of the
persons involved;" provisions for a special committee to review and
recommend changes on modifying Federal habeas corpus procedure; provides
for the FBI and Attorney General to take jurisdiction when requested, not
by the State, but by an employee head of any State agency for crimes of a
political nature; requires businesses to report all transactions of
$10,000 or more; requires verification and recording of identification of
purchaser of any "money order or other financial instrument of $3000 or
more;" orders a study on whether or not to withdraw cash bills of $50
and $100 from circulation; allocates $23 million "for a machine-readable
identity document program" for identifying known criminals trying to
cross borders, but the type of border is not named and no explanation is
given as to how to implement this without requiring all citizens to
cooperate; orders a study on requiring all "aircraft [and commercial
motor vehicles] to carry operating transponders so that they can be
tracked;" requires government lab facilities "to develop technologies for
Federal law enforcement (not limited to drug enforcement)," which would
include night vision, ground sensor and communications electronics,
physical electronic security, imaging electronic surveillance,
chemical/biosensor research and development, chemical/molecular research,
physical/electronic surveillance and tracking, and explosives ordnance
detection; provides grant money for state and local agencies to tie into
a $120 million data system containing all criminal justice agency
records, including domestic violence, at the federal, state and local
levels; calls for a study on establishing an international criminal
court, which would not have jurisdiction over any U.S. citizen unless the
U.S. lost its sovereignty; authorizes "postal authorities to serve
warrants, subpoenas, make arrests, carry firearms, and make seizures in
matters involving use of mails," yet the post office is a private
corporation and therefore is not part of the federal government; makes
mailing locksmithing equipment a crime ("many common tools can be
classified as locksmithing equipment"); legalizes arming foreign
country's aircraft as long as it is for drug control; mandates use of
military installations as mental treatment centers or prison camps;
proceeds from seized property and $200 million "are to be used for
construction of prisons, rewards for information or help, or for other
things the attorney general need not report;" creating slave labor by
allowing prisons to go "into business to produce products on an economic
basis," which would "only serve to destroy the last remnants of small
business."
Cooper includes in his book a section called Test Case for the
Police State, in which HB1750 "requires all Oklahoma residents to declare
everything they own to the tax collector, everything: guns, coins, art
collections, furniture, business equipment, bank accounts, household
furniture, etc." This will aid the New World Order in redistributing the
wealth. However Oklahoma goes, so goes the rest of the U.S.
Cooper documents that the New World Order plans to use some
reason or excuse to unify all the countries of the world, whether they
have to make up the reason or not. Possible reasons include:
Extraterrestrials attacking Earth, requiring that countries band together
in order to survive; collapse of civilization as a result of
over-population and exhaustion of the Earth's resources; and, extinction
of the human race through pollution of the Earth. The Illuminati
developed a two-pronged approach, lower the birth rate and increase the
death rate.
The Illuminati developed Aids and targeted "undesirable"
populations, blacks, Hispanics and homosexuals. "The African continent
was infected via smallpox vaccine in 1977. The vaccine was administered
by the World Health Organization." It was estimated that all of Africa
will be dead within 15 years without a cure. The gay population in San
Francisco, New York, and four other cities was infected through
experimental hepatitis B vaccine trials in 1979 and 1980. "The ads for
participants specifically asked for promiscuous homosexual male volunteers."
The Haig-Kissinger Depopulation Policy was ordered by the
Bilderbergers. It requires that Third World nations take effective steps
for population control or else the U.S. cuts off aid. "If the Third
World nations refuse, civil war usually breaks out and the rebels are
usually found to be trained, armed and financed by the CIA." Thomas
Ferguson, the Latin American case officer for the State Department's
Office of Population Affairs (OPA) said, "Either they do it our way,
through nice clean methods or they will get the kind of mess that we have
in El Salvador, or in Iran, or in Beirut. Population is a political
problem. Once population is out of control it requires authoritarian
government, even fascism, to reduce it....Civil wars are somewhat
drawn-out ways to reduce population. The quickest way to reduce
population is through famine, like in Africa or through Disease, like the
Black Death, all of which might occur in El Salvador." Mr. Ferguson's
budget just keeps doubling.
Dr. Paul Ehrlich (whose wife is a Club of Rome member) wrote The
Population Bomb. In it he says, "The problem could have been avoided by
population control, in which mankind consciously adjusted the birth rate
so that a 'death rate solution' did not have to occur."
"Tobacco fields in the U.S. have been fertilized with the
radioactive tailings from uranium mines, resulting in a tremendous
increase in the incidence of lip, mouth, throat, and lung cancer. If you
do not believe it, just look at the incidence of lung cancer per capita
before 1950 and compare it to the lung cancer per capita at the present
time."
"Malathion, a nerve gas developed by the Nazis during WWII to
kill people, is being sprayed heavily on population centers in
California. The helicopters come from Evergreen in Arizona, a known
government and a suspected CIA base." When California revolted against
the spraying, the Governor claimed he did not have the power to stop it.
In Colorado dioxin is showing up in their drinking water.
Revolting citizens are met with denial and character assassination.
Eighty years ago more consumption of fat, salt, and cholesterol resulted
in less heart disease. Now we consume less and have more heart disease.
It is a matter of public record that the Army and the CIA have tested
their latest biological warfare toys by releasing them on unsuspecting
U.S. citizens. Investigations into radioactive leaks revealed that some
of those leaks were not accidental, but purposeful. Legionnaire's
desease was released into the wind from a government boat while in San
Francisco Bay. The list goes on.
Cooper includes in his book a chapter called Lessons from
Lithuania written by Neal Knox. This paper documents the threat to
self-government when the right to keep and bear arms is removed. Despite
a constitutional right to keep and bear arms in Lithuania, years ago laws
were passed requiring gun registration. Later Gorbachev ordered all
citizens to turn in their guns temporarily. Two days later Russian
troops seized arms from their militia. Cooper feels it is because most
Americans own at least one firearm that has "kept the New World Order at
bay....As of January 8, 1991, less than 10% of all California gun owners
have registered their firearms. Many Californians stood in the streets
with weapons in hand and publicly burned the registration forms. Network
news did not cover these demonstrations, and no mention has been made on
television that California gun owners have ignored this unconstitutional
gun-registration law" which makes possible later confiscation.
Evidence is presented from no less than four sources that five
days prior to Nixon resigning, top secret messages were sent from an
unknown location to the Joint Chiefs of Staff informing them to no longer
accept any direct orders from the White House. This was a coup. "When
President Nixon gave his farewell speech, he said he would tell the
American people the truth about UFOs. Like James Forrestal, Richard
Nixon found himself a prisoner on the mental ward of Bethesda Naval
Hospital. Unlike Forrestal, Nixon survived. He has remained silent."
Cooper has an entire chapter devoted to top secret information
and history regarding UFOs and the role they play in our secret
government. NSA is the primary agency devoted to UFOs. NSA is also the
only government agency which is immune to all laws, except those which
spell out NSA in the text of the law, including the Freedom of
Information Act. It was decided that the funding for alien-connected and
other black projects would come from cornering the illegal drug market.
George Bush, a member of CFR and CEO of Zapata Oil, organized an
operation with the CIA using oil shipping routes and offshore platforms
to avoid customs and law enforcement. "The CIA now controls most of the
world's illegal drug markets."
Kennedy was assassinated because he discovered part of the truth
regarding the drugs funding the space/alien projects. After he issued an
ultimatum to clean up the drugs and a promise to inform the people of the
alien question, the Bilderbergers and CFR supervised his assassination.
Cooper has a copy of the Zapruder film which plainly shows Kennedy's
Secret Service driver, William Greer, turn, look over his right shoulder
and shoot with his left hand. "All of the witnesses who were close
enough to the car to see William Greer shoot Kennedy were themselves all
murdered within two years of the event....At the present time over 200
material witnesses or people actually involved with the assassination are
dead. The odds against this happening are so high that no one has been
able to calculate them. The odds against the first 18 to die within two
years of the assassination were calculated at one hundred thousand
trillion to one."
Cooper's research and knowledge of top secret documents indicate
that the secret government has some ungodly plans, some long-range plans
that have been in effect for years. Their plan involved creating many
social welfare programs to create a dependent, non-working population,
and then to remove these programs to force this population into a
criminal class. Through drugs and hypnotherapy used on mental patients,
they have "inculcated the desire in these people to open fire on
schoolyards and thus inflame the antigun lobby." There is evidence
connecting many of these types of incidents to the intelligence
community. Once the people are convinced of a crime wave, "they intend
to state that a terrorist group armed with a nuclear weapon has entered
the" U.S. "The government will then suspend the Constitution and declare
martial law....All dissidents, which translates into anyone they choose,
will be rounded up and placed in the one-mile-square concentration camps
which already exist." All media will be seized. All resistors will be
killed or imprisoned. A dress rehearsal of this plan, called REX-84A,
was carried out successfully in 1984.
Evidence is presented that the United Nations Treaty and the
United Nations Participation Act may have already compromised the
sovereignty of the U.S. However, in a stirring letter to the editor,
written by Marilyn Allen to the Texas News Herald, says that "all
renowned and genuine Constitutional experts (such as Thos. M. Cooley,
Thos. Jas. Norton, and Harry Atwood, to name several) have always held
that anything which contravenes, diminishes, or perverts the Constitution
is null and void and of no effect." She goes on to say that no president
can make any such far-reaching treaty "without laying himself open to the
charge of treason under Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution."
Cooper also includes in his book a complete copy of the Proposed
Consitutional Model for the Newstates of America, prepared over a
ten-year period and costing the taxpayers over $25 million.
Cooper includes a copy of the controversial Protocols of the Wise
Men of Sion, a conspiratorial plan to subjugate the world written by the
Illuminati and appearing in the early 1800s. Cooper's research indicates
that it was written intentionally to deceive people as to its
authorship. The Illuminati's deception sets up the Jewish people to take
the fall for it and be further persecuted. Their plan has certainly been
successful, as it is considered anti-Semitic to even refer to this
document, which makes it so no one can even discuss it, quite a coup for
the Illuminati.
This entire document is written to elevate the Illuminati to the
status of a god. The rest of the world is referred to as "cattle" and
with an attitude of disgust and disdain. Some ideas put forth in this
document include: Using the idea of political freedom merely as verbal
bait to draw in the masses; justification of their secret methods as
moral; honesty is a vice in politics; their right lies in force; their
power will be invincible because it will remain secret until such time
that their strength cannot be undermined by anyone; use of temporary evil
since the end justifies the means; they have placed many centuries' of
effort into this plan; good government is where all the power resides in
one person's despotic hands; teaching early immorality to children by
putting them in the hands of their agents; their methods include bribery,
theft, deceit, treachery, and violence; replacing the horrors of war with
less noticeable death sentences in order to produce blind submission;
remain merciless and severe in order to secure submission and sovereignty
of every government in the world; bring wars into the economic realm,
then the Illuminati's international rights will wipe out national rights;
government administrators will be chosen for their servile obedience and
lack of knowledge of governing, while being surrounded by the
Illuminati's learned and bred advisors; perpetrating scientific fraud in
order to educate minds in the direction the Illuminati wants; gaining
power to influence through the press, while remaining themselves in the
shadows; creating terror among rulers through assassination attempts in
order to create a gulf between the rulers and the people; arming all
parties in order for them to be constantly at odds with each other,
setting one against another in all categories, including personal,
national, religious, and racial; giving journalists the right to scribble
nonsense side by side with valid articles; making it so the masses
receive no profit from the constitution besides what the Illuminati
flings them from their table, forcing the masses to vote according to
Illuminati dictate; once the masses have been beaten down, then the
Illuminati will enter as saviors to invite the masses to enter the
Illuminati's fighting ranks of socialists, anarchists, and communists;
killing out the masses, as hunger creates the right of capital to rule
the worker; by want and the envy and hatred which it engenders the
Illuminati shall move the mobs and simultaneously eliminate those in the
way; teach in the national schools division of labor and division of men
into classes; once in power, work positions will be appointed by the
state; arranging for people to blindly believe anything in print; once
all the gold is in the Illuminati's hands, they will set up a universal
economic crisis, during which they will let loose the mobs filled with
hatred to shed blood and loot property, but the Illuminati will not be
touched by the mobs, because the moment of attack will be known to the
Illuminati and they shall take measures to protect themselves; they take
responsibility entirely for the French Revolution; plans to erase the
word freedom from language once they are in power; knowing that no one is
in a position to overthrow an invisible force, using masonry as a screen
for themselves; plans to undermine all faith, tear out the principle of
God and spirit, replacing these with arithmetical calculations and
material needs; through "shocks delivered to economic life," the struggle
for superiority will intensify, creating cold and heartless communities;
corrupting communities so that riches are attained only by clever
surprises of swindling; centralization of government; disarm the people;
debilitate the public mind through criticism, distraction and diversion;
train the masses to accept words for deeds; make politicians empty
orators who will exhaust the patience of the masses; bewilder the masses
with too many contradictory opinions; sow discord; discourage personal
initiative through despair and impotence; establish huge monopolies of
colossal riches, upon which the individual's fortune depends, so that
they will all go to the bottom together along with the credit of the
government on the day after the political smash; create a greedy demand
for luxury to swallow up everything; undermine productivity; create an
illusion of progress by raising wages, but then negate that by raising
prices; increase police force; create inseparate nations by tangling up
all the threads from all governments through politics, economic treaties,
and loan obligations; assume a mask of honesty and compliance, while
simultaneously training the masses to see only superficialities; respond
to opposition through war and respond to collective opposition through
world war; should one of the Illuminati disobey, force them to face
criminal charges or make them disappear; create a Super-Government
Dictatorship; though the masses be begging for peace, the Illuminati will
refuse to give them peace until the masses acknowledge the Illuminati's
"international Super-Government;" fool, bemuse and corrupt the masses'
youth by rearing them in principles and theories which are known by the
Illuminati to be false on the one hand, but inculcated by them on the
other; create a tangled web of legislation; make discussion of religion
and politics taboo; create an over-inflated sense of importance within
each individual in order to destroy the family unit; don't allow any
detailed discussion of their overall plan among themselves; arrange
elections of presidents who have in their past some dark, undiscovered
stain that will make them obedient pawns out of fear of discovery;
abolition of every kind of constitution through destructive small,
successive steps; create irregularities and incompetence in rulers so
the people will beg for one king over all the earth; exhaust humanity
with dissension, hatred, struggle, envy, torture, starvation, inoculation
of diseases, and want; the masses are a flock of sheep and the Illuminati
are their wolves; once all the masses rights have been removed, the
Illuminati will keep promising to restore those rights just as soon as
peace has been restored; the "basis for our organization of secret
Masonry which is not known to, and aims which are not even so much as
suspected by, these cattle, attracted by us into the 'show' army of
masonic lodges in order to throw dust in the eyes of their fellows;" use
the press to inflame passions toward the Illuminati's ends; once in
power, eliminate the free press such that "not a single announcement will
reach the public without [the Illuminati's] control;" control the few
agencies which receive all the news items from all over the world [wire
services]; create government controlled permission to publish; control
the press by having Illuminati agents in the central department of the
press who will without attracting attention issue the orders and
watchwords of the day, discussing and controverting, but without ever
touching the essence of the matter; allow the press to carry out already
agreed upon attacks upon the government to keep the people believing in
freedom of speech; bind journalists with professional secrecy; admit only
journalists with a hidden disgraceful sore in their past; once in power,
criminal cases will not be allowed in the press in order to keep the
people believing that there is peace; to keep the people from guessing
the truth, distract them with amusements, games, pastimes, passions,
people's palaces, art competitions, and sports competitions such that the
people grow accustomed to never forming any opinions of their own;
destroy all other religions but the Illuminati's; keep the Illuminati's
true religion a secret and never discuss it openly; once in power, all
secret societies will be banned and punished with death; once in power,
government resolutions will be final and without appeal; almost all
agents of international and national police will be agents of the
Illuminati; death for anyone who hinders them, including masons, in a
manner that looks like a normal illness so that no one suspects murder;
the Illuminati keep their own people and agents in a state of
unquestioning submission, including judges and senators; because of the
Illuminati's belief in their own "higher quality of humanness," they
believe nature has destined them to rule the world; once in power, remake
the laws into very simple laws understood by all and criminality will be
punished mercilessly; once in power, the Illuminati's legal staff will
not serve over the age of 55, so that a continuously changing staff will
bend more easily under their hand; once in power, the Illuminati will
abolish the idea that a judge's decision could be wrong; "our supreme
will will be respected and unquestionably fulfilled" by punishing
discontents; once in power, the Illuminati's government will appear to be
a patriarchal guardianship so that the masses will feel a devotion
bordering on apotheosis or deification; emasculate universities through
re-educating them in a new direction by keeping the professors wholly
dependent upon the government, by eliminating freedom of instruction and
by eliminating courses in law, politics, classicism, ancient history, and
every other disturbing subject; once in power, replace the study of
history with the study of the future; once in power, rewrite history to
emphasize mistakes of prior governments; swallow up independent thought
by teaching through object lessons, thereby training the brutish masses
to wait for things to be presented before their eyes in order to form an
idea of them; once in power, judges and attorneys will be deprived of the
right to communicate with litigants, except through court reports;
attorneys will be paid regardless of the quality of their defense;
encourage freedom of conscience to aid "the complete wrecking of that
Christian religion;" discredit the priesthood; create spies and informers
even within families to keep the rest of the cattle under observation;
once in power, anyone who refuses to inform will be charged with
concealment; all the abuses of power, deceit, bribery, murder, force,
which they have introduced into the cattle's government, the Illuminati
will disallow in their own once they are in power; destroy the prestige
of rulers by making frequent attempts on their lives; once in power,
their ruler will appear in public surrounded by a mob of apparently
curious men and women who will occupy the front ranks about him, to all
appearance by chance, in order to create the illusion of total
confidence; once in power, criminals will be arrested merely on the first
well-grounded suspicion; destroy the heroism of political crimes by
treating them the same as murder; maintain a standardized property tax to
excite trouble and discontent among the masses, but once in power, create
a progressive property tax in order to not plant seeds of revolution
among the masses; once in power purchase, receipt of money or
inheritance, and any transfer of property will be subject to a stamp
progressive tax and weekly document collection; once in power the
presence of rulers at receptions for the sake of etiquette, which absorbs
so much invaluable time, will be abolished, since they were originally
created by the Illuminati merely to waste time and create a screen for
the Illuminati's rule; withdrawing money and gold from circulation and
from States in order to force the use of loans; reckon children as
consumers of currency from the day of their birth; once in power, budgets
of income and expense will be carried out side by side in order to not
obscure them by distance from each other; in order to bankrupt the
States, create irregularities, such as drag out a budget to half the year
so the masses will demand a supplementary budget to put things right,
then the following year the masses will draw up a budget equaling the
total sum of the previous year, so that annually the budget grows as much
as 50 percent; create loans external to the country so that the masses
money will end up in the Illuminati's coffers, so that eventually the
debts will be in amounts quite impossible to pay; once in power, the
government will be transformed into a lender of money at profit; the
bankruptcies created by the Illuminati are for the purpose of proving to
the masses that the state does not have the masses interests at heart;
creating grandiose government credit institutions to fling upon the
market five hundred millions of industrial paper in one day or to buy up
for the same amount, in order to make industrial undertakings dependent
upon the Illuminati; "In our hand is the greatest power of our day -
gold....surely we shall not fail with such wealth to prove that all that
evil which for so many centuries we have had to commit has served at the
end of ends the cause of true well-being - the bringing of everything
into order;" the Illuminati's authority will create reverent fear in all
the peoples, since "true force makes no terms with any right, not even
with that of God;" once in power, reduce the production of luxury items
in order to inculcate lessons of humility in the masses; create
unemployment, but once in power, eliminate it; once in power, punish
drunkenness as a crime; allow anarchical and demoralized societies
(gangs) to spring up among the masses to commit robbery and violence, but
once the Illuminati is in power, resurrect them in the form of regularly
organized fighting troops; and, allow only agents of the Illuminati who
know "the secrets" to become heads of government.
[...to be continued...]
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FLYING HIGH WITH COMMANDER BILLY JEFF
"A Scenario"
[...continued...]
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Billy Jeff gave the nod to the old boozer down at the end of the
bar, then left the tavern.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
The "old boozer" pulled a pistol with silencer from his coat,
strode swiftly up to the bartender and shot him dead, right
between the eyes.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
He removed the silencer, then placed the pistol in the now dead
bartender's right hand. Another "suicide".
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Back in the limousine, Commander Billy Jeff was on the phone with
Dee Dee, his press liaison. "What's on the schedule?" he asked.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"We've arranged it that the media is going to discover you at a
bookstore. You are going to be surprised by them as you exit with
an armful of books."
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Say," mused The Commander, "will I get to make a speech?"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"*No*!! Please, not that... er, I mean uh, no. Given that you
have been discovered by surprise, a speech wouldn't look right."
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Oh, darn... Hey, you think maybe I can give a speech later on?
How about to some poor rubes in some hick town... Hey! Like
Galesburg, Illinois! Aren't I scheduled for there?"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Sure," answered Dee Dee. "Those small-town bozos will be so
amazed at your visit that we can get them to act enthusiastic. No
problem."
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
The limousine pulled up at a local bookseller's. The camera crews
were already setting up when Billy Jeff entered the store. Rita
Braver watched in worshipful silence.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Fifteen minutes later, Commander Billy Jeff exited the store with
an armful of books. Rita Braver reported, live: "Gosh, Dan. What
a surprise! Quite by chance we have this live video of Commander
Billy Jeff finishing up some shopping here at a local book store.
Gosh! I'm all ga-ga! I feel just like a teenage girl!"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Billy Jeff paused before entering the limo. He looked off into
the distance, as if he was seeing some vast future. Rita Braver
almost swooned. Dan Blather cut in to ask, "Rita, is it true that
Billy Jeff is a Yale man?"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Rita, always the "professional", pulled out of her swoon. "That's
correct, Dan. He (like myself, I blush to add) attended elite
universities. We are, if I do say so myself, the creme de la
creme. (That's French, you know.)"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
The limousine, with Commander Billy Jeff inside, drove off into
the sunset. Rita Braver wrapped it all up: "And there you have
it. I'm going to buy a bunch of teenage magazines and have a
pajama party. Back to you, Dan."
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Back at the White House, Billy Jeff sat in the oval office,
drumming his fingers on the table. This moment of reverie did not
last long. "Say, I sure am hungry," he said.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
He picked up the phone and called down to the White House
kitchen.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Chef Pierre answered the phone. "Oui?"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Say, Pierre, how's about rustlin' me up some grub?"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Ah, oui... Monsieur is hungry."
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Oui, oui, Pierre. I sure could go for some of that fine French
cooking. Like, you know, maybe some French hamburgers and some
French fries."
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Ah, but of course! Commander Beeley Jeff, I weel get right on
eet."
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Chef Pierre hung up the phone, but did not rise from his chair.
"Eh, Louie!" he called.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Louie, the assistant chef, looked up. "Oui?"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Meester Potato Head ees hungry. Go to zee McDonalds for zee fine
French cooking."
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Commander Billy Jeff finished the last of the hamburgers that
Louie had brought. He wiped his mouth. "No one can cook a
hamburger like the French!" he belched. "I just love that fine
French cooking!"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
The phone rang. It was Billy Jeff's old buddy from Arkansas, Dan
Lizard! "Hey, Billy Jeff!" said Dan. "Get on the Air Force One
and get down here! We're havin' a wild cocaine party! There's
tons of high school chicks!"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Hot dog!" replied the Commander. "Cocaine party! High school
chicks! I'm on my way!"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Commander Billy Jeff called down to the Secret Service. "Hey,
Secret Service! Fire up Air Force One and get me a 'copter on the
front lawn! I'm on a diplomatic investigative mission to
Arkansas!"
[...to be continued...]
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FEMINISM: MASK FOR MARXISM?
Tom Valentine's guest on *Radio Free America* (Shortwave, 5.065
MHz, mon-fri, 9 pm cst) on December 28, 1994 was Andrea Pearson,
editor-in-chief of a newsletter called "Americans In Exile"
[contact info to be included below]. Ms. Pearson has some non-
politically correct views on feminism, etc. Note that views
expressed in the following do not necessarily reflect my own
views or those of Conspiracy Nation.
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TOM VALENTINE:
I can tell ya, being a student in high school in '49, '50, '51,
'52, that that wasn't true.
ANDREA PEARSON:
Oh it certainly isn't true...
VALENTINE:
Our class valedictorian was a girl! [i.e., young wommon; cf.
*Politically Correct Bedtime Stories* by James Finn Garner.]
PEARSON:
Oh yes, absolutely. There *is* no gender inequity in education.
And yet, in the Gender Equity in Education Act what we end up
with is a massive system -- not only re-writing of history,
textbooks intended to create certain opinions in children
regarding gender roles, but really disgusting things like parent
education about gender roles and their influence on learning.
VALENTINE:
All right. I want to take this up in more detail when we come
back.
My guest is Andrea Pearson. And we're talking about the gender
war, and Marxism. I'm Tom Valentine. This is *Radio Free
America*.
[...break...]
We are *live*, again. And on the other end of the telephone is
Andrea Pearson. And we're gonna be continuing to talk about the
Gender Equity in Education Act. I profess a great deal of
ignorance here on this subject.
Andrea, I believe you put out a little newsletter or something on
this, don't you?
PEARSON:
Yeah, I sure do.
VALENTINE:
Tell me about that, too.
PEARSON:
Well, anyone who's interested in obtaining the newsletter can
either write to me or call me. The address is: Americans in
Exile, P.O. Box 2636, Pittsfield, Massachusetts, 01202. And my
phone number is (413) 499-3593.
VALENTINE:
Oh, I have that number! I thought maybe you had a different
number for that. O.K. It's "Americans in Exile". Ah-hah! Are
*you* an "American in exile"?
PEARSON:
I think that most people who have the traditional belief systems
about what marriage is, what the parents' role is towards their
children, and so forth and so on, *are* "exiled" in America
today.
VALENTINE:
O.K. Andrea, will you send out a sample if people write to you
and say that they'd like to see it?
PEARSON:
Yeah, I sure will!
VALENTINE:
O.K. Good. We got that done.
Now, this Gender Equity in Education Act. (I *should* know all
about it.) I don't know a thing about it. When'd they pass this?
PEARSON:
It was passed in 1993.
VALENTINE:
Oh, last year!
PEARSON:
Yeah. And what it does is, it allows, first of all, for the
connection of major government systems: Health and Human
Services, uh there's... They call it "The Link-up for Learning".
And what it does is, it puts together a *huge* federal-level
method for tabulating where students are: their socio-economic
status, their race, their sex, and so forth...
VALENTINE:
Oh, is this the thing that Beverly Eckman has helped uncover in
her book about education?
PEARSON:
It's very likely that it may be related to that. I don't know if
she's aware of this or not. But one thing that it says here (I'm
reading), it says, "improve inter-agency communications and
information sharing, including developing local-area
telecommunication networks, software development, database
integration and management." And this is with major areas of the
federal government. There's a federal inter-agency task force
that's been set up "consisting of the Secretary of Education,
Housing and Urban Development, Health and Human Services, and
heads of other federal agencies, as appropriate." This is a huge
bill. It's $360 million in the first year.
VALENTINE:
All right, now, this is strange. Most Americans, including
myself, would think that's awfully innocuous -- telling the
bureaucrats of our government to get together and computerize.
But what you're saying is, by having government bureaucrats get
together and computerize, they are micro-managing lives in a way
that is detrimental to our traditional society.
PEARSON:
Well it *is* invasive to the family. But it's also particularly
disturbing that the kind of things that they're paying attention
to are the gender role socialization within a particular
student's family. And also, you know this bill provides for so
much, it's difficult to talk about *all* of it. But...
VALENTINE:
Well, wait a minute: gender role socialization inside a
particular family??
PEARSON:
That's right.
VALENTINE:
How do they go about doing this? What do they do?
PEARSON:
Well, one thing is to change the textbooks so they're considered
to be "gender equitable". Another thing that they do is, they put
monies into different parts of the country: "At least one grant,"
(and I'm quoting here), "in each of the ten federal regions."
That's *their* words.
Also, in the U.N. [United Nations] treaty, they talk about this
same sort of thing being put into the education system. We're
getting into conformity with U.N. law here.
VALENTINE:
All right, does that mean... I'm trying to get this in a
practical, down-to-earth, 1950s mentality -- which I'm stuck with
when it comes to education and school. That means that boys don't
go to wood shop anymore, and girls don't go to "home ec." [i.e.,
home economics]
PEARSON:
Uh...
VALENTINE:
They all go to sex education.
PEARSON:
Well... It's not that simple. There's "set-asides" for pregnant
teenagers. It allows for the erection of day-care centers --
either next to the school or nearby the school, with
transportation provided. It provides for all kinds of special
privileges for girls...
VALENTINE:
I got ya. All right.
Andrea is my guest, Andrea Pearson and the American in Exile. And
we're gonna open up the phone lines to you.
I'm Tom Valentine. This is *Radio Free America*.
[...break...]
All right. We are back, live. My guest is Andrea. Andrea Pearson,
the producer of "Americans in Exile" newsletter, out of Post
Office Box 2636, in Pittsfield, Massachusetts, 01202.
And Andrea, this Gender Equity in Education Act sounds like a
massive thing, sort of like the crime bill. And it slipped
through in 1993. There wasn't a lot of fanfare, was there?
PEARSON:
There wasn't a lot of fanfare. I'd be surprised if most Americans
knew about it. I think that they'd be *horrified* if they knew
what was in it.
VALENTINE:
Well I'm... I don't even fully understand yet. We've been talking
about it, but um... It's a big bill, and you say it's horrifying.
Yet I don't sense the urgency. Somehow, we're not getting it
across, of how bad it is.
PEARSON:
Well, one thing that seems to me like a real whopper is, that an
"at risk" student is defined here. And this is the definition.
(I'd like to read it, 'cause I think it's so serious): "Many 'at
risk' students suffer the effects of inadequate nutrition and
health care, overcrowded and unsafe living conditions and
homelessness, family and gang violence, substance abuse, sexual
abuse and child abuse, involuntary migration, and limited English
proficiency, that often creates severe barriers to learning" the
knowledge and skills, and so forth.
Then it later... This is one thing that they're going to give
grants to support, is grants to local education agencies to
improve educational performances of "at risk" students by
removing barriers to their learning.
The trouble is, is with Bill of Rights, is that what *happens*
is, the government starts stepping in and saying that poverty,
and someone who's unemployed, may in fact be... uh, that
constitutes "dysfunction" within a family. And you know as well
as I do that this monstrous "child protective services" industry
that's been set up, [it] gobbles up people.
VALENTINE:
They abuse it. I mean, we have had... We've had people (and
you've probably heard 'em on this show) that are *very* concerned
about the social welfare abuse system, where a child can actually
point a finger at the parents and yell, "Mommy and daddy are
treating me bad!" -- and the State's gonna come in and throw
mommy and daddy in the slammer and put the kid in a foster home!
PEARSON:
Oh sure. And what it does is, it integrates services,
regulations, databases, eligibility procedures, and funding
sources, "focusing school and community resources on prevention
and early intervention strategies, to address student needs
holistically."
Now the trouble is, is that what's happening in this country is
we are having Marxism imposed with the force of law on the
people. And Marxists believe that children should be in the care
of the State. Now the forceable removal of children is one thing.
But the coercion of the child away from the American culture and
values, their Christian, or Judeo-Christian values, is something
that I think would disturb a lot of people. And the roles of
husband and wife are something that our government has an
unhealthy interest in.
VALENTINE:
Well frankly, the federal government especially has *no* business
in *any* of these things, that you're talkin' about. The schools
should be run by the local school districts, or the people who
are sending their kids to that school oughtta run that district.
If you'd like to join us (my guest is Andrea Pearson), and if
you'd like to join us, it's 1-800-878-8255.
Did you know that this Feminism, that she's talking about, had
this Marxist agenda? And it's been insidious! You know, they...
What was it that somebody said? "You don't lose your freedom in
one big fell swoop. You lose it little by little." I think that's
what's happening here, Andrea.
[...to be continued...]
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FEMINISM: MASK FOR MARXISM?
Tom Valentine's guest on *Radio Free America* (Shortwave, 5.065
MHz, mon-fri, 9 pm cst) on December 28, 1994 was Andrea Pearson,
editor-in-chief of a newsletter called "Americans In Exile"
[contact info to be included below]. Ms. Pearson has some non-
politically correct views on feminism, etc. Note that views
expressed in the following do not necessarily reflect my own
views or those of Conspiracy Nation.
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[...continued...]
ANDREA PEARSON:
Absolutely, I think it is. Also, when Congress considered passing
this U.N. treaty, they talk about how "patterns of conduct" is in
article five of the treaty.
TOM VALENTINE:
All right. Now this U.N. Convention, this treaty, is this the one
that goes clear back to 1957, in establishing the U.N.?
PEARSON:
Uh...
VALENTINE:
Or is this something new?
PEARSON:
Well, actually, it was signed on behalf of the united States in
1980. It has not been ratified yet. But one provision in the
document is to say that the different States' parties can bring
their own federal laws into compliance.
Now what this treaty does, in lots of ways, is it regulates
conduct, it alters culture... It talks about how the State should
provide for health care, and women should have equal opportunity
for all sorts of things -- that I don't think the American people
*want* women to have equal opportunity, say, for military
service. Or we don't necessarily feel that our "patterns of
conduct" or our culture are something that we want changed.
What disturbs me the most about this is that there was no public
debate about this [e.g. The Gender Equity in Education Act]. And
I believe that anyone who's a historian or who has studied
American history *knows* that people like Thomas Jefferson,
George Washington, and so forth, were not "white male dictators"
in general, and certainly did not abuse their wives. And yet
Marxists believe that they did.
Just this one piece of evidence of that: if you look at the
*Notes on the State of Virginia* by Thomas Jefferson... And he's
writing, in this case, about the American Indians. But he's
talking about how *they* relate, in terms of men and women. And
he says, "It is civilization alone which places women in the
enjoyment of their natural equality."
And I believe that, in America, women were free creatures who
were very happy the way they were. And not only that, they worked
when they wanted to. There was, in fact, no discrimination
against women.
VALENTINE:
Well if they wanted to [work], they certainly could.
All right. If you'd like to join us, 1-800-878-8255. Andrea
Pearson is my guest. "Feminizing and Marxizing Us". I'm Tom
Valentine, *Radio Free America*.
[...break...]
All right, we are back, live. And a very important part of
everyday life is being discussed tonight: the role of women in
this here united States of America.
Mark, [in] Sarasota. You're on, with Andrea.
Hello, Mark.
MARK:
Yeah. Good evening, Andrea. It's just wonderful and refreshing to
hear a woman come on the air with your viewpoints. Actually,
today, in the media, that's all you get is the left-wing
viewpoint of women -- feminized, feministic views of women today.
I have one point that I want to just clarify with you. You
mentioned that it's our Judeo-Christian heritage. Actually, it's
really our Christian heritage. And that's an important part and
it should be emphasized too. That when we go back and we're
talkin' about people like Thomas Jefferson and some of our
founding fathers and George Washington, remember that this was a
Christian heritage. It wasn't a Judeo-Christian heritage. Many of
the Marxist, Communist ideas have been introduced in the Judeo-
Christian churches today which are not really our founding,
Christian heritage at all.
PEARSON:
I understand what you're saying, about our Christian heritage,
and I agree with you. But I also believe that there are a number
of very honorable and good Jewish people who honor the same
principles that I talk about, that you are espousing too. And I
don't like to exclude people -- and particularly if you read in
the work of St. Paul, in Romans, [chapter] eleven. He talks about
how even though some of these Jewish people may have been
deceived, that that was for our blessing. And I really don't like
to divide things according to religious lines when I'm talking
about America.
And I think that the Biblical history as well is something that
shows very *clearly* what the role of women should be. And it's
often referred to in the New Testament. Also, those kinds of
things are found in the Old Testament, such as the ruling of
Appolya(?), or Jezebel, in Judah. I don't think that (even though
I sense in many of the Jewish people that they espouse this kind
of agenda), I think that many people who are Christians, or who
call themselves Christians, often have incorporated the Feminist
agenda into their very churches. I hear [of] female ministers and
female priests, and I don't believe that that's something that's
according to God's law! I think that...
VALENTINE:
That's a big fight going on right now, especially in the Lutheran
and the Episcopalian church.
PEARSON:
Absolutely! And I've watched that. And I'm particularly disturbed
at the way that Christianity is being re-written. And I think we,
as Christians, need to mind our own business pretty carefully.
Because things are gettin' serious out there.
VALENTINE:
All right. Mark, I understand where you're coming from also: that
there are many people who feel that the traditional, Christian
values have been distorted. And one of the things to do is to use
language in such a way, and that the Ecumenical movement, which
has watered down basic Christianity, utilized that phrase,
"Judeo-Christian"...
MARK:
That's right.
VALENTINE:
...and people see it for that and... And so you both make a good
point, and I appreciate your call very much!
MARK:
Thank you.
VALENTINE:
Gene, in Savannah, Georgia.
GENE:
How are ya doin', Tom?
VALENTINE:
Just fine.
GENE:
Uh, Andrea. Pleased ta meet ya. You've got a very good, and
serious, subject. I think it strikes at the *heart* of the matter
of what's happening in America. If we can strike at this, first,
the right to bear arms is second to this. We need to back it up.
But as a man, and someone who tries to exercise their rights over
children, it becomes very difficult. And how to attack it: I've
done a little research, reaching, uh studying Kent's commentaries
and Blackstone's commentaries. I've discovered that even the
common law doesn't really help that much. It seems like the
common law has been divided into, well, I think it's been
traversed. I call it, "the king's common law". And I think the
last caller has a pretty good point. I studied Judaism a little
bit, and it looks like, in the Jewish religion, that the mother
is held up as the head of the family. And under the king's common
law, the kind of like, you know, in the old days, about
legitimizing a child and all that -- and it has a lot to do with
today's "birth certificate". If you don't have a birth
certificate, you lose... you know, you almost... You try to
retain your rights to your child, but without the birth
certificate you're in a paradox and you lose your rights to the
child.
And if you look into the law libraries, you can read about using
the petition of *habeas corpus* to bring the child forth. And I
think this is evidence that the Biblical common law was where the
father was head of the family and, you know, as long as he obeyed
God's law. And well, whoever, you know, really disobeyed the law
of God was actually the one who should be, you know, punished or
what have you. But the child should stay with the father as long
as, you know, he obeyed...
VALENTINE:
Well the point that seems to be coming out of both of you is
that, the traditions that are the glue of our society have been
set down in Scripture for a long, long time -- both in the Old
and the New Testaments. And if we stopped getting away from that,
we wouldn't be doing so badly.
GENE:
Yeah. I'm wondering if, when this type of "king's common law", as
I call it, has been switched from Biblical common law over... I
was wondering if it was when Oliver Cromwell allowed the Jewish
people into England. I'm just theorizing.
VALENTINE:
That's a, that's a subject for another show some night. And there
are a lot of people that go into that particular aspect of the
control over the British-speaking [sic] people and the use of the
Bible and so on.
Gene, I appreciate your call.
Dan, in Schenectady, New York!
DAN:
Yes sir! Well I wanna say two things: one is, it's a privilege to
be listening to you, Andrea, and hearing your commentary tonight.
And Tom, we've been listening to you for a couple of years, and
in the last year or so on shortwave. And it's good to hear you in
this area.
First, I wanna say, number one, is the comments with regard to
the laws passed and everything: I think the issue that many of us
are concerned about is, a lot of times (in the dark of night, so
to speak) laws are passed that nobody knows much about. And it
really brings us to the question of localism. In not just, you
know, laws, but in virtually controlling the community around us.
A lot of the things that are mentioned in the law that Andrea
raised, or I should say, that was passed, are probably more
proper items for a local community. Because a lot of times it
depends on that local community -- its mores, their social
conditions, and what's involved. And a lot of times, we lose
track of the fact that, you know, the whole, the whole issue of
our Constitution, etc., invests a lot of power *downward*. From
the federal level, down to the local communities.
VALENTINE:
Well Dan, that's what I've thought: that this doesn't belong in
the federal government at all. And I'm out of time right now, and
I really appreciate your calling. And I'll have Andrea comment on
what you had to say, as soon as we get back.
I'm Tom Valentine. This is *Radio Free America*.
[...break...]
[...to be continued...]
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"American movement" -- of arms and ideology
[From *USA Today*, Jan. 30, 1995, p. 7A]
(Spurred on by the fiery disaster in Waco, America's militia
movement is growing, armed and -- some say -- dangerous.)
Militias stepping out from shadows
==================================
By Mark Potok
(Dallas) -- Men train in the pre-dawn darkness of a field north
of here, dummy weapons in hand.
Others study military medicine west of Fort Worth or practice
shooting skills and survival exercises outside San Antonio.
A movement is growing in this state and the nation -- a rising of
thousands of people inflamed by often-bizarre ideologies that
call for forming armed volunteer militias to save the United
States from fascism.
"The militia movement," says Texas organizer Jon Roland, "is a
good-government movement with guns."
And that's the theme that increasingly is alarming state and
federal law enforcement officials, who, after years of dismissing
them, are beginning to take militias seriously.
In the past six months, militias -- many called to arms by the
government's deadly standoff two years ago with Branch Davidians
near Waco -- have appeared in at least 24 states, drawing up to
50,000 members.
-+- Grim warnings of a showdown -+-
Claiming that criminal elements have taken over much of the
federal government, most militia leaders have avoided calls for
an armed uprising but darkly warn they may one day have to shoot.
"There is one last hope to avoid armed confrontation, and that's
if our state governments rise up and tell our federal government
to back off," says Ray Southwell, chief of staff for the
commander of the Northern Michigan Regional Militia. "If the
state does not rise up... the American people will."
Talk like that -- along with the boasts of many militia leaders
of secret units of police and military -- deeply concerns
observers.
Although federal officials will not publicly discuss any
investigations, a 10-page intelligence brief by federal Bureau of
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms recently was circulated to several
police departments. It warned that militiamen are "extremely
paramilitary, anti-ATF and literal interpreters of the
Constitution" who may be breaking gun laws. {1}.
That would not come as a surprise to Michigan officials.
"We've got such an insurgency here," says Fowlerville, Mich.,
Police Chief Gary Krause after the arrest of three camouflaged
militia members in a car full of semiautomatic weapons, gas
masks, night-vision devices and 700 rounds of ammunition, some of
it armor-piercing. "There's a very high potential of something
disastrous happening."
-+- A wake-up call in Waco -+-
The idea of militias, drawn from earlier groups like Posse
Comitatus and Aryan Nations {2}, took root again in 1992 when an
FBI sniper killed the wife of an Idaho separatist.
But it was Waco that really got the movement going. Many militia
members saw the 52-day standoff and fiery disaster that ended it
as proof that the federal government would stop at nothing to
crush resistance.
"We see Waco as a centralization of power; the federal government
coming into all areas of our lives," says Norm Olson, commander
of the Northern Michigan Regional Militia. "The militia movement
in America is the biggest thing since the Revolution."
"Waco was the second shot heard 'round the world," {3} says
Russell Smith, Dallas commander of the Texas Constitutional
Militia, now organized in almost 20 counties. "It woke us up to a
very corrupt beast."
-+- An "internationalist" conspiracy -+-
The ideologies driving the militias are complicated, often
incredible, sometimes racist and almost always paranoid. {4}.
Among a host of conspiracy theories is this scenario:
* The federal government has been hijacked by sinister forces --
a dozen or more banking families -- that have orchestrated the
seizure of states' rights and the buildup of an
"internationalist" U.S. government.
* The plan, militiamen say, is to manufacture an economic
collapse to invite in United Nations troops on a "humanitarian"
mission.
* Then, guided by secret markings on the back of road signs, the
U.N. troops will disarm regular Americans.
* The outcome: A weak and disarmed America becomes part of the
bankers' "one-world government," organized to make serfs of the
world's peoples and enrich bankers.
"Fantasies," says Faith Elliot of the Council on Foreign
Relations, whose members are supposed to be part of the plot.
And Mark Briskman, Dallas director for the Anti-Defamation League
of B'nai B'rith, dismisses that kind of talk as so much recycled
anti-Semitic vitriol.
So it has been, in the past, difficult for many people to take
this sort of thing too seriously. But given the almost fanatical
devotion of some militia members -- and because they are well-
armed -- disbelief is now tempered by concern.
"People are genuinely arming themselves and getting ready for
combat," warns Fred Clarkson of Planned Parenthood of America's
Public Policy Institute. "So it's inevitable some combat will
actually take place." {5}.
-+- This is an American movement -+-
Critics say that in addition to arms, many militias are well-
stocked with leaders known to be white supremacists.
Mike Reynolds, editorial director for the Southern Poverty Law
Center's *Klanwatch* publication, says he and many in law
enforcement believe a national militia strategy was laid out at
an October 1992 meeting in Estes Park, Colo.
About 150 members of the Ku Klux Klan, Aryan Nations, Posse
Comitatus and Christian Identity met to discuss militias.
Such accusations infuriate many militiamen and their leaders, who
deny any racism and insist their movement will remain legal.
"The majority are absolutely opposed to any racial hate groups,"
says Ann Utterback, Comal County commander for the Texas
Constitutional Militia, which recently held a "muster" of 500
people at the Alamo. "We totally reject Nazis, KKK, Aryan
Nations. This is an American movement."
National militia leader Linda Thompson, founder of the
Unorganized Militia of the United States, denies being racist,
anti-Semitic or "right wing." If there are such elements in the
movement, she says, they are "government plants" wrecking the
work she started.
Then she accuses many of her fellow militia leaders, along with
the reporter interviewing her, of being agents for the ADL [Anti-
Defamation League] -- which battles anti-Semitism.
Chip Berlet, analyst with Political Research Associates of
Cambridge, Mass., which monitors far-right movements, says it is
"intellectually dishonest" to label the entire movement racist.
Rather, he says, the underlying themes are anti-government, anti-
gun control and conspiratorial.
"There are more people in the movement uncomfortable with anti-
Semitism and white supremacy," he says. "But that may change."
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
[CN -- This is one of several related articles. See *USA Today*
for the other articles.]
[CN -- I have been informed that Bo Gritz will be featured on the
ABC show "Day One" this Thursday, Feb. 2, 1995.]
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{1} "...literal interpreters of the Constitution..." Is there
some other way to interpret the Constitution?
{2} "The idea of militias, drawn from earlier groups like Posse
Comitatus and Aryan Nations..." Drawn from the U.S. Constitution,
the supreme law of the land.
{3} "Waco was the second shot heard 'round the world..." The
original "shot heard round the world" occurred at (I believe)
Lexington, New Hampshire in 1775 and marked the beginning of the
American Revolutionary War (a.k.a. the American War for
Independence).
{4} "...sometimes racist and almost always paranoid." Everything
I have heard indicates that all races, creeds, and religions are
welcome to join the various militias. Is there any of the
militias that excludes members based on race, creed or religion?
I haven't heard of any. As to "...almost always paranoid..." --
"Paranoid", a.k.a. "crazy" a.k.a. "non-approved thought".
{5} "...so it's inevitable some combat will actually take place."
I find that statement ominous. Whether or not combat takes place
depends on the feds. The militias are in a purely defensive
posture.
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FEMINISM: MASK FOR MARXISM?
Tom Valentine's guest on *Radio Free America* (Shortwave, 5.065
MHz, mon-fri, 9 pm cst) on December 28, 1994 was Andrea Pearson,
editor-in-chief of a newsletter called "Americans In Exile"
[contact info to be included below]. Ms. Pearson has some non-
politically correct views on feminism, etc. Note that views
expressed in the following do not necessarily reflect my own
views or those of Conspiracy Nation.
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[...continued...]
TOM VALENTINE [continues]:
All right, we are back, live. My guest is Andrea Pearson. And she
has been pointing out (and I think very nicely) that we have had
a creeping Marxism in the feminizing-type laws -- especially one
that was passed in 1993, the Gender Equity in Education Act.
Hardly any of us knew anything about it; I don't know of anybody
here that was really up on that one. And I don't remember the
media "beating it to death" [i.e., covering it a lot].
And the other one is that we are under a United Nations
Convention that's not yet been ratified, but it started in 1980.
And if we *do* ratify it, it's gonna be worse than the World
Trade Organization!
Andrea.
ANDREA PEARSON:
I think it will be far worse, because the people who are trying
to destroy us have in mind a way for us to live.
And particularly, for a minute, I would like to bring out that I
don't think that the answer at this point is to think about
changing the local systems to separate from the federal
government. But rather, I think what's important is for the men
of this country to realize that, as men, they have a God-given
role within the family to be a provider and a protector. And that
*many* men in this country have been deprived of their ability to
do that, because of government policy. And thus, this kind of
invasion of the family becomes possible.
VALENTINE:
You know, my wife would agree. She says it's the men who have
failed to be the head of the houses that have let this country
down.
You've had three men callers, and now we have a lady out there. I
wonder if she agrees or not.
Doris, [in] Deep Creek, Florida.
DORIS:
Yes. Andrea. I wanted to tell you, on what you have said, what it
ties in with. It ties in with the United Nations curriculum for
the public school children, *Goals 2000*. All that is spelled
out. It's to make the child and mother feel that the State will
take care of 'em; they don't need the man around. If they have
anything they need, it will be provided for. That is in your
*Goals 2000*, which is going to *ruin* education.
PEARSON:
I agree with you, 100 percent. The "sugar daddies" in Congress
sure are luring the women away, aren't they?
DORIS:
Yes, and it's *planned* that way.
PEARSON:
Oh it certainly is. This is done by design.
DORIS:
Yes. I was on the committee for a full year, before it was
implemented in our town. And on the final meeting, they had
someone from the state come down, and they asked if they had any
questions. And I raised my hand. I said, "*Will* *you* *admit*
this is a United Nations curriculum?!" She would *not* answer,
even if I asked it four times. So I went ahead and I *told* the
committee that they can think I'm a "kook", but pay attention. In
the future, it's gonna come around that this is a United Nations
curriculum. And it's the worst thing they can put in for their
child.
And now, they're starting to hear it on different stations;
they're starting to read it in the newspaper. And this is all
being done undercover, with a lot of parents not even being
aware.
Also, the children are on computer data bases! Everything they
ask the child, under psychology tests, everything that is
programmed with the child -- Outcome Based Education. And there's
privacy: parents cannot see it.
VALENTINE:
All right. Listen, Doris, you're terrific. From Deep Creek,
Florida, with that New York/Massachusetts accent! I love it.
Andrea, we're gonna have to bring you back. Because one hour is
not enough time for this. But I wanna plan it again, if you don't
mind. And we'll talk about this subject again. Is that all right
with you?
PEARSON:
Well that's wonderful, Tom. And you have wonderful, intelligent
callers.
VALENTINE:
I sure do -- the best! Sometimes I even turn them into guests.
Thank you very much for giving up your time tonight. We *will* be
doing it again.
Andrea's newsletter is, "Americans in Exile". And it's Post
Office Box 2636. (This is where you write to. She'll send you a
sample of her newsletter dealing with this feminizing Marxism
behind the scenes, and so forth.) Americans in Exile, Post Office
Box 2636, Pittsfield, Massachusetts, 01202. Her telephone is
(413) 499-3593. There ya go.
Andrea, thank you very much.
All right! We're gonna take a break for the alleged "news". (I'm
almost sorry to take a break; that's a good subject. We'll have
to do it again.) We'll return. I have a brand new congressman,
the guy that beat Jack Brooks down in *Tejas* [i.e. Texas]. See
ya then.
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"Although not one in 10,000 Americans knows it, the Fed has a
huge secret cash stash of $20 billion, known among insiders as
the 'currency stabilization fund'..."
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RAPE OF MEXICAN ECONOMY AIDED BY "INSIDE" INFO
By Warren Hough
[Excerpts from *The Spotlight*, Feb. 6, 1995]
[...]
Dismissing official explanations, seasoned currency traders
privately blame the mess in Mexico on a series of secretive,
high-level financial maneuvers that led to the collapse of the
peso, while producing billion-dollar profits for a consortium of
megabanks and financial speculators closely linked to [Federal
Reserve Chairman Alan] Greenspan.
A detailed review of the current balance sheet of Citibank,
ranked No. 1 among U.S.-based commercial banks and among Mexico's
foreign lenders, confirms that far from suffering losses, the
money center giant made prodigious profits on the peso's plunge,
reports *Spotlight* correspondent George Nicholas from New York.
Calling its Mexican operations "stronger than ever," Citibank
reported a whopping jump of 81 percent in its earnings for the
last quarter of 1994 -- just when the peso collapsed.
-+- *Cui Bono*? -+-
Profits are soaring so nicely, "We are doubling our dividend
payout for the period," Citibank Chairman John Reed informed
stockholders on January 20, a month after Mexico's monetary
meltdown.
The simultaneous headline, "Surprise Profits for Top N.Y. Banks"
heading the financial page of *Newsday*, a major New York daily,
highlighted the profit gains Chase Manhattan Bank (19 percent)
and Chemical Bank (22 percent) realized for the same period.
"The big banks made out like bandits," says Paul Lanier, who
heads the New York trading desk of a major European investment
bank. "When I asked myself how that could have happened, I
realized that although a complex scheme is behind it all, the
essential facts are not hard to understand."
On the last day of 1994, major U.S.-based banks reported holding
Mexican treasury bonds worth an astonishing $19.8 billion -- an
extraordinary debt load. "The key is to realize that these
Mexican debentures come in two principal species," explained
Lanier. "There are the so-called '*cetes*' -- loans which are
repayable in pesos. Then there are '*tesobonos*' -- bonds
denominated in pesos which are, however, pegged to the dollar. If
the peso falls against the dollar, the payments due on these
*tesobono* bonds increase accordingly."
There is another important difference between these two main
types of Mexican treasury IOUs. "The bonds known as *cetes*
produce the highest yield," Lanier noted. "In 1994, *cetes* paid
interest at rates averaging 24 percent -- a rich return for
lenders willing to take a chance on them."
-+- Heavy In *Cetes* -+-
Most of the Mexican bonds held by Citibank and other American
investors at the beginning of 1994 were *cetes*, since the
speculation-driven U.S. money markets forced financial managers
to lock in the highest possible returns. "Of the round $20
billion in Mexican treasury IOUs held by U.S. creditors, only
$1.7 billion was in *tesobonos* [CN -- lower yield, more secure];
almost all the rest was in high-yield *cetes*," explained Lanier.
But when the economic earthquake hit Mexico on December 20,
raising urgent questions about this debt, it was discovered that
the proportion had been mysteriously reversed. In the days before
the peso began to crumble, the largest Wall Street lenders
abruptly switched from *cetes* to *tesobonos*, thus buying
insurance against the looming currency collapse.
"The big banks were secretly tipped off by Greenspan about the
coming devaluation," explained Dr. Felipe Arismendi, a U.N.
economist specializing in monetary studies. "They converted their
holdings from *cetes* to *tesobonos* a jump ahead of the market,
and came out winners while tens of thousands of small American
global-fund investors ended up losers."
But even if *tesobonos* are theoretically worth their weight in
dollars, how can Citibank be so sure the busted and beleaguered
Mexican government will pay?
"That is Greenspan's second scheme," explained Arismendi.
"Although not one in 10,000 Americans knows about it, the Fed has
a huge secret cash stash of $20 billion, known among insiders as
the 'currency stabilization fund' or 'the swap pool.'"
Greenspan secretly assured Citibank and other major lenders the
Fed would use its $20 billion kitty to compensate them for any
shortfalls in their due debt payments caused by a Mexican
default.
In that case, Congress might inquire, where is the need for the
additional $40 billion bailout guarantee fund proposed by the
Clinton administration? [CN -- *That* plan has just been dropped.]
The answer is that it would provide insurance for Wall Street
banks eager to make more mega-loans to Mexico, on even more
profitable terms.
[...]
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nor does it necessarily reflect the views of Conspiracy Nation.]
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THE RWANDA GENOCIDE
[Excerpted from "The Coming Fall of The House of
Windsor", *The New Federalist*, January 9, 1995.]
By Jeffrey Steinberg
[...]
Beginning in April of this year, the editors and staff of the
*Executive Intelligence Review* magazine launched an
investigation into the genocide in Rwanda. On April 6, 1994, the
Presidents of Rwanda and Burundi were assassinated in a surface-
to-air missile attack against the airplane that was carrying them
home from a summit meeting. Within hours of the double
assassination, so-called rebel forces launched an invasion of
Rwanda from neighboring Uganda. Six months later, Rwanda had been
virtually wiped off the map. Prior to the April events, Rwanda
had enjoyed the lowest infant mortality rates and the longest
average life expectancy of any country in Africa. Today, 80
percent of the country's 7.2 million people are either dead or
living in refugee camps.
When we set out to uncover who was behind the genocide in Rwanda,
we had no preconceived notions about what we would find. Some
weeks into the investigation, we received crucial leads from
European researchers and from African diplomats: Look at the role
of the game preserves and national parks. Once we picked up this
trail, the pieces all fell in place; and all roads led back to
London, to the Club of the Isles and its Worldwide Fund for
Nature (WWF).
The WWF, renowned the world over as a charitable organization out
to protect the endangered species, is provably responsible for
the slaughter of animals and human beings all across Africa and
on other continents around the globe, on an unprecedented scale.
The 1994 Rwanda genocide is but the latest instance of the WWF in
action.
How did it work?
Since 1990, the WWF has been managing a "gorilla protection
program" in Gorilla Park in Uganda right on the Rwanda-Zaire
border, in the adjacent Volcans Park on the Rwandan side of the
border, and in Zaire's Virunga Park. Along with the Akagera Park
in Rwanda along the Kenya and Uganda border, all these parks
served as training bases, staging areas, and arms depots for the
invading "rebels" -- who were in reality all soldiers and
officers in the Ugandan Army of British puppet Yoweri Museveni.
Museveni is run by Britain's Overseas Development Minister Lady
Lynda Chalker. {1}.
So the entire Rwandan genocide had nothing to do with tribal or
civil warfare. It was a British-orchestrated assassination and
invasion program. And the WWF administered parks played a pivotal
role in the slaughter. From the same parks, the same WWF
apparatus is involved in the planned destabilization and genocide
against the rest of East Africa, beginning with Kenya and Sudan.
{2}.
Under the guise of protecting endangered species, like the
elephant, the rhinoceros, and the tiger, WWF "park rangers" carry
out assassinations and other attacks against so-called "poachers"
who in many instances turn out to be local patriotic political
leaders or intransigent farmers who refuse to abandon their land
and their food production to WWF's land confiscation programs.
[...]
All across Africa, WWF mercenary armies carry out a brutal war of
depopulation. Park rangers, armed with helicopter gun ships,
infantry weapons and light missiles, function as death squads.
Between 1987 and November 1988, under a WWF-bankrolled program
called Operation Stronghold, assassination squads under the
direction of Zimbabwe's Chief Game Ranger Glen Tatham carried out
cold-blooded murders of hundreds of so-called poachers, half of
whom were unarmed and lured into ambushes. A number were leaders
of the African National Congress' military wing. When Tatham and
his men were brought up on 70 murder charges, the Zimbabwean
parliament rushed through a bill, the Protection of the Wildlife
Indemnity Act, which gave the park rangers immunity from
prosecution for any actions they took "in the line of duty." It
was a license to kill.
[...]
-------------------------<< Notes >>-----------------------------
{1} "...parks served as training bases [for the rebels who] were
in reality all soldiers and officers in the Ugandan Army of
British puppet Yoweri Museveni." I wish some proof were offered
for these sort of claims. Still, this is the only explanation I
have heard for what really happened in Rwanda.
{2} "...[planned] genocide against the rest of East Africa." Both
Dr. Robert Strecker and researcher Mark Sato have claimed that
Africa is the target of planned genocide.
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FLYING HIGH WITH COMMANDER BILLY JEFF
"A Scenario"
[...continued...]
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Hillary caught sight of Marie, the French maid. "Come here,
Marie," she purred. Marie dutifully obeyed.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"I note your conduct in the Lincoln Bedroom with my husband,
Billy Jeff," said Hillary.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"But Meez Heely! He was chasing *me*!"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Hillary ignored her. "You're fired, you slut! Pack your bags and
get on the first train back to France!"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"But Meez Heely..."
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Hillary glared. "Don't back sass me girl, or I'll scratch your
eyes out! Go pack your bags! You're fired! Get out!"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Marie ran off, sobbing.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
The Commander was in Air Force One, flying down to Arkansas and
Dan Lizard's promised wild party.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Billy Jeff looked up, and was surprised to see Dylan Thomas! The
deceased author was somehow standing there, smoking a cigarette.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Let's 'rap', Mr. Thomas," suggested Billy Jeff. "Come on, what
do ya say? I'm an intellectual, just like you. Hey, ya know what
else -- I'm a Yale man."
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"You are a pimp. Bend over, so I can grind out my cigarette on
your ass," the dead author replied.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Say! You can't talk to me like that!" shouted Billy Jeff. But
then the room became filled with, it seemed like, thousands of
faces, all of them burning with great *hatred* for Commander
Billy Jeff!
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Billy Jeff woke, screaming. "Igor! Igor!"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Igor" Stephanopoulos came rushing from the forward cabin of Air
Force One. "Yes, master?!" he inquired, alarmed.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Oh, Igor, it was terrible! Dylan Thomas said I was a pimp, and
then everybody hated me! They hate me, Igor! They hate me!"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Igor sat down beside Billy Jeff and consoled him. "No, master.
No, they don't hate you! They *love* you!"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"No, Igor, they hate me! The American people all hate me!"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Why no, master. Why, look out the window. Down there in America
they all *love* you!"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"They do?" blubbered Billy Jeff.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Yes!" lied Igor. "Everybody loves you!" Then, because it usually
assuaged the frightened Billy Jeff, Igor suggested they both sing
their special song. "Come on! Let's sing the old Oxford song!"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Yes!" Billy Jeff clapped his hands excitedly. "The old Oxford
song!"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
They both began to sing:
Oh Oxford, we remember you.
Smoking pot and chasing chicks
And even sometimes we'd
Open a book or two!
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
They exploded in laughter. "I feel better now!" exclaimed Billy
Jeff.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Billy Jeff lurched forward towards the cockpit. "I want to see
the view from up there," he explained.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
He entered the cockpit, where Captain "Flyin' Jack" McCord was
piloting Air Force One toward Arkansas and Dan Lizard's cocaine
party.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Wow... Look at all those controls," said the Commander. He
paused a moment, then asked, "Say... Do you think you could let
me fly the plane for awhile?"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Old "Flyin' Jack", veteran pilot of so many C-130 flights between
Arkansas and Nicaragua, turned toward Billy Jeff. His jaw dropped
in amazement. "You've gotta be kidding."
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Naw... Come on. Let me try flyin' it."
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"No way."
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Billy Jeff moved toward Flyin' Jack. A look of menace appeared in
his eye. "Say... You look depressed, Captain McCord. You're not
about to commit 'suicide' are you?"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"O.K. You can fly the plane." Flyin' Jack vacated his seat and
Commander Billy Jeff occupied it.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Billy Jeff lit a marijuana cigarette and took a deep drag. He
looked toward Flyin' Jack. "You want a hit?" he asked.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"No, thanks," replied McCord.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Suit yourself." The Commander took another drag. "Say... Where's
the accelerator on this crate?"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Flyin' Jack showed him the throttle, and Billy Jeff opened it up
all the way. Air Force One began to pick up speed.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Hey! This steering wheel not only turns, but it can also tilt
toward me!" exclaimed a surprised Billy Jeff as the aircraft went
into a steep climb.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Yahoo! We're flyin' high!" shouted Commander Billy Jeff as he
took another puff on his "reefer".
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Hey... You know, *in* *theory*, we could fly this baby way high!
I mean, *in* *theory*, we could go into outer space!" theorized
Billy Jeff.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
But just then a squawking sound began to be heard on the "squawk
box". It was Hillary!
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Billy Jeff! Get me Billy Jeff!" she ordered.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"I'm right here, my dearest," replied Commander Billy Jeff.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Billy Jeff! Turn that plane around *NOW*!! That is an *order*,
Mister!"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Aw but, my sweetest, I'm on an important diplomatic mission!"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Save that shit for the newspapers!" screamed "Meez Heely".
"You've promised to attend the Econo-Feminists meeting, and the
sisterhood ain't gonna like it if you don't show. So turn that
plane around *now*, or there's gonna be *Hell* *to* *pay*!! Over
and out!"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
A reluctant Commander Billy Jeff yielded to this "higher power"
and relinquished control of Air Force One to Flyin' Jack McCord.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
"Aw gee whiz! I never get to have any fun," he complained to no
one in particular.
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NICK ASHTON: CITIZENS FOR HONEST GOVERNMENT
Tom Valentine had as a guest on *Radio Free America* (Shortwave,
5.065 MHz, mon-fri, 9 pm cst) on February 1, 1995, Nick Ashton of
Citizens for Honest Government. Here is an excerpt.
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[...]
TOM VALENTINE:
All right, we are back live and I've invited Nick Ashton to come
aboard for just a few minutes and catch us up on some things that
are very important out here about our President, Bill Clinton.
And I guess, Nick, the two things that you guys are really right
on: *When* are we going to hear something in the major media
about indictments, and who do you think's gonna be indicted?
NICK ASHTON:
Well, I think it is gonna be very, very soon indeed. Because for
the first time... Mr. Starr is holding, of course, grand jury
hearings -- has been since the 5th of January -- regarding the
death of Vince Foster. But I think, more carefully, he is holding
back on some indictments, because more information is coming
forth, *through* Webster Hubbell. Webb Hubbell just accepting the
two felony charges certainly negotiated a better [unclear] for
himself. And I think it's very soon indeed. There's been a *lot*
of movement in Arkansas and a lot of movement in Washington. A
lot of discussion, a lot of witnesses. And I believe it's
building up into the next 2 or 3 weeks.
*But*, Tom, I would like, if I may, to give you a little bit of a
bombshell -- if I may.
VALENTINE:
I love a bombshell.
ASHTON:
You keep up to date with everything, and we've been working very,
very hard indeed for the last three-and-a-half weeks, going
through 1500 pages of documents. You remember the 1982-1984
campaign funds [records] of Bill Clinton disappeared? Completely
disappeared.
VALENTINE:
The campaign funds [records] of the Governor.
ASHTON:
You got it.
I can tell you this: that we have the original copies of [the
records from] that campaign fund.
VALENTINE:
You found the original copies of Bill Clinton's missing campaign
fund?!
ASHTON:
That's right. We gave copies, 2 days ago, [unclear] to the FBI
(so that we are keeping on the up and up). We've been going
through and matching names, and looking at the connections. And
the one big thing that we have found: in 1982, Bill Clinton gave
himself $120,000 into his campaign. Bill Clinton didn't loan it,
he *put* $120,000 into his own campaign.
VALENTINE:
Well according to this history that *we've* been gettin', he
didn't have a dime in those days.
ASHTON:
You got it. So where *did* he get the money? [CN -- I'm sure
Clinton, skilled liar that he is, will come up with some kind of
story.] And if we cover it all the way through... And, as you
know, these reports are on a 10-day and on a 30-day basis, they
have to be filed. He never *loaned* himself the money; it wasn't
a loan, it was physical cash that went in there. And it seems
like Mr. Clinton suddenly came up with some cash. We have got
those documents. We *are* going to release those documents, not
this Friday but Friday week, or thereabouts. We are waiting for
the FBI to speak with us. And I don't think a few people are
very, very happy.
And [unclear] I'm speaking for the second time today. I was on
another program, nationally, where we were in arguments with
David Brock. You have heard of Mr. Brock?
VALENTINE:
Yes! You mentioned that! What about this little argument with Mr.
Brock?
ASHTON:
Mr. Brock wrote an article in *Forbes'* *Media Critic* magazine,
which is an *obscure* magazine put out by *Forbes*. And [he]
absolutely slated [i.e., dismissed] *The Clinton Chronicles* and
tried to say it was unsubstantiated evidence within it, and
questioned many things. The biggest problem David Brock did -- he
*thinks* he's a Washington insider, and names everything, and
puts himself on a pedestal, as if "I know everything there is to
know, and if *I* don't know it, it's not worth knowing."
Well now we know he's a little liar. We caught him in this. We
have corrected him. We have taken him down a couple of pegs.
Because [unclear] Tom, just like *The Spotlight*, you guys have
been following things. I'm glad to see that *you* come up with
the same stuff we do. In other words, when there's *two* of us
out there, and we do come up with the same corroborative
evidence, then I'm very pleased. Because it shows we are on the
same track.
VALENTINE:
Now the *Citizens for Better Government* [sic] are responsible
for *The Clinton Chronicles*, are they not?
ASHTON:
Yeah. And also the book, of course. And *The Intelligence Files*.
And coming out this month we have a *new* video, called "The
Death of Vince Foster: What Really Happened?"
And Tom, I appreciate folks like you, that are not frightened to
speak out. Because many people say, "How can people be saying
this if it's not true?" And this, I think, is very important.
People *are* ready to listen, and absorb, and be made more aware.
That's what *Citizens for Honest Government* is doing.
VALENTINE:
I think the truth is so glaring, I can't see how people can *not*
see it. In fact, here's *The Washington Post*, *afraid* to bring
out a story, for some reason. [CN -- See next Conspiracy Nation,
Vol. 3 Num. 77, for details.]
ASHTON:
I cringe. Because when Ambrose [Evans-Pritchard] told me about
this, I [unclear]. He said, "Nick, the contract was signed. They
were paying the biggest money ever to the two who had written the
story and had put it in the *Sunday Outlook*, about a 4,000 word
article."
VALENTINE:
Dr. Roger Morris and Sally Denton have done a lot of
investigating on Mena, Arkansas. And it was gonna finally come
out. And not just Clinton, but Bush and Reagan too!
ASHTON:
Absolutely. And Ed Meese is in there. Oliver North is in there. A
lot of folks.
But you see, you've gotta understand something: there is another
agenda within the political parties. And that is, *they* *want*
*to* *keep* *Clinton* *in* *until* *the* *election* *of* *next*
*year*! Because they feel that he's a man they can beat at the
election and at the ballot box. And they're absolutely wrong!
He's known as "the comeback kid"!! If you have a chance to de-
rail the President now because he is a scoundrel, and you've got
the information, I believe you go ahead with it! You don't *hold*
*back*!! You're holding back on the people of this nation!
VALENTINE:
That may be. But I want to de-rail more than Bill and Hillary
Clinton. I want to de-rail that whole bunch of PAC people behind
him.
ASHTON:
There's a *lot* of people there, Tom.
VALENTINE:
There are. These fat cats. The "immaculate they", I call 'em. And
they've had their run of manipulating for a long, long time. And
*we're* the "manipulatees" and I don't like it.
ASHTON:
That is so true. And we are making people aware, and that's why
the *Citizens for Honest Government* is out there, as the
alternate media.
VALENTINE:
Where, briefly, how do they reach *Citizens for Honest
Government*?
ASHTON:
They can join us by calling 1-800-471-0873. You can become a
member of our organization. [CN -- No cost to join.]
VALENTINE:
I've gotta run. But Nick, you're free. Thank you very much.
Excellent report. I'll give out that number again.
Nick Ashton. I'm Tom Valentine, *Radio Free America*.
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[CN -- Thanks to D.S.O. for transcribing the following.]
FROM *THE SUNDAY TELEGRAPH*, 29 JANUARY 1995
ARKANSAS DRUG EXPOSE MISSES THE POST
BY AMBROSE EVANS-PRITCHARD IN WASHINGTON
IT MIGHT almost be called The Greatest Story Never Told. The article
was typeset and scheduled to run in today's edition of *The Washington
Post*.
It had the enthusiastic backing of the editors and staff of the Sunday
Outlook section, where it was to appear after 11 weeks of
soul-searching and debate.
Lawyers had gone through the text line by line. Supporting documents
had been examined with meticulous care. The artwork and illustrations
had been completed. The contract with the authors had been signed.
Leonard Downie, the executive editor of the newspaper, had given his
final assent.
But on Thursday morning the piece was cancelled. It had been delayed
before - so often, in fact, that its non-appearance was becoming the
talk of Washington - but this time the authors were convinced that the
story was doomed and would never make it into the pages of what is
arguably the world's most powerful political newspaper. They have
withdrawn it in disgust, accusing the *Post* of a cover-up of the
biggest scandal in American history.
In stark contrast, the managing editor, Robert Kaiser, left a message
on my answering machine saying that there was really nothing to "this
non-existent story". In a subsequent conversation, he dismissed the
article as a reprise of rumours and allegations. "I am confident that
it doesn't have any great new revelations," he said.
Others are less confident. A copy of the article passed to *The Sunday
Telegraph* - not, it should be stressed, by its authors - appears to
be absolutely explosive.
Based on an archive of more than 2,000 documents, it says that western
Arkansas was a centre of international drug smuggling in the early
1980s - perhaps even the headquarters of the biggest drug trafficking
operation in history. It asks whether hundreds of millions of dollars
in profits made their way "into criminal laundering in Arkansas's
notoriously free-wheeling financial institutions and bond houses".
The activities were mixed up with a US intelligence operation at the
Mena airport in Arkansas that was smuggling weapons to the Nicaraguan
Contras.
Bill Clinton is not specifically accused of involvement, but he was
Governor of Arkansas at the time. The piece also notes that some of
his prominent backers had been the subject of extensive investigation
by the Drug Enforcement Administration and the FBI, and had been
assigned files in NADDIS - the Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs
Intelligence System.
The article makes clear that the alleged scandal is not confined to
the activities of the Arkansas political machine and Mr Clinton. It
embraces the highest levels of the federal government over several
years. "For three Presidents of both parties - Messrs Reagan, Bush and
Clinton - the old enduring questions of political scandal are once
again apt," the article concludes. "What did they know about Mena?
When did they know it? Why didn't they do anything to stop it?"
It is clear that *The Washington Post* took the article extremely
seriously. It was to be run at full length - roughly 4,000 words,
taking up several pages in an almost unprecedented spread across the
Sunday Outlook section.
The authors, Dr Roger Morris and Sally Denton, were told that they
were being offered the highest fee ever paid for a contribution to
Outlook. They are veteran investigators with established reputations.
Morris worked for the National Security Council staff at the White
House during the Johnson and Nixon Administrations. He has taught at
Harvard and has written a series of acclaimed books on foreign policy.
Denton is the former head of news agency UPI's special investigative
unit, and is the author of the *Bluegrass Conspiracy*, which exposed
the involvement of Kentucky political and law enforcement figures in
an international arms and drug smuggling ring.
Their research is concentrated on the activities of Barry Seal, a
legendary smuggler who operated from a company called Rich Mountain
Aviation in the Ouachita Mountains west of Little Rock.
They have his bank and telephone records, invoices, appointment books,
handwritten notes, personal diaries and secretly-recorded
conversations, as well as extensive police records and surveillance
reports.
Among other allegations they make are:
* Seal was using his fleet of aircraft to export weapons to Bolivia,
Argentina and Brazil in addition to the Nicaraguan Contras.
* The planes were carrying cocaine back up to Arkansas on the return
journey for sale in New York, Chicago, Detroit, St Louis and other
cities.
* Seal had ties to the CIA and felt that he could smuggle with
impunity.
* Nine separate attempts to investigate Mena, by both state and
federal authorities, were stymied. "Over the entire episode looms the
unmistakable dark shape of US government complicity in vast drug
trafficking and gun-running," the article says.
The broad picture is not new to readers of *The Sunday Telegraph* [DSO
- thanks to the heroic efforts of the author of this article], which
published a story making some of the same points on October 9 last
year. [DSO - headlined "Smugglers linked to Contra arms deals", that
article, also by Evans-Pritchard, is partially displayed with caption with
the present article]. *The Wall Street Journal* has also done original
reporting on the subject.
Morris and Denton have added fresh evidence but the real political
importance of the piece is the fact that it was going to run in *The
Washington Post*. The *Post* still sets the agenda in Washington and
guides many US press and TV reporters on what they are supposed to
think.
Up to now, the *Post* has conducted no more than a desultory
investigation of the Mena affair, and its reporters have persistently
treated it as a ludicrous conspiracy theory.
The treatment of the article by Morris and Denton will fuel claims
from both Left and Right that *The Washington Post* is engaged in
active suppression of the news to protect either Clinton or the CIA or
both.
"It's down to naked politics now," Morris told *The Sunday Telegraph*.
"We've jumped through every hoop. We've given them everything they've
asked for. They can't say the story's not credible now."
In the end the Mena story is going to come out, with the courts doing
the work of the press. A lawsuit in Arkansas is being used to
determine the role of both Clinton and the US federal government in
dirty tricks linked to Mena.
The case has already reached a crucial phase. A high-powered team of
lawyers has issued subpoenas to key witnesses who will be compelled to
testify under oath. Sworn depositions will rain down like confetti
over the next few months.
And if the great American newspapers do not want to cover it, the
radio talk shows certainly will.
[DSO - perhaps it's the fact that both sides of politics are involved
in this scandal that has prevented media exposure so far. Any threats
against Clinton can be met with a reciprocal threat to expose the
involvement of previous administrations. Let's hope the gridlock is
broken.]
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PESO BILL'S BAILOUT PLAN
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Aid For Mexico: Six European countries, uneasy with President
Clinton's plan to rescue Mexico's economy, withheld their
approval for a $17.8 billion U.S.-backed loan package approved by
the International Monetary Fund. Britain, Germany, Denmark, the
Netherlands, Belgium and Switzerland say that they were not
consulted and that the package for Mexico, largest in IMF
history, threatens support for Russia and eastern Europe. [USA
Today, 2/3/95]
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
[From *700 Club* broadcast, 2/3/95 interview with
Representative Duncan Hunter, R-California]
[...]
LEE WEBB:
What about this split in the GOP over the bailout. Is Speaker
Newt Gingrich carrying bipartisanship a little too far?
DUNCAN HUNTER:
Well I like to think of it as a split with President Clinton, and
I think every Republican has to take his own position.
I've looked at the situation, and a couple of things come to
mind: first, there isn't an apocalyptic situation developing in
Mexico; they've devalued the peso regularly, over the years, and
we haven't had this "the sky is falling in" scenario that Mr.
Rubin and others have painted, on Capitol Hill.
Secondly, a lot of the investors who put money in Mexico were
very sophisticated investors; they were maaking a high rate of
return. They didn't share their *profits* with the American
taxpayers. And now that it appears they're going to be taking a
loss, they want to share their *losses* with the taxpayers.
And lastly, in this scenario... in this time in government
frugality when we have passed the balanced budget amendment, and
when we are going to be slashing domestic programs across the
board -- this is a *tremendous* amount of money to be exposing.
This is twice this country's annual foreign aid budget -- going
simply to one country, Mexico.
So I think that this is the wrong time. I think there's *not* a
disaster of apocalyptic proportions developing in Mexico. And
lastly, the leadership of Mexico, the 34 or so billionaires who
*do* control politics in Mexico, seem to have less interest in
securing the future of their own country than we do! Most of them
have *their* money in *dollars*, invested in the united States.
They have their payrolls in Mexico, so when a devaluation occurs
and the peso loses its value, that means (for these big
industrialists) the cost of their payrolls has been cut by 30
percent! They *like* that.
So the Mexican elite *thrive* on devaluations. And as long as you
have that situation, you're going to have a historical trend of
devaluations, every 5 or 6 years.
BEN KINCHLOW:
Mr. Hunter, this is Ben Kinchlow, with *Newswatch*. You obviously
disagree with the President's plan. So I guess we would ask you,
what is *your* recommendation? What would *you* recommend, for
dealing with the Mexican economic crisis, since you obviously do
not feel that it is an "end of the world" situation?
DUNCAN HUNTER:
Well I think that Bill Siedleman(sp?), former chairman of the
FSLIC [Federal S&L Insurance Corp.], a very renowned,
conservative, economic leader, had it exactly right. He said,
"Listen. You had a lot of sophisticated Wall Street investors who
made a bad deal. And they made big profits, at first. Now they're
on the hook. They're gonna lose some money. And the best way to
-- when you have a debtor and a creditor: the debtor being
Mexico, and the creditors being these investors around the world
that have these *bonds* that are gonna have to be paid back this
year. Let the debtor and the creditor work this thing out between
themselves! They don't have to have a government from *any* side
interfering with this. They don't need the united States of
America to step in. So let's do it the old-fashioned way: let
Mexico restructure its debt, with its creditors, and work this
thing out with *no* interference by the united States."
LEE WEBB:
How can we force them to do that though, congressman?
DUNCAN HUNTER:
Well the way you force them to do that is by not stepping in and
bailing them out! And as these bonds become due, Mexico will have
to... Just like, if you owed money to a creditor, and you wanted
to keep your creditworthiness -- you had a bill coming due --
you'd haave to go down [and] sit down with them and work out an
arrangement to restructure your debt over a longer period of
time!
And Mexico has *enormous* assets with which they could do that!
They've refused to sell off PEMEX (that's their petroleum giant).
They've refused to do a lot of things -- take money out of the
massive portfolio of the Bank of Mexico and sell these assets or
use them as collateral to extend this debt into long-term debt.
So, once again, the elite who run and control Mexico -- the
billionaires who control Mexico -- have much less interest in
addressing this devaluation of the peso than we do! Which is an
ironic situation. They *thrive* off peso devaluations. They
profit off them. As long as that occurs, we're not gonna see
these crises... we're gonna see these devaluations in a regular,
historic pattern.
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The Lincoln Conspiracy
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
By David Balsiger and Charles E. Sellier, Jr.
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* *
* Did John Wilkes Booth act alone in the assassination of *
* Abraham Lincoln or was he a pawn of higher-ups? *
* *
* Was the man shot at Garrett's farm and identified as John *
* Wilkes Booth actually Booth, or was he a substitute? *
* *
* Why was the existence of Booth's diary hidden until long *
* after the famous 1865 Conspiracy Trial, and when revealed, *
* why had 18 pages been cut? Who removed those 18 pages, and *
* when? *
* *
* A surprising collection of newly discovered (c. 1977), *
* unpublished, historical documents answers these and many *
* more questions, solving the most famous political *
* assassination mystery in American history. *
* *
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The massive cover-up effort by government officials to prevent
the American public from ever learning the real truth about the
assassination of Abraham Lincoln, suppressed evidence which
presumably had gone to the graves of those connected with the
murder conspiracy, is now [c. 1977] surfacing and answers many of
the questions still surrounding Lincoln's assassination.
-- Was there an organized government conspiracy to get rid of
Lincoln?
-- Why, despite countless threats and known plots, did the War
Department not provide Lincoln with adequate protection?
-- Why did so many invited guests refuse to accept Lincoln's
invitation to Ford's Theatre on the night of April 14?
-- Why was the President's single bodyguard absent from his post
during the murder, and never punished or even questioned?
-- Why were all the escape routes out of Washington closed except
the route Booth used?
-- Who, for hours after the murder, blacked out commercial
telegraph lines from Washington?
-- Why was the existence of Booth's diary hidden until long after
the famous 1865 Conspiracy Trial, and when revealed, why had 18
pages been cut out?
-- Who removed those 18 pages, why and when?
Traditional historical writers have perpetuated a cover-up by
*unquestioningly* relying on 1865 government data and documents
as if they were gospel. In writing this book, Balsiger and
Sellier have adopted the premise that official government
statements from that time might not be true. Instead, the
authors' approach to re-examining the Lincoln assassination was
to try to locate local private unpublished document collections
in the possession of the heirs of significant Lincoln era
decision makers. They reason that if official government
statements from that time are, in fact, true, then they can be
authenticated through papers in private collections.
The documents used by the authors to re-construct events that
took place before and after the assassination include secret
service documents, congressmen's diaries, old letters, book
manuscripts, deathbed confessions, secret cipher-coded messages,
and purported missing pages of the John Wilkes Booth diary.
Among the experts consulted during the writing of this book were:
1) Dr. Ray A. Neff, a professor at Indiana State University [c.
1977] and author of a scholarly book on Lincoln entitled *Wounded
in the House of Friends*.
2) Dr. Richard D. Mudd, grandson of Dr. Samuel Mudd who was
sentenced to life in prison as a Booth co-conspirator.
3) Theodore Roscoe, author of *Web of Conspiracy*, which suggests
that the Secret Service may have been indirectly involved in the
assassination.
Among the primary sources used in the writing of the book,
probably the most sensational and valuable document consists of
the missing Booth diary pages, discovered in 1974 by Americana
collector and appraiser Joseph Lynch. The authors acquired a full
transcript of the contents of the missing pages and had the
contents evaluated by historical experts, but have not [c. 1977]
been able to acquire copies of the actual pages to authenticate
the handwriting.
The recently discovered [c. 1977] pages from Booth's diary
delineate Booth's involvement in the conspiracy plot with trusted
Lincoln friends, Confederate leaders, War Department Secretary
Stanton, and northern businessmen.
In this book, the authors have attempted to re-construct as
accurately as possible the conspiracy events prior to the
assassination and during the following cover-up. What you are
about to read is a synopsis of their unraveling of the most
shocking political assassination in American history.
Normally, a state of war heightens and centralizes the power of
the ruling group. Secretary of War Edwin M. Stanton held a great
deal of power during the Civil War. "The War Secretary controlled
the nation's military news through the nationalization of the
wires. He also controlled the transportation system. Under his
direction... control over private citizens was almost complete...
Lincoln himself was denied the right to see telegrams that came
into the War Department in cipher to be decoded."
Moreover, Stanton was not noted for speaking well of Lincoln. He
had referred to him as "the original gorilla," a "long-armed
baboon," and as "that giraffe."
The authors, Balsiger and Sellier, state that a raid planned at
that time (1864) by Lincoln, Stanton, and others associated with
Lincoln's presidency gives evidence of an atmosphere of plotting
and distrust within that small group. The "Dahlgren Raid," as
planned by Lincoln, had as its ostensible purpose the freeing of
Federal prisoners being held in Richmond, Virginia, at that time
the capital of the confederacy. In addition, Lincoln wanted
posters to be placed everywhere along the path of the raid
promising amnesty to any confederates who would take the oath of
allegiance to the Union.
According to the authors, however, and unbeknownst to Lincoln,
the true purpose of the Dahlgren Raid was to assassinate
confederate president Jefferson Davis and his cabinet. Besides
Stanton, certain operatives of various special police forces,
including the newly formed secret service, were also aware of the
true nature of the plan. Prominent among these operatives was
"Col. Lafayette Baker, a man of highly questionable integrity,
[who] headed the North's National Detective Police (NDP), an
undercover, anti-subversive, spy organization under the direction
of Secretary of War Stanton."
The Dahlgren Raid failed and its leader, Colonel Dahlgren, was
killed. On his body, the confederates found two documents. One
document directed that Dahlgren and his soldiers were to free
federal prisoners being held near Richmond. "The second document,
unsigned, seemed to be an order: 'Once in the city [Richmond], it
must be destroyed, and Jeff Davis and cabinet killed.'"
When this news became widely known in the confederacy,
southerners were furious. "Gen. Robert E. Lee... officially asked
his Union counterpart, Gen. George Meade, if the Union's true
motives were contained in the papers."
The authors claim that John Wilkes Booth met with a Colonel
William A. Browning, secretary to future (2nd term) vice-
president Andrew Johnson during the summer of 1864. They claim
that Booth worked as a special envoy for secret peace
negotiations being attempted at the time. "Booth quietly made the
trip to Richmond with proper military passes issued by both Union
and Confederate governments." Unfortunately, while on his mission
in the south Booth saw proof that the Dahlgren Raid had had as
one of its goals the murder of Jefferson Davis and his cabinet.
Infuriated by what he had learned, Booth resigned from his
assignment as special envoy.
Because the great drama of the Civil War takes center stage, most
people are not as aware that in "...1864, the Union was close to
dictatorship."
"All the elements were in motion: transportation and
communications were nationalized, the writ of *habeas corpus*
suspended. Military tribunals had replaced civilian trials...
Dictatorship was an evil lurking behind the scenes. [However] the
name of the would be dictator was not discernible to the public."
The previously mentioned National Detective Police (NDP)
constituted a force of 2,000 "detectives" which acted as a law
unto itself. Under the leadership of the already mentioned
Lafayette Baker, it operated without judicial constraint under
the direction of Secretary of War Stanton. "Baker held
authority... because a highly placed Lincoln cabinet official
[Stanton] had set in motion all machinery necessary to become
dictator of the nation."
"But first, Abraham Lincoln had to be removed from office."
During the summer of that year [1864], Lincoln faced mounting
dissension within his own political party. A powerful faction
within his party, known as the "Radical Republicans," did not
want Lincoln to seek re-election. That summer a group of them
introduced the Wade-Davis Bill to the 38th Congress.
The Wade-Davis Bill was "...a version of postwar reconstruction
diametrically opposed to the President's proposal." Lincoln
favored a "soft" peace plan, "designed to bind up the nation's
wounds with all possible speed so that the nation could move
forward and leave the events of the tragic war behind." Since the
president had the right to pardon, Lincoln reasoned that he could
offer a general amnesty to all who would take a loyalty oath to
the Union.
However, "under the Radicals' Wade-Davis Bill each seceded state
was to be treated as a conquered country... [The Radicals were]
demanding Rebel property be confiscated and proposed that the
conquered South should be considered a prize of war." [B.R. --
Thus, a *lot* of money was at stake in the argument.]
This was a tough time for Lincoln. He was up for re-election and
it was the general opinion that there was little chance of his
being re-elected. The war was dragging on and the casualties were
multiplying. In addition to the dissent within his own political
party, there was the constant threat of assassination. During
that summer of 1864, there were incessant rumors of assassination
plots.
The authors assert that during that summer of 1864, in Maryland,
"...a group of planters had gathered to discuss ways of ending
atrocities [by Federal troops] in the counties of Prince Georges,
St. Marys, and Charles. Among the Maryland planters were Patrick
C. Martin... Dr. William Queen, and Dr. Samuel Mudd." The authors
contend that at this meeting a plot to kidnap Lincoln was
discussed and that it was suggested that John Wilkes Booth would
be a good person to bring in on the plot.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
{ Sources used for this section include, but are not limited }
{ to the following: }
{ }
{ Barbee, David Rankin, "The Murder of Mrs. Surratt" }
{ (Speech at the Emerson Institute, Washington, D.C., }
{ Feb. 25, 1950). Margaret K. Bearden Collection, }
{ Rochester, NY }
{ }
{ Benedict, Michael Les, *A Compromise of Principle: The }
{ Politics of Radicalism* (W.W. Norton & Co., New York, 1974) }
{ }
{ Committee on the Conduct of the War research files. }
{ Dr. Richard D. Mudd Collection, Saginaw, MI }
{ }
{ Lamon, Ward Hill, *Recollections of Abraham Lincoln* }
{ (University Press, Cambridge, MA, 1895) }
{ }
{ Schlesinger Jr., Arthur M. *History of American Presidential }
{ Elections, Vol. II, 1848-1896 (McGraw-Hill, New York, 1971) }
{ }
{ Unpublished Voluntary Statement of Michael O'Laughlin, }
{ April 27, 1865, originally in the Benn Pitman Collection, }
{ Cincinnati, OH Ray A. Neff Collection }
{ }
{ Missing Booth Diary Pages. In the private collection of }
{ Stanton descendants. Released in 1976 through the efforts }
{ of Americana appraiser, Joseph Lynch of Worthington, MA }
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The Lincoln Conspiracy
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By David Balsiger and Charles E. Sellier, Jr.
[...continued...]
"Near the end of September, 1864, Patrick Martin [, organizer of
the previously mentioned southern Maryland planter's meeting,]
met with John Wilkes Booth." As a result of this meeting, "Booth
received instructions to meet [Confederate agents] Clement Clay
and Jacob Thompson in Montreal." Booth arrived in Montreal on
October 17th or 18th of 1864.
John Wilkes Booth is a shadowy historical figure. While
ostensibly an actor, he is known to have smuggled medicines and
other contraband into the south. For example, at one time Booth
"obtained 1,000 ounces of valuable quinine, hid the contraband
medicine in a trunk, and sent it by blockade runner to Richmond."
Booth was also involved with other smugglers from that time,
including Confederate courier John Surratt and a childhood friend
named Michael O'Laughlin. One of the front operations they used
for their activities was the Chaffey Company at 178 1/2 Water
Street in New York. Another key figure operating out of this
address "was Lafayette Baker [head of the previously mentioned
National Detective Police (NDP)] who began using Chaffey's in
July."
Instead of turning in confiscated contraband to the military
commissary, Baker began using the Chaffey Company to sell it
to interested buyers. This was especially true for cotton which
had risen from 10 cents/pound to $1.00/pound. "A single bale was
now worth more than $1,000, and a seized shipment of several
bales could be quietly sold for a tidy sum. At the rate Baker was
making deposits, his account would hit $150,000 by the end of the
year."
While in Montreal, Booth was recruited by Confederate agents Clay
and Thompson to organize the kidnapping of Abraham Lincoln. John
H. Surratt, Jr. was suggested to Booth as a good man to help in
his organizing efforts. When Booth returned to Washington,
"$12,499.28 had been transferred from the Bank of Montreal to
Booth's account at the Chaffey Company in New York. This was, to
the penny, what Daniel Watson, a Tennessee cotton speculator, had
deposited in the Bank of Montreal on July 4 for some unknown
reason."
"Booth wrote in his diary, 'I am to find and send North 15 men
whom I trust. The messenger brings me $20,000 in gold to recruit
them. I'm to start at once.'" It is somewhat suspicious that "the
messenger who brought the gold was connected with the Union's
Judge Advocate General's Office."
In addition to the kidnap plot that Booth was involved with,
"another highly secret plot was developing inside the government
in Washington... A hint of the Northern plot was turned up by NDP
operatives." Members of Lincoln's own party, including Radical
Republicans were plotting to "have him kidnapped and kept out of
sight until fake charges... [were] arranged to impeach him."
On November 8, 1864, Abraham Lincoln received 55 percent of the
popular vote and was returned to office. One of the things which
helped him win re-election was that the Union army had won timely
victories. He was also helped by the military vote itself. He
received 116,887 military ballots as compared to 33,748 cast for
the Democratic candidate McClellan. "Lincoln had pressured
commanders to furlough soldiers home in time for the election."
Around this time, the National Detective Police (NDP) had made
progress in its investigations into possible kidnap plots against
Lincoln. "The secret police had also discovered [John Wilkes]
Booth's involvement." The authors mention a Confederate Major
Marsh Frye who they claim was a double agent. They claim also
that Booth's wife had been working with this Major Frye as a spy
and courier for the Confederacy but that she was unaware that
Frye was in reality an agent for the Union.
Another informant cultivated by the NDP at the time was one
"James William Boyd, prisoner of war... [who had] been a captain
in the Rebel secret service." The authors mention in passing that
this Captain Boyd had the same initials as John Wilkes Booth.
[B.R. So at this point we have a lot of loose threads. It will be
interesting to see where they lead.]
According to the authors, Booth also met with John Surratt around
this time. "Booth's diary claimed they joined together and began
recruiting men for the [planned] kidnapping."
In the Fall of 1864, Booth made a trip to Richmond where he met
with one Judah Benjamin, a British lawyer, Confederate Vice
President Alexander Stephens, and Jefferson Davis, President of
the Confederacy. "Out of this meeting came detailed instructions
for Booth. An order for $70,000, 'drawn on a friendly bank,' was
also handed the actor."
"Though on opposite sides of a civil war, the Northern
speculators and the Confederate politicians had a common
commodity problem. The speculators needed cotton. The south
needed meat. The Union's blockade prevented cotton from leaving
the South." After the 1864 election, Booth met with banker-
financier Jay Cooke at the Astor House in New York. Cooke's
brother Henry was also in attendance and spoke highly of the
aforementioned Judah Benjamin. This was a curious circumstance in
that Mr. Benjamin was one of the top men in the Confederacy
whereas Cooke was one of the bankers financing the Union side in
the war. Also in attendance at the meeting were "Thurlow Weed,
Samuel Noble, a New York Cotton broker, and Radical Republican
Zachariah Chandler, Michigan senator."
"In his diary Booth later recorded, 'Each and every one asserted
that he had dealings with the Confederate States and would
continue to whenever possible.'"
According to the authors, the link between most or all of these
groups was economic. Due to the Union blockade of the
Confederacy, the South, northern speculators, and the British
were all suffering. Because the South could not export its
cotton, mills in Britain and France were shutting down. The
blockade also cut off Northern moneymen from lucrative
investments in the cotton trade.
According to the recently recovered Booth diary pages, while in
Montreal near the end of 1864 Booth saw National Detective Police
(NDP) head Lafayette Baker in the company of Confederate agent
Nathaniel Beverly Tucker. Later that day, Booth met with Tucker
and Canadian Confederate secret service chief Jacob Thompson.
Booth delivered coded messages to each of them and Thompson gave
Booth a satchel containing $50,000 in bank notes. He was to
deliver $20,000 of this money to Senator Benjamin Wade, co-author
of the previously mentioned Wade-Davis Bill. Thus, if the missing
Booth diary pages are to be believed, we have evident collusion
between Radical Republicans and the Confederate secret service.
Furthermore, some connection between the head of the Union's NDP
and the southern secret service seems likely.
[B.R. -- Yet this all hinges on the veracity of the recently
recovered (c. 1977) Booth Diary Pages. The mystery deepens in
that I am writing this in 1993; whatever became of the 18 pages
that were recovered? Were they authenticated? Were they
published?]
Around this time (December 1864), one of Lincoln's most trusted
bodyguards, Ward Lamon, tried to warn Lincoln that he was in
great danger. When Lincoln shrugged off Lamon's warning, Lamon
threatened to resign stating that the President's life was sure
to be taken unless he were more cautious. The NDP also tried to
warn Lincoln of the danger he was in. Twice they notified
Secretary of War Stanton that a plot was underway to kidnap
Lincoln.
The authors furthermore claim that a Major Thomas Eckert, a
member of Stanton's office in the War Department, also had
knowledge of the proposed kidnapping of the president.
Booth returned to Washington, carrying the previously mentioned
satchel containing $50,000. He delivered portions of this money
to Senators Conness, Wade, and Chandler of the Radical Republican
faction of Lincoln's party. According to NDP chief Lafayette
Baker's notes, Senator Conness was involved with at least one of
the upcoming kidnap plots.
The authors contend that there had to be some hidden
person/persons linking the Radical Republicans (who were seeking
to control the Union and to ravage the post-war South) with the
Confederate secret service. The plan of the Radical Republicans
was to "seize control of the executive branch... [and] control
reconstruction." Why the Confederate secret service would team up
with them is not clear. Superficially, these two groups should
have had nothing in common.
Around this time Secretary of War Stanton personally ordered that
Federal prisoner Captain James W. Boyd (initials J.W.B., same as
John Wilkes Booth) was to be delivered to the Provost Marshal in
Washington, D.C.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
{ Sources used for this section include, but are not limited }
{ to the following: }
{ }
{ Andrew Potter Papers, Ray A. Neff Collection, Marshall, IL }
{ }
{ Baker, Lafayette C., *History of the United States Secret }
{ Service* (L.C. Baker, Philadelphia, 1967) }
{ }
{ Brennan, John C., "General Bradley T. Johnson's Plan to }
{ Abduct President Lincoln," Chronicles of St. Mary's County }
{ Historical Society, (Leonardtown, MD) Vol. 22, Nov. 1974 }
{ }
{ Clarke, Asia Booth, *The Unlocked Book: A Memoir of John }
{ Wilkes Booth* (G.P. Putnam's Sons, New York, 1938) }
{ }
{ Eisenschiml, Otto, *Why Was Lincoln Murdered?* (Little, }
{ Brown and Co., Boston, 1937) }
{ }
{ Gray, Clayton, *Conspiracy in Canada* (L'Atelier Press, }
{ Montreal, 1957) }
{ }
{ Lamon, Ward Hill, *Recollections of Abraham Lincoln* }
{ (University Press, Cambridge, MA, 1895) }
{ }
{ Lafayette Baker's Unpublished Cipher-Coded Book Manuscript, }
{ 1868, Dr. Ray A. Neff Collection }
{ }
{ "Maryland Historical Magazine, Vol. 68, "Martin Family," }
{ Fall 1973 }
{ }
{ Missing Booth Diary Pages. In the private collection of }
{ Stanton descendants. Released in 1976 through the efforts }
{ of Americana appraiser, Joseph Lynch of Worthington, MA }
{ }
{ Mogelever, Jacob, *Death to Traitors* (Doubleday & Co., }
{ New York, 1960) }
{ }
{ Peterson, T.B., *The Trial of the Assassins and Conspirators* }
{ (T.B. Peterson and Brothers, Philadelphia, 1865) }
{ }
{ Roscoe, Theodore, *The Web of Conspiracy* (Prentice-Hall, }
{ Englewood Cliffs, NJ, 1959) }
{ }
{ Weichmann, Louis J., *A True History of the Assassination of }
{ Abraham Lincoln and of the Conspiracy of 1865*, ed. Floyd }
{ E. Risvold, (Alfred E. Knopf, New York, 1975) }
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The Lincoln Conspiracy
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
By David Balsiger and Charles E. Sellier, Jr.
[...continued...]
Among Booth's earliest recruits in the plan to kidnap Lincoln
were Samuel Arnold and Michael O'Laughlin. Booth and O'Laughlin
had been involved in a smuggling ring early on in the war. They
had helped ship contraband quinine, morphine, and other medicines
to the South. "O'Laughlin believed Booth had been in charge of
the operation but knew the actor had had the help of men in the
government."
Besides Arnold and O'Laughlin, Booth recruited David Herold,
George Atzerodt, Edward Spangler, and Lewis Payne into his
kidnapping team. The original plan was to capture Lincoln when he
was on one of his frequent unguarded trips from the White House
to the Soldiers Home. Later, however, Booth decided on a more
dramatic location for the kidnap attempt -- Ford's Theater.
On the night of January 18, 1865, all was in readiness. Lincoln
was expected to attend a performance at Ford's Theater that
evening. "Everything was ready -- two sets of handcuffs, gags and
ropes. The stage lights were to be killed on cue. A vehicle with
side curtains was stationed in the alley behind the theater."
Unfortunately for the plotters, the night was stormy and Lincoln
decided to stay at home.
The leaders of the bankers and speculators plot to kidnap Lincoln
decided to replace Booth with a military man because they decided
that a civilian would not be the best person to handle the actual
kidnapping. All Booth could learn at first was that he had been
replaced by a Rebel officer, a "Captain B."
Captain James William Boyd "bore a resemblance to John Wilkes
Booth, whose initials he shared." Boyd had served as head of the
Confederate secret service in West Tennessee before being
captured in August 1863 by members of the National Detective
Police (NDP). After being imprisoned for months, he finally
succumbed to NDP pressure and became a Rebel turncoat.
For awhile, Boyd was "paid $90 a month and, in return, reported
on prisoners' activities and plans." However, when his life
became endangered because the other prisoners had grown
suspicious of him, he was released from Federal prison and given
a new assignment. He was sent "on a mysterious mission that would
take him to Canada, then Mexico."
The authors mention in passing that Boyd suffered from an old
wound. "Boyd's leg near his ankle had continued to give him
trouble. A bone and muscle infection had developed from the wound
that had never healed properly."
Besides the change in leadership from Booth to Boyd, the
"speculators, with Captain Boyd as their leader, appeared to have
a new strategy... They were not going to take Lincoln to
Richmond, but to Bloodsworth Island in Chesapeake Bay and
'legally' dispose of him."
In early March of 1865, inside "the nation's governmental centers
and in New York, the country's financial heart, many were not
happy."
"Power plays were going on behind almost every office door;
tremendous pressures were building. There was no end to the
intrigues, lies, deceits, and double-dealing."
For the turncoat Rebel agent, Captain James William Boyd, the
sense of intrigues surrounding him was so great that he was
unsure of exactly who his real leader was. "He had the impression
the mastermind was not one, but a number of highly placed men
working together on a daring plan."
Whoever it was that was running things had sent Boyd on a journey
through Maryland, headed south. In Maryland, wherever "he
stopped, he asked discreet questions concerning roads through the
area."
For John Wilkes Booth, the urgency of achieving success in his
kidnap plot was mounting. It became more and more apparent that
the North was going to win the war. Therefore it was increasingly
important that the South have *some* sort of advantage, from
whatever source. Booth became more desperate to kidnap the
president. He hoped that somehow the South could "yet snatch
victory from defeat."
"It looked as though Grover's Theatre would offer the best
opportunity to attempt the abduction on March 15." Booth
assembled his team of recruits and prepared to make a kidnap
attempt. However, on March 14th the President became so ill that
the cabinet met in his bedroom. Because it seemed unlikely that
Lincoln would go to the theatre the following day, the kidnapping
attempt was called off.
When the Grover's Theatre kidnapping attempt was called off, some
of the co-conspirators had gone to Ford's Theatre to see a
performance of *Jane Shore*. During the intermission, Booth
briefly visited the "Presidential Box," a special area reserved
for president Lincoln when he attended the theatre.
In the early morning of March 16th, Booth met with his recruits.
One of them had received word that Lincoln would be visiting the
Seventh Street Hospital-Soldiers Home. Booth came up with another
plan. On a portion of the road that the President was to travel,
the plotters would ride out of the woods and surround Lincoln's
carriage. However, when they tried to carry out their plot later
that day, the carriage that they surrounded did not contain
Lincoln. "Booth's third kidnap attempt had now failed."
The following morning, Booth was visited in his Washington hotel
room by Colonel Lafayette Baker, head of the National Detective
Police (NDP). Booth may have been understandably panicy that the
formal head of the Union's secret service was paying him a visit.
It may have been that he was fearful that his attempts at
kidnapping the President had been found out. However Baker's
mission that day was to deliver three sealed envelopes from
(respectively) Jefferson Davis [President of the Confederacy!],
Judah Benjamin, and Clement Clay. One of the messages that Booth
received directed him to pay Baker a sum of money.
After Baker had received the money from Booth and had left, Booth
was probably astonished. He immediately sent a note by special
courier to Confederate agent Judah Benjamin in Richmond. He then
went to the office of Radical Republican, Senator John Conness.
Conness had been connected with NDP head Baker as a member of a
vigilante group in California during the 1850's. He calmed
Booth's fears and assured him that Baker could be trusted.
Not long after this meeting with Senator Conness, Booth received
a reply to his message to Judah Benjamin in Richmond. It said
that Baker was to be trusted.
"Word now came to Booth that the President would pass a certain
spot on Saturday, March 18. Booth and an unknown number of
conspirators waited seven hours. When the President did approach,
he was escorted by a squad of cavalry." Booth called off this
fourth kidnapping attempt.
Following this latest attempt, NDP head Baker and a Lt. Col.
Everton J. Conger called on Booth. Booth did not record the topic
of this second meeting with Baker.
Booth attended another of many Washington parties. At this party,
he was approached by Senator Conness who informed him that he
was expecting information shortly as to Lincoln's planned
movements within the Washington area.
"Booth thought Yankee politicians were beyond belief. Their only
interest was money. They had no patriotism, no personal honor.
They were cowards, hiding behind their office, spouting
hypocrisy."
On Sunday, March 19th, Conness forwarded to Booth information on
the next kidnap possibility. "The conspirators rushed to the
location named. And waited in vain... The President did not
appear."
"On Monday, March 20, the conspirators made a sixth attempt at a
kidnap. About the time the President was supposed to pass the
ambush site, a warning was given Booth that the kidnapping was
expected. Booth ordered his men to scatter, sure he had been
betrayed."
Later that evening, Booth and two of his gang waited for Lincoln
in another spot by which Lincoln was supposed to be travelling.
When a horseman with a group of soldiers approached, Booth fired
a shot and the President's hat flew off. One of Booth's
companions, Lewis Payne, also fired twice but missed. Booth and
his companions "spurred furiously away, the President's armed
escort thundering after them... Within a couple of miles the
conspirators had eluded pursuit."
Shortly thereafter, Booth was visited by the previously mentioned
Lt. Col. Conger. Conger carried orders that Booth was to halt his
efforts. Booth refused. Conger then told Booth that "If you make
another move without orders, you and your friends are going to be
found in the Potomac."
On Monday, April 3, 1865, Richmond fell and the Confederate
cabinet fled the city.
"For Booth, time had about run out." On Saturday, April 1, he
left Washington for New York where he met with Northern cotton
speculators. Booth informed these people his apprehensions that
their plot was about to be betrayed by NDP head Lafayette Baker.
At the end of the meeting, "Booth was instructed to return to
Washington to wait for orders."
On Thursday, President Lincoln had authorized Gen. Godfrey
Weitzel to give permission to the "gentlemen who had acted as the
Legislature of Virginia in support of the Rebellion" to meet and
take measures to withdraw that state's troops from fighting the
Union soldiers. "Secretary of War Stanton saw the action as
allowing Virginia lawmakers to proceed as though nothing had
happened, setting a precedent for all future insurgent
legislatures to reconvene and be recognized." Needless to say,
this would severely curtail the postwar plans of Radical
Republicans and Northern businessmen for "reconstruction" in the
South. "The authorization had Washington in an uproar."
On April 9, 1865, Lee surrendered to Grant. "Lee's action, as
supreme Confederate Commander meant the war was over."
With the end of the war, Booth now expected that Northern
politicians and their business friends would strip the South
bare. He also wrote in his diary that "I believe that [Major]
Eckert, [Lafayette] Baker, and the Secretary [of War, Stanton]
are in control of our activities."
There were at least three good reasons that Stanton could be
behind Booth and his plotters: (1) Removing Lincoln would assure
that Stanton would continue as War Secretary, (2) Under the
proposed "reconstruction," the "War Department and the Secretary
of War would be vital in a military occupation of conquered
states." Thus, Stanton would wield tremendous power during the
proposed "reconstruction." Lincoln opposed this planned
despoliation of the South, and (3) By remaining in power, Stanton
could further his own ambitions to be president.
It has already been shown that Stanton disliked Lincoln. Stanton
even went so far in his audacity to *countermand* Lincoln's order
to Gen. Weitzel which had given the Legislature of Virginia
permission to reconvene. Lafayette Baker notes in his unpublished
book that "That's the first time I knew Stanton was one of those
responsible for the assassination plot." Baker even feared that
he himself would be used as a "sacrificial goat" [i.e. a "patsy"]
by Stanton.
Booth also was apprehensive about what the hidden forces plotting
against Lincoln might do to Booth himself. In his diary he wrote,
"If by this act, I am slain, they too shall be cast into hell,
for I have given information to a friend who will have the nation
know who the traitors are."
At the White House, Lincoln's trusted bodyguard, Ward Lamon, had
obtained a special pass from the President which allowed him and
an unspecified friend to travel from Washington to Richmond. On
the night before Lamon left the capital he urged the President
not to go out after nightfall, especially not to the theatre.
Meanwhile, Rebel turncoat Capt. James William Boyd had been
acquiring horses in southern Maryland. While there, Boyd had
learned that one Thomas Watkins had attempted to sexually assault
the wife of one of Boyd's colleagues. Boyd went and shot Watkins
in the back of the head. Although the Federal government was
aware of what Boyd had done, it did nothing. "His [Boyd's]
freedom was more important to someone than having him tried for
murder."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
{ Sources used for this section include, but are not limited }
{ to the following: }
{ }
{ Arnold, Samuel B., *Defence and Prison Experiences of a }
{ Lincoln Conspirator* (The Book Farm, Hattiesburg, MS, 1943) }
{ }
{ Captain James William Boyd Letter to Moe Stevens, Boyd Papers }
{ Ray A. Neff Collection }
{ }
{ John Surratt Lecture at Rockville, Maryland, December 6, 1870 }
{ (Evening Star, Washington, D.C., Dec. 7, 1870) }
{ }
{ Lafayette Baker's Unpublished Cipher-Coded Book Manuscript, }
{ 1868, Dr. Ray A. Neff Collection }
{ }
{ Lee, Thomas C., "The Role of Georgetown's Dr. Samuel A. Mudd }
{ in the Lincoln Conspiracy," Georgetown Medical Bulletin, }
{ May, 1976 }
{ }
{ Major Thomas T. Eckert Letter to Col. Lafayette C. Baker, }
{ April 22, 1865. In the private collection of Stanton }
{ descendants. Released in 1976 through the efforts of }
{ Americana appraiser, Joseph Lynch }
{ }
{ Missing Booth Diary Pages. In the private collection of }
{ Stanton descendants. Released in 1976 through the efforts }
{ of Americana appraiser, Joseph Lynch of Worthington, MA }
{ }
{ Oldroyd, Osborn H., *The Assassination of Abraham Lincoln: }
{ Flight, Pursuit, Capture and Punishment of the }
{ Conspirators* (Privately Published, Washington, D.C. 1901) }
{ }
{ Pitman, Benn, *The Assassination of President Lincoln and the }
{ Trial of the Conspirators* (Funk & Wagnalls, New York, }
{ 1954) }
{ }
{ Shelton, Vaughan, *Mask for Treason: The Lincoln Murder }
{ Trial* (Stackpole Books, Harrisburg, PA, 1965) }
{ }
{ Shutes, Milton H., *Lincoln's Emotional Life* (Dorrance and }
{ Co., Philadelphia, 1957) }
{ }
{ Wilson, Francis, *John Wilkes Booth: Fact and Fiction of }
{ Lincoln's Assassination* (Houghton Mifflin Co., New York, }
{ 1929) }
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The Lincoln Conspiracy
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
By David Balsiger and Charles E. Sellier, Jr.
[...continued...]
According to the authors, Booth's plan after having carried out
the abduction of Lincoln was to go to Europe. They state that
Booth had arranged for extensive bank credits in England and
France.
Yet as Booth's desperation grew, the original kidnapping plot
gradually became an assassination plot.
On Good Friday, April 14, 1865, workers began preparing the
"Presidential Box" at Ford's theatre because they had received
word that Lincoln would be attending the theatre that night. To
get to the Presidential Box, one needed to pass into a single
small antechamber whose entrance would be constantly guarded.
Booth had learned that the President would be attending the
theatre. According to an unpublished, voluntary statement by
Booth's friend, Michael O'Laughlin, Booth met O'Laughlin in front
of Ford's Theatre at about 7:45 pm that evening. Booth was upset.
O'Laughlin quotes him as saying, "Everything's gone wrong! The
major sent word that he would not be here... The major with the
President has refused to go through with it... Everyone wants to
call it off again. I refuse. It must be done tonight!"
That morning, there had been a cabinet meeting at the White
House. At that meeting, Stanton had again argued for the Radical
Republicans plan of "reconstruction." At the meeting, Stanton
again pushed for this plan which favored that the "...South be
treated as a conquered nation and ruled by military occupation."
However, as already noted, Lincoln opposed this plan for harsh
treatment of the former Confederacy. What is more, Lincoln's
political strength was at a high point. "He had kept his pledge
to keep the Union intact. He had freed the slaves. To date, he
had won everything for which he had fought." Lincoln would be a
powerful opponent to the hopes for a postwar pillaging of the
South.
That evening, one of Lincoln's bodyguards, John Parker, was late
in arriving. Nonetheless, the President allowed William Crook,
another of his bodyguards, to go home without waiting for
Parker's arrival. As Crook was leaving, Lincoln said to him,
"Good-bye, Crook." According to Crook this was unusual in that
Lincoln had heretofore always said "Good night, Crook."
At about this time, in the early evening of April 14, 1865, while
Lincoln was preparing to leave with his wife for Ford's Theatre,
his death was *already* being reported in scattered parts of the
country:
*** In St. Joseph, Minnesota, located over 80 miles from the
nearest telegraph, the news was circulating that the President
had been murdered.
*** That morning, residents of Booth's hometown of Manchester,
New Hampshire, "were speaking in the past tense of Lincoln's
assassination, discussing the event as if it had already
happened."
*** At 2:30 pm, a writer on the Middletown, New York *Whig Press*
asserted that he had been informed that the President had been
shot.
*** The *Newburgh Journal* confirmed the reports in the *Whig
Press* regarding Lincoln's having been shot.
Thus, from 12 to 4 hours *before* the actual assassination, it
was already being reported.
One of Lincoln's bodyguards, John Parker, arrived at Ford's
Theatre before Lincoln and checked out the lobby, the stairs to
the "dress circle," and the presidential box. The Lincoln party,
consisting of Lincoln, Mrs. Lincoln, Maj. R. Rathbone, and his
fiancee, Miss Clara Harris, arrived at the theatre after the
play, "Our American Cousin" had already begun. They were
accompanied by Lincoln's personal aide, Charles Forbes.
After the presidential party had been seated in the presidential
box, guard John Parker commenced to stand guard at his assigned
post. However, after a short while, Parker moved from there to an
empty seat at the front of the gallery from which spot he could
watch the play. Lincoln's back was now totally unguarded.
But Parker soon grew bored with the play. He went downstairs to
the lobby, went outside, and walked up to the presidential
carriage. Inside, the driver was sleeping. Parker woke the driver
and asked him if he would like to join him for a beer at the nearby
Taltavul's Star Saloon. The driver accepted the invitation. "As
the two men passed through the theatre doors on their way to... [the
saloon], they saw [presidential aid] Forbes who had left the
presidential party alone in the box. Forbes joined Parker and
Burns [the driver] at the bar."
As the play progressed, Parker, Forbes, and Burns enjoyed their
beers in the saloon. Booth entered the theatre, climbed the
stairs, and entered the presidential box. "Booth took a quick
step from the antechamber, crossed the three or four feet to the
President's back, and quickly extended the pistol. Lincoln
started to turn his head to the left. The derringer's explosion
ripped through the laughter."
"The assailant dropped his pistol and sprang toward the box
railing. Rathbone thought he heard someone cry, 'Freedom!' Booth
cried, 'Sic semper tyrannis!' Thus always to tyrants."
Major Rathbone jumped up and grappled with Booth. Booth made a
slash with a large knife towards the major's chest. Rathbone
deflected the blow with his left arm and was badly cut between
the elbow and the shoulder.
"Booth vaulted over the railing to the stage apron a dozen feet
below... [Upon landing, he found that] the fall had snapped his
[Booth's] left tibia about two inches above the ankle."
Nonetheless, Booth was able to stagger towards the backstage
exit, mount a horse, and ride off.
Doctors in the audience examined the President's wound and
pronounced it fatal. "The President's eyes showed evidence of
brain damage. The bullet had gone in the left side of the head,
behind the ear near the top of the spine. There was no exit
wound."
"Fingers, thrust into the wound, could not touch the bullet. From
the patient's slightly protruding right eye, the doctors
correctly concluded the 44 caliber ball had entered behind the
left ear and lodged in the brain just behind the right eye."
At Secretary of State Seward's home there had also been an
assassination attempt. At the Seward mansion, five people had
been attacked. Among those attacked was the Secretary of State.
The assailant "...sprang upon the defenseless secretary in the
bed. The knife... [ripped] Seward's right cheek, the right side
of his throat, and [slashed] deeply under the left ear. So much
blood spurted, it seemed his throat must have been cut."
As the city grew hysterical over the news of the assassination
attempts, rumors of all sorts spread. Amidst all the uproar,
Booth "galloped toward the Navy Yard Bridge which crossed the
Eastern Branch of the Potomac. The further shore was Maryland.
Chesapeake Bay and the Atlantic were to the east. Richmond was
100 miles south.
Shortly after Lincoln was shot, L.A. Gobright, an Associated
Press representative in Washington, put a short bulletin out over
the commercial telegraph saying that the President had been shot.
"The AP man filed a second telegram... The morning edition of the
*New York Tribune* read, 'Our Washington agent orders the
dispatch about the president stopped. Nothing is said about the
truth or falsity of that dispatch.'"
"Before details of the night of terror could be flashed from
Washington to morning newspapers, the commercial telegraph went
dead... Within 15 minutes after the murder, the wires were
severed entirely around the city, excepting only a secret wire
for government use..."
The authors state that this destruction of telegraph service
could only have been accomplished by someone who was an expert
about the telegraph. "Only someone familiar with telegraphy,
working inside the main terminal area, could have so effectively
sabotaged the news wire."
After having been shot, the dying Lincoln had been taken across
the street to a boardinghouse owned by William Peterson. In the
back parlor of the house, Secretary of War [B.R. They now call
this cabinet post the Secretary of "Defense"] Stanton set up a
temporary seat of government. "Here, virtually a dictator,
Stanton took control of the situation and the nation."
Stanton began issuing orders to close escape routes out of the
city. Eventually, the only road not closed by Stanton was the
road leading south from Washington to Port Tobacco. "Booth's act
had caused a virtual blockade of the whole Atlantic coast from
Baltimore to Hampton Roads, Virginia, yet the assassin slipped
through because the closings had been piecemeal, beginning in the
least likely direction and moving slowly toward the route Booth
was most likely to have taken."
"In all wires issued from the War Department during the night of
April 14, this route [south from Washington to Port Tobacco] was
not once mentioned...[Yet] it was the one obvious route that
should have been instantly and tightly closed."
In the back parlor of the Peterson house, statements by witnesses
to the shooting were taken. James Tanner, a Union corporal who
knew shorthand, recorded these statements. In Tanner's words,
"Within fifteen minutes, I had testimony enough to hang Wilkes
Booth." Yet Stanton sent no messages to the newspapers or
to the military leaders identifying Booth as the assassin.
By this time, Booth was well south of Washington and headed east
toward Benedict's Landing where a ship of British registry,
flying Canadian colors, was waiting for two "crewmen." A second
ship of British registry, also flying the Canadian flag, was
waiting at Port Tobacco.
For Rebel turncoat Captain James William Boyd, the murder of
Lincoln was not good news. "Booth's shot wrecked his plan to
kidnap Lincoln on behalf of the Northern speculators. If his name
became involved in the Booth plot, Boyd was in great danger."
Boyd decided to flee. He packed his gear and headed for Maryland.
"About 6 a.m. Saturday morning, White House guard John Parker,
who had vacated his post and allowed the President to be shot,
showed up at the Washington police station with Lizzie Williams,
a drunken streetwalker, in custody. She was released by the
precinct captain."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
{ Sources used for this section include, but are not limited }
{ to the following: }
{ }
{ Bishop, Jim, *The Day Lincoln Was Shot* (Harper & Brothers, }
{ New York, 1955) }
{ }
{ Dewitt, David M., *The Assassination of Lincoln and Its }
{ Expiation* (MacMillan Co., New York, 1909) }
{ }
{ Eisenschiml, Otto, *Why Was Lincoln Murdered?* (Little, }
{ Brown, and Co., Boston, 1937) }
{ }
{ Eisenschiml, Otto, *In the Shadow of Lincoln's Death* }
{ (Wilfred Funk, Inc., New York, 1940) }
{ }
{ Existing Pages of the John Wilkes Booth Diary on display at }
{ Ford's Theatre National Historic Site, Washington, D.C. }
{ }
{ Ferguson, W.J., *I Saw Booth Shoot Lincoln* (Houghton }
{ Mifflin, Boston, 1930) }
{ }
{ Gerry, Margarita Spalding, *Through Five Administrations: }
{ Reminiscences of Colonel William H. Crook* (Harper and }
{ Brothers, New York, 1907) }
{ }
{ Roscoe, Theodore, *The Web of Conspiracy* (Prentice-Hall, }
{ Englewood Cliffs, NJ, 1959) }
{ }
{ Shelton, Vaughan, *Mask for Treason: The Lincoln Murder }
{ Trial* (Stackpole Books, Harrisburg, PA, 1965) }
{ }
{ Unpublished Voluntary Statement of Michael O'Laughlin, April }
{ 27, 1865, originally in the Benn Pittman Collection, }
{ Cincinnati, OH Ray A. Neff Collection }
{ }
{ Weichmann, Louis J., *A True History of the Assassination of }
{ Abraham Lincoln and of the Conspiracy of 1865*, ed. Floyd }
{ E. Risvold, (Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1975) }
[...to be continued...]
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[From The Congressional Record -- House, H894, Jan. 31, 1995]
THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE:
Under the Speaker's announced policy of January 4, 1995, the
gentleman from Ohio [Mr. Traficant] is recognized during morning
business for 5 minutes.
MR. TRAFICANT:
Mr. Speaker, I agree 1,000 percent with the former speaker, the
gentleman from eastern Kentucky [Mr. Bunning] and share in that
message. Where the gentleman from Kentucky [Mr. Bunning] says
that Congress cannot control the policy within Mexico, nor for
that matter any other foreign government. I wholeheartedly agree.
But what bothers me today is Congress can control the policy of
the United States of America and that is why we were in fact
elected. We were not elected as a Member of the British
Parliament or the Israeli Knesset or the Japanese Diet. We are in
fact Members of Congress.
An issue I want to talk about today is a bill that I have
sponsored, H.R. 390, that is a very straightforward bill that
deals with the IRS [Internal Revenue Service]. I believe an
agency of our Federal Government that the U.S. Congress has not
only failed to control but has allowed to proceed without
oversight in establishing not only policy which is clearly within
the province of the United States of America, but rules and
regulations that in fact impound and impact upon that policy and
everybody seems to just be silent. Nobody wants the IRS on your
back.
I am not going to go into the whole litany of Watergate, but if
there was a real downside to Watergate, it was not that snooping.
That happens all the time. The Nixon people happened to get
caught. What bothered me, though, is reading the White House
transcripts on the targeting of enemies of the White House, where
the President is quoted in White House transcripts as saying,
"That Congressman is on my back and I've had it. You get the FBI
and you get the IRS out there and you get this guy out of the
way."
We know that that goes on. We believe that it is relatively
small. Most IRS agents are regular Americans like we are and they
try and do a good job.
But there is a fundamental problem here. In their zeal, there are
some overzealous agents. There have been Americans that have been
ripped off and Congress continues to be silent.
The Traficant bill is right to the point. In certain civil
proceedings, the only agency of the Federal Government that can
waive the Constitution and its Bill of Rights is the Internal
Revenue Service, because in certain civil proceedings in courts
of law, the burden of proof is on the taxpayer to prove they are
not guilty and they are in fact innocent. That is unheard of. How
did this thing evolve?
Just on a matter of fairness, if there were not cases that speak
to this dilemma that we face, how could this have evolved,
Congress?
Where are rules and regulations being promulgated behind closed
doors by bureaucrats without congressional oversight able to
basically change the basic tenet of our Constitution?
I want to give my colleagues one example, David and Millie Evans
of Colorado. IRS said you owe us $40,000. We are going to lien
your property unless you pay. David and Millie Evans said we do
not believe we owe that money. About a month later the IRS called
back and said we made a mistake; it is $100,000.
The Evanses got together at the IRS, they came to a settlement
agreement, $22,000, and the Evanses wrote the check for $22,000.
Another group in the IRS said we did not receive the check. It is
a moot point. We want the $100,000.
The case went to court. They lost their business, their home was
liened. They spent a ton of money on attorneys, and finally a
court said the Evanses are in fact innocent.
The IRS appealed the case by saying the judge wrongfully
instructed the jury. He told the jury that the burden of proof in
this case was on the IRS to prove their case, but under this
proceeding the burden of proof is not. The IRS said the burden of
proof is on the Evanses and the case should be overturned and
vacated, and it was.
The Traficant bill was not getting looked at too much because
most Members want to say, "I can't believe the IRS has that
power; come on now."
That was a court case. We have documented cases of suicide, we
have documented cases of Americans that are simply told, "Prove
it."
I think it is very simple, ladies and gentlemen, if the IRS has a
case and IRS has money coming, taxpayers of America want the
Internal Revenue Service to collect that money. But I think we
have created an agency that is a little bit out of control and
too much for those people, including Red Skelton, who said we
have a gestapo unit in Washington known as the Internal Revenue
Service. I think Red Skelton an awful long time ago was trying to
tell Congress about something that was building in our country.
Finally, Mr. Speaker, average Americans are frustrated with our
Government. Many cannot articulate it, but one thing they know
for sure, they know that the Internal Revenue Service has gone
beyond the control of Congress. I hear many Members that say,
"Look, Jim. I don't want to get involved in that case."
Well, your taxpayers are. Congress should be.
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[CN Editor -- I cannot vouch for the accuracy of *all* of the
following. It may or may not be true, I just don't know. However
I consider Skolnick to be an honest and careful investigator.]
[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put
out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up
the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]
Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts,
9800 South Oglesby.
There's plenty the popular press is not telling us about the
bailout of Mexico. For example: the horrendous conflict of
interest involving Maurice Greenberg, the chairman of the Federal
Reserve district bank in New York, who's also the chairman of the
American International Group, a tremendous company with interests
in Mexico.
UNKNOWN INTERVIEWEE:
At this point in time, we are being told by the Federal
Reserve that, "We need to go down and bail out Mexico."
Well guess what? *In* Mexico, American International Group
has a tremendous financial interest! They have invested
millions and millions of dollars there. How would *you* like
to be the chairman of the New York Federal Reserve district,
and not have any risk whatsoever, because you knew that if
something did happen to your investment, you could play a
key, integral role in bailing yourself and your corporation
out!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, true. I understand. And the New York "Fed" is very
instrumental in the Mexico thing.
UNKNOWN INTERVIEWEE:
The "Fed", the New York branch of the "Fed", is *the* most
powerful group.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
(This is another interview with Pat Riatt(sp?), financial
researcher and publisher.) [CN -- As far as I can determine,
the following interviewee, Mr. Riatt, is not the same person
as the "unknown interviewee", above.]
PAT RIATT:
There's very, very little truth being said about the Mexican
situation. The real reasons that, we're being told, are
completely different than the phony reasons that we're being
given.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Such as what?
PAT RIATT:
Well, who are the parties that stand to gain from the
bailout? One of the things I can tell you -- and most people
don't have to be brain surgeons to understand -- is that the
Mexican people are not going to benefit from this bailout.
They're talking about a guarantee of $40 billion. They're
talking about a guarantee of $40 billion being leveraged
[with] Mexican oil going to pay for this. Well Mexican oil,
through their nationalized company, petroleum company, called
PEMEX, has already been mortgaged! This would be, like, the
30th mortgage on that, as a security! So if we're going to
get this $40 billion, we're going to be 30th in line. And how
much money do you think we're going to get when we're 30th in
line?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Probably not very much.
PAT RIATT:
No.
The people that are profiteering are the big banks, on Wall
Street (as you are hearing in the press). There are also
other large corporations, like U.S. Trust Company, which is
headed by Robert Day(sp?). He was down there; he used his
influence with Henry Kissinger -- Ya gotta remember: Henry
Kissinger is a *major* player in this entire scenario. He was
writing long columns, on and on and on, espousing the virtue
of the Mexican government. He claimed that he knew of no more
competent government in the world, to pass NAFTA! He pushed
NAFTA through, never telling anyone out there -- *anyone* --
that he had a major stake, at Kissinger Associates, his
consulting firm, and had *numerous* clients, where he was
profiteering from the very fact that NAFTA would be passed.
And there's no reason at all that public pension funds, for
instance, should have been investing in these type of
markets.
However, I can tell you that, as of a conversation that we
had with the director of the state of Wisconsin investment
board, just yesterday, whose name is Patricia Lippman(?),
that this particular investment board, which heads up a $35
billion investment portfolio, has lost *tens* of millions of
public pension money *down* *in* *Mexico*.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Also, a number of pension funds like that have lost a great
deal of money in derivatives.
PAT RIATT:
We have a situation in this country where we're not being
told the truth, and the American taxpayers are having to bail
out people that gave us false information and did not do due
diligence when they did the NAFTA.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, the NAFTA, of course, also involves Canada. And there
are some astute observers that believe that Canada, like
Mexico, is bankrupt. And that the united States is in the
middle [of] sort of a "bankrupt sandwich". [laughs]
PAT RIATT:
Well we're a triple-decker, in that case, because we're
bankrupt as well!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Another story, suppressed by the liars and whores of the press.
In Chicago, see us on cable tv, channel 21, 9 pm [cst] most
Monday evenings.
Play it again: "The Colossal Scandal in the Clinton White House".
(312) 731-1505.
New message Friday; we change it several times a week.
Donations appreciated. Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the
Courts, 9800 South Oglesby, Chicago, [Illinois] 60617. For the
latest on courts, banks, espionage agencies, political
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The Lincoln Conspiracy
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
By David Balsiger and Charles E. Sellier, Jr.
[...continued...]
Senator William M. Stewart of Nevada rushed to the Kirkwood House
and found the vice-President "...in a drunken stupor. His
clothing was disarrayed. Mud matted his hair." After being made
presentable by a barber and sobered up by a physician, Andrew
Johnson was sworn in as the 17th President of the United States.
In his inauguration "speech," Johnson declared that "The course
which I have taken in the past in connection with this rebellion
must be regarded as a guarantee for the future." This meant that
Lincoln's proposed policy of amnesty for the South was finished.
Johnson would give his support to those planning to treat the
defeated Confederacy as conquered enemy territory.
"Radical Republicans were delighted. Everything that Lincoln had
fought for could be presumed dead along with the late President."
Some of them even went so far as to declare that "Lincoln's death
is like a blessing from heaven."
After having his broken leg tended to by Dr. Samuel Mudd (who
apparently had no idea whose leg he was treating nor that Lincoln
had just been assassinated), Booth and a companion (a former
smuggler named Ed Henson whom Booth had joined up with early in
his flight from Washington) disappeared into the nearby Zekiah
Swamp. After about three hours of trudging through this desolate
wilderness, they approached a farm owned by Col. Samuel Cox. Cox
hid the fugitives in a pine thicket about two miles from his
house and sent for his foster brother, Thomas A. Jones. During
the just finished Civil War, Jones had "...nightly rowed the two
mile crossing of the Potomac to, or from, Virginia with persons
who wanted to cross the river unnoticed." Jones promised Booth
and Henson that he would get them across the river as soon as
possible.
Back in Washington, Stanton assigned NDP chief Lafayette Baker to
get Booth. Booth's rash act had thrown the carefully laid plans
of those higher up in the hierarchy of power "...into a cocked
hat." Stanton feared that unless the pursuit and capture of Booth
was brought to a speedy finish, that his and his colleagues'
kidnap plots would be incidentally exposed by the ongoing
investigations.
Booth's shooting of Lincoln had come as such a surprise to
Stanton and his friends that they were terrified that their own
plots would be uncovered. NDP chief Baker knew that his boss
[Stanton] preferred that Booth not be taken alive. If Booth were
to live long enough to talk, there was a good possibility that he
would implicate those higher up in the conspiracies surrounding
Lincoln.
Baker's NDP found Booth acquaintance David Herold "Drunk under a
tree." Baker persuaded Herold to serve as a guide for his
detectives. If Herold would lead them to Booth, Baker promised
that he would overlook Herold's early involvement with Booth in
what had started out as a kidnap plot; if Herold would lead them
to Booth, Herold would not be hung. Herold agreed to help them
locate Booth.
The agencies gathering evidence in the hunt for those guilty in
the assassination of Lincoln were overly zealous. One early
witness, John Lloyd, an alcoholic, "...was denied all liquor for
48 hours. In addition, he was hanged from a tree by his thumbs
for those 48 hours." Another early detainee, Louis Weichmann, was
"...given a choice of hanging as a conspirator or testifying
against those accused."
In southern Maryland, David Herold and two NDP detectives headed
for the farm of a Col. Frank Beale. It had been reported that
Boyd, the double agent, might be hiding there. The reports proved
correct, and Boyd was taken in tow by the search party. Neither
Boyd nor Herold felt any loyalty towards the NDP and the Union,
and both planned to escape from the NDP detectives at the first
opportunity. When the search party neared Port Tobacco, at night
while the detectives were sleeping, Boyd and Herold made their
escape. They were able to steal three pistols, a Spencer carbine,
and three fully loaded magazine pouches before escaping.
Shortly thereafter, both pairs of fugitives, Booth and Henson and
Boyd and Herold, "...were within a short distance of each other
near Port Tobacco." Both pairs of fugitives planned to cross the
Potomac river to escape pursuit.
"Boyd and Herold went to a Colonel Hughes' place... arriving
about daybreak on April 19. They were heading for a place west of
Mathias Point to cross the river. Boyd's right leg was festering
and so sore that he was reduced to using a crude crutch."
On the night of Friday, April 21, Booth and Henson were able to
get across the Potomac river. Boyd and Herold had already crossed
the Potomac the day before. Sometime Saturday night, Booth and
Henson had arrived at Gambo Creek but then had hurriedly moved
on, headed for a crossing at Port Conway. In their haste, they
left behind Booth's coat, his diary and other items. Booth and
Henson as well as Boyd and Herold, in separate pairs, each
reached Port Conway on Monday, April 24.
Meanwhile, back in Washington, about 2,000 people had been
arrested on suspicion of involvement in the Lincoln assassination
conspiracy. Among the "wanted" posters being issued by Secretary
of War Stanton and the NDP, one carried a picture of David Herold
that had been taken while he was in preliminary custody after the
assassination (i.e. when he had cut the deal with NDP chief Baker
to help them capture Booth). In fact, the "...Herold photo had
his handcuffed hands cropped off so the public wouldn't know that
he had [actually already] been arrested earlier. The Herold frame-
up was under way."
During the frantic and chaotic search for whoever was proclaimed
to be the guilty parties, several innocent people were killed by
overzealous detectives. "In the throngs of trigger-happy
hunters... it was the detectives and military men, immune from
prosecution, who did the killing....[For example] two civilians
named Frank Boyle and William Watson were shot 'because they
resembled Booth.' The secret police even disposed of the two
bodies."
On Friday, April 21, a Lt. Lovett and a squad of cavalry returned
to the home of Dr. Samuel Mudd. After questioning him further,
they rode off. However, "On Monday, April 24, an officer with
three soldiers took Dr. Mudd to Washington. He would not return
home for many years to come." [B.R. Dr. Mudd was another victim
of the hysteria surrounding the assassination of Lincoln. To my
knowledge, he has either recently, finally, been granted a full
pardon (posthumously, of course) by the Federal government, or
there is currently a great deal of pressure that he *should* be
granted such a pardon.]
The pursuing Federal investigators had engaged the services of a
Native American (a.k.a. "Indian") scout in their hunt for Booth.
On Sunday, April 23rd, this Native American scout, Nalgai,
returned to Washington. He carried with him two brandy bottles,
"...an ulsterette with bloodstains, a pistol, a compass, a wallet
containing $2,100 in Union currency, several letters of credit on
Canadian and British banks, and pictures of six pretty young
women and a horse." He also brought back Booth's diary.
At first, detectives Andrew and James Potter were quite happy to
have recovered Booth's diary. However their happiness turned to
dismay when they began reading Booth's documentation regarding
his meetings with certain powerful and well-known individuals.
Among the personages mentioned by Booth were financier Jay Cooke,
his brother Henry Cooke, political boss Thurlow Weed, and NDP
chief Lafayette Baker. Booth had also written about his meetings
with "...Jefferson Davis, Judah Benjamin, Montgomery
Blair,...'The Secretary,'...[and] Senator Wade."
According to a diary kept by Representative George Julian of
Indiana, he was present at a meeting which took place at the War
Department on Monday, April 24, 1865. Present at this meeting,
according to Rep. Julian's diary, were a Major Eckert of the War
Department, Secretary of War Stanton, Senator Zachariah Chandler
of Michigan, and Senator John Conness. Also "present" at the
meeting was Booth's recently recovered diary.
The subject of discussion was the potentially disastrous effect
that the publication of the information in Booth's diary would
have and the need to keep that information top secret. To give an
idea of the potentially explosive effect the dissemination of the
information in Booth's diary would have had, the authors quote
excerpts from the so-called Missing Booth Diary Pages (i.e. the
18 missing pages released under the Freedom of Information Act
during the mid-70's):
Excerpts from the Missing Booth Diary Pages:
*** "With Jay Cooke at the Astor Hotel, I met Thurlow Weed, Sen.
Chandler, and a Mr. Bell who said he was a friend of John
Conness... the speculators in cotton and gold would do anything
-- including murder -- to make the amount of money they have..."
*** "...[Senator John] Conness said he would supply the new
passwords every six weeks..."
*** "...Thompson gave me $50,000 in bank notes with instructions
to take $15,000 to Sen. Conness... and to leave in a sealed
envelope $20,000 in notes at the home of Sen. Wade..."
*** "...[NDP Chief Lafayette] Baker comes and brings with him
Col. Conger. I told Baker to have him leave because I did not
know him, and talking to too many people can be dangerous..."
*** "...no matter who speaks for [NDP Chief Lafayette] Baker, I
do not like him and will not trust him... I believe that Baker
and Eckert and the Secretary are in control of our activities...
and this frightens me..."
According to Rep. Julian's diary, those present at the meeting
(except for Rep. Julian himself) feared for their lives if the
information in Booth's diary ever got out. Rep. Julian had
favored the overthrow of Lincoln by Constitutional means. In his
diary, Julian wrote, "It was disgusting to see those men grovel
in fear because of their immoral activities." He further quotes
Stanton as saying, "...we either stick together in this thing or
we all hang together."
Indiana Representative George Julian also noted in his diary that
the question arose as to what would happen if Booth were captured
alive. Keeping the diary a secret was one thing, but how would
they keep Booth from telling what he knew? According to Rep.
Julian's diary, Stanton declared that Booth would not be tried in
open court.
Stanton then ordered that the Booth diary be put in his safe and
that under no circumstances was it to be released to anyone.
Because NDP Chief Lafayette Baker did not trust Stanton, he
organized a special unit with its purpose being to capture Booth
alive at all costs. Apparently, Baker feared that Stanton might
release selected portions of Booth's diary which implicated Baker
whilst secreting other portions which implicated Stanton himself.
The authors do not directly say this, but apparently Baker
planned to use Booth as a bargaining chip in case Stanton were to
turn on him.
Scattered forces were converging on Port Conway. "If John Wilkes
Booth lived to tell his story, the nation's biggest scandal would
wash over Washington like garbage scattered by a tornado."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
{ Sources used for this section include, but are not limited }
{ to the following: }
{ }
{ Andrew Potter Papers, Ray A. Neff Collection, Marshall, IL }
{ }
{ Bearden Papers. Margaret K. Bearden Collection }
{ }
{ Capt. James William Boyd Letter to Moe Stevens, Boyd Papers. }
{ Ray A. Neff Collection }
{ }
{ Col. Lafayette Baker's Letter to Edwin M. Stanton, May 5, }
{ 1865. In the private collection of Stanton descendants. }
{ Released in 1976 through the efforts of Americana }
{ appraiser, Joseph Lynch }
{ }
{ Existing Pages of the John Wilkes Booth Diary on display at }
{ Ford's Theatre National Historic Site, Washington, D.C. }
{ }
{ Jones, Thomas A., "J. Wilkes Booth: An Account of His Sojourn }
{ in Southern Maryland After the Assassination of Abraham }
{ Lincoln," *The Amateur Book Collector*, Sept. 1954 }
{ }
{ Kunhardt, Dorothy Meserve and Kunhardt, Philip B., *Twenty }
{ Days* (Harper & Row, New York, 1965) }
{ }
{ Missing Booth Diary Pages. In the private collection of }
{ Stanton descendants. Released in 1976 through the efforts }
{ of Americana appraiser, Joseph Lynch of Worthington, MA }
{ }
{ Mudd, Nettie, *The Life of Dr. Samuel A. Mudd (Neale }
{ Publishing Co., New York, 1906) }
{ }
{ Rep. George Julian Diary, April 1865. Ray A. Neff Collection }
{ }
{ Roscoe, Theodore, *The Web of Conspiracy* (Prentice-Hall, }
{ Englewood Cliffs, NJ, 1959) }
{ }
{ Shelton, Vaughan, *Mask for Treason: The Lincoln Murder }
{ Trial* (Stackpole Books, Harrisburg, PA, 1965) }
{ }
{ Unpublished Voluntary Statement of Dandridge Mercer Green, }
{ April 30, 1865, National Archives, Ray A. Neff Collection }
{ }
{ Weichmann, Louis J., *A True History of the Assassination of }
{ Abraham Lincoln and of the Conspiracy of 1865*, ed. Floyd }
{ E. Risvold, (Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1975) }
[...to be continued...]
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[From The Congressional Record -- House, H957, Jan. 31, 1995]
THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE:
Under a previous order of the House, the gentleman from Tennessee
[Mr. Duncan] is recognized for 5 minutes.
(Mr. Duncan asked and was given permission to revise and extend
his remarks.)
MR. DUNCAN:
Mr. Speaker, one of the most wasteful, inefficient agencies in
the entire Federal Government is the Food and Drug
Administration [FDA].
In their bureaucratic and arrogant way, they have held medicines
and medical devices off the U.S. market, sometimes for years, to
the detriment of the health of American citizens.
By their rules, regulations, and red tape, they have driven up
the price of drugs and have helped the big drug giants by making
it extremely difficult or almost impossible for small businesses
to compete in the field.
Now, however, they want to do something which should outrage
every taxpayer in the Nation.
At a time when we are supposed to be downsizing the Federal
Government, the FDA wants to build a Taj Mahal complex of
buildings in Maryland for a new headquarters.
Part of this project is to be in Montgomery County and part in
Prince Georges County.
However, the important point is not the location. It is the cost.
The original cost estimate for these buildings was almost $1
billion dollars.
However, because the FDA has become concerned about the
appearance of this exorbitant and excessive spending at a time
when most people want frugality in Government, they have lowered
their estimated cost, all the way down to $875 million.
Even if this project comes in on budget, which I seriously doubt,
it would still be at a cost of a whopping $257 a square foot.
State governments are building beautiful buildings for half this
cost.
And is the FDA doing everything possible to hold down costs?
Well, since the money is not coming out of their own pockets,
they chose the most expensive site they looked at and some of the
most expensive land in this Nation.
The original cost estimate for the Prince Georges facility was
$290 a square foot.
The Montgomery County complex is to be several buildings
interconnected, in a college campus-like setting, on a 530-acre
tract of land -- 530 acres when they could build a beautiful
headquarters on an acre or less.
The fact is, Mr. Speaker, the FDA should be greatly reformed. It
should be greatly downsized. It should stay where it is now.
Perhaps the most phenomenal thing of all is the size of this
project -- 3.4 million square feet -- to house only 6,500
employees. This comes out to approximately 750 square feet per
employee.
Most Members of Congress have approximately 1,000 square feet to
house 9 or 10 employees, or about one-seventh of what the FDA
wants.
Moreover, FDA's current offices and laboratories occupy 2.1
million square feet of office space.
The new FDA complex will be 3.4 million square feet in size. This
is one million, three hundred thousand square feet more than what
they have now -- a 60 percent increase -- at a time when the
Federal Government is supposed to be downsizing.
With a national debt of more than $4.7 trillion, we should not be
spending almost $1 billion to build plush new quarters for FDA
bureaucrats.
The bureaucrats want to live like kings while taxpayers foot the
bill.
I am pleased that today, the Citizens for a Sound Economy came
out strongly against this project.
I know we have a Government that is of, by, and for the
bureaucrats instead of one that is of, by, and for the people,
but, Mr. Speaker, this is one I hope we can win for the
taxpayers.
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[From The Congressional Record -- House, H1031, Feb. 1, 1995]
THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE (Mr. Hastings of Washington):
Under a previous order of the House, the gentlewoman from Ohio
[Ms. Kaptur] is recognized for 5 minutes.
MS. KAPTUR:
Mr. Speaker, I want to compliment the previous speaker, the
gentleman from California [Mr. Hunter], who has been so much a
part of our efforts to really open up international trade and
explain the consequences to people in this country and abroad.
I rise tonight with a rather heavy heart because of the action of
the Clinton administration. Our Government is not a monarchy. We
are a nation of laws and of balance of powers between this
legislative branch, which is the first branch that the
Constitution mentions, and the action, in my opinion, by the
Clinton administration in extending over $47 billion worth of
credit from the taxpayers of this country is outside the
Constitutional boundaries of the executive branch.
Now, Wall Street today and their irresponsible money men are
cheering, because they have essentially been bailed out along
with their 24 billionaire friends in Mexico with this gift
package from the taxpayers of the United States of America with
no vote by Members of this Congress. Wall Street investors have
every reason to be happy. They got their money back from you, the
taxpayers, but the American people should know that they are at
risk, because this deal is backed up by worthless paper
certificates of oil serving as collateral.
Now, why do I say this? Does not oil have value? Under normal
circumstances, it would. But the Mexican Government has long used
its oil over and over, the same oil again, as collateral for
debts they already owe.
Did you know that Mexico has already pledged its oil in the
European bond market, the Euro-bond market, for upwards of $10
billion? The fact is, Mexican oil no longer has any value for use
as collateral on new debt, because it is pledged to old debt, and
Mexico owes anywhere between, on the public debt it owes, between
$160 billion and $200 billion.
It would be almost better for Mexico to pledge jumping beans
rather than to repledge their oil again.
In the *Record* tonight, I have taken out of Moody's Manual a
list of where Mexico's monopoly-owned, state-owned oil company,
Pemex, has already pledged the assets of their oil company.
Suffice it to say, all the administration accomplished by
conditioning new loans, these $47 billion worth of loans from our
taxpayers, on Mexican oil, was to put our taxpayers at the end of
a very long line of creditors to that oil. Even adding up all the
assets and production of Pemex, Mexico does not have enough oil
revenue to cover the $47.5 billion worth of new loans.
In fact, the *Houston Chronicle* reports that Mexico will become
a net oil importer by the turn of the century, because it is
essentially producing half of the oil it produced a decade ago
because of problems inside that oil company.
Now, add to that what Mexico's own officials have said. The
Mexican Secretary of the Treasury said, "Our oil resources are
not going to be used for guarantees." Well, if they are not, what
is backing up the risk to the taxpayers of this country?
And Mexico's Energy Minister was quoted recently, and a direct
quote again, "Our oil will not be mortgaged nor will it form any
part of any loan guarantee."
Now, maybe the United States Ambassador to Mexico cannot read
Spanish, but it is all there in the Mexican newspapers to be read
by anyone.
Basically, my friends, by dodging Congress, our people have been
sold a bill of goods that have no value, by the administration in
collaboration with the Government of Mexico. Now our
administration is scrambling to make this back-door deal look as
legitimate as possible. But the fact remains the so-called
collateral that Mexico is putting up for the $47.5 billion in
loans is worthless and, in fact, experts have estimated the
entire worth of Pemex at somewhere perhaps, if we are lucky,
about $24 billion.
So ask yourself when you read the fine print and they say they
are going to book sales of oil on the Federal Reserve of New
York's books, who is cooking the books? We are not getting
barrels of oil. We are getting pledges of collateral that has
already been overpledged.
And if you really want to get cynical, and I will end with this
statement, is it not interesting that this is not the first time
this has happened? But in fact it happened right after the
[Mexican] Presidential election of 1988, during that period when
they were trying to prop up the value of the Mexican peso. It
happened in 1982, and now they devalued the peso right after the
Mexican election in 1994.
Let the record speak for itself.
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[From The Congressional Record -- House, H1031, Feb. 1, 1995]
THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE (Mr. Hastings of Washington):
Under a previous order of the House, the gentlewoman from Ohio
[Ms. Kaptur] is recognized for 5 minutes.
MS. KAPTUR:
Mr. Speaker, I want to compliment the previous speaker, the
gentleman from California [Mr. Hunter], who has been so much a
part of our efforts to really open up international trade and
explain the consequences to people in this country and abroad.
I rise tonight with a rather heavy heart because of the action of
the Clinton administration. Our Government is not a monarchy. We
are a nation of laws and of balance of powers between this
legislative branch, which is the first branch that the
Constitution mentions, and the action, in my opinion, by the
Clinton administration in extending over $47 billion worth of
credit from the taxpayers of this country is outside the
Constitutional boundaries of the executive branch.
Now, Wall Street today and their irresponsible money men are
cheering, because they have essentially been bailed out along
with their 24 billionaire friends in Mexico with this gift
package from the taxpayers of the United States of America with
no vote by Members of this Congress. Wall Street investors have
every reason to be happy. They got their money back from you, the
taxpayers, but the American people should know that they are at
risk, because this deal is backed up by worthless paper
certificates of oil serving as collateral.
Now, why do I say this? Does not oil have value? Under normal
circumstances, it would. But the Mexican Government has long used
its oil over and over, the same oil again, as collateral for
debts they already owe.
Did you know that Mexico has already pledged its oil in the
European bond market, the Euro-bond market, for upwards of $10
billion? The fact is, Mexican oil no longer has any value for use
as collateral on new debt, because it is pledged to old debt, and
Mexico owes anywhere between, on the public debt it owes, between
$160 billion and $200 billion.
It would be almost better for Mexico to pledge jumping beans
rather than to repledge their oil again.
In the *Record* tonight, I have taken out of Moody's Manual a
list of where Mexico's monopoly-owned, state-owned oil company,
Pemex, has already pledged the assets of their oil company.
Suffice it to say, all the administration accomplished by
conditioning new loans, these $47 billion worth of loans from our
taxpayers, on Mexican oil, was to put our taxpayers at the end of
a very long line of creditors to that oil. Even adding up all the
assets and production of Pemex, Mexico does not have enough oil
revenue to cover the $47.5 billion worth of new loans.
In fact, the *Houston Chronicle* reports that Mexico will become
a net oil importer by the turn of the century, because it is
essentially producing half of the oil it produced a decade ago
because of problems inside that oil company.
Now, add to that what Mexico's own officials have said. The
Mexican Secretary of the Treasury said, "Our oil resources are
not going to be used for guarantees." Well, if they are not, what
is backing up the risk to the taxpayers of this country?
And Mexico's Energy Minister was quoted recently, and a direct
quote again, "Our oil will not be mortgaged nor will it form any
part of any loan guarantee."
Now, maybe the United States Ambassador to Mexico cannot read
Spanish, but it is all there in the Mexican newspapers to be read
by anyone.
Basically, my friends, by dodging Congress, our people have been
sold a bill of goods that have no value, by the administration in
collaboration with the Government of Mexico. Now our
administration is scrambling to make this back-door deal look as
legitimate as possible. But the fact remains the so-called
collateral that Mexico is putting up for the $47.5 billion in
loans is worthless and, in fact, experts have estimated the
entire worth of Pemex at somewhere perhaps, if we are lucky,
about $24 billion.
So ask yourself when you read the fine print and they say they
are going to book sales of oil on the Federal Reserve of New
York's books, who is cooking the books? We are not getting
barrels of oil. We are getting pledges of collateral that has
already been overpledged.
And if you really want to get cynical, and I will end with this
statement, is it not interesting that this is not the first time
this has happened? But in fact it happened right after the
[Mexican] Presidential election of 1988, during that period when
they were trying to prop up the value of the Mexican peso. It
happened in 1982, and now they devalued the peso right after the
Mexican election in 1994.
Let the record speak for itself.
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The Lincoln Conspiracy
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
By David Balsiger and Charles E. Sellier, Jr.
[...continued...]
"On Thursday, April 20, Dandridge Mercer Green stopped sawing a
piece of timber to stare at two men coming toward him. One was a
stranger, the other Green recognized as James William Boyd,
hobbling along on a crutch." Boyd arranged with Green for him and
his companion to be hidden at Green's farm. Boyd and Herold, his
companion, stayed hidden at Green's farm until Sunday, April 23,
when they were able to hire a wagon driven by one Charlie Lucas.
They had the driver take them south toward Port Conway.
Charlie Lucas's father, Willie Lucas, had driven the same wagon
in the same direction earlier that day. What is more, his father
had also carried two men, one of whom also had a hurt leg and
walked with a crutch.
>From Port Conway, Boyd and Herold crossed the Rappahannock to
Port Royal in Caroline County, Virginia. They continued south to
a farm owned by a Mr. Garrett. There, they were met by Mr.
Garrett, whose religion required that he welcome strangers.
Garrett welcomed Boyd and Herold into his home.
"Luther and Andrew Potter's NDP search party reached Culpeper
Court House late that afternoon. They asked about a man with a
crutch... and soon picked up the trail." However, unbeknownst to
them, they had picked up the trail of Boyd and Herold. "Booth and
Henson... moved toward Fredericksburg, well behind the
detectives, who had overrun their quarry."
According to Captain Boyd's Papers, in the Ray A. Neff
Collection, Boyd had a tattoo on his hand that read, "J.W.B."
[B.R. The authors keep throwing in these cryptic statements and
then abandoning them. As I noted before, the style of the book
involves a lot of loose threads that one hopes will eventually
unite.]
Boyd and Herold stayed the night of Monday, April 24, at
Garrett's farm. The next day, Boyd and Herold became panicy when
a troop of Union cavalry thundered past the farm. The suspicions
of Garrett's son, Jack, became aroused and he asked that Boyd and
Herold leave. A compromise was worked out and Boyd and Herold
moved themselves to Garrett's barn.
However, Jack Garrett was still suspicious of the two men.
Fearing that they might try to steal horses from the barn, Jack
Garrett locked them in the barn that night (Tuesday, April 25).
Meanwhile, the troop of cavalry that had frightened Boyd and
Herold arrived in Bowling Green at about midnight. They
interrogated one Willie Jett who they knew had helped to ferry a
man with a hurt leg across the river earlier that day. They went
so far as to threaten to kill Jett unless he told them where the
man was. Jett told them that the man they sought was probably
hiding at the Garrett farm.
The troop of cavalry doubled back and arrived at the Garrett farm
at about 4 a.m. on Wednesday, April 26, 1865. They surrounded the
house and commanded the occupants to come out. When Garrett and
his family complied, they were roughly questioned until they
divulged that Boyd and Herold were still locked in the barn.
Among the federal troops were a Lt. Luther Baker and Lt. Colonel
Everton J. Conger, an aide to NDP chief Lafayette Baker.
Garrett's son Jack was ordered to unlock the barn and to tell the
men inside to come out. Garrett did as he was told, but Boyd
refused to come out. The authors cite a source which claims that
Boyd called out, "Who are you? What do you want? Who do you
want?" The authors assert that no answer was provided to Boyd's
questions. Conger yelled to the men inside that he was going to
set fire to the barn. At this point, David E. Herold agreed to
come out and was taken into custody.
Boyd was steadfast in his refusal to exit from the barn.
According to the authors, Conger went around the side of the barn
and set fire to it. "It caught instantly. He saw the man inside
swing up his rifle toward the flames."
"Conger glanced around. Nobody could see him. He reached for his
revolver and took careful aim. Suddenly the loud crack of a
pistol from the other side of the barn was heard. The man inside
the barn fell forward. [Lt. Luther] Baker rushed in, followed by
young Garrett, and grabbed the prostrate man."
"Conger, Garrett, and Baker dragged Boyd's body away from the
burning barn, across the farm lane, and onto the grass under a
stand of locust trees."
While Boyd lay dying under a stand of locust trees near the
Garrett barn, the fiction that Boyd was really Booth was given
birth. Someone asked, "Who shot Booth?" A Sergeant Boston Corbett
declared that *he* had shot "Booth" through a crack in the barn.
The reason why Corbett would claim that he had shot Booth is
perhaps that he was demented. Corbett was an alcoholic who had
sworn off booze when he had "found God" sometime before the war.
His newfound beliefs were so powerful that in 1858 he had
castrated himself when he was tempted by two prostitutes. Thus,
one could say that Sergeant Boston Corbett was a bit "off." This
may explain why he declared that it was he who shot "Booth."
Conger rode away to the nearest telegraph station so that he
could get the news to Washington that "Booth" had been shot.
"Twenty minutes after Conger left the scene, Boyd was dead. His
body was wrapped in an old saddle blanket."
An old army ambulance was obtained and the body of "Booth" was
placed inside. The driver was ordered to drive the body to Belle
Plain. In Belle Plain, the body was loaded onto the *John S. Ide*
"...and placed under guard until the ship could build up a head
of steam for the trip upriver.
According to the Andrew Potter Papers, it was at this point that
it was discovered that the body was *not* that of John Wilkes
Booth. It was known that Booth had shaved off his mustache while
at Dr. Mudd's, yet the body thought to be that of Booth had a
"long shaggy mustache." What is more, Booth's mustache was black
whereas the mustache on this corpse was red. It became obvious
that the troops had mistaken *Boyd* and Herold for *Booth* and
Herold.
"In Washington that morning, Lafe Baker received a coded cipher
from Conger: 'Booth has been shot to death near Bowling Green.
Herold is a prisoner... Body follows. Conger.'"
"With Booth dead, the secret service [a.k.a. NDP] chief's part in
the Lincoln conspiracy could never come out. Booth couldn't talk.
Herold would keep his mouth shut on pain of death."
Shortly thereafter, Conger's telegram declaring that "Booth" had
been shot began to cause an uproar. The news had been leaked to
the press and the newspapers were spreading it throughout the
city: "John Wilkes Booth, who shot President Lincoln the night of
April 14 in Ford's Theatre, has been killed. His body is being
returned by steamer to Washington. Government authorities this
morning shot Booth while he was trying to escape from a farmer's
barn near Bowling Green."
But of course it was not Booth but Boyd who had been shot dead.
"Lt. Doherty, Luther Baker, and Lt. Col. Conger picked up
*Boyd's* trail and followed him to Garrett's farm. No one there
had ever seen Booth. Boyd was shot because they thought he was
Booth. [My emphasis, B.R.]" And, after the false news of Booth's
death had been spread far and wide, Baker found this out. The
problem was augmented by the fact that Herold was still alive,
knew Booth well, and was beginning to tell whoever would listen
that Booth had not been shot at Garrett's farm.
When Stanton learned of the situation, he ordered that Herold be
stopped from talking immediately. To accomplish this, he
commanded that Herold be isolated from the other prisoners.
According to the Andrew Potter Papers, after Stanton had given
things some thought he hit upon the idea of letting the country
continue to believe that it was Booth who had been shot dead at
Garrett's farm. "Booth will be forgotten if we continue to let
the nation believe he's dead. If we admit that we killed Boyd by
mistake, and continue the hunt for Booth, he might be captured
alive." And if Booth were captured alive, then he might tell all
that he knew.
On Thursday, April 27, Stanton received a telegram informing him
that the remains of "Booth" had been placed aboard the Union
ironclad *Montauk*. He was also told that the body of "Booth" was
decomposing rapidly.
Stanton immediately ordered that no persons were to be allowed
aboard the *Montauk* "...unless under the joint pass of the
Secretary of War and Secretary of the Navy."
An Identification Commission was formed, headed by Stanton's
aide, Thomas Eckert. "The mock inquest would formally identify
Boyd's body as that of Booth."
"Witnesses summoned aboard the *Montauk* had one lack in common:
none knew Booth well. None of Booth's relatives or accused
conspirators were called, although most were in custody on the
adjacent [Union ironclad] *Saugus*."
"None of the witnesses were surprised that the face had a
mustache, since apparently none had been told that Booth had
shaved off his mustache at Dr. Mudd's [on April 16th]."
A summons was sent to a Dr. John Franklin May by the "inquest."
Because some time earlier Dr. May had treated a man calling
himself Booth for a neck tumor, he was ordered to come to the
*Montauk* to help identify the body.
Dr. May informed the "inquest" that he had treated someone
claiming to be Booth about 18 to 24 months previous. When Dr. May
first viewed the corpse, his immediate reaction was, "There's no
resemblance in that corpse to Booth, nor can I believe it to be
him." Sensing perhaps that this was the wrong thing to say, Dr.
May then asked if there was a scar on the back of the neck. Dr.
May then described what the scar would look like if it were
present. The Surgeon General, who was also in attendance,
immediately declared that Dr. May had described the scar as well
as if he were looking at it.
"In Dr. May's verbal and written statement, there is no mention
that he actually examined the scar for positive identification,
and the bullet, of course, had made a bloody mess of Boyd's
neck." Dr. May finally stated to the "inquest" that, "I am
enabled, imperfectly, to recognize the features of Booth."
When asked if he recognized the body as Booth's, Dr. May replied,
"I do recognize it, although it is very much altered since I saw
Booth. It seems much older and in appearance, much more freckled
than he was. I do not recollect that he was at all freckled."
"Booth was 28, famous for his ivory, perfect skin, free of
blemish. Boyd, on the other hand, was 43, with reddish-sandy hair
and a tendency to freckle."
In the official transcript of the proceedings, "The next half
dozen words of Dr. May's reply were carefully inked out... [and
new words] were added."
Dr. May was dismissed and returned home. He immediately penned a
statement in which he declared, "Never in a human being had a
greater change taken place from the man whom I had seen in the
vigor of life and health than that of the haggard corpse which
was before me... The *right* limb was greatly contused and
perfectly black from a fracture of one of the long bones of the
leg."
But Booth had snapped the *left* tibia, about two inches above
the ankle. "Dr. Mudd's formal statement on April 21, 1865 read,
'On examination, I found there was a straight fracture of the
tibia about two inches above the ankle.'"
Before the body was disposed of, a photographer named Alexander
Gardner was brought in and told to take only *one* picture. After
doing so, Gardner was escorted to a darkroom by a War Department
detective who had orders not to leave Gardner's side until the
plate was developed. When the plate was developed, the War
Department detective took possession of both the negative and the
positive. "It would be impossible for anyone else to duplicate
the picture."
NDP chief Lafayette Baker confiscated the picture and the plate.
"The government officially denied that any picture had been taken
of the corpse. But the Gardner photograph later ended up in the
personal possession of Secretary of War Stanton."
"Booth's" body, which was in reality Boyd's body, was placed in a
rowboat. Lafayette Baker and his cousin, Luther Baker, rowed out
to the old Arsenal Penitentiary. The body was carried to a
convict's cell in which, beneath a stone slab, a grave had been
dug. The corpse was lowered into the grave, the stone slab was
replaced, and Lafayette and Luther Baker got back in their
rowboat and departed. The Arsenal Prison became the sepulchre
"...for the mortal remains of the man who had become 'John Wilkes
Booth.'"
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
{ Sources used for this section include, but are not limited }
{ to the following: }
{ }
{ Andrew Potter Papers. Ray A. Neff Collection, Marshall, IL }
{ }
{ Captain Boyd Papers. Ray A. Neff Collection. }
{ }
{ Colonel Lafayette C. Baker's memo-letter to Edwin Stanton, }
{ April, 1865. In the private collection of Stanton }
{ descendants. Released in 1976 through an interview with }
{ Americana appraiser, Joseph Lynch. }
{ }
{ Eisenschiml, Otto, *In the Shadow of Lincoln's Death* }
{ (Wilfred Funk, Inc., New York, 1940) }
{ }
{ Luther Baker Speech delivered in 1932 at Lansing, Michigan. }
{ Richard D. Mudd Collection. }
{ }
{ Oldroyd, Osborn H., *The Assassination of Abraham Lincoln: }
{ Flight, Pursuit, Capture and Punishment of the }
{ Conspirators* (Privately Published, Washington, D.C., 1901) }
{ }
{ Peterson, T.B., *The Trial of the Assassins and Conspirators* }
{ (T.B. Peterson and Brothers, Philadelphia, 1865) }
{ }
{ Pitman, Benn, *The Assassination of Abraham Lincoln and the }
{ Trial of the Conspirators* (Funk & Wagnalls, New York, }
{ 1954) }
{ }
{ Roscoe, Theodore, *The Web of Conspiracy*, (Prentice-Hall, }
{ Englewood Cliffs, NJ, 1959) }
{ }
{ Unpublished Voluntary Statement of Dandridge Mercer Green, }
{ April 30, 1865, National Archives, Ray A. Neff Collection. }
{ }
{ Weichmann, Louis J., *A True History of the Assassination of }
{ Abraham Lincoln and of the Conspiracy of 1865*, ed. Floyd }
{ E. Risvold, (Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1975) }
{ }
{ The Wilhelmina Titus (grandaughter of Capt. James William }
{ Boyd) monograph. Ray A. Neff Collection. }
[...to be continued...]
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The Lincoln Conspiracy
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By David Balsiger and Charles E. Sellier, Jr.
[...continued...]
In the Spring of 1865, the legality of military court martials
for civilians was a case then pending before the U.S. Supreme
Court. "It was apparent to Stanton and the other government
officials in the cover-up that they must rush the military trial
of the accused Booth conspirators before the high court ruled,
for the judges seemed certain... to declare military tribunals
illegal for civilians when civil courts were functioning [as they
then were]." It was fairly obvious that constitutional guarantees
of trial by jury would force such a ruling.
Accordingly, the government rushed to announce the formation of a
special "Court of Military Justice" that would decide the fate of
the accused Booth conspirators. "Bias was evident." A witticism
of the time was that "The Court of Military Injustice has been
organized to convict."
The defendants in the case faced several disadvantages. They were
unable, at first, to obtain lawyers to represent them. There was
no higher court to which they could appeal. All the prisoners
were denied the most basic sanitary needs. "Technically, the
prisoners were allowed visitors. Actually, they were denied even
religious counselors... To see a prisoner, a pass had to be
signed by [both] Stanton and Secretary of the Navy Welles. There
were no visitors."
On April 23rd, jailers received the following instructions from
Stanton: "The Secretary of War requests that the prisoners on
board the ironclads belonging to this department, for better
security against conversation, shall have a canvas bag put over
the head of each and tied about the neck, with a hole for proper
breathing and eating, but not seeing..."
"The bags were padded with one inch thick cotton. A ball of extra
cotton padding covered the prisoners' eyes to cause painful
pressure on the closed eye lids. Sight and sound were cut off, a
mental torture that never ceased for the devices were to be worn
24 hours a day."
Dr. George Loring Porter, prison physician, complained to Stanton
that "The constant pressure of those thickly padded hoods may
induce insanity." [B.R. This seems to me like a type of constant
sensory deprivation was being imposed on these civilian
prisoners.]
Two of the prisoners turned state's evidence to save their lives.
A detective who had been placed in the cell of a Louis Weichmann
"...wrote out a statement that he claimed Weichmann had made in
his sleep." Weichmann was ordered to sign the statement, "...or
face prosecution as one of the conspirators."
"A Col. Foster demanded that John Lloyd -- Mrs. Surratt's drunken
tenant at Surrattsville -- make a statement." This is the same
Mr. Lloyd who earlier had been denied liquor and hung by his
thumbs for 48 hours until he had given a previous "statement."
Col. Foster gave the new "statement" to Lloyd and demanded that
he sign it, explaining that the first statement was not "full
enough."
Several witnesses with unsavory backgrounds were paid for
offering pre-arranged testimony. For example, "Sanford Conover...
was to claim he was a newspaper correspondent for the New York
*Tribune* and had... learned of plots to burn certain Northern
cities, to poison municipal water supplies, and to spread yellow
fever in the North by use of 'infected clothing.'"
In a letter from Judge Advocate General Joseph Holt to Secretary
of War Stanton, he states that each of the commission members
believes the conspirators "are guilty beyond doubt." He further
states, however, that the commission members feel that a trial is
necessary so as to "follow the military method of hearing the
evidence and following the code." But the Judge Advocate General
assures Stanton that "the commission will not allow the
conspirators' attorneys to impeach the testimony of [stooge
witnesses] Conover, Merritt, or Montgomery in any manner
whatever."
NDP chief Lafayette Baker assigned Lt. Col. Everton Conger to get
statements from the various participants in the chase that had
ended in Boyd's death. On May 2, 1865, Conger wrote to NDP chief
Baker "I have directed each detective, officer and private
soldier who took part in the pursuit, capture and death of Wilkes
Booth [really Boyd] to prepare a written statement concerning
those events and to submit the statements to myself... Some of
the statements upon receipt I found wanting. I found it necessary
to add to the narrative in some statements and to rewrite
others."
Around this time NDP chief Baker also assigned Luther and Andrew
Potter to renew their chase after John Wilkes Booth. Although by
this time the trail had "gone cold," the Potter brothers were
fortunate and picked up on a fresh trail at Orange Court House.
>From there they pushed on toward Stanardsville where Booth,
Henson, and Booth's valet had all spent the night in a barn. "The
detectives followed Booth's trail to Lydia where a widow told
them the men had spent the night of Saturday, April 29, at her
place." Unfortunately, from there the trail vanished.
"The preliminary proceedings of the trial began May 8, 1865, when
official charges... were delivered to eight defendants: Herold,
Atzerodt, Payne, Spangler, O'Laughlin, Arnold, Mrs. Surratt, and
Dr. Mudd."
The defendants were to be tried by court martial. According to
then Attorney General James Speed, the legal justification for
the trial of these civilians by a military court was based on
what began to be called "the Laws of War." Former Attorney
General Edward Bates noted, "There is no such thing as the Laws
of War." Yet American citizens were to be judged by this
unwritten code. The authors declare that this "Common Law of War"
was nothing more than a pretext "...for trampling upon every
constitutional guarantee... of the citizen. There is no invention
too monstrous, no punishment too cruel... [that cannot] find
authority and sanction in such a common law."
[B.R. And of course, as noted previously, the war was already
over.]
At 10 a.m. on the morning of Tuesday, May 9, the eight prisoners
were led into the court and asked if they wished to employ
counsel. All eight defendants replied that they wished to be
represented by counsel. They were given until 10 a.m. the
following morning to obtain the services of an attorney.
"At 10 a.m. on Wednesday morning, May 10, the trial officially
began. The defendants had had only two days' notice of the
charges against them. The prosecution had been preparing its case
for weeks. Not all the prisoners had been able to obtain
counsel."
That morning, the prisoners were officially arraigned and the
charges of "treason and murder" were read against them. All eight
entered a plea of "not guilty." The defendants were told that
they had the right to an attorney, "...but they must supply such
counsel; the government would not." When asked, many lawyers
refused to represent the accused.
Because the defendants obtained counsel and became acquainted
with the charges at the last minute (or, in the case of Edward
Spangler, not until three days into the trial), "In each case,
arguments for the defense had to be formulated on the spot."
After weeks of cramped confinement in the humid courtroom, the
testimony concluded on June 28. "The military commission met in
secret session to deliberate on the testimony."
As people had time to reflect on the use of court martial for
civilians, reaction against it began to grow. "Orville H.
Browning, former Illinois senator and Lincoln's very close
friend, declared: 'This commission is without authority, and its
proceedings void. The execution of these persons will be murder.'"
There was also some curiousity about the backgrounds of some of
the government's stooge witnesses. "It would be some time before
the truth came out... [that one of the witnesses was] a New York
burglar with a long police record... and that Conover, alias
James Watson Wallace, was a Charles Dunham who had secretly
coached government witnesses on fictitious testimony for which
they were paid. Conover would later go to prison for perjury."
On June 30th the tribunal reached a verdict. The official court
record stated, "David E. Herold, Lewis Payne, Mrs. Surratt and
George A. Atzerodt are to be hung tomorrow by proper military
authorities. Dr. Mudd, Arnold and O'Laughlin are to be imprisoned
for life, and Spangler for six years, all at hard labor, in the
Albany Penitentiary."
Outside the prison walls, a crowd of citizens responded to the
verdict of the military tribunal with angry shouts of "judicial
murder."
On Friday, July 7, David E. Herold, Lewis Payne, Mrs. Surratt and
George A. Atzerodt were scheduled to be hung shortly after 1 p.m.
The day was hot and humid. As 1 p.m. approached, Mrs. Surratt was
helped to her feet from the chair she had been allowed to sit in
just outside her cell. She called to her priest, a Rev. Walter.
Her final words to the priest were, "I am innocent." The Rev.
Walter later declared, "They were the last confession of an
innocent woman."
The prisoners climbed the traditional 13 steps of the scaffold.
Four ropes were adjusted about the four necks. At the command of
a Col. Rath, the supporting timbers "...moved forward. A dull
thump -- wood sounded against wood. The two support posts fell
away. The double traps overhead swung downward."
"It was 1:26 p.m., one of the darkest moments in American
history."
"Before Mrs. Surratt's body was removed from the gallows, people
outside the prison were chanting, 'Judicial murder!'"
The remaining four "conspirators," Dr. Samuel Mudd, Samuel
Arnold, Michael O'Laughlin, and Edward Spangler, had a
reassignment of prison. Because NDP chief Baker, Stanton and
others feared that these remaining prisoners might yet be
pardoned or allowed to talk in the Albany penitentiary, they were
now ordered to be confined at hard labor in the military prison
at Dry Tortugas, Florida.
"Secretary of the Navy Welles said Stanton had persuaded
[President Andrew] Johnson to move the prisoners that far away
where mosquitos and fever were likely to silence the four."
The remaining prisoners were accordingly transferred to the
prison at Dry Tortugas. After they had been there awhile,
"Smallpox spread through the prison, and the victims were placed
close to the dungeon shared by Dr. Mudd, Spangler, Arnold, and
O'Laughlin. Arnold wrote, 'It was done for the express purpose of
innoculating us with this fearful and loathesome malady.'"
NDP chief Lafayette Baker and the Potter brothers remained on the
trail of the real John Wilkes Booth, who they knew to be alive.
On May 2nd, they picked up Booth's trail in Lydia. A boy led them
to a cave where Booth, Henson, and Booth's valet Henry Johnson
had hid. From there, they followed Booth to Linville. In
Linville, a farmer named Louis Pence recognized a picture of
Booth as being that of one of three men who had stayed overnight
at his farm. The farmer said that he had taken the three to
Harper's Ferry. Baker and the Potter brothers guessed that Booth
must be heading for his farm at Harper's Ferry, West Virginia.
But Booth was not at his farm and the trail turned cold. Baker
and the Potter brothers returned to Washington.
Shortly after the trial of the "conspirators," a key witness,
"...Louis Weichmann unburdened himself to John P. Brophy, a
professor at Gonzaga college... Brophy signed an affidavit, which
he took to the White House to seek perjury charges against
Weichmann." Brophy was barred from seeing the President, so he
next went to a newspaper. "But the editor refused to print the
professor's affidavit on the grounds it was 'too strong.'"
About this time, a House Judiciary Committee was formed. "Andrew
J. Rogers, Congressman from New Jersey, filed a minority report
of the Select Committee on the Assassination of Lincoln." Among
the points made by the minority report of the Select Committee
were that
*** "...the majority of the committee determined to throw in my
way every possible impediment... Papers were put away from me,
locked in boxes, hidden; and when I asked to see them, I was
told... I could not."
*** "Secrecy has surrounded and shrouded, not to say protected,
every step of these examinations, and even in the committee room
I seemed to be acting with a sort of secret council of
inquisition."
*** "There are two reports on this trial. One approved by...
[Judge Advocate] Holt... and [the other] the Associated Press
report." Rogers charged that the official court record of the
assassination trial had been substantially "doctored" by Judge
Advocate Holt.
By February of 1866, Lafayette Baker and Stanton had had a
falling out and Baker was discharged from the U.S. Army and also
from the NDP (i.e. Secret Service). In 1867, Baker published a
book entitled "History of the U.S. Secret Service." In the book,
Baker "...told about delivering Booth's diary to Stanton. The
disclosure created a storm in the Congress. Why had it been kept
secret? Why hadn't it been mentioned at the conspiracy trial of
1865?"
The diary was recovered from the War Department. However, a new
sensation was caused when it was discovered that 18 pages of the
Booth diary were missing. Former NDP chief Lafayette Baker
exploded, "Who spoliated that book?" Baker later testified that
"...In my opinion, there have been leaves torn out of that book
since I saw it." (i.e. since he delivered the book to Stanton in
1865).
Why were pages torn out of Booth's diary? "The answer was that
one or more persons didn't want those missing papers made public.
The missing pages were not destroyed, although it would take more
than a century before they would be discovered."
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"If among those drawn into the whirlpool set up by so sudden a
subversion of the current of human affairs, there were any
suffered an unjust doom, their innocence should be made clear
beyond question."
-- David Miller Dewitt
*The Assassination of Abraham Lincoln and its
Expiation*
"Historians, in developing the story of Lincoln's
assassination, have encountered [baffling facts]. Why did General
Grant suddenly alter his plans and decide not to go to Ford's
Theater on the evening of Lincoln's assassination? Who, during
that same night, tampered with the telegraph wires leading out of
Washington? Why was the President's bodyguard at the playhouse,
guilty of the grossest negligence, not punished nor even
questioned?"
"Perhaps the most serious reproach against historical writers
is not that they have left such questions unanswered, but that
they have failed to ask them."
-- Otto Eisenschiml
*Why Was Lincoln Murdered?*
"The history of the controversial Conspiracy Trial of 1865 as
most Americans know it is a textbook version pared down to a
digestible nubbin. For history... has to be reduced to a fairly
simple story which average students can understand and recite."
"[The] basic account, with some modifications, is the same one
the engineers of the Conspiracy Trial set out to promulgate. In a
way their success in planting [their version] on the pages of
American history was a triumph in propaganda. For even before the
trial began, the first gusts of a storm of protest were shaking
the legend."
-- Vaughan Shelton
*Mask for Treason: The Lincoln Murder Trial*
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"Many of the people who played roles in the Lincoln
assassination, the conspiracy, and cover-up suffered ironic
twists in their own lives."
"Col. Lafayette Baker threatened to expose those involved in the
plot against Lincoln and attempts were made on his life to
silence him." Eventually, Baker was killed. He died on July 3,
1868. By chemical analysis of a lock of Baker's hair, it has been
shown that Baker was slowly killed by arsenic poisoning.
After the assassination of her husband, Mrs. Lincoln was in an
extreme state of hysteria. She moved to Chicago with her son,
Tad, and went into seclusion. In July of 1871, Tad became ill and
died suddenly of "dropsy of the chest." Mrs. Lincoln's mental
state deteriorated and she began to have "hallucinations" of
being followed and feared for her life. Her remaining son,
Robert, had her committed to an insane asylum. She was released
after four months and moved to Europe. "In 1879, she suffered an
accidental fall and returned to the States an invalid. She moved
to Springfield to live. There she shut herself away in a darkened
room, preferring candlelight to sunlight." Mrs. Lincoln died in
July of 1882.
"Tragedy struck Maj. Henry Rathbone and Clara Harris [both with
Lincoln at the moment of his assassination], who were married,
had a family, and took up residence in Germany. Two nights before
Christmas in 1883, Rathbone attempted to kill his children. When
a nurse tried to intervene, he instead shot his wife to death and
stabbed himself. Doctors saved his life, but he spent the rest of
his years in a German asylum."
Sergeant Boston Corbett, the man who "admitted" that it was he
who shot Booth, was a celebrity known throughout the country as
"the man who shot Booth." In 1887, he obtained a job as doorman
to the Kansas State Legislature. "One morning after the roll
call, he appeared with revolvers in each hand and opened fire on
the legislators..." He was committed to an insane asylum in
Topeka, Kansas, but later escaped. From there he went to Texas
and disappeared from public view.
Booth, Henson, and Henry Johnson (Booth's valet) spent several
months on Booth's farm at Harpers Ferry. About November of 1865,
they went to Pennsylvania, "where Booth reunited with former
girlfriend Kate Scott, who was expecting Booth's child within a
month." Kate Scott later signed a sworn affidavit that Booth was
alive after the shooting at Garrett's farm and that he had
visited her in Pennsylvania.
>From Pennsylvania, the trio of Booth, Henson, and Johnson moved
on to New York City. It is known that Booth went from there to
Canada and later to England, where he married an Elizabeth
Marshall Burnley and changed his name to John Byron Wilkes.
"Reports have him staying in England for some time, then going to
India, where, some say, he died." But other reports say that he
went on from India to California. "Another report claims that a
man who died in 1900 in Enid, Oklahoma, on his deathbed stated he
was John Wilkes Booth. This man was never buried. His body was
mummified and still exists today [1977]."
Michael O'Laughlin died of yellow fever at the prison at Dry
Tortugas, Florida. The efforts of Dr. Samuel Mudd to combat the
epidemic of yellow fever at the prison eventually helped win the
doctor a pardon in February of 1869. "Samuel Arnold and Ned
Spangler were also released from the Dry Tortugas prison.
Spangler, who was dying of tuberculosis, went home with Dr. Mudd,
who cared for him until he died. Dr. Mudd died of pneumonia 18
years after Lincoln's assassination, while Arnold lived to old
age."
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{ Sources used for this section include, but are not limited }
{ to the following: }
{ }
{ Andrew Potter Papers, Ray A. Neff Collection, Marshall, IL }
{ }
{ Bishop, Jim, *The Day Lincoln Was Shot* (Harper & Brothers, }
{ New York, 1955) }
{ }
{ Col. Everton Conger's Letter to Col. Lafayette C. Baker, }
{ May 2, 1865. In the private collection of Stanton }
{ descendants. Released in 1976 through the efforts of }
{ Americana appraiser Joseph Lynch. }
{ }
{ Col. Lafayette Baker's Letter to Edwin Stanton, undated. In }
{ the private collection of Stanton descendants. Released in }
{ 1976 through the efforts of Americana appraiser, Joseph }
{ Lynch. }
{ }
{ DeWitt, David M., *The Judicial Murder of Mary E. Surratt* }
{ (J. Murphy & Co., Baltimore, 1895) }
{ }
{ Eisenschiml, Otto, *Why Was Lincoln Murdered?* (Little, }
{ Brown and Co., Boston, 1937) }
{ }
{ Eisenschiml, Otto, *In the Shadow of Lincoln's Death* }
{ (Wilfred Funk, Inc., New York, 1940) }
{ }
{ Judge Advocate General Joseph Holt's Letter to Secretary of }
{ War Edwin M. Stanton, undated. In the private collection of }
{ Stanton descendants. Released in 1976 through the efforts }
{ of Americana appraiser Joseph Lynch. }
{ }
{ Kate Scott Affidavit. Ray A. Neff Collection. }
{ }
{ Kauffman, Michael W., *Report to the President on the Case }
{ of Dr. Samuel A. Mudd., M.D.* Richard A. Mudd Collection }
{ }
{ Kunhardt, Dorothy Meserve and Kunhardt, Philip B., *Twenty }
{ Days* (Harper & Row, New York, 1965) }
{ }
{ Mrs. Lafayette Baker's Diary for 1868. Ray A. Neff }
{ Collection, Marshall, IL }
{ }
{ Poore, Ben Perley, *The Conspiracy Trial for the Murder of }
{ the President* (J.E. Tilton Co., Boston, 1865) }
{ }
{ Report Relating to the Assassination of President Lincoln, }
{ House Reports, No. 104, 39th Congress, 1st Session, Vol. 1, }
{ July 1866 }
{ }
{ Shelton, Vaughan, *Mask for Treason: The Lincoln Murder }
{ Trial* (Stackpole Books, Harrisburg, PA, 1965) }
{ }
{ Unpublished interview with Mrs. E.W. Nelson (David Herold's }
{ sister) of Denver, Colorado, Aug. 22, 1873. Ray A. Neff }
{ Corporation. }
{ }
{ Unpublished Voluntary Statement of Michael O'Laughlin, Apr. }
{ 27, 1865, originally in the Benn Pitman Collection, }
{ Cincinnati, OH Ray A. Neff Collection. }
{ }
{ Weichmann, Louis J., *A True History of the Assassination of }
{ Abraham Lincoln and of the Conspiracy of 1865*, ed. Floyd }
{ E. Risvold, (Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1975) }
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To my knowledge, the book *The Lincoln Conspiracy* is no longer
in print. A movie was made based on this book and released by (I
think) Sunn Pictures -- I don't know if the movie is still being
distributed.
It seems to me that the history of the united States took a
drastic wrong turn after the Lincoln assassination. I think we
have yet to get back on the road we *were* on. It is my hope that
bringing to light the true facts regarding the assassination will
be a first step in this process. To that end, I encourage you to
distribute all parts of this series as widely as possible.
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NEW MUSEUM RAISES QUESTIONS ABOUT HISTORIC ASSASSINATIONS
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[From *The Dallas Morning News*, Jan. 24, 1995, pp. 13A, 20A]
By John Yearwood
As history tells us, Union soldiers tracked John Wilkes Booth to
a Virginia farm and shot him days after he assassinated President
Abraham Lincoln.
Or did they?
And how about Lee Harvey Oswald? Still don't think he was the
lone gunman who shot President John F. Kennedy?
According to scenarios touted at the new Conspiracy Museum in
downtown Dallas, the real Booth survived long after the
assassination, and Oswald "died in an heroic attempt to save his
president's life."
What's a person to believe?
That's up to you, according to Tom Bowden, the museum's
president.
"We want people to think. We want them to realize that there are
other sides to the story," said Mr. Bowden, former executive
director of the Texas Theatre Historical Society.
"If you think there are other sides to the story, here's the
place to look and listen."
Those "other sides" frequently aren't backed up with facts,
critics say.
"Some people will never believe that Booth was killed in 1865,"
National Park Service historian Michael Maione told *The Dallas
Morning News* last fall. "I'm sorry, but they do not offer
anything that is historically concrete."
The new museum -- a stone's throw from the Kennedy Memorial and
about three blocks from The Sixth Floor Exhibit -- explores
almost two dozen alleged conspiracies involving everything from
presidential assassinations to international incidents to
political scandals.
The museum opened last week in the Katy Building at 110 S. Market
St., although it's only about two-thirds completed. Two key
exhibits are still under construction, one of which will be
finished in time for the museum's official opening Feb. 15.
The museum is open from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. Tuesday through Sunday.
Admission is $7 for adults, $6 for senior citizens and $4 for
children.
Until the exhibits are completed, visitors are directed to six
kiosks with touch screens in the basement of the building. Topics
examined include the Bay of Pigs invasion, Watergate and the
shooting down of a spy plane by the Soviets in 1960.
Three-minute sound bites explore presidential assassinations and
attempted assassinations -- and the "patsies" accused of
committing those crimes.
The most notable examination, naturally, is that of the Kennedy
assassination. It traces the life of Oswald and the release of
the Warren Commission report.
"You must never forget that the Warren Report is a lie!" a voice
booms through the television in Kiosk No. 3.
It goes on to "reveal" that Oswald, who was shot and killed after
the assassination, was not really Oswald at all, but an imposter
named Alek Hidell.
The imposter was later killed because he knew too much, the voice
says.
The video exhibit examines several other shootings, including the
killing of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. and the wounding of
President Ronald Reagan. James Earl Ray and John Hinckley were
set up, the voice says.
But things get murky when it comes to the real question: Who done
it?
Mr. Bowden said the video exhibit was based on the work of long-
time assassination researcher R.B. Cutler, who edits the *Grassy
Knoll Gazette*, a newsletter published in Manchester, Mass.
The two men blame many of the conspiracies on the "Powerful War
Machine," repeatedly referred to as PWM.
Mr. Bowden describes the PWM as "people intent on controlling the
White House -- both political and business." When the museum is
complete, four vultures in the lobby will represent the PWM, he
said.
Mr. Cutler, who has been studying the JFK assassination since
1966, wasn't much more specific. He said the PWM is composed of
bureaucrats in intelligence agencies.
"I hope people get the idea that what happened in Dallas was a
coup d'etat by the government in Washington," said Mr. Cutler,
who plans to spend Feb. 1 answering questions at the museum. "The
people who did that are still in charge."
The JFK exhibit, which will be finished in time for the museum's
official opening, is surrounded by a mural of Japanese brush
strokes and symbols from the Orient to illustrate the various
alleged conspiracies. Dallas artist Brandy Redd-Smith said she
spent six weeks painting the mural, which extends 109 feet along
the wall.
"I wanted it to be a peaceful environment from which to
contemplate those horrible assassinations," she said.
The Japanese theme is used in each television presentation, which
ends with the word *ahimsa*. The word roughly translates as "the
truth shall set you free," museum officials said.
Mr. Bowden said he was pleased with the reaction to the museum.
More than 140 people toured the facility last week, although it
has gotten little publicity, he said.
Paula Stoliar of Buenos Aires visited the museum with two friends
from Argentina. Ms. Stoliar said she has long believed that
Oswald was falsely accused.
After the tour, she said she was more convinced than ever that
Oswald was a "patsy."
"I didn't know too much about the story," said Ms. Stoliar, 21.
"Now it has become clearer."
The second major exhibit to greet visitors as they walk into the
building will be titled "Myth and Mummy," about the Lincoln
assassination.
Scheduled to open May 18, it will trace the whereabouts of Booth
after the president was shot. Mr. Bowden said there is strong
evidence that Booth was not the man Union troops hunted and shot
12 days after the assassination.
"I have a lot of information from people who swear that John
Wilkes Booth was alive long after the assassination and died at a
hotel in Oklahoma," Mr. Bowden said. "This is interesting stuff."
Mr. Bowden said visitors will be asked whether they believe that
Booth escaped, and the results will be mailed to Booth's
relatives, who have asked a Baltimore judge to exhume his corpse.
"We are going to present the exhibit," Mr. Bowden said. "People
can say yea or nay."
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ESCAPE AND SUICIDE OF JOHN WILKES BOOTH
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The following, based largely on information to be found in the
book *Escape and Suicide of John Wilkes Booth*, by attorney Finis
L. Bates of Memphis, Tennessee (Memphis: Pilcher Printing Co.,
1907), was originally posted in Conspiracy for the Day, December
14 and 15, 1993.
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I have long hesitated to give to the world the true story of the
plot first to kidnap and finally assassinate President Lincoln by
John Wilkes Booth and others, as related to me in 1872, and at
other times thereafter, by one then known to me as John St.
Helen, but in truth and in fact, as afterward developed, John
Wilkes Booth himself, in person telling this story more than
seven years after the assassination of President Lincoln, and the
supposed killing of Booth at the Garret home, in Virginia. Far
removed from the scene of his crime, he told me the tale of his
dastardly deed at Grandberry, Hood county, Texas, a then
comparative frontier town of the great Western empire of these
American States.
This story I could not accept as fact without investigation,
believing, as the world believed, that John Wilkes Booth had been
killed at the Garret home in Virginia on or about the 26th day of
April, 1865, by one Boston Corbett, connected with the Federal
troops in pursuit of him, after he (Booth) had been passed
through the Federal military lines which formed a complete cordon
surrounding the city of Washington, D.C., on the night of and
after the assassination of President Lincoln. But after many
years of painstaking and exhaustive investigation, I am now
unwillingly, and yet unanswerably, convinced that it is a fact
that Booth was not killed, but made good his escape by the
assistance of some of the officers of the Federal Army and
government of the United States, located at Washington --
traitors to President Lincoln, in whose keeping was his life --
co-operating with Capt. Jett and Lieuts. Ruggles and Bainbridge,
of the Confederate troops, belonging to the command of Col. J.S.
Mosby, encamped at Bowling Green, Virginia. And the correctness
of these statements, as well as to my convictions, the readers of
this story must witness for or against the conclusion reached,
for it is to the American people that I appeal that they shall
hear the unalterable facts to the end that they may bear
testimony with me to the civilized world that the death of
America's martyred President, Lincoln, was not avenged, as we
have been persuaded to believe, and that it remained the pleasure
of the assassin to take his own life as how and when it best
pleased him, conscious of his great individual crime and the
nation's loss by the death of President Lincoln, the commission
of which crime takes rank among the epochs of time equaled only
by the crucifixion of Christ and the assassination of Caesar; in
the contemplation of which the physical man chills with indignant
emotions and the cold blood coursing his viens [sic] makes numb
the fingers recording the crime that laid President Lincoln in
the silent halls of death and made Tad fatherless. But the truth
will be told, if needs be, with tremors and palsied hands, in the
triumph of right and the exposure of the guilty ones whose crimes
blacken history's page and to associate their names through all
coming centuries with Brutus, Marc Antony and Judas Iscariot, if
they are to be condemned in the story that is to be told.
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Author Finis L. Bates (see part 1 of today's CfD) relates in his
book how he notified what was then still known as the War
Department (now known as the "Defense" Department) as to his
knowledge that John Wilkes Booth might still be alive. Bear in
mind that the government had never paid the thousands of dollars
in reward money for the capture of Booth. The government had
maintained that there had never been an absolutely positive ID of
the person shot at the Garret home in 1865, purportedly John
Wilkes Booth. What follows is the correspondence between Bates
and the War Department.
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Law Office of F.L. Bates
297 Second Street
Memphis, Tenn., January 17th, 1898.
Secretary of War, Washington, D.C.
Dear Sir:
Would it be a matter of any importance to develop the fact to the
War Department of the United States that John Wilkes Booth, the
assassin of President Lincoln, was not captured and killed by the
Federal troops, as is supposed?
By accident I have been placed in possession of such facts as are
conclusive that John Wilkes Booth now lives, and have kept the
matter from publication until I have communicated with the War
Department of this government. Very truly yours, F.L. Bates
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[Bates notes "In reply the following endorsements were made on
this letter and returned to me, viz.:"]
[First endorsement]
Office of the Secretary of War Department
January 19th, 1898
(294) Memphis, Tenn., Jan. 17th, 1898.
F.L. Bates says that he is in possession of such facts as are
conuclusive [sic] that John Wilkes Booth was not captured and
killed by the Federal troops, and asks if War Department would
consider the matter of enough importance to develop that fact.
JUDGE ADVOCATE GENERAL
[Second endorsement]
(3808) War Department
Judge Advocate General's Office
Washington, D.C.
January 21st, 1898.
Respectfully returned to the Secretary of War.
This is a request by F.L. Bates, of Memphis, Tenn., for
imformation as to whether it would be a matter of importance to
develop the fact to the War Department that John Wilkes Booth was
not captured and killed by the Federal troops.
He says that by accident he has recently been placed in
possession of such facts as are conclusive.
It is recommended that he be informed that the matter is of no
importance to the War Department.
(Signed) G. NORMAN LIEBER
Judge Advocate General
Received back War Department January 22d, 1898.
(294) Assistant Secretary (L.S.S.)
[Third endorsement]
War Department
January 25th, 1898.
Respectfully returned to Mr. F.L. Bates, No. 272 Second
street, Memphis, Tenn., inviting attention to the foregoing
report of the Judge Advocate General of the Army.
(Signed) G.D. MICKLEJOHN
Acting Secretary of War
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"The Wave" is and/or was an Oklahoma newspaper circa 1903. The
following are clippings from "The Wave" taken from *Escape and
Suicide of John Wilkes Booth*, by Finis L. Bates. [Memphis:
Pilcher Printing Company, 1907.]
Enid Wave: Enid, Oklahoma Territory, January 17th, 1903
(Special) -- David E. George, a wealthy resident of the
Territory, who committed suicide here, announced himself on his
deathbed to be John Wilkes Booth, the assassin of President
Lincoln.
He stated that he had successfully eluded the officers after
shooting Lincoln and since he had remained incognito. His
statement caused a sensation, and an investigation was made.
Surgeons examined the body and stated the man to be of the age
Booth would be at this time, and announced that his leg was
broken in the same place and in the same manner as that of Booth
after jumping from the President's box at Ford's V6eater after
the assassination. All the time George has received money
regularly from unknown sources, and telegrams arriving yesterday
and today ask that the body be held for identification. It is
claimed that one telegram came from the address, George E. Smith,
Colfax, Iowa, the same as the mysterious money remittances. Smith
is unknown to anyone in Oklahoma. Upon his arrival in Enid today
he commanded that no other person be allowed to view the remains,
and promised to return for the body later.
Mr. Smith was asked if George had ever confessed any of his
life's history to him, to which he answered: "Well, yes, to some
extent. He has had a past of which I do not care to speak at the
present. I think he killed a man in Texas. He may be Booth."
George committed suicide in the Grand Avenue Hotel, taking
poison. He previously attempted suicide at El Reno. A letter
found in his pocket addressed, "To Whom It May Concern," sets
aside a former will which he made, although its contents are not
known. He was worth about thirty thousand dollars, owning
property in El Reno, Oklahoma; in Dallas, Texas, and a lease on
six hundred acres in the Indian Territory. He carried $5,000.00
insurance.
No reason for the suicide is known. George maintained on his
death bed to his attendants that he was John Wilkes Booth, and
his general appearance closely resembles that of the murderer of
Lincoln.
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Enid, Oklahoma, January 21st, 1903 -- The Wave's editorial and
reportorial force have been searching closely for data and
evidence to sustain or obliterate the report that the remains
lying in the Enid morgue, under the name of David E. George,
could possibly be those of J. Wilkes Booth, who assassinated
Abraham Lincoln nearly thirty-eight years ago. All the history or
account of that sad and terrible affair to be found in the city
has been searched, and while the history at hand leaves but
little doubt of the decease of Booth in attempting to escape from
the burning barn in Virginia, that he was shot by Boston Corbett
upon his first appearance from the barn, and that he died on the
porch of Garrett's Virginia farm home, was taken to Washington,
identified and buried secretly, that a diary was found on his
person, etc., yet the fact still remains that a doubt did exist
with the government as to the positive identity of the man
killed; hence the reward for his capture was never paid, for the
identity was not clear. The Wave is still of the opinion that the
possibility of the dead man being all that is mortal of John
Wilkes Booth remains in doubt, but it must be admitted that the
evidence goes to show that if George was not Booth he was his
double, which, in connection with his voluntary confession to
Mrs. Harper, makes the case interesting and worthy the attention
of the Attorney General's department of the United States.
Doctors Baker and Way unearthed the December, 1901, number of the
Medical Monthly Journal in their office, which number was almost
wholly devoted to the consideration of the murderers of the
Presidents of the United States [CfD -- Then, officially,
Lincoln, Garfield and McKinley had been assassinated] and
European potentates. In this pamphlet we found a portrait of J.
Wilkes Booth, with quite a writeup as to his character, a
physical and anatomical description among other descriptions. It
said the forehead of J. Wilkes Booth was Kephalonard, the ears
excessively and abnormally developed, inclined to the so-called
Satanic type; the eyes were small, sunken and unequally placed;
the nose was normal; the facial bones and jaw were arrested in
development, and there was a partial V-shaped dental arch; the
lower jaw was well developed.
Yesterday the editor of the paper, in company with Dr. McElreth,
visited the corpse and compared it with the above description of
Booth, and we must acknowledge that the dead man shows all the
marks credited to Booth above in every particular. The satanic
ear is not much larger than the ordinary ear, but the lower lobe
thereof clings close to the side of the head instead of
projecting outward like the common or ordinary ear. The corpse
has that kind of an ear. The eyebrows of the dead man are not
mates in appearance, which fits the description of Booth. The
Booth chin, mouth, upper lip and general description is
absolutely perfect in the corpse.
The Wave has been searching for a fac-simile of Booth's
handwriting. It was found today in a copy of Harper Brothers'
Pictorial History of the Civil War, and we were startled when we
compared it with the round, little, scrawly boy writing of D.E.
George. We placed the very last words George wrote by the side of
the fac-simile writing of Booth, and it really seemed to us that
one and the same man had written both, Booth's fac-simile
signature shown in Harper's Pictorial History indicated the same
irregular handwriting as George's.
History readers will remember that a supposed attempt was made to
poison President Lincoln in a hotel in Meadeville, Pennsylvania,
in August, 1864. A notice appeared in the window of the hotel,
saying: "Abe Lincoln departed this life August 1st, 1864, by the
effects of poison."
After the Washington tragedy this handwriting on the window was
found to be the handwriting of J. Wilkes Booth, and as it
appeared in Harpers' Pictorial History of the Civil War it is a
fac-simile of the writing of D.E. George, now supposed to be
Booth.
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The Perry, Oklahoma Republican [Another Oklahoma newspaper]:
Perry, Oklahoma, June 5th, 1903 -- The Booth Case:
It is now fully developed that the man at Enid, who committed
suicide on January 13th last, was none other than John Wilkes
Booth, the slayer of President Lincoln. Junius Brutus Booth, the
nephew of John Wilkes Booth, has fully identified the picture of
David E. George as that of his uncle, John Wilkes Booth.
It has always been known by the Booth family that John Wilkes
Booth was alive, and they have been in constant communication
with him ever since April 14th, 1865, the day of President
Lincoln's assassination and the escape of John Wilkes Booth. This
knowledge on the part of Junius Brutus Booth, the actor, was what
prompted him, or his brother Edwin, to make remarks about the
supposed grave of J. Wilkes Booth. He or they well knew that the
body in the grave was not that of J. Wilkes Booth.
People conversant with the history of the published capture of
Booth, and with the fact that the reward offered by the Federal
government for Booth's capture has never been awarded, many
always believed him to be alive. From the time of Booth's
supposed capture, in April, 1865, until January of this year, J.
Wilkes Booth has been in almost constant touch with his friends.
Being an actor, and also secluded by the wilds of Texas and
Indian Territory, and through the anxious efforts of friends and
relatives to preserve his life, it has been an easy matter for
Booth to conceal his identity. In this he has been as smooth as
was his disguise as an old colored man moving. [CfD -- Booth is
reported to have hid in the wagon of an old black man who he had
persuaded to pretend to be moving. This reportedly occurred soon
after the assassination of Lincoln, when Booth was being hotly
pursued by at least some of the Federal forces.] There are no
records, and never have been, in the Federal archives which go to
show any positive or direct proof of the death of Booth. There
has always been a lingering desire in the hearts of the people to
believe that such was the case, but to the close student of
affairs a doubt has always existed.
At the time of the suicide of George in Enid and his claim to be
none other than John Wilkes Booth, the Republican stated its
belief in the confession of the man. All the facts in the case
have pointed, and do now point, to the truthfulness of his death
bed statement. For many years George, alias Booth, has been
furnished funds by his friends.
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The Daily Democrat [Another Oklahoma newspaper]: El Reno,
Oklahoma Territory, June 3rd, 1903 -- From the evidence at hand
there is no doubt that the man who died at Enid last January, and
who was supposed by some to be John Wilkes Booth, the assassin of
President Lincoln, was really that man, he having been identified
by many who knew John Wilkes Booth before the war, during the war
and since that time.
After the death of the man certain papers found on his person led
to the opinion that he was the fugitive assassin supposed to have
been killed thirty-three years ago, and the body was embalmed to
await a thorough investigation. It has been in an undertaking
house here ever since, and all possible efforts have been made to
verify the remarkable claim made by the dead man's lawyer, who
came from Memphis, Tennessee, and asserted that his client was
none other than the slayer of President Lincoln.
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St. Louis Post-Dispatch: St. Louis, Mo., June 3d, 1903 -- A
special from Enid, Oklahoma says: "Junius Brutus Booth, the
actor, a nephew of John Wilkes Booth, the assassin of President
Lincoln, has fully identified from photographs, etc., the man,
David E. George, as his uncle, John Wilkes Booth.
George, or Booth, committed suicide here January 13th last, and
in his effects was found a letter directed to F.L. Bates,
Memphis, Tenn., who came here at once and identified the body as
that of John Wilkes Booth, and has since secured confirmation of
his statement that George is in fact Booth.
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[CfD -- Finis L. Bates notes that "the foregoing are a few of the
many comments made in the various publications." *Unsolved
Mysteries* covered this story. Following are excerpts. Note that
the person named "Orwellek" (sp?) has been investigating aspects
of the Lincoln assassination for years.]
ORWELLEK: Bates had the body preserved. He took many pictures of
the body. Eventually, he had the body mummified to preserve it
for posterity; to prove once and for all that the government had
fooled us all. And he was not going to allow that cover-up to
stand.
NARRATOR: In 1931, six Chicago physicians examined the mummified
body of John St. Helen [a.k.a. David E. George, John Wilkes
Booth]. According to the findings of this affidavit, they
specifically noted a scarred right eyebrow, a crushed right thumb
and a broken-limbed leg. John Wilkes Booth is known to have had
all three of these unusual characteristics.
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[CN Editor -- I cannot vouch for the accuracy of *all* of the
following. It may or may not be true, I just don't know. However
I consider Skolnick to be an honest and careful investigator.]
[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put
out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up
the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]
Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts,
9800 South Oglesby.
Across Europe, top public officials and corporate big-shots find
themselves under arrest! For runaway corruption.
In Milan, Italy, local residents are amused by the bigwigs
brought into that nation's central jail for questioning about
bribery and kickbacks. Knowledgeable folks say America needs a
Milan-style prison. Like at a central point, like Chicago!
ITEM: Assistant U.S. attorney William R. Hogan, jr., of Chicago,
has been on administrative leave. The Justice Department has
been, for months and months, dragging their feet on accusations
against this federal prosecutor that he arranged perjury, drugs,
and sex in the purported trials of numerous narco-terrorists in
Chicago. Hogan counter-attacked, saying that the Justice
Department covered up the bribery of six or more federal judges
here.
ITEM: The Clinton Justice Department has been suppressing details
of some 18 sizeable firms reportedly expanding their business
and/or acting as money laundries for massive drug smuggling
through Arkansas -- reportedly including Tyson Foods, Wal-Mart,
and J.B. Hunt Trucking Company.
ITEM: Don Tyson, head of the poultry, fish, and meat processing
firm, has resigned his post and left the united States,
reportedly to escape a federal grand jury subpoena. According to
long-suppressed DEA [Drug Enforcement Administration] records,
Tyson Foods has been implicated in smuggling dope inside chickens
from Puerto Rico and Columbia. Reportedly, corrupt poultry
inspectors in Puerto Rico have allowed otherwise forbidden old(?)
chickens to be shipped to Tyson's plants in the united States.
(They are called, by the way, "Social Security chickens"... old
enough for a federal pension.)
ITEM: According to Justice Department data, Richard A. Posner,
chief judge of Chicago's federal appeals court, has been
corrupted in at least 8 major cases, including his corrupt
torpedoing of the $200 million embezzlement case against 20 name-
brand stock peddlers -- such as Merrill-Lynch, Smith-Barney, and
the queen of England's brokerage, Morgan-Grenfeld(?) of London.
In court, the sole equity portfolio manager of the Illinois
judges' pension fund claimed she was fired for complaining about
the massive rip-offs by these stock brokers.
ITEM: Garfield Ridge Trust and Savings Bank of Chicago, and the
Mercantile Exchange, are reportedly implicated in laundering
hundreds of millions of dollars, proceeds of CIA dope smuggling
through the Mena airport in Arkansas. The bank has been owned by
former long-time congressman (now a *former* congressman) Dan
Rostenkowski of Chicago *and* by Mayor Richie Daley, through his
corrupt family money manager, Daniel Shannon. Another bank
stockholder whose interest has reportedly been concealed has been
Hugh Rodham, brother of the first lady, Hillary. Also implicated
are 6 other members of the Clinton White House, *and* former
President Bush and Ollie North.
ITEM: Attorney General Janet Reno has concealed data showing
there is a secret unit, *in* *the* *Justice* *Department*,
carrying out domestic and foreign political assassinations. They
are reportedly implicated in "suiciding" Clinton White House aide
Vincent Foster, jr., who was planning to insist that "Sludge
Willy" do something about the murder squad or be impeached.
Hey! Warden of the Milan jail! You know something? We need you...
like, *over* *here*!!
In Chicago, see us on cable tv, channel 21, 9 pm [cst] most
Monday evenings.
Play it again: "The Colossal Scandal of the White House". (312)
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THE ANDREUCCETTI AFFAIR
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Longtime readers of Conspiracy Nation and its predecessor,
Conspiracy for the Day, may recall mention by Sherman Skolnick of
something called "The Andreucetti Affair". So, for example, in
Conspiracy for the Day, January 25, 1994, we find
All this and *more* are involved, in one way or another, in
the Andrew Cetti(sp?) [Androchetti(?)] affair -- some 8 state
and federal cases....
(...and that bank in Cicero was taken over by the successor
to BCCI. *And* Marchinkas' nephew and that bank are among the
defendants in the Andrew Cetti affair...)
And on March 15, 1994, in Conspiracy for the Day, Mr. Skolnick is
quoted as saying
Hopkins & Sutter partner Jay Steinberg reportedly has played
a key role in secretly transferring a $50 million RTC
contingency fund from Chicago to Little Rock. Some details
are in a series of blockbuster federal cases here called "The
Andrew Cetti Affair" (sp?)....
...The [unclear] swindles and the "Andrew Cetti Affair" both
implicate super FBI agent Mike "Chucky" Peters -- according
to undisputed federal court records here, implicated in the
murder of some 41 federal grand jury witnesses.
Finally, one reader wrote to inquire, "Just who, or what, is the
Andrew Cetti Affair?"
On Wednesday, February 8, 1995, I received by U.S. mail a packet
of information from Mr. Joseph Andreucetti himself, offering
particulars on this case. What follows are portions of that
information. Let us hope it can peel back the layers of mystery
surrounding the Andreucetti Affair.
(Note that I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with either
all, or portions of, the following.)
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DOCUMENT #1
(January 27, 1995) -- To Whom It May Concern:
Please find enclosed our Notices of Motions and Requests for
Admission which have been served on the subject parties to this
wide ranging dispute. Additionally, enclosed are Certified Mail
Receipts indicating on whom these documents have been served.
It is unbelievable that these allegations cannot be heard because
of the voracity of the government's efforts to quash an
adjudication of these allegations and a public knowledge thereby
of these acts. Indeed, the following is a list of cases which
have been filed so that these allegations could be heard in the
Northern District of Illinois, Eastern Division:
84 B 10338/9 (now 92 CV 1512)
90 C 5932
91 1937
92 A 1063
92 CV 673 (now 92 L 00101)
92 C 7048 (now pending)
92 CV 8128 (now 92 B 1791)
93 0371
93 CV 5261
93 CV 6797 (now 92 A 36)
93 CV 7037
94 1375
Indeed, these matters only continue after being dismissed by
Magistrate Lefkow on November 21, 1994 after an *ex parte* Motion
by the government because Judge Wayne Anderson ordered that
discovery continue in disregard of the illegal ruling of
Magistrate Lefkow.
Further examples of the voracity of the government's attempts to
hide, conceal, bury, override and prevent public knowledge of
these acts are best obtained from the Citizens Committee to Clean
Up The Courts founder Sherman H. Skolnick. Mr. Skolnick may be
reached at:
9800 S. Oglesby
Chicago, Illinois 60617
(312) 375-5741
Sincerely,
Joseph Andreuccetti
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DOCUMENT #2
[Xerox copies of certified mail receipts showing that copies of
these documents were delivered to the Department of the Treasury,
the IRS, Sen. Robert Dole, Rep. James Leach, the U.S. Senate
Judiciary Committee, Lynett Redmer (see next document), Sen.
Alfonse D'Amato, and to the U.S. Department of Justice's Tax
Division.]
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DOCUMENT #3
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
NORTHERN DISTRICT OF ILLINOIS
EASTERN DIVISION
MARK SATO et al., plaintiffs, )
vs. ) No. 92 C 7048
SHIRLEY PETERSON et al., defendants. ) Jury Demanded
Judge Wayne R. Andersen
Magistrate Judge Lefkow
NOTICE OF FILING.
To: Eugene J. Rossi, Office of the U.S. Attorney General, Tax
Division, U.S. Department of Justice, P.O. Box 55,
Washington DC 20044;
Eileen Marutzky, Office of the U.S. Attorney,
219 South Dearborn St., Chicago, IL 60604;
Internal Revenue Service, Kansas City, MO 64999
Please be informed that on October 17, 1994, we filed with the
Clerk of the above Court, this Notice of Filing, with Certificate
of Service below, together with attached Request for Admissions,
Declaration of Andreuccetti and of Skolnick, and attached thereto
six pages of records, all herewith served upon you.
Joseph Andreuccetti, plaintiff, pro se
990 County Line Road
Bensenville, IL 60106
(708) 860-9930
Sherman H. Skolnick, plaintiff, pro se
9800 So. Oglesby Ave.
Chicago, IL 60617
(312) 375-5741
CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
The undersigned does hereby certify that he caused a copy of the
attached Request for Admissions, Declaration of Andreuccetti and
Skolnick, attached six pages of records, together with Notice of
Filing set out above, on those named in Notice of Filing, on
October 17, 1994.
(signed) Joseph Andreuccetti
REQUEST FOR ADMISSIONS
Joseph Andreuccetti and Sherman H. Skolnick, plaintiffs, pro se,
make this Request for Admissions of the defendants and state as
follows:
1. That on September 20, 1994, Skolnick and Andreuccetti went to
the 14th floor of the building at 230 South Dearborn Street,
Chicago, Illinois, Internal Revenue Service, Criminal
Investigation Division [C.I.D.]. Skolnick said he is a journalist
and wishes to speak with the Chief or acting Chief of C.I.D.
2. A woman came to a door, said she speaks for the Chief, later
identifying herself as Lynette Redmer [see above, document #2],
and ushered Skolnick and Andreuccetti to a conference room.
3. Skolnick stated that he is a journalist, gave his card, and
stated he is head of HOTLINE NEWS and participant of a TV Cable
Show, "Broadsides", and founder/chairman, Citizens' Committee to
Clean Up the Courts. He stated he is there with Andreuccetti,
hereinafter "Joe", to report corruption, involving, among other
things, corruption of U.S. Bankruptcy Trustee Jay Steinberg.
4. Skolnick told her that Steinberg, in the name of Joe
[Andreuccetti] has been preparing, and causing to be prepared,
and causing to be filed, false and fraudulent federal tax
returns.
5. That Steinberg has concealed that there was a 900 thousand
dollar embezzlement involving Christian Henning, Jr., who falsely
stated he was a partner of Joe. That Joe was falsely and
fraudulently put into involuntary bankruptcy in 1984, still
pending, by, among other things, a purported loan to him by First
National Bank of Cicero. That Joe never received said funds which
instead were applied by Henning and others for other purposes.
That said bank has been dominated by Henning's uncle, Paul
Marcinkus, until recently head of the mafia-dominated Vatican
Bank. That Henning had corrupted the U.S. Attorney's office here,
including but not limited to Assistant U.S. Attorney William R.
Hogan, Jr., now on administrative leave because of charges of
misconduct. Result: that Henning escaped adequate punishment.
6. Ms. Redmer, by words and statements, showed that she already
knew and knew about much of the foregoing, and did not dispute
Skolnick's recital of said facts and confirmed that Hogan took
bribes, in civil and criminal matters, to protect Henning,
Household International, Edward J. Lesniak, as in U.S. vs. John
Best.
7. By words and statements, in discussion with Skolnick, Ms.
Redmer confirmed that her agency was having difficulty in an
apparent tax evasion case being put together against Hogan. She
confirmed that the difficulty was that Hogan was making charges,
by way of rebuttal and blackmail, that upwards of six Federal
judges in Chicago were corrupt, and took bribes, including but
not limited to, Judge James F. Holderman, Judge Marvin E. Aspen,
and Judge Suzanne B. Conlon.
8. That Ms. Redmer was already fully aware of circumstances and
details regarding Joe having been the owner of Kingspoint
Condominiums, in Addison, Illinois. She was aware and confirmed
that Robert Belavia together with Wallace Lieberman had stolen
said property; that Lieberman on other occasions was a U.S.
Bankruptcy auctioneer.
9. She was aware that FBI agent Mike "Chuckie" Peters, who she
knows, has been accused of murdering or arranging the murder of
Lieberman near the First National Bank of Cicero, just before
Christmas, 1991.
10. She stated she worked on the Belavia case, and that higher-
ups, in her agency, who she understood to be corrupt, were
anxious to have Belavia prosecuted on some offense, to get him
out of the way.
11. By words and statements, she confirmed that top officials of
her agency, on the next higher level, have corruptly taken as
their own personal property the said Kingspoint property; and
confirmed that this was aided and abetted by Edward J. Lesniak,
Household International, [and] First National Bank of Cicero,
among others.
12. By words and statements, she confirmed that said corrupt
doings by the higher-ups in her agency was accomplished by having
the land titles and related records as to Kingspoint to
disappear, to be unavailable by alleged computer so-called
"glitches", and other devices of concealment of ownership.
13. By words and statements, she confirmed that she recognized
that Chief Bankruptcy Judge John D. Schwartz, in Joe's long-
standing case, was highly corrupt. She did not deny or dispute
that Judge Schwartz has a net worth of 140 million dollars and
has not filed a proper federal tax return in thirty years. She
cautioned Skolnick that it was improper for him, "to have those
records," of her agency.
14. She confirmed that she was aware of the facts of corruption
at the highest level in the IRS in Chicago, as detailed about
Chicago and Los Angeles in a Congressional committee report, in
1990, by Cong. Doug Barnard. She said, "Let's deal with Chicago
-- don't tell me about L.A."
15. She confirmed that she was aware that the higher-ups in her
agency were secret and silent partners in at least two mafia-
owned vending companies in Chicago Heights. That said corrupt IRS
officials were aiding the mafia people to elude and escape IRS
problems.
16. She confirmed that her higher-ups, who she knew and
understood to be corrupt, were allowing, permitting, and
condoning various corrupt Bankruptcy Trustees, not just Jay
Steinberg in Joe's matter, to file false and fraudulent federal
tax returns and details; by way of concealing the plundering of
bankrupt estates and money laundering the proceeds, or even
putting persons and firms not actually bankrupt into the
bankruptcy court to be plundered.
17. She then and there said, "What is the point of you and me
talking about all this when those higher up than me in the IRS
are corrupt? What's the point of me even making a report?"
Skolnick answered that his contacts in the building will watch to
see how the higher-ups in her building are going to try to cover
up my complaint. She said to Skolnick, "Do you have contacts in
C.I.D.?" He said, "You can presume that."
18. She used words and statements to show she had inside
knowledge of Joe's problem. She referred to a 54 or more million
dollar fund parked by Resolution Trust Corporation with Household
International, part of the details of Joe's various pieces of
litigation. Turning to Joe, she said, "Well your claim against
the fund is mostly 32 million dollar punitive damage claim from
your DuPage [County] matter," which Joe disputes. She said, "The
transfer (secretly) of 50 million [dollars] to Little Rock, that
was Whitewater, right?" Skolnick confirmed that is correct. "They
only needed 47 (million) down there, what happened to the 3
million difference?" Confirming that she knew from inside details
that the President and First Lady are accused by some in R.T.C.
of being implicated in the embezzlement of 47 million dollars
missing from Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan of Little Rock. "Do
you know exactly where in a secret trust they have the 50 million
in Little Rock?" she said to Skolnick, who said, "The 3 million
difference is for so-called 'transportation' expense, that is,
street tax." She was aware that John E. Gierum was implicated in
said transfer and was a close crony of First Lady Hillary.
19. She discussed with Skolnick and Joe a firm known as Glenrock
Co., secretly owned by Chicago Mayor Richie Daley and his
business crony Jeremiah Joyce. Skolnick said to her, "I notice
you are not writing down anything about Glenrock." She answered,
"That's the Rostenkowski matter -- I can't go into that."
20. She confirmed that she knew and was aware that Glenrock, a
multi-million dollar operation in Northlake, Illinois,
Brookfield, Wisconsin, and Indianapolis, Indiana, did not keep
proper records for IRS and did not pay their proper income tax,
and confirming that the corruption was "wired all the way to the
(IRS) Commissioner in Washington, D.C."
21. That after a discussion between Skolnick, Joe, and the said
Lynette Redmer, speaking as she said for the Chief of C.I.D., for
some hour and a half, she stood up. As she did, Skolnick said to
her, "Tell me, straight in front, is everything said by the three
of us the truth -- you, me, and Joe? Do you already know it to be
the truth?" She answered, "It is the truth, everything said in
this room is the truth," and she ushered us out of the room and
toward the elevators.
22. As part of this Request for Admissions, plaintiffs attach
hereto and make a part hereof, six pages, being true copies of
(a) 4 pages received by Joe from IRS, Kansas City; and (b) two
pages showing that Jay Steinberg, Bankruptcy Trustee in Joe's
matter, caused to be purportedly prepared and filed tax returns
in the name of Joseph Andreuccetti; said tax returns Joe contends
are false and fraudulent, and the IRS higher ups are in a
position to know they are false and fraudulent.
23. At a time and place to be mutually agreed on between
plaintiffs and defendants, plaintiffs ask that defendants produce
for examination and copying by plaintiffs the matters hereinafter
set forth.
24. All records, books, papers, microfilm, microfiche, electronic
or other non-paper technology storage and retrieval, relating to,
or pertaining to, Internal Revenue Service officials taking for
their own personal use and ownership, individually, and/or
through relatives, straw people, nominees, ownership, beneficial
interest, financial interest, hypothecated instruments, or other
interest, directly or indirectly, the properties known as
Kingspoint Condominiums, Addison, Illinois, or any previous name
they go by, and the legal descriptions it is known by or referred
to.
25. All records and other versions of records as in paragraph 24,
as to the 50 million dollar transfer, or amount thereabouts, of
funds, already known to the defendant IRS, in the custody of
Household International, transferred away from the Chicago area
and kept or used in Arkansas or thereabouts.
26. All records and versions of records as in par. 24, as to the
purported IRS lien, levy, or similar instrument, as to house of
Joseph Andreuccetti, 4 North 176 Maple Avenue, Bensenville, IL
60106, and the disposition, if any, of the same.
27. All records and versions of records as in par. 24, as to or
pertaining to Jay Steinberg, whether individually or as partner
of Hopkins & Sutter, and/or as U.S. Bankruptcy Trustee, in the
Joseph Andreuccetti litigation or related thereto, in that
Steinberg has been causing to be prepared and filed with IRS and
others, false and fraudulent tax returns purportedly for Joseph
Andreuccetti.
28. All records and versions of records as in par. 24, as to or
pertaining to, Joseph Andreuccetti and Christian Henning, Jr.,
First National Bank of Cicero, Illinois, and/or successor names
of said Bank such as Pinnacle Banc Group, and Joe and American
Heritage Savings & Loan, and Household International, Household
Bank or versions of said name, and Edward Lesniak and First
National Bank of Cicero or successor names.
29. All records and versions of records as in par. 24, as to or
pertaining to Joseph Andreuccetti and John E. Gierum of Park
Ridge, Illinois and Barton Kalish.
Respectfully submitted,
Joseph Andreuccetti, plaintiff, pro se
990 County Line Road, Bensenville, IL 60606
(708) 860-9930
Sherman H. Skolnick, plaintiff, pro se
9800 So. Oglesby Ave., Chicago, IL 60617
(312) 375-5741
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[From The Congressional Record -- House, H1215, Feb. 6, 1995]
THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE (Mr. Nussle):
Under the Speaker's announced policy of January 4, 1995, the
gentleman from Kentucky [Mr. Bunning] is recognized during
morning business for 5 minutes.
MR. BUNNING:
Mr. Speaker, article I of the U.S. Constitution vests the power
of the purse in the Congress. Unfortunately, the President of the
United States has taken it upon himself to do an end run around
the Constitution, the Congress, and the American people to bail
out Mexico.
Mr. Clinton has pushed the barriers past the breaking point. He
is basing his power grab on a twisted reading of his authority
under the Gold Reserve Act of 1934. That is the law which
established the Exchange Stabilization Fund that Mr. Clinton has
raided to save Mexico.
The Exchange Stabilization Fund was not meant for the kind of
shenanigans that Mr. Clinton is trying to pull. It was designed
to ensure that we would have an orderly and stable system of
exchange rates.
In other words, the Gold Reserve Act gives the President
authority to stabilize the U.S. dollar and protect its value. It
does not give the President the authority to prop up the currency
of Mexico.
It seems that Mr. Clinton needs to take a refresher course in
constitutional law. Only Congress has the authority to
appropriate money.
Apparently, the chairman of the Federal Reserve, Alan Greenspan,
doesn't think too much of Mr. Clinton's bailout scheme either.
The Washington Times reported on February 1 that the Exchange
Stabilization Fund, the IMF and the BIS do not have the resources
to deal with Mexico's problems. He went on to say that the
bailout should be addressed by the political leaders of the
country because of its broad implications.
Mr. Greenspan is not alone in thinking that this financing scheme
is a multi-billion dollar disaster waiting to happen.
The Heritage Foundation had warned that this bailout was a bad
deal as early as January 25. A study by Heritage warned,
The proposed loan guarantees may bail out Mexico this year,
but they will not prevent another crisis unless the Mexican
Government corrects the fundamental structural problems that
caused the peso's collapse.
Our financial partners in Europe seem to understand the problem.
When it came to a vote at the International Monetary Fund,
Germany, Britain, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium, and
Switzerland all abstained from voting rather than support Mr.
Clinton's plan.
I applaud my colleague, Mr. Taylor of Mississippi, for pushing
the envelope on this issue by introducing a privileged resolution
that will put the House on record as to where we stand on this
bailout.
His resolution will put us on track to determine whether the
President has acted outside the scope of his authority.
We have all sworn to defend the Constitution of the United
States. If the President is wrongly seizing power from the
legislative branch, it is our duty to stop him.
Mr. Taylor's privileged resolution is just the thing to start the
inquiry into what I believe may be the power grab of our time.
Congress, not the President or the Courts, is charged with the
power to spend the money.
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I received the following from a CN reader who wishes to remain
anonymous. What I plan to do is post the entire document over a
period of time, most likely in weekly installments. Here is part 13.
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CONSPIRACY:
THE INVISIBLE SECOND RUNG OF GOVERNMENT
An Investigation and Discussion of that Part of the United
States Government Which We Did Not Elect, Which Is Not
Accountable, Which Is Unconstitutional, Which Is Engaged In
Unlawful and Unconstitutional Activity, and Then Hides Behind
the National Security Act of 1947
PART I :
CITATION AND SUMMARY OF SOURCES
(continued)
37. Chomsky, Noam, and Herman, Edward, Manufacturing Consent,
Pantheon Books, New York, New York, 1988. (There is also a film:
Achbar, Mark, Symansky, Adam, and Wintonick, Peter, Manufacturing
Consent, Necessary Illusions/National Film Board of Canada, Montreal,
Quebec, 1992.) Chomsky is a leading dissident intellectual, linguistics
scholar, author, and Institute professor at Massachusetts Institute of
Technology (MIT). Summary: Documents mind control in the U.S. committed
by the media. Explores how "not an excess, but a lack of investigative
zeal into the accumulating illegalities of the executive branch"
demonstrates a need to see what the real function of the mass media is.
"Focuses on democratic societies where populations not disciplined by
force are subjected to more subtle forms of idealogical control." He
gives specific examples of this media deception.
Mass media requires that you be concise. The beauty of these
concision prerequisites is that "you can only repeat conventional
thought" in the time allotted between commercials. If one says that the
news media is one big propaganda machine, someone will probably say,
"What? Where is your supporting data? What are you talking about? What
do you mean by that? Where did you get this idea?" And, of course, in
order to do justice to their questions, one cannot respond in mere sound
bytes. These answers are, by definition, going to take more time than
that. It is not going to happen between commercials. And if it doesn't
happen between commercials, then it doesn't happen.
The real information is there, but only for a fanatic, "somebody
who wants to spend a substantial part of their time and energy exploring
it and comparing today's lies with yesterday's leaks and so on...."
By the time the news reaches the viewer, it has already passed
through several filters. First, the story has to suit the "size,
ownership and profit orientation of the mass media." Second, the story
has to suit the advertisers. Third, reliance on pre-packaged news
sources slants the story. Fourth, the story must pass through the filter
that reduces the likelihood of any negative responses to media statements
or programs, because to respond to the negative complaints takes time and
money. Fifth, the last filter is anti-communism, even at the expense of
fascism.
These filters together act to control the scope and direction of
the news that passes through the gates to the people. A highly
systematized program of propaganda feeds our people and institutions daily.
38. Thompson, Linda, Waco, The Big Lie (aka Waco I), American
Justice Federation, Indianapolis, Indiana, 1993. Thompson is an attorney
and researcher into government corruption. Summary: Documents
government responsibility for the murder of the people at Mt. Carmel in
Waco, Texas.
In February, 1993 approximately 130 people lived in a home in
Waco, Texas. The group's leader was David Koresh. His wife, Rachel, and
their three children also lived in Mt. Carmel. Koresh believed he had a
calling to deliver the Biblical message of Revelation.
Mt. Carmel was established in 1935 as a religious retreat.
"Followers came to be called Branch Davidians. In sixty years there had
been only one incident in an otherwise unblemished record of the Branch
Davidians' peaceful existence with their neighbors."
Former leader, George Roden's wife, had turned over leadership to
Koresh. George Roden then unearthed a dead woman's coffin to see who
could raise the dead. Koresh called the police. The police said they
needed evidence. Roden opened fire when Koresh and seven others went to
take photographs. Roden was shot in the finger. Koresh and the seven
others were arrested and later acquitted.
"Roden also accused David Koresh of getting his 75-year-old
mother pregnant....In response David replied, 'If I took a 70-year-old
woman and got her pregnant, you had better watch out. I'm God.'" The
media took Koresh's quote of "I'm God" out of context and repeated it
over and over without ever mentioning that Koresh had said it in an
obviously sarcastic manner.
Many people who lived at Mt. Carmel held responsible jobs in the
community, including a teacher, a mailman, a Harvard educated lawyer, a
computer analyst, and craftsmen.
"Church services were no different than what you would expect at
any church service. The Branch Davidians were well liked by their
neighbors. What happened to target these seemingly peaceful and
religious people for the wrath of the United States government?"
A previous member, Marc Breault, had threatened revenge when he
was asked to leave in 1989 after trying to take over the leadership from
Koresh. Later Breault accused Koresh of adultery, child abuse, and
gun-stockpiling. Breault contacted Cult Awareness Network (CAN), "a
group that helps to arrange kidnappings and de-programming of people who
join religious groups....Deprogramming is a form of brainwashing."
Another way in which Breault sought revenge was by offering to
help a disc jockey, David Jewell, obtain custody in a custody battle with
his wife, Sheri Jewell, a member of Mt. Carmel. Breault later testified
at the custody hearing.
Koresh himself answered these charges with a swift and complete
denial. Yet these same charges of polygamy and child abuse ended up in
an ATF warrant. The ATF is responsible for making sure taxes are paid on
guns and enforcing gun laws. "Why would these allegations be included in
an application to search for weapons violations" when the ATF doesn't
have the authority to investigate polygamy or child abuse?
It would have been redundant anyway since these charges had
already been investigated and found to be baseless by both the County
Sheriff and the Texas Welfare Department.
Several claims made in the ATF search warrant were false. First,
reference is made to "the upper and lower receivers for" the AK47 rifle.
But, in fact, the AK47 does not have an upper and lower receiver. It has
a one-piece receiver.
Second, Shotgun News is referred to as a "clandestine magazine,"
but, in fact, is a national newspaper with a circulation of 150,000 that
is sold at newsstands all over the country.
Third, it refers to a neighbor who had heard machine gun fire,
but did not say that the County Sheriff had already investigated this
claim. The Sheriff had found that Koresh owned a hellfire trigger, a
legal device that merely sounds like a machine gun. Even owing a machine
gun is legal as long as the owner pays a $200 tax on the gun.
So the ATF raid was launched because the Branch Davidians were
suspected of possibly owning a machine gun that they had failed to pay
the tax on. "Branch Davidian Paul Fatta who was responsible for many gun
purchases, states categorically, 'There is no 50 caliber machine gun out
there. There is a 50 caliber gun that's a semi-automatic that was bought
perfectly legal.'"
The warrant also failed to mention the fact that the ATF had
investigated the gun store where the Branch Davidians had purchased 225
guns. The owner of the store called Koresh and told him that the ATF had
a problem with them buying so many guns. Koresh told the owner, "Tell
them to come on out." The ATF declined Koresh's offer.
Waco had "an extraordinarily high rate of federal gun
prosecutions compared to the rest of the nation." Magistrate Green, a
former U.S. attorney who issued the warrant, and Bill Johnstone, the U.S.
attorney in Waco who filed the warrant, and the ATF may all be ignorant
of gun laws. Aguilera claims to be experienced and informed regarding
gun law. Yet, Agent Aguilera in the warrant confuses the meanings of
several firearms terms: Machine gun, destructive device, explosive, and
explosive device, each of which "has different, specific meanings in the
federal law books." Then, Magistrate Green failed to notice Agent
Aguilera's confusion. This may be why Waco has such a high rate of gun
prosecutions.
The Waco newspaper began a series of scandalous articles about
Mt. Carmel the day prior to the raid, repeating the same allegations made
by Marc Breault.
The ATF lied outright when it claimed they moved the raid up a
day because of these newspaper articles. "The warrant would expire if it
wa not served by February 28 and the raid took place on February 28."
One piece of film of the day of the raid provided to all news
agencies was a piece of film that had been heavily edited before being
distributed. There are glitches in the film where pieces have been
obviously cut out.
In the opening scenes, ATF agents are hiding behind cars while
shooting at the front of the house. Within thirty seconds two groups of
agents climb ladders up to the roof on the side of the house. No bullets
are hitting the ground around any of the agents and no one is shooting at
the agents climbing the ladders. The sounds are the agents' M16 and MP5
machine guns.
Several agents are carrying fully automatic rifles. The agent
climbing up the ladder on the right manages to shoot himself in the foot.
Agent Royster said they had drilled and rehearsed the raid for
months.
Next they show three of the four agents on the roof breaking into
a window. They toss smoke grenades into the room and then three agents
climb in. Following another film glitch the fourth agent tosses
something that appears to be a grenade into the room after them. "It
makes no sense for him to be throwing anything at all into a room where
the three ATF agents have just gone unless he intends to injure his own
men. He also fires a machine gun into the room, twice, without looking."
Someone from inside the room begins shooting back.
The three agents who had been sent inside the room were killed.
All three had been body guards for Bill Clinton during the campaign. A
fourth agent was also killed the same day but before any shooting had
begun. He was killed as he exited the cattle car.
The ATF claims the Branch Davidians had bigger guns. Yet film
footage shows ATF agents with MP5 and M16 machine guns.
Mike Schroeder, a Branch Davidian, had left Mt. Carmel the day of
the raid to go to work in town. When he heard on the radio about the
raid, he attempted to go home to his wife and four-year-old son inside
Mt. Carmel. Mike Schroeder, Norman Alison, and Woody Kendricks tried to
go home. On his way home Schroeder was shot seven times, once in the
eye, once through his heart, and five times in the back. Norman Alison
was captured immediately and told the ATF that Schroeder had been
killed.
The official ATF lie told was that Schoeder and two other Branch
Davidians started a shoot out as they tried to leave Mt. Carmel. But
documents filed in the indictment of Alison proved that the ATF knew
these men were trying to go into Mt. Carmel, "not shooting their way
out."
These same documents also prove that the ATF knew Schroeder had
been killed. Yet Schoeder's body was left for days hanging outside on a
fence. During these five days, his body was chewed by wild dogs and
picked by birds. Finally, after five days the ATF notified Schoeder's
mother that he was dead. Then they collected his body using a helicopter
and a grappling hook and transported it "like a side of beef on a meat
hook." Schroeder's wife inside Mt. Carmel was never notified of his death.
Peter Gent's body was left on top of a water tower. His body
literally fell apart and dropped to the ground when the Feds attempted to
remove it with a grappling hook. "The Branch Davidians buried what
remained of his body."
Two ATF agents have spoken out about their disgust with ATF
higher ups violating simple ethics, morality, and principles of the
Constitution and law. One of them said, "The people that I put in jail
have more honor than the top administration in this organization."
On the fourth day of the seige the FBI was put in charge of the
operation. All news people were kept a minimum of three miles away and
regular citizens five miles away with road blocks and State Troopers and
ATF agents armed with machine guns. The only news given out was the
official select version filtered through an FBI agent/spokesperson.
Despite the fact that it is illegal to use military troops
against U.S. citizens, the FBI brought in Army tanks. National Guard
troops and military equipment can be used if it is drug interdiction. As
a ploy to avoid penalities for violating the Posse Comitatus Act, the FBI
claimed that they had suspicion of a methamphetamine lab, despite the
fact that drugs were never an issue at Mt. Carmel. Governor Ann Richards
never did order the tanks off the Mt. Carmel property, even after she
realized she had been deceived into consenting to their use.
From that point on, all those at Mt. Carmel, including many very
young children and babies, were totally cut off from the outside world,
including utilities, phone, lights, gas, water, and plumbing. Bright
stadium lights were used to keep the home lit up for twenty-four hours a
day, while huge speakers broadcast the sounds of Tibetan chants, rabbits
being slaughtered, and Nancy Sinatra's song, These Boots Are Made For Walkin'.
"One refrain of that song says: I just found me a brand new box
of matches, yeah, and if you play with fire you know you're gonna get
burned."
Punishments used by the FBI included using a tank to crush the
car of any Branch Davidian who fell into disfavor with the FBI, "or in
the case of the children, their go-carts."
Thermal imaging was used by the FBI to allow them to see every
person within Mt. Carmel. Fiber optic cameras were stuffed in the walls
and vents of the Branch Davidian home. The FBI could see and hear
everyone inside Mt. Carmel at all times.
The FBI, ATF, and Janet Reno told American citizens that CS gas
was being used out of "concern for the children." A training film shows
the impact of CS gas on grown men in camouflage uniforms. They are
coughing, sputtering, crying, spitting, grimacing, drooling, squinting,
holding their heads, wiping their eyes, and gasping for air.
For over two hours a tank sat on top of the tunnel to the
underground bunker or was at the hold in the corner of the house at the
entrance to the tunnel. While the tank sat there, agents could be seen
getting in and out of the tank, "and the camera filming it conveniently
cuts away."
"At approximately 6:10 AM smoke begins pouring from the
underground bunker. None of the media mentions the fire in the
underground bunker, yet this is when and where the first fire began and
where many people lost their lives." Then a tank is shown destroying the
end of the house over the trap door to the bunker, ensuring no escape for
anyone trapped inside the burning bunker. Then the tanks proceed to
collapse all stairwells inside the Branch Davidian home.
Then footage is shown which proves beyond any doubt that the
tanks intentionally set the home on fire. "It proves that the Branch
Davidians were murdered." Twice as the tank backs out of the house
flames from a gas jet that shoots fire is plainly visible.
Later, at a second story window where flame is erupting, as a
tank drives out from behind the home, an agent is situated on top of the
tank as if he just jumped down off the roof to the top of the tank. He
is in the process of removing a fire-proof type hood.
Another man on the roof, who the ATF claims is a Branch Davidian,
while on the roof he removes a jacket, jumps down, then very calmly walks
slowly away while removing a hood." He also appears to be carrying a
rifle in his right hand."
While the fire is buring helicopters circle over with men aiming
guns at Mt. Carmel. None of the agents on the ground or in the air show
any concern about explosions from inside Mt. Carmel during or after the
fire. Many agents are shown walking casually around and about near the fire.
Though great care is taken at all crime scenes to preserve
evidence, tanks are shown pushing "what remains of the house and evidence
into the fire." At 5:00 PM the evening of the fire agents are walking in
and around the still-smoldering fire with no concern whatsoever for the
supposed millions of rounds of ammunition.
"In one final crude and insensitive display the ATF raised its
flag in victory over the ruins of Mt. Carmel before the day was over.
One voice was heard that day telling the truth, Brad Branch, a Branch
Davidian who had left the Mt. Carmel center before the day of the fire.
'They are finishing off the job right now. They are destroying the crime
scene. This is the biggest lie that has ever been put before the
American public ever.'"
[...to be continued...]
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THE MEXICAN RESCUE PACKAGE
[From The Congressional Record -- House, H1271-H1278, Feb. 6, 1995]
THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE:
Under the Speaker's announced policy of January 4, 1995, the
gentlewoman from Ohio [Ms. Kaptur] is recognized for 60 minutes
as the designee of the minority leader.
MS. KAPTUR:
Mr. Speaker, we are holding this special order this evening
because our various offices here on Capitol Hill have been
inundated with telephone calls and inquiries regarding the
Mexican rescue package, and many questions are being asked by
constituents and citizens of our country that we can not, in
fact, answer.
I was asked today how much money has already left our U.S.
Treasury as part of the drawdown on the deal that was announced
last week by the Secretary of the Treasury and the President. The
facts are that we cannot tell you.
Therefore tomorrow morning, likely after the morning business,
there will be a special resolution brought up here in the House,
and it will be a privileged resolution. In that resolution we
will be asking for a vote of the House and a ruling of the
Speaker so that we can obtain the information that we cannot give
you this evening about the terms of the arrangement that was made
by our Government with the nation of Mexico. Our resolution
requires that the Comptroller General of the United States report
back to us within a 7-day period.
So, we would try to draw to the Members' attention that this vote
will likely occur tomorrow morning after the regular morning
business, the 1-minutes and, perhaps, a vote on the Journal, and
we will look forward to that moment.
It is likely that in the way that the resolution will be brought
up there will be very little time for debate. There may actually
be an effort by certain interests in this Chamber to table the
resolution, and we would ask the Members to vote against tabling
the resolution so that, in fact, we will have an opportunity to
get the facts that we really want.
Mr. Speaker, I yield to the gentleman from Oregon [Mr. DeFazio].
MR. DeFAZIO:
So, the situation we are confronted with is the Treasury, in
concert with the Federal Reserve Board, agencies of the Federal
Government of the United States, have extended, as far as we
know, in excess of $40 billion of credits, loan guarantees,
currency swaps and other instruments to Mexico, that our
questions regarding the source of these funds, the exact amount
and the term of these funds, whether or not these funds are
somehow secured -- you know, what authorization exists for
extending these funds without coming to Congress for
appropriations; the gentlewoman [is] saying that there is a
possibility that this House will not ask to have those questions
answered, that we could just be shut down here on the floor by
ruling of the chair, and we will have no opportunity for debate,
no opportunity to go forward and ask these questions.
I, for one, as a Representative of a district from the Far West
United States, feel that my constituents -- this is not the
greatest issue before them, but they would certainly like to know
what authority the President, the Secretary of the Treasury, and
the Federal Reserve, have, if it was extended to them by
Congress, what amounts of money are controlled, what risks are
involved, what collateral are involved. I mean all sorts of
things we would like to know about even a small business
transaction let alone one of this magnitude.
But in this ruling we could just be shut down and not have any
opportunity to discuss that?
MS. KAPTUR:
That is really what the vote tomorrow is about. We know that the
constitutional authority of the House as the place within the
Congress; that is, the first to authorize and appropriate dollars
through the U.S. Treasury, was essentially shut off. Our Members
were muzzled. We were not privy to information that should be
ours in relation to the dollars of our taxpayers being put at
risk either inside the United States or outside the United
States, and we thought we were going to have full debate and
disclosure on this matter when a decision was made without the
involvement of the legislative branch of the United States of
America.
We now have to resort to special parliamentary tactics in order
to bring this measure to a vote on the floor, and the gentleman
is correct, that there are so many questions we want answers to
that we are being asked, which are impossible for us to obtain,
and we think that that is not what the Constitution intended,
that in fact this is not a monarchy, this is not a parliamentary
government. We are not an arm of the executive branch. We have
our own status within the Constitution, and our constituents have
an absolute right to know when their tax dollars are at risk, as
they are, in this agreement, what the terms of that agreement
are, what the terms of repayment are, what the nature of the
collateral is. We need to know how fast money is being drawn
down. Otherwise you cannot make a judgement as to what might
happen in the future.
What type of precedent does this set? It is our understanding
that never has the authority of this particular set of
institutions within the Government of the United States been used
to such a degree, and, therefore, we think there are some very
serious constitutional questions to be asked, as well as
questions to be asked about the nature of the agreement itself.
You know, I say with some humor this evening, "I hope the Mayor
of Washington, DC, will take it in the humor that I offer it,
but, you know that the District of Columbia here in our Nation's
Capital has been having a lot of difficulty with its finances and
is about to go bankrupt. It has been on all the pages here in the
Nation's Capital and in other parts of the country, and we know
that it's going to cost the District of Columbia real money to
bail itself out, and it's money that we don't have in this
Congress."
So I had an idea over the weekend that what we ought to do for
the Mayor of Washington and the citizens of the Nation's Capital
is to get the executive branch involved because they obviously
are very creative in figuring out how to make things happen and
make it seem as though you are not spending any real money, and
they ought to work up a Mexico-type deal for Washington.
MR. DeFAZIO:
Perhaps, if the gentlewoman would yield, I like that idea, and
perhaps what the Government of the District of Columbia could do
would be similar to what Wall Street has been doing.
They can go down to Mexico, get a bunch of pesos, which are
declining rapidly in value, and then they can take and exchange
them to the Federal Reserve Board for United States dollars at a
preferred rate, and by arbitraging this they can probably earn up
to a billion quite readily, and they can pay off their debts.
I mean, if we can do this for the Government of Mexico and the
Wall Street speculators, why would we not do it for the District
of Columbia?
MS. KAPTUR:
I figure, if the Capital of Mexico can draw on the taxpayers of
the United States, why should not the Capital of the United
States be able to draw on the taxpayers of the United States? I
agree with the gentleman, and, knowing that those tesobonos are
paying anywhere between 20 and 40 percent interest rates, the
Mayor of Washington would certainly be well advised to get in on
that because he could probably get the money he needs in a flash.
MR. DeFAZIO:
I bet, if the gentlewoman would yield further, I would imagine,
if the city were to engage, perhaps, Goldman Sachs as their
financial adviser, perhaps they could do very well on this matter
because, if I could go back to the questions the gentlewoman is
asking, as I recall, the gentlewoman from Ohio and a number of us
signed a letter with a series of questions probably 3 weeks ago --
MS. KAPTUR:
There were 13.
MR. DeFAZIO:
To the Treasury and the Secretary of the Treasury and asked many
of these same questions in a just, straightforward, and friendly
manner. We thought it was things it was essential we know before
any sort of bailout go forward.
Have we had any response?
MS. KAPTUR:
I am glad the gentleman put that on the *Record*.
We asked over 12 questions, over a dozen questions; the first
one: Who are the creditors that Mexico was paying off, seeing as
how they were going to be borrowing the money from us to do it.
We wanted to know specifically. We did not want to know some sort
of general answer.
We have received no reply from the Department of Treasury to our
questions.
MR. DeFAZIO:
So, if the gentlewoman would yield further, it is not exactly
like we are sandbagging them with this resolution of inquiry. We
have been waiting 3 weeks on issues of national concern involving
tens of billions of taxpayers' dollars, and we have had no
response to a group of Members of Congress who have asked these
questions.
MS. KAPTUR:
That is correct.
I yield to the gentleman from Ohio [Mr. Brown].
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H.R. 666 <== NOTE THE NUMBER!
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What is H.R. 666, you ask? Here is what Mr. Diaz-Balart says:
H.R. 666 would limit the effect of the exclusionary rule, and
give Federal judges more latitude to admit evidence seized
from those accused of crimes, so long as the search and
seizure in question took place under circumstances providing
the law enforcement officer conducting the search with an
objectively reasonable belief that his actions were in fact
lawful and constitutional. Moreover, H.R. 666 establishes a
shift in the burden of proof. If a search is conducted within
the scope of a warrant, the defendant will have the burden of
providing that the law enforcement officer could not have
reasonably believed that he was acting in conformity with the
fourth amendment.
H.R. 666 builds upon Leon by codifying its holding. A Federal
judge may still suppress evidence if it was seized in knowing
or negligent violation of the Constitution.
Evidence gathered in violation of any statute, administrative
rule or regulation, or rule of procedure would be admissible
unless a statute specifically authorizes exclusion of
evidence. But, the good faith exception would apply and may
render such evidence usable. {1}.
Mr. Diaz-Balart, Member from Florida, goes on to add, "Mr.
Speaker, I strongly support the Exclusionary Rule Reform Act of
1995 and urge adoption of this open rule for its consideration."
{2}.
Mr. Diaz-Balart, Member from Florida: add him to your list of bad
guys.
What's that you say? But this is hard to understand, just like
the Andreuccetti Affair! I also am not 100 percent clear on this,
so far. Here's what another Member, Mr. Beilenson, says:
House Resolution 61, the provisions of which the gentleman
from Florida has well explained, is an open rule. I support
it, and I urge my colleagues to do the same.
I am, however, as are others, concerned about the wisdom of
the provisions of H.R. 666, the bill for which this rule has
been granted. As my colleagues on the Judiciary Committee
have written, H.R. 666 "commits affirmative harm to the
Constitution."
It breaks our Constitution's promise, as expressed in the
fourth amendment, and which has been maintained for over 200
years, that all Americans have the right to be protected from
arbitrary and unfounded governmental invasions of their
homes.
The protections of the fourth amendment have been enforced
through the exclusionary rule, which prohibits prosecutors
from using evidence in criminal cases that has been obtained
in violation of the constitutional guarantee against
unreasonable searches and seizures.
We should not only question the provisions of H.R. 666 which
allow the use of evidence obtained without a warrant as going
beyond permissible police search and seizure powers, but we
must also question whether Congress has the power to change
the exclusionary rule by simple legislation rather than by a
constitutional amendment. Along with many of my colleagues,
Mr. Speaker, I am confident that the constitutionality of
H.R. 666 will be challenged and, I suspect, successfully.
{3}.
Mr. Beilenson: add him to your list of good guys.
The gist of this exclusionary rule business seems to be that, for
example, if you are stopped under the pretext of illegal lane
change, then they find marijuana in your vehicle, then the
original lane change violation gets thrown out, this new "666"
legislation will mean you can still be found guilty on the
marijuana possession. In practice, this will mean that a police
officer can pull you over *for* *anything*, search your vehicle
(he now has "probable cause" based on *whatever* he in "good
faith" decides is a probable cause), and if he finds contraband,
for example, -- *this* *has* *been* *a* *legal* *search*. Even if
the original probable cause that precipitated the search turns
out to be invalid.
What's that you say? You say that you are law-abiding and have
nothing to fear? *Wrong*. You have to fear detainment, search of
your property (and guess what? they don't clean up after
themselves after they have torn apart your house), neighbors
viewing you askance due to the police raid on your property at 4
a.m., nervous police who may shoot you if you make the wrong
move, etc., etc.
And if you are political, man can they go after you now.
Going back to the *Congressional Record*, Mr. Torricelli notes,
The right of persons to be secure in houses, papers and
effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not
be violated, the fourth amendment to the Constitution of the
United States.
Today we are told it is an inconvenience, it is in the way of
the police... {4}
Breaking in... Remember what Officer Jack McLamb (ret.) of the
Phoenix Police said?
...there's been much research, *much* research, and much
documentation to the fact -- and I say *fact*, fellow police
officers (We've got some female police officers here too.
Thank you for coming.), -- but I'm telling you, I want you to
hear this, I'm talking about *fact* that we can prove, we've
got the evidence -- an evidentiary foundation that would
stack as high as *I* am, the evidence, I've seen it -- that
the U.S. government, certain factions of the U.S. government,
have been involved in importing the majority of drugs in the
United States since the '60s. Since 1960.... {5}.
So we've got the U.S. government importing the drugs, making the
drugs illegal, causing crime, then saying "Hey! We need to throw
out the 4th amendment because crime is so bad!"
As McLamb explains,
How do you create anarchy in the streets, now? Well, you've
got to do what the dialectic, the Hegelian dialect, said.
And the Hegelian dialect was something that was conceived to
cause you to do things you wouldn't do unless there was
something serious happening in your community.
Here's the dialectic: The Hegelian principle is,
revolutionaries in government have created economic chaos;
shortages of food, fuel; confiscatory taxation; a crisis in
education; and the threat of war, crime, and other divisions,
to condition Americans for the New World Order. The technique
is as old as politics itself. It is the Hegelic principle to
bring about change in a three step process: the thesis, the
antithesis, and the synthesis.
The first step, the thesis, is to create a problem. Crime.
Let's use that as an example. Drugs. Illegal aliens coming
in. Uh, the economy collapses as the illegal aliens come in.
The economy gets worse. Whatever the problem is, you create
it on purpose, O.K.? That is the thesis.
The antithesis is, to generate opposition to the problem. [CN
-- The reaction to the problem.] Fear. Panic. Hysteria.
And then the synthesis is, to offer the solution to the
problem created in step one! {6}.
So the "solution" to the problem *they* *themselves* *have*
*created* is to throw out the 4th amendment! And namby-pamby
liberals and weekend leftists will staunchly block this
awareness! They will lean back, smile knowingly, and tell you
that you need to do an "institutional analysis"! The 4th
amendment has become "inconvenient", drug dealers have merged
with the government, and "666", literally, has arrived. Yet not
to worry -- just leave it to the anemic and oh-so-fashionable
"intellectuals". Straighten out your turtlenecks, boys, and tell
us again: there are no conspiracies.
Amazingly in all this, Pat "turn in your guns" Schroeder appears
as a "good guy":
Right now Americans are basically protected from illegal
searches and seizures by the fact that, yes, of course, today
the FBI or the BATF or the local police could come and go
through your house, your car, whatever, without a warrant.
But if they find anything, they could not use it against you.
Therefore, that is a real inhibitor. Why would you, as a FBI
agent or a police officer, go running through, stopping
people illegally or searching homes illegally if you could
not use it to prosecute? The idea being now, if you want to
prosecute someone and you have cause, you go get a warrant
and then you go get it. If you take away that, which is what
this bill does -- this bill says if they come through your
house, if they come through your car, if they do not have a
warrant and they find anything, they could still use it --
why would anybody go get a warrant?
So what we are really doing as we adopt this bill is just
totally doing away with the requirement to have a search
warrant, because there is not penalty paid, no penalty at all
paid if they illegally search. {7}.
And you thought this new Congress was supposed to be
conservative! Well, like Gomer Pyle used to say, "Surprise,
surprise, surprise." With a Congress like this, no wonder people
get the wrong idea about conservatives. "It is a great irony that
a new conservatism, believing that government robs people of
their freedom, believing in the right and the sanctity of private
property, would now cause a new exclusion," notes Mr. Torricelli.
{8}. But isn't it just Tweedledum and Tweedledee? Isn't it just
the same bunch of assholes wearing new masks? Could be. *The
Spotlight* notes that "the Democrat-controlled Houses of the
101st and 102nd Congresses passed bills aimed at doing the same
thing -- possibly opening citizens to unconstitutional
warrantless searches." {9}.
You may, especially if you are a new reader of Conspiracy Nation,
be wondering, "Why didn't I see this H.R. 666 in the newspaper?
Why wasn't that nice, smiling Tom Brokaw telling me about this?"
Why you silly person! Don't you know that the O.J. Simpson trial
is so important to your quality of life and to that of your
offspring that the loss of 4th amendment protections must take a
back seat!?
But these *politicos* aren't all slimy scuz. Here are some more
quotes from a couple of Members who upheld their oath to defend
the Constitution.
MR. STUPAK:
Mr. Chairman, I come down here today. I had no intention of
coming down here today until I started listening to the
debate, and the more I listened to it, the more concerned I
have become and the more convinced I am that we need the
amendment proposed by the gentleman from Michigan [Mr.
Conyers].
There are very few principles in our Constitution or in the
amendments in our Bill of Rights that are more sacred than
protecting people and their homes from unreasonable search
and seizures.
As I was in my office discussing matters with some
constituents, the gentleman from North Carolina, who had a
very long and distinguished career in law enforcement, came
up and spoke in favor of H.R. 666, but what the gentleman
said are words to this effect, that the fourth amendment
applies only to law-abiding citizens, as he was 2 months ago.
I say to my colleague, "The fourth amendment applies to
everyone in this country, whether you're a law-abiding
citizen, whether you are driving down the road and being
stopped by the police, or whether you are walking home at
night and being stopped by the police. We are all citizens,
and we all have the protection of the fourth amendment
against unreasonable search and seizures."
Having been a police officer for 12 years, 12 years of having
worked the road while I was a police officer, I also went
back and got my law degree and was assigned to special
investigations. I also taught constitutional law, search and
seizure and criminal law at the Michigan State police
academies, and I continued to work the road and to do special
investigations.
No matter who you are, the fourth amendment applies to you.
We do not know when the resources of the State or local or
Federal Government will turn their resources on you, and you
then become a suspect. You do not suddenly lose your fourth
amendment rights. You cannot lose these rights. {10}.
And Congressman Rush, of Chicago:
MR. RUSH:
Mr. Chairman, I rise in strong opposition to this
exclusionary rule, this move to enact H.R. 666. Mr. Chairman,
as I sat in my office and listened to the debate, I must tell
Members of this body that I became more terrified about this
piece of legislation than I have been about any legislation
that I have been asked to consider as a Member of this body
since I was elected to this office representing the First
Congressional District of Illinois.
A little over 25 years ago, Mr. Chairman, there was an
illegal search and seizure conducted by the Chicago Police
Department within the city of Chicago.
As a result of that illegal search and seizure, admittedly
illegal search and seizure by the Chicago Police Department,
two individuals were killed [Fred Hampton and Mark Clark],
seven individuals were wounded. They also, the survivors of
that particular raid in the city of Chicago, had the right to
sue. They did sue. The county of Cook settled out of court,
but it did not bring life back to the two individuals who
were killed. That was December 4, 1969.
December 5, 1969, Mr. Chairman, my apartment was also raided
illegally, supposedly in search of guns. They did not come
with a warrant. They came with weapons pulled, weapons
blazing. They shot my door down.
Fortunately I was not at the apartment. My family was not at
the apartment at that time. They entered my apartment, did
not find any weapons, but yet and still, they justified it,
Mr. Chairman, Members of this body, by saying that they, in
fact, did find contraband in my apartment; they did find a
bag of what they identified at the time [as] a bag of
marijuana in my apartment.
Mr. Chairman, upon further research and upon actions by my
attorneys at the time, my attorneys took them to court, and
in court they indicated that that bag of marijuana, where
they had shot my door down, guns blazing, threatening; had I
been there, I would have been killed also, and my family
would have been killed, wiped out totally, they found that
that bag they called marijuana was nothing more than bird
seed.
[...]
Mr. Chairman, I must say to you that although at the time, 25
or more years ago, a little over 25 years ago, back in the
city of Chicago we felt as though we had no friends. We felt
as though the power of this Nation was coming down on our
backs as young men who felt, young men and women, who felt
that we wanted to challenge the status quo.
I must say that it was Members of this body led by the
distinguished gentlemen from Michigan who did come into
Chicago, the Congressional Black Caucus, and put the skids,
put the skids on the type of police atrocities and police
violations of the law and police murder that was occuring in
the city of Chicago, put the skids on that. They came in, and
they conducted a hearing, and because they did focus national
attention on what was happening in Chicago, police forces
there backed up and subsequently were found, they admitted,
that they had no legal grounds to murder two individuals, and
so they had no legal grounds to come into my apartment to
seize and to search and seize in my apartment and to charge
me with a felony of which it was baseless. It was groundless.
It was only an excuse, only an excuse, Mr. Chairman, to take
my life away.
I must tell you that today that is the issue that is at stake
for many, many Americans, whether or not we are going to have
police forces throughout this Nation, any police force, given
the arbitrary power for political reasons to invade someone's
privacy, to invade their homes under the guise of arbitrary
decisions that they want to make. {11}.
-------------------------<< Notes >>-----------------------------
{1} *Congressional Record*, H1315, Feb. 7, 1995
{2} Ibid.
{3} Ibid.
{4} *Congressional Record*, H1320, Feb. 7, 1995
{5} Conspiracy Nation, Vol. 2, Num. 63
{6} Conspiracy Nation, Vol. 1, Num. 82.
{7} *Congressional Record*, H1322, Feb. 7, 1995
{8} *Congressional Record*, H1320, Feb. 7, 1995
{9} *The Spotlight*, Feb. 20, 1995, Vol. XXI, Num. 8, p. 1.
{10} *Congressional Record*, H1324-H1325, Feb. 7, 1995
{11} *Congressional Record*, H1330-H1331, Feb. 7, 1995
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OLLIE NORTH UNDER SCRUTINY AGAIN FOR DRUG RUNNING
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>From *The New Federalist*, Feb. 13, 1995
By Edward Spannaus
Feb. 7 (EIRNS) -- Oliver North's deep involvement in illegal
drug-smuggling and gun-running -- which was highlighted during
last fall's election campaign -- is again drawing attention.
Ollie claimed during the Virginia Senatorial campaign that he was
the "most investigated man on this planet." So far, he hasn't
been, not by a long shot, but it could still happen, if some
people get their way.
It is widely known that a major exposure of the 1980s Mena, Ark.
gun-running and drug-running operation is in the works {1}, an
exposure which will hit Ollie North very hard. The story was,
until recently, scheduled to run in the Washington Post, and was
reportedly killed {2} after many weeks of review by that
newspaper's editors, but informed sources in Washington expect
that it will soon be published in another location.
While many want to portray the Mena story as a piece of the
Whitewater scandals being run against President Clinton, the
truth is that Clinton has little to do with it." {3}.
The real scandal of Mena centers around Ollie North and George
Bush. The Mena airfield in western Arkansas was one of many
locations used for drug-running operations which involved Ollie
North's Contra networks in Central America. North's supervision
of a massive drug-smuggling operation run by Contra operatives
was exposed during last fall's election campaign by former Drug
Enforcement Administration agent Celerino Castillo {4} and
others; Castillo showed, for example, that all of North's pilots
flying out of the Ilopango military airfield in El Salvador were
documented to be drug-traffickers.
One of the key operatives in Arkansas for Ollie North's Contra
apparatus was Larry Nichols {5}, who is now going around the
country threatening President Clinton {6} and peddling Whitewater
stories. {7}. It was because Nichols was spending state time and
money working with Oliver North and the Contras, that Clinton
fired him from an Arkansas state job in 1988. {8}. Nichols was in
regular contact with Nicaraguan Contra leaders such as Mario and
Adolpho Calero in New Orleans, and with Gen. Richard Secord, who
ran the Contra re-supply operation for North and George Bush.
Yes, George Bush. Contrary to the myths about "Iran-Contra" being
run by a lone Lt. Colonel out of the National Security Council,
the truth is that these and many other, less well-publicized,
dirty and illegal covert operations were run out of the office of
Vice President George Bush while Ronald Reagan was President; the
"Contra" operation, for example, including especially guns and
drugs, was directed from the Vice President's office and was
supervised by Bush's national security adviser and former CIA
colleague, Donald Gregg.
-+- Ollie's Drug Depot -+-
The controversial Mena article which the Washington Post has
refused to run, was co-authored by former National Security
Council official Roger Morris and investigative reporter Sally
Denton, and is based on more than 2,000 documents concerning
Barry Seal, a major drug-runner and DEA/CIA informant who was
shot to death in 1986.
Seal operated out of the Mena airfield in western Arkansas from
1981 to 1986, flying guns out and drugs in. The documents
utilized by Morris and Denton in their article include Seal's
bank records, telephone records, and personal correspondence and
diaries, as well as extensive law-enforcement records.
The Seal records confirm what is already well-known: that Mena
was being used to fly weapons into Central America, and that
drugs were brought back on the return flights. All of the
numerous efforts to investigate the Mena operation during the
Reagan and Bush administrations were blocked on "national
security" grounds.
These dirty operations were run out of Bush's office under the
nominal authority of National Security Decision Directives Nos. 2
and 3, issued early in the Reagan administration. Out of these
came the Special Situation Group (SSG), headed by the Vice
President; and then came the Crisis Pre-Planning Group, an inter-
agency coordinating body whose staff coordinator was Oliver
North. Under NSDD-2 and NSDD-3, George Bush was in charge of the
entire "secret government" apparatus -- which not only ran covert
operations overseas, but also against U.S. citizens at home.
This was the true story of "Iran-Contra," which was never
investigated either by Congress or by Special Prosecutor Lawrence
Walsh. Now, with new evidence about Mena circulating, and in the
aftermath of North's failed Senate campaign, there is a climate
building which could finally result in the first full
investigation of the crimes of George Bush and his flunky, Oliver
North. {9}.
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{1} "It is widely known that a major exposure of the 1980s Mena,
Ark. gun-running and drug-running operation is in the works..."
See, for example, *The Spotlight*, Feb. 20, 1995, p. 11:
Skolnick said the Clintons are on a collision course with
their "upcoming downfall," and cited numerous reasons for it,
including the "singing" of Webster Hubbell, prosecutors
wanting to open a Vince Foster case and testimony from
Chicago about a "missing $47 million" that once belonged to
the Resolution Trust Corporation.
{2} "...scheduled to run in the Washington Post, and was
reportedly killed..." See, for example, *The London Sunday
Telegraph*, Jan. 29, 1995, "Arkansas Drug Expose Misses the
Post".
{3} "...the truth is that Clinton has little to do with it."
*Relatively* little would be more accurate. Clinton and the gang
profited enormously, according to Sherman Skolnick and others.
For a good look at Clinton's Arkansas, see "The Name of Rose" by
L.J. Davis, *The New Republic*, April 4, 1994.
{4} Expose of drug-smuggling run by Contra operatives. See, for
example, Conspiracy Nation, Vol. 2, Num. 53, and Vol. 2, Nums.
63-67.
{5} Regarding the *New Federalist* allegations on Larry Nichols:
unsubstantiated. If *New Federalist* has evidence, let's see
and/or hear it.
{6} Regarding the *New Federalist* allegations that Nichols is
going around the country threatening President Clinton: that is
ridiculous. It is against the law to threaten the President (or
anyone). If Nichols were doing what *New Federalist* is saying,
he would have long since been visited by the Secret Service.
{7} Regarding the *New Federalist* allegations that Nichols is
"peddling Whitewater stories": Nichols has stated time and again
that he makes no profit from his "Whitewater stories". Also,
LaRouche, if you're out there and if the Vatican will let you
respond, are the following persons *also* "peddling Whitewater
stories"?
a) Pat Matrisciana, Citizens for Honest Government;
b) Judge Jim Johnson: "My God, Larry Nichols was right.";
c) Mrs. Jerry Parks: "What Jerry had in those files could
have unseated this President.";
d) Gary Parks: "I have no doubt that Clinton himself, or
people behind Clinton, had my father murdered.";
e) Officer John Brown, retired police officer involved in
investigating the Henry/Ives death case.;
f) Scott Wheeler, reporter and talk show host;
g) Authors Terry Reed and John Cummings;
h) *Many* others.
{8} Regarding *New Federalist's* claim that Clinton fired Nichols
for working with North and the Contras: *that* is ridiculous.
Nichols, in fact, was threatening to blow the whistle on Clinton
and the gang. For further details on the whole rotten mess, see,
for example, *Compromised* by Terry Reed and John Cummings -- a
book, by the way, that *New Federalist* has praised highly.
{9} "...a climate building which could finally result in the
first full investigation of the crimes of George Bush, etc." With
a Republican Congress, the Republicans are gonna let Bush and his
gang get investigated?? I have major doubts.
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THE MEXICAN RESCUE PACKAGE
[From The Congressional Record -- House, H1271-H1278, Feb. 6, 1995]
[...continued...]
MR. BROWN of Ohio:
You know, as bad as we thought, as bad an idea as we thought the
bailout was 3 weeks ago, in the last few days, with Alan
Greenspan and the Federal Reserve raising interest rates in this
country, it only exacerbates the problem in Mexico. If you
remember 2 weeks ago, 3 weeks ago, Mr. Greenspan was all over the
Congress, lobbying, talking to Republicans, talking to Democrats,
meeting with Speaker Gingrich, talking to the President,
everybody he could, about this Mexican bailout on the one hand.
Then on the other hand we began to hear stories that he was
leaking out that the Federal Reserve is about to increase
interest rates.
When that happens, when interest rates are increased in this
country, which happened last week, in addition to what it does to
home buying, homebuilding, the cost of credit, the costs to
borrowed money for small businesses, all the hurt that puts on
the economy, what it does with the Mexico situation is simply
pull the rug out from under this whole bailout situation whereas
the price, the cost, as the dollar gets stronger, the peso by
definition gets weaker, which means that the $16 billion or so
that Mexico already owes back to western investors gets more
expensive so that it decreases the chance of pay back. It means
those loan guarantees and direct loans may in fact not be paid
back, but increases the chances there, and at the same time it
undercuts the whole ability of the Mexican Government to get back
on its feet in the Mexican society.
It simply does not make sense that the Federal Reserve did both
of those things, or the Federal Reserve Chairman did both of
those things the same month.
MS. KAPTUR:
If I might reclaim my time just for a second, does it not
interest you that over the last year the Federal Reserve of our
country raised interest rates six times, and during that period
of time, of course, it became more lucrative for funds to be
drawn into the United States and away from Mexico? This was all
going on at the same time. We were asking ourselves why are
interest rates going up in the United States when there is no
inflation.
MR. BROWN of Ohio:
American investors were benefiting. There were incentive for
American investors to pull their money out, and that is what
accelerated the whole downward plunge of the peso. You couple the
politics of NAFTA, that the Mexican Government and the American
Government did not want any peso devaluation during NAFTA, the
Mexican government did not want any peso devaluation, although it
could have been done in small increments during their own
Presidential elections. So the politics of Mexico and the easy
availability of money sent to Mexico, and the American bankers
and American investors sending their money down there, the
Mexicans glad to receive it, certainly with the NAFTA stamp of
approval, yes, our Government was saying it is O.K. to invest
there, all played into this.
MS. KAPTUR:
If I might yield time to the gentleman from Vermont [Mr.
Sanders].
MR. SANDERS:
I thank the gentlewoman from Ohio. We are back together again,
right.
MR. DeFAZIO:
After hours.
MR. SANDERS:
Fourteen months ago many of us, all of us, and many other of our
colleagues told the American people that we thought the NAFTA
agreement was going to be a disaster. On the other side we had
the President, we had the Republican leadership, we had virtually
every major corporate newspaper in America, who were telling us
what a wonderful deal NAFTA was going to be for American workers,
for Mexican workers, and for the people in general.
Fourteen months have come and gone, and sadly, sadly, virtually
every concern that we had at that time has proven to be true. And
after the 14 months, instead of our friends who supported NAFTA
coming forward and saying, "O.K., we admit it, we made a mistake,
we were wrong, everybody is wrong, they were wrong"; but instead
of coming forward and saying they were wrong, what they now come
forward and say is, "Hey, we need a $40-plus billion loan
guarantee to Mexico, because NAFTA has been such a success that
the Mexican economy is disintegrating, their Government is
extremely unstable, and therefore, at a time when small business
in America is in trouble and we do not offer them loan
guarantees, family farmers in America, we do not offer them loan
guarantees, we have a $200 billion deficit."
And what irritates me very much is every single day on the floor
of this House, Members of Congress say, "Hey, we have to cut back
on Social Security, on Medicare, on Medicaid, on nutrition
programs for hungry children and hungry senior citizens. We have
got to do that." We do not have enough money. And yet apparently
there is not quite that concern for putting $40 billion of
taxpayers' money at risk for this bailout.
The first point I would like to make this evening in terms of
this bailout is it is very interesting who is for it and who is
against it. Polls indicate, I think the latest poll I saw is that
some 80 percent of the American people are against this bailout.
Maybe some of the viewers would say, well, obviously all the
Mexican people are for this bailout.
Wrong. Polls indicate, as I understand it, that a healthy
majority of Mexicans are against the bailout because they are
concerned about the sovereignty of their nation.
MR. BROWN of Ohio:
If the gentleman will yield, including one of the major
presidential candidates in Mexico who has come out against and
spoken at a rally of literally tens of thousands of Mexicans, I
would add.
MR. SANDERS:
So you have the American people against the bailout, you have the
Mexican people against the bailout. And one of the frustrations
that all of us share is that we know that, if that vote had come
to the floor of the House, the U.S. Congress, House and Senate,
Republicans and Democrats, and the only independent, were all
against the bailout.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
How did the gentleman vote on this issue?
MR. SANDERS:
Well, that is a very interesting question. I was about to vote no
for the bailout. Unfortunately, it never came to the floor of the
House. I have not yet voted on it.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
How did Ms. Kaptur vote on the issue?
MS. KAPTUR:
On this bailout issue, we have not had a chance to vote on it.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
How did the Speaker of the House vote on the issue?
MS. KAPTUR:
The Speaker of the House has not had a chance to vote on this
matter.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
The chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means, the chairman of
the Committee on Appropriations?
MS. KAPTUR:
The chairman of the Committee on Appropriations I spoke with the
other day. There has been no bill referred to his committee.
There is not a bill that has been brought up here to the
Congress.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
Twenty billion dollars of American tax dollars, and there was not
a vote in the Congress of the United States. Is that what you are
telling me?
MS. KAPTUR:
There has not been a vote here in the Congress of the United
States.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
When will Congress get a chance to vote on this?
MS. KAPTUR:
We were trying very hard to get a vote, hopefully tomorrow. We
introduced a bill on Friday. Because the Speaker will not bring
up the bill, we have to use very unusual procedures to force a
bill on the floor, which we expect will come up tomorrow sometime
after 11 o'clock, under very prescribed rules where we will have
very little opportunity to debate. But we have not been able to
get any hearings in the committees of any significance. We have
not been able to get a bill. The executive branch did this
completely on their own, without the Congress being involved.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
Ms. Kaptur, is it really fair to say the executive branch did
this entirely on their own? Let us go back the 13 months that my
friend Mr. Sanders made reference to. What was then minority
whip, now Speaker of the House Gingrich's position on NAFTA?
MS. KAPTUR:
Mr. Gingrich was a very strong supporter of NAFTA, and in fact
when NAFTA got in trouble, he ended up rounding up the votes to
ultimately pass it. There were I think 43 votes that were
switched at the end.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
So again going back to what Mr. Sanders had to say, what
incentive then does Speaker of the House Gingrich have to bring
this to a vote? After all, his folks got their $20 billion. The
American people are left holding the bag. Four hundred and
thirty-five Congressmen never voted on it. Folks back home do not
know if they were for it or against it. What recourse is there
for a Member of Congress who feels like his constituents have
gotten the short end of this stick and that his constituents'
children have gotten the short end of the stick? After all, they
have already lent $20 billion. But it is my understanding, please
correct me if I am wrong, there is $35 billion in this fund. That
means there is $15 billion still to be left at the whim of the
President. To put that as a reference to the citizens of this
country, $35 billion is roughly what this Nation will spend on
its veterans this year. Yet, you are telling me, without a vote
in this body, up to $35 billion can be pledged by the United
States, with little or no guarantee that it will ever be repaid.
As a matter of fact, I have heard the Mexicans have made only one
debt payment one time in the past dozen years or so.
[...to be continued...]
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P O T P O U R R I
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ITEM: From *New Federalist*, 2/13/95, "New Intensity in Brit War
on Clinton" by Scott Thompson: "Writing in the Times of London
Feb. 6, he [Lord Rees-Mogg] titled his piece, 'Even Watergate was
small beer compared to this: Despite a phony calm, President
Clinton is besieged by investigations into his dubious past.'"
"Claims Rees-Mogg, 'As soon as one starts to talk to
Washington insiders, one realizes that President Clinton is
trapped by a process of inquiry from which he would be unlikely
to escape, even if he were wholly innocent of any wrongdoing. And
he is far from that. There are at least six separate processes,
each of which could be fatal to the President.'"
Lord Rees-Mogg "throws the kitchen sink at Clinton:
allegations of drug-trafficking and money laundering; the
Whitewater business itself; sexual harassment of Paula Jones; the
'suicide deaths' of a host of people, like former White House
Deputy Counsel Vincent Foster, and so on. His lordship concludes:
'Arkansas is corrupt, like Mexico is corrupt... It may have been
impossible for Bill Clinton to keep his hands clean, but his
great mistake was to think that he could go from being Governor
of Arkansas, a deeply corrupted state, to being a U.S. President
without the truth emerging.'"
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ITEM: From *New Federalist*, 2/13/95, "New Intensity in Brit War
on Clinton" by Scott Thompson: In the same article as above,
Thompson adds, "The British and pro-British press campaign
against the President derives from this strategic conflict, and
is meant to pave the way for the assassination of Clinton, who
has a worse security situation than any recent President,
including JFK."
Let me add that it is to be hoped that NO violence occurs to
President Clinton; in the most *unwanted* and *unfortunate* event
of such a tragedy, it is unlikely that the American people will
ever hear the whole truth of what has been going on. Let us hope
for safety for the President so that he can stand trial and we
can learn the whole truth.
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ITEM: From *The Washington Times*, National Weekly Edition, Feb.
13-19, 1995, "Tyson Aide Protests Probe in Hill Visits": "The
principal spokesman for Tyson Foods Inc. is visiting
congressional offices to complain about independent counsel
Donald Smaltz and his investigation of the company's ties to
former Agriculture Secretary Mike Espy... Bob Schiff, a staff
attorney for Public Citizen's Congress Watch, said the contacts
could be interpreted as 'asking members of Congress to intervene
in what is potentially a criminal matter... Our assumption is
that that is what is being sought even if the words are not
said... An investigation by an independent counsel ought to be
hands off as far as political pressure goes.'"
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I received the following from a CN reader who wishes to remain
anonymous. What I plan to do is post the entire document over a
period of time, most likely in weekly installments. Here is part 14.
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CONSPIRACY:
THE INVISIBLE SECOND RUNG OF GOVERNMENT
An Investigation and Discussion of that Part of the United
States Government Which We Did Not Elect, Which Is Not
Accountable, Which Is Unconstitutional, Which Is Engaged In
Unlawful and Unconstitutional Activity, and Then Hides Behind
the National Security Act of 1947
PART I :
CITATION AND SUMMARY OF SOURCES
(continued)
39. Thompson, Linda, Waco, The Big Lie Continues (aka Waco II),
American Justice Federation, Indianapolis, Indiana, 1994. Thompson is an
attorney and researcher into government corruption. Summary: Documents
government complicity in the murder of the people at Waco, Texas and
examines why the government lied in their official independent
investigations of Waco.
A photograph of the front door of Waco the morning ATF arrived
shows there is a child outside, close to the front door as the ATF began
wildly firing. The facial "features of the child were deliberately
blurred by someone" in order to prevent recognition. The child has been
identified as probably David Koresh's eight-year-old little boy. "After
the raid these agents were captured on film running with a small body to
an ambulance."
"Other children were killed that day, too, as a helicopter fired
down into the house." One of the grandmothers testified to this.
Children who lived through the raid drew pictures for the psychiatrists
showing many bullets coming through the roof.
Dick De Guerin, the attorney who had entered during the siege,
said he had seen the room and bullet holes where the helicopter had fired
down, killing a nursing mother and children. But he, nor his former
college classmate, FBI Director William Sessions, shared any of this with
the public until after Mr. Carmel had been destroyed with fire and
bulldozed over.
The 911 recordings between the Branch Davidians and Sheriff's
Deputy are evidence of the Branch Davidian's frequent references to the
helicopter firing in on them. "They are clearly terrified of them." In
these 911 tapes and in a radio interview, David Koresh said that "the ATF
killed his children."
A photo of one of the helicopters used in the raid clearly shows
a 308 machine gun mounted in the doorway. The words "United States Army"
are marked on the helicopter tail. The government said that the three
helicopters used in the raid "were unarmed National Guard helicopters."
"The [Treasury Department] report admits that Janet Reno lied
when she told us that David Koresh had refused to send out video tapes
showing the condition of the children." The report also admits Koresh
did send out a tape and the government was concerned that if the public
saw this tape that "Koresh would gain much sympathy."
Two men from Indiana drove day and night to bring baby food and
chicken feed requested by the Branch Davidians. Despite their peaceful
mission, they were arrested. "Their crime? Bringing baby food to Mt.
Carmel. This occurred only three days before Janet Reno claimed that the
government assault with tanks was out of 'concern for the children.'"
A tank, which had been stationed over the outdoor underground
tunnel, had "agents getting in and out over the underground
bunker....Smoke was pouring from the underground bunker less than five
minutes before a tank smashed the end of the house," collapsing it down
over the trap door to the bunker. "Anyone in the bunker was trapped. No
one in the house would be able to run to the safety of the bunker to
escape the deadly gas and flame."
Autopsies of the children showed that many of them died from
blunt trauma. Coroner Rodney Crowe said that large chunks of concrete
from the bunker had fallen on these people. Twenty-one died from gunshot
wounds and the rest died of smoke inhalation and suffocation from being
buried in debris when the bunker collapsed.
"So now we know why the Treasury Department, the White House, the
ATF, and the Justice Department were so desperately lying to us all
along." The government repeatedly claimed that their attack on Mt.
Carmel, the gassing, the raid, and the destruction of evidence was all
because of their "concerns for the children."
Lloyd Bentson is head of the Treasury Department, which is
responsible for the ATF. This is the same man who chose three supposedly
independent investigators to analyze what happened in the "police
firebombing of the headquarters of a group called Move in Philadelphia."
Yet the three investigators he chose had each been directly involved in
either the planning, execution, or cover-up of this disaster which ended
in a fiery situation similar to Waco.
Similarly, his investigation of Waco also contains flaws. He had
promised a report that would be a thorough and vigorous investigation of
events leading up to Waco. Instead the title of his report is
"Investigation of Vernon Wayne Howell."
Within this report, they persist in calling the Davidian home "'a
heavily armed, fortresslike compound' even though we've all seen by now
that the house was a simply constructed masonite exterior frame home."
The report begins with a page devoted to the memory of the four
deceased ATF agents. This is clearly biased reporting.
In an internal Treasury Department memo the government's
perspective is that the "'agents will be raiding a Branch Davidian Seventh
Day Adventist Church.' It doesn't get any plainer than this....The
military set out to conduct an assault on a church." The memo goes on to
say they will be assisted by "local, state, and military authorities" in
their military terroristic assault on one hundred forty men, women, and
children in a church.
The Treasury Department report berated ATF for not cancelling the
raid once they lost the element of surprise. ATF Director and others
were forced to resign, with full pensions.
The ATF tried to make it seem as if they were admitting to error
by losing the surprise element. But, in fact, they had had the Branch
Davidians under surveillance for a month from the house across the street
and knew the land surrounding the Branch Davidians was totally flat.
Having hundreds of ATF agents arriving in cattle cars visible for miles
away was a plan that held no possibility of surprise.
Also, the report admits that ATF's own public relations person
contacted several TV stations several days before the raid. So, the
claim that they lost the element of surprise seems ridiculous when it
appears they never wanted it in the first place.
The lie that the element of surprise was lost was aided by the
media repeatedly playing a very edited piece of film showing an ATF agent
being fired upon. But later it was evident that he was fired upon by his
own men.
Within a week after Mt. Carmel was burned to the ground, NBC
aired the government's official propaganda as a film, depicting Branch
Davidians waiting at the windows for the ATF and greeting them with a
hail of bullets. Yet the report admits that U.S. Special Forces planned
the raid and trained the agents. And, the Army's Psychological
Operations Training Manual, "a how-to on propaganda, says that making a
movie is an important element of military occupation."
Another lie in this report is that the ATF rescheduled its raid
from March 1 to February 28. But the warrants weren't signed until
February 25, expired on February 28, and were not even filed until March
1. The raid was never moved up a day. "The ATF is lying when they say
they moved the raid up a day so as not to lose the element of surprise."
A TV reporter, a cameraman, and an initial Associated Press
release all reported that one hundred ATF agents stormed the front door
at Waco throwing grenades, with no mention of any hail of bullets being
sprayed at them or Branch Davidians waiting for them at the windows in
any of these first reports.
The Branch Davidians reacted in the normal way any American
citizen would react if their home was invaded by armed terrorists - they
called 911. Eyewitnesses and the 911 recording show the terror of these
Branch Davidians. The Treasury Report itself admits David Koresh came to
the front door, opened it, and yelled, "What's going on?" The report
claims agents knocked at the door, told him they had a warrant, and
yelled, "Freeze. Get down." Yet the plan for the raid shows nothing
with this in the plan. Instead, it outlines "dynamic entry," wherein ATF
teams were to burst through doors and windows with no announcement
whatsoever.
The report claims that gunfire from the Branch Davidians "was so
great that the door bowed outward." Yet photographs at the time show no
bowing in the door and bullet holes going inward only, not outward.
"There are no Branch Davidians at any of the windows" either.
A TV station's video shows scenes of the raid when ATF claims
Branch Davidians were supposedly creating a barrage of gunfire from all
the windows at the agents. Yet the video shows no bullets hitting any
agents, kicking up dust near the agents, nor breaking any windows of the
cars the agents were hiding behind.
Another piece of video shows many agents climbing ladders onto
the roof of the home. Many agents are carrying sub-machine guns and no
one is shooting at them, nor are there any Branch Davidians at the
windows here either. According to the ATF plan this event was to have
happened within thirty-three seconds of the beginning of the raid. Once
on the roof, several agents take quite some time breaking into a second
story window. During the entire break-in, no Branch Davidians came to
the window or shot at them.
The ATF claims no helicopter had guns during the raid. But in
each segment of film wherein a helicopter approaches the house, "we also
found a cut in the tape footage," as well as many signs of heavy sound
altering at crucial places on the tape. "The sounds do not coincide with
what can be seen." Despite the fact that six different kinds of fire
arms are shot from so many different directions, the sound of each bullet
is virtually the same, background sounds cut in and out, and there are
places on the tape with total silence, "all signs of heavy editing."
The trajectory of some of these bullets prove they came from
almost directly above the roof, straight down, evidence that helicopters
did fire down through the roof.
Individual agents' stories do not coincide with the official ATF
story. And the official ATF story keeps changing.
One agent was probably shot by his own men. Three of the four
agents shot that day had been presidential body guards, admitted by
Clinton. All these agents killed were never treated at a hospital, but
by a private physician. Not only did they all have multiple wounds, "but
three of them had virtually identical wounds, a shot to the left temple
that exited through the rear of the head, professional execution-style."
In addition, the autopsy on one of them recovered a bullet fragment
consistent with the kind of bullet used by the helicopter machine guns.
The coroner in charge of the autopsies of these agents, Dr.
Peerwani, has been sued numerous times, once for leaving someone on the
table an hour and a half before realizing they were still alive, and
another time for losing a portion of the body most crucial for the
strangulation death being investigated at the time. What one doctor
thought was a field tracheotomy hole, Peerwani thought was a bullet
hole. Yet, he was the one chosen that the whole case rests upon and the
one to testify at trial.
The report describes an incident where one ATF agent had
staggered to where three other agents were pinned down behind a shed and
collapsed on them. Then one of the three agents administered first aid
to the collapsed agent's arm until the cease-fire ninety minutes later.
But, video of this incident shows that "these agents are not pinned
down," nor are they dodging bullets. "The agent on the ground is
half-in, half-out of a body bag. He did not stagger to that position
from anywhere wearing a body bag. He is simply laying there stone cold"
with no one attending him, while the other agents attempt to hide him
from the camera.
According to the report, agents were supposed to already be in
the chapel. Then, as video shows, other agents threw grenades and shot
firearms into that chapel. It's no wonder their agents were killed,
shot, and that so many received shrapnel wounds.
Tape recordings of conversations between the police department
and the surveillance house across the street indicate someone named
Starleen Riddle was acting in the role of surveillance at the house
across the street. Two women and one man who had lived at Mt. Carmel
were all named Riddle. What are these connections?
The report lied again when they said the police department
recorded the call when it came in on 911. The recording clearly contains
the sounds of the Branch Davidian punching in the phone number 911 while
they were initiating the call before there was any connection. This
could have only come from a phone tap. But, they had no warrant to do
so, a violation of law.
Two Branch Davidians were gone, but heard about the raid on the
radio, and tried to return home. Troopers, instead of searching them or
arresting them, "allowed them to pass the roadblock and walk towards
home." According to autopsy reports, one of them was killed with seven
bullets in the back, wounds consistent with distant sniper bullets. Yet,
the report claims these Branch Davidians began firing at ATF in an
attempt to escape Mr. Carmel.
Two of these ATF agents were indicted by the government for
conspiracy to commit murder in this case, based on another ATF agent's
statement. But the ATF is still trying to cover it up by staying with
their press releases that say these Branch Davidians opened fire first in
an attempt to shoot their way out of Mt. Carmel. It makes no sense that
Schroeder, one of the Branch Davidians in this case, was trying to shoot
his way out, when, in fact, he was trying to get home to his wife and
child inside Mr. Carmel. Schroeder's body was left right where it fell
for a full five days before a helicopter finally came and carried it off
on a grappling hook "like a side of beef on a meat hook."
"In reading the report, each time the ATF is criticized for
something it did not do but should have done, it appears to be merely a
cover-up of what they did in fact do (i.e., the ATF is criticized for
losing the element of surprise, which is not even an issue; the ATF is
criticized for not using helicopters that had the ability to fire live
rounds, but they did; the ATF is criticized for not using any automatic
weapons, but they used plenty; and, the ATF is criticized for not using a
Delta Force consultant, but they did).
"Has it come to this in the United States of America, that
federal agents investigating a tax violation are complaining because they
needed machine guns, special forces military training, and tanks to raid
a church?"
Conveniently, the local newspaper began a series of well
organized propaganda to smear and scandalize the church, namely that
Koresh abused children, had many wives, and thought he was God. The
source for all these stories were "always the same handful of people:"
-Victoria Hollingsworth, from England, who was in Mt. Carmel during the
siege, but was allowed to leave with no harm coming to her while the
siege was still happening.
-Lisa and Peter Gent from Australia.
-James Thom and his wife from Australia.
-Robin Bunds, a former Branch Davidian who had a child by David Koresh, a
child who is "Koresh's only known surviving heir, standing to inherit
Koresh's sizable estate."
-Jeanine Bunds, Robin's mother, also claimed to be one of Koresh's
lovers. Robin and her mother are the primary sources that Koresh had
many wives.
-Marc Breault and his wife, "originally from Hawaii but living in
Australia." Marc was the original source claiming child molestation. He
said he had personally seen a young girl leaving Koresh's bedroom. But
Marc Breault has been legally blind for a long time.
-David Jewell became a supporter of child abuse allegations when a child
custody battle came up between he and his wife, a member of the church.
Marc Breault had approached David Jewell and volunteered to help David
get custody of his daughter.
Breault originally called the State Department and the Cult
Awareness Network (CAN) and made his allegations. CAN "targets religious
groups around the country for hate campaigns in the media." Regardless
of which religious group, CAN always has the same allegations to make,
"perverted sex, child abuse, and brain-washing."
The Anti-Defamation League provides funding for CAN. "The
Anti-Defamation League was recently indicted in California and in
Virginia for illegal spying on United States citizens and engaging in
covert information gathering activities in conjunction with law
enforcement personnel. By saying what CAN wants to hear, disgruntled
members quickly enlist CAN's aid and the media's ear."
The County Sheriff of Waco said that child abuse charges are
totally baseless, since he had already investigated them initially.
Rick Ross, a convicted jewel thief and presently under indictment
for kidnapping, is a self-proclaimed expert on deprogramming with no
known credentials. Yet, he had continual access to FBI negotiators, who
allowed him to advise them but ignored "advice from numerous theologians
and genuine psychological counselors."
NBC has had Attorney Linda Thompson's first video, Waco, The Big
Lie, since Thompson mailed it to them the day the video was completed.
Instead of showing it, NBC is committing fraud in an attempt to discredit
the video. "We have a press that cooperates with the government and lies
to us."
During Waco there were three instances uncovered so far where the
government used unlawful force and deadly force to keep the press out.
In one instance, a video shows a reporter being beaten by one government
agent, while another government agent screams, "Get that camera out of
here." In another instance, Attorney Linda Thompson was detained at a
road block when leaving Waco. An ATF agent kept a sub-machine gun
pointed at her head, while he kept his finger on the trigger. Then, her
car was illegally searched with no warrant. These are examples of "how
the government deals with the press that aren't hand-picked to tell you
lies."
If, after having their phones illegally tapped, their home broken
into, grenades thrown at them, their children killed, their families
gassed, their windows broken, their home rammed by tanks, being fired
upon by helicopters, their babies burned, and their pleas for food, help,
and justice go unanswered, "did finally fire back, they have Texas law on
their side." The law says that resisting arrest is justified if done for
self-protection because the arresting officer uses greater force than
necessary in order to make the arrest.
The government cut off all Branch Davidians' communications and
sealed them off from the rest of the world, "making sure the world would
not know the Branch Davidians' side of things." Yet, they had no warrant
to do these things, thereby committing a felony. The only way the rest
of the world knew what was happening was through an FBI agent's selective
telling at a daily press conference, where only the FBI's hand-picked
press were allowed to attend.
"The Department of Justice Report admits many of the things
Americans saw with their own eyes in Waco, The Big Lie." It admits that
Branch Davidians were tortured for fifty-one days; that Peter Gent, a
young boy, was shot on top of the water tower and left there for days,
while the government repeatedly refused the Branch Davidians' requests
for his body to be cared for properly; that Branch Davidians were told by
the FBI negotiators they could not come out, while simultaneously the
American people were being told the Branch Davidians would not come out;
and, that those Branch Davidians who did come out had grenades thrown at
them.
The Justice report was supposed to be another objective report
prepared by yet another independent investigator. The man selected,
Attorney Edward Dennis, had other cases pending before the Department of
Justice and represents the government on other cases. This is a clear
conflict of interest. He did not even do his own investigation, but
admits in the report that he relied primarily on the information gathered
by the Department of Justice.
A SWAT Team video was obtained by Linda Thompson. In it they
admit to preparing for a "helicopter assault" wherein they will "supply
air cover."
"Was the FBI posture one of 'concern for the children?' We found
this candid interview with an FBI agent the morning of the fire
particularly insightful." In it, the flip agent arrogantly describes
himself as "honed, honed to a fine edge, honed to kill."
The tactics used on the Branch Davidians are "well known
brainwashing techniques," involving cutting off all food supply, all
communication with the outside world, all utilities, and subjecting the
Branch Davidians to extreme stress, perpetual Tibetan chants, propaganda
on loudspeakers, noise, lights, charging tanks, and transmitting key
words hidden within music or white noise in order to force them to obey.
"In November Janet Reno was a speaker at a secret conference on
this type of mind-control weapon and other so called non-lethal weapons,
including weapons such as laser guns designed to blind, extremely
low-level sound waves that can cause violent debilitation, and microwave
radiation weapons. This in the United States of America. How many of
these weapons were actually tested on the Branch Davidians?"
On the day of but prior to the fire, why did the government
prepare a fire break all around the Branch Davidians' home? "A fire
break is a clear area, free of brush and debris to keep a fire from
spreading outside the cleared area." Why did they prepare it when they
did unless they were expecting fire?
CS gas, a gas banned for use in war-time by a treaty signed by
the United States in 1993, was used in copious amounts by inserting it
inside the Waco home. The manufacturer says it should never be used
indoors, ever.
An FBI sniper nest had been set up in the barn outside the Branch
Davidian home. Sand bags lined the walls. Rifle turret holes were made
in the walls for firing out at people. "Someone has made marks on the
wall like you might see made when a gunslinger makes notches in his gun
for each kill." A special ammunition used by snipers was found on the
floor of this barn. The FBI SWAT Team film stated that in this barn were
three sniper positions.
Throughout the day of the fire "reporters announced that up to
twenty people had been seen escaping before the fire. Twenty-one people
were found shot." During the fire, shots were heard in several different
videos being fired at the house, not from the house.
The supposedly independent fire investigator was not independent
at all. His wife works for the ATF; he himself had had an office in the
ATF building for ten years; he carries a business card that says ATF Fire
Investigator; and, he attended the funeral of one of the ATF agents. Not
surprisingly, he concluded that people inside the home started the fire.
Several flame-throwing tanks are shown withdrawing from the home
with flame still coming out of their nozzles. Fire and smoke erupt a few
minutes later in the same places that the flame-throwing tanks had been
just minutes earlier. One tank in particular, after withdrawing from the
front of the house while still shooting flame from its nozzle, then moves
to the side of the house. "As the tank withdraws, it appears to have a
human being speared on the end of its gun, which it quickly shoves back
into the building. As it withdraws the gun again, boards snap off
obscuring what appears to be a body from view. Notice that the board and
the back of the body, or whatever it is, are on fire. It is the driver
of this tank who testified, not surprisingly, that he saw a Branch
Davidian inside start the fire."
In a private interview conducted later at the remains of Mt.
Carmel, one of the National Guardsman who drove a tank on the day of the
fire said he saw what he thought was an FBI agent inside the house,
someone dressed in all black (like the other FBI agents) with three
letters on his back that looked like FBI. Both the interviewer's and the
National Guardsman's identities are known to Linda Thompson, but that
information has to be kept confidential because their lives are on the line.
Another tank "can be seen through the trees shooting flames to
light a portion of the building that isn't burning."
In what has become standard operating procedure, Janet Reno
publicly stated that Combat Engineer Vehicles (CEV) One and Two had no
flame-throwing equipment and had been examined by investigators.
Incredibly, what she neglected to mention was that CEV Two had broken
down and was replaced by yet another CEV.
"The Department of Justice report says this CEV was not equipped
with tear gas, but fails to mention what it was equipped with. The
report never even mentions the other tanks, CEVs and other equipment they
were carrying that day, either."
Military experts have identified as one of the tanks present the
day of the fire as being an M67 flame-throwing tank. One of its
characteristics "is that it has a fake barrel extension on the end of the
gun to disguise the flame thrower." One video shows this tank sitting
near the edge of the remains after the fire. It has charring on its front.
In reaction to Attorney Linda Thompson's first video, Waco, The
Big Lie, there have been numerous Waco protest rallies held throughout
the country. In a Department of Justice press briefing, a spokesman for
the Department of Justice said they had seen the video and it raised
their eyebrows. They submitted the video for expert analysis to the
University of Maryland. The University's preliminary analysis said what
you see is perhaps either light, dust, a defect in the video, or the
dispersal agent falling to the ground.
At the request of one reporter, other military experts viewed the
film and concluded that the CEV "was not a conventional vehicle," but had
been "jury-rigged" for its particular mission at Waco. The reporter asks
the spokesman if he thinks that is flame at the front of the CEV. The
spokesman said he didn't know what it is.
The nagging trail back "to special forces just keeps popping
up." Soldier of Fortune magazine said the supposed flames were mere
reflections. The principal advisor to this magazine is the founder of
Delta Force; its editor is former Delta Force. Reed Irvine of the
Washington Inquirer told the bald-faced lie that the Waco video had been
"doctored." He refused our offer to have the video analyzed. He, too,
writes for this magazine.
The claim that the flames are merely a reflection are refuted by
the fact that one video shows the flames while the tank is in the shadow
of the building. "No reflection can create a light source in shadow."
Some of the government's own footage shows the flames from the
flame-throwing tanks. Even the government's infra-red pictures used to
explain away the idea that the government started the fire are presented
with a fraudulent explanation. "So who has a motive to cover-up here?"
Under the Posse Comitatus Act, it is illegal to use the military
against U.S. citizens. After release of Waco, The Big Lie, some
Congressmen sent questioning letters. The answers to the Congressmen
cited another law which made military participation legal, but not direct
or active participation. They were assured that there was no direct or
active participation and that no military equipment was used that had
operable weapons systems. Yet, example after example of video footage
shows: A tank delivering a forty millimeter round with the supposedly
inoperable weapons system; mortar rounds that could have been delivered
only by an experienced member of the military; a U.S. Marine standing
with an FBI agent saying, "We're just here to help" and the FBI agent
replies, "Here to take over;" active duty military re-fueling the tanks
and preparing to get in the tanks the morning of the fire; active duty
military flying the Army evacuation and FBI helicopters; and, active duty
military emerging from the tanks after the fire.
Many of these active duty military "are wearing dark maroon
berets, just like those consulting Seventh Army Special Forces from Fort
Bragg wear."
Portable flame-throwers were "used in World War II and Vietnam,
particularly to blast underground bunkers." Several scenes show agents
wearing them on their backs, while one shows a good view of an agent with
a portable flame-thrower getting out of a tank.
"In this scene two agents obviously are dragging what appears to
be a body, but this does not appear to be a rescue. As they reach the
far side of the tank you can see that one of the agents has a portable
tank on his back and engages in a spraying motion. Suddenly fire flares up."
There is evidence that agents used incendiary bombs after the
fire to destroy the contents of a concrete structure that used to be
inside the home. As the agents leave, an explosion can be heard and
flames erupt from inside. Yet, the agents do not run or take cover, as
they would be expected to do if this were an unexpected explosion.
Preservation of evidence is treated as sacred at any crime
scene. Yet the crime scene at Mt. Carmel was treated very differently.
Tanks constantly pushed debris into the fire, underground tunnels were
filled in, and after the fire was out, the whole area was bulldozed.
"And continuing to show the same careful regard for preservation of
evidence as demonstrated earlier and with a total lack of respect for the
humanity lost at Mt. Carmel, an agent relieves himself in the ashes
beneath one of the tanks that was used to destroy the Branch Davidians."
Ironically, the Branch Davidians were attacked fifty years to the
day after the Nazis attacked the Warsaw Ghetto.
Also, the Branch Davidians were burned to the ground fifty years
to the day after the Nazis burned the Warsaw Ghetto to the ground.
[...to be continued...]
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75 SPECIFIC DISCRETIONARY CUTS
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[From the *Congressional Record*, Feb. 7, 1995, H1285-H1286]
THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE:
Under the Speaker's announced policy of January 4, 1995, the
gentleman from Florida [Mr. Goss] is recognized during morning
business for 5 minutes.
MR. GOSS:
Mr. Speaker, today I present my annual list of specific spending
cut suggestions. I introduced these yesterday in the *Record* [CN
-- see below]. Today I want to talk a little bit about them and
elaborate on them.
These are 75 discretionary cuts which would save an estimated
$275 billion, those are taxpayer dollars, over the next 5 years.
That is just about double the amount of spending cuts the
President has offered us in his most recent budget package.
These savings could be produced without touching a single non-
discretionary item. Let me put that into English for the rest of
America. Non-discretionary item would mean entitlement, and that
translates into Social Security, Medicare and so forth, Medicaid.
This list of budget cuts I am submitting does not touch Social
Security, Medicare, Medicaid or any of those items that we call
entitlements. It is only the discretionary items, the things that
we control the purse strings on here in the House of
Representatives, the power of the purse as it were.
It is imperative that before we ask Americans to sacrifice any of
their earned benefits we demonstrate an ability to root out the
hundreds of billions of dollars of wasteful spending in this
Government. And that is not just rhetoric. That is something that
the Grace Commission, the GAO, anybody who has looked at our
spending here will tell you, that every year we have waste by the
billions, by the tens of billions, by the hundreds of billions.
How in the world are we going to balance the budget and do all of
these things we have promised if we have that kind of waste at
that level? The answer is we are not until we get at it, and the
hard work of pinning down the specifics has got to start
somewhere. That is why we submit our list of what could be cut.
Mr. Speaker, an administration official was quoted in Sunday's
Washington Post as saying that, "While the deficit is not
optimal, it is not out of control." Let me tell my colleagues,
the national debt is $4.5 trillion. The debt service on that is
about $250 billion every year, every year, $250 billion, so that
is a trillion every 4 years just in interest payments. Put
simply, this empty rhetoric does not put, in my view, the
administration in a very good light. I wonder what an optimal
debt situation would be.
The White House has consistently ignored the tremendous waste and
duplicative spending in the Federal budget and our Federal
Government. We have seen that in the budget that they sent up.
Instead of opting to try to reduce the deficit through tax hikes
and on the backs of senior citizens, they should be looking at
cuts, not raising taxes.
Mr. Speaker, the American people sent a powerful message to this
Congress that was loud and clear, and it was cut spending and do
it now, get rid of the waste, the redundancy, the out-of-date,
the off-target, the things we do not need anymore. The American
people did not say trim a little here or trim a little there. The
American people did not say move with caution and go slow. The
American people told this Congress to look for any and all
wasteful spending and get rid of it, take it out.
The Vice President complained yesterday that "Republicans haven't
put any cuts on the table." Well, they cannot say that anymore,
because the cuts are out there for all to see, a list of 75
totalling $275 billion over the next 5 years. I stand before this
Congress with most of the same cuts I introduced in the past two
terms, and some of them which we have made some progress on, but
most of them have gone untouched. So we are still able to come
forward with a list of waste of 75 items.
I invite the administration to debate us on the specifics. Tell
us why we need to be spending $140 million on grants to prepare
youths and adults to be homemakers. Explain to the American
people why when 99 percent of America's farmers have electricity
and 98 percent have phones we need to be spending billions of
dollars in assistance to rural electric and telephone utilities.
The American people deserve better. They need answers. They
deserve full debate on these and other programs that serve narrow
special interests rather than the collective good of our country
and all taxpayers.
Mr. Speaker, we must strive to move beyond the rhetoric, to
achieve the fundamental change that we talk about here with real
action and with specifics. It is time to debate real spending
cuts and real fiscal reform, and I am confident if we do we
actually will have taken a very important step toward restoring
fiscal responsibility and, perhaps even more than that,
retaining, restoring some of the credit that this institution
needs to build with the American people.
We have done the balanced budget program in the House. We have
passed it. We have done that unfunded mandates program in the
House. We have passed it. We did the line item veto. {1}. We did
it yesterday, we passed it. We are going to be talking about and
going to introduce a supermajority to raise taxes. Those are all
critically important tools to get a handle on spending, to make
sure we do the right thing.
But the proof will come. Do we have the courage, do we have the
wisdom to pick out the things that are true waste and start
chopping them? That is actually the easiest part of the job. If
it is not doing much for very many Americans, then why are we
spending a lot of money on it? Usually the answer is political.
"Well, it's in my district," or "I hate to do something to that
program to cut it." That is something we cannot be doing anymore.
We cannot afford it, and it is not good expenditure of money.
Accountability time has come, and we welcome accountability time,
and I welcome the American people to take a look at our list of
75 cuts.
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[From the *Congressional Record*, Feb. 6, 1995, H1265-H1266]
Thrifty Fifty Plus: Seventy-Five Suggestions
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(In millions of dollars/5 years) Savings
Cancel the National Aerospace Plane
(NASP).................................... 300
Continue partial civilian hiring freeze at
Department of Defense..................... 6,850
Eliminate below-cost timber sales from
National Forests.......................... 235
Lower target prices for subsidized crops
3 percent annually........................ 11,000
Eliminate the Market Promotion Program...... 500
End the Federal Crop Insurance Program and
replace with standing authority for
disaster assistance....................... 1,660
Limit Federal highway spending to the amount
brought in by motor vehicle fuel taxes.... 8,850
Repeal the Davis-Bacon Act.................. 3,080
Reduce Commodity Credit Corporation
subsidies for those with off-farm incomes
over $100,000............................. 660
Reduce the Attending Physician Office by
33 percent................................ 2.5
Fully implement H.R. 2452 (102nd) to
provide additional energy conservation
measures for Federal agencies............. 1,900
Enact H.R. 1620 (103rd) to prohibit direct
Federal benefits and unemployment
benefits to illegal aliens................ 27,000
Eliminate the Tobacco Price-Support Program 100
Consolidate the Bureau of Indian Affairs.... 53
Close 20 under-utilized black lung offices.. 0.3
Allow private sector investment in the
Space Shuttle............................. 1,522
Eliminate Rural Economic and Community-
Development (RECD) duplication with the
Small Business Administration (SBA)....... 913
Eliminate the Rural Electric Administration. 3,000
Terminate all highway "demonstration
projects"................................. 2,500
Lower the travel budgets of all non-postal,
civilian agencies by 15 percent........... 858
Lower by 10 percent per annum the projected
growth rate of non-postal, civilian
agency's overhead (excluding travel)...... 64,000
Abolish Cotton Price Support and Loan
Programs.................................. 12,700
Cut the Foreign Aid budget (150 Account)
by 15 percent and make all earmarks in
that account subject to a two-thirds
vote for passage.......................... 13,125
Phase out the Foreign Agricultural
Service Cooperation funding............... 150
Eliminate the Appalachian Regional
Commission................................ 690
Roll back Congressional pay raise to
$89,500................................... 118
Sell the National Helium Reserves to a
joint venture comprised of current
employees and other private investors..... 692
Reduce the "Franking" allocation to Members
of Congress by 50 percent................. 167
Cut National Endowment for the Arts by
50 percent................................ 2,600
Cut funding for the Corporation for Public
Broadcasting by 50 percent................ 883
Phase out subsidies for AMTRAK.............. 2,660
Phase out ACTION (umbrella organization for
domestic volunteer activities) as a
tax-supported program..................... 660
Facilitate contracting out and privatization
of military commissaries.................. 4,170
Terminate the Interstate Commerce
Commission................................ 188
Phase out U.S. Fire Administration.......... 10
End funding for all non-energy Tennessee
Valley Authority (TVA) activities......... 580
Eliminate Essential Air Services subsidies.. 195
Eliminate Consumer Homemaking grants........ 140
Privatize the House and Senate Gymnasiums... 1.1
Reduce the Legislative Branch Appropriations
by 20 percent............................. 2,844
Reduce the Executive Office of the President
appropriation by 20 percent............... 284
Close the Bureau of Mines and merge its data
gathering activities with other Interior
Department research agencies.............. 140
Raise the level and schedule of the Power
Marketing Administration's debt repayment. 970
Eliminate the Clean Coal Program............ 300
Reduce the fill rate for the Strategic
Petroleum Reserve......................... 1,000
End all new Bureau of Water Reclamation
water projects............................ 7,400
Eliminate the Dairy Subsidy Program......... 5,000
Merge the Agricultural Research Service, the
Cooperative State Research Service, and
the Agricultural Extension Service; cut
funding by 50 percent..................... 3,950
Privatize the Government National Mortgage
Association (Ginnie Mae).................. 2,000
Eliminate the Economic Development
Administration............................ 1,140
Eliminate non-targeted vocational State
funding................................... 3,400
Consolidate the administrative costs of the
AFDC, Food Stamps, and Medicaid programs.. 6,300
Replace new public housing construction with
vouchers.................................. 610
Increase Medicare safeguard funding by $540
million over 5 years (net savings)........ 5,400
Eliminate the Legal Services Corporation.... 1,900
End postal subsidies to not-for-profit
organizations (excluding blind and
handicapped individuals).................. 2,000
Eliminate HUD special-purpose grants........ 990
Reform vacation and overtime for the Senior
Executive Service......................... 540
Eliminate DOD [Dept. of Defense] payments
for indirect research and development;
substitute direct R&D..................... 14,740
Reduce DOE [Dept. of Energy] energy tech-
nology spending........................... 2,550
Scale back Rural Rental Housing Assistance
Program................................... 1,400
Reduce mass transit grants; eliminate
operating subsidies....................... 6,250
Eliminate Rural Development Association
loans and guarantees...................... 1,380
Eliminate "Impact Aid" to school districts
with military bases....................... 3,850
Consolidate Social Services programs........ 1,000
Reduce NIH [Nat. Inst. Health] funding by
10 percent, concentrating on overhead..... 4,900
Freeze the number of rental assistance
commitments............................... 5,700
Scale back Low Income Home Energy Assistance
Grants.................................... 5,150
Service Contract Act reform................. 900
Reduce overhead in federally-sponsored
university research....................... 1,000
Strengthen and restructure NASA
(NPR proposal)............................ 1,500
Eliminate redundant polar satellite
programs.................................. 250
Streamline HUD.............................. 144
Reform prison construction.................. 580
Eliminate Travel, Tourism and Export
Promotion Administration.................. 1,002
-------------------------<< Notes >>-----------------------------
{1} Regarding the line item veto: Bill Moyers, on or about Feb.
15, 1995, in a commentary on the NBC Nightly News, stated that
there are loopholes in the line item veto. He specifically
mentioned that large pharmaceutical companies, big contributors
to congressional campaign funds, can wriggle out of it.
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THE MEXICAN RESCUE PACKAGE
[From The Congressional Record -- House, H1271-H1278, Feb. 6, 1995]
[...continued...]
MS. KAPTUR:
If the gentleman will yield, what has been very interesting is if
you look back over the decade of the 1980s, this fund was used
every once in a while, especially around the 1982 Presidential
elections in Mexico, to prop up that Government. There were loans
made from this fund, $500 million, $1 billion. Then you went up
to 1988 when there was another Presidential election in Mexico,
and they used $1.1 or $1.2 billion out of the funds to prop up
the existing Government there.
Now the Presidential elections of this past August 1994: The fund
was used again over these numbers of years. Mexico has never
really paid back its money. It has refinanced its debt, which is
getting larger and larger and larger.
That is like if you had a credit card and you never paid the
principal and you just kept adding more and more debt and then
you were charged a higher interest rate.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
So if you would explain to the Members who might still be
watching, what is it that you are trying to accomplish tomorrow?
MS. KAPTUR:
What we are trying to accomplish tomorrow is to give the 435
Members of this House a chance to vote against the Mexican rescue
package. We have essentially been muzzled. The executive branch,
in conjunction with the leadership of this institution, went
around the other 434 Members of the Congress of the United
States.
We want our chance to vote.
MR. DeFAZIO:
Mr. Speaker, if the gentlewoman will continue to yield, I would
like to clarify, I think that we do not even have to characterize
it in exactly that fashion. We are asking the basic questions
regarding the extension of these credits to Mexico. How much
money is involved? What risks are there for the U.S. taxpayer?
And the series of interrogatories, someone could vote in support
of our resolution tomorrow, not having made up their mind but
saying as a representative of the people they need more
information.
So I would say that the Members who would support our resolution
would be both Members who already feel that they have enough
information to say no to the bailout for Mexico, but I would say
for the other Members of this body, I cannot imagine that any
single person in this body who has not had those questions
answered could vote in support of it.
I can see where you could still have an open mind and say, I
would like to know what risks we have, how much it is costing,
what the terms are, what our exposure is. But we do not have
that. So I would characterize the vote tomorrow a little
differently.
MS. KAPTUR:
The gentleman is correct. If one reads the resolution, it asks
for us to have the constitutional authority retained here as we
would hope we could tomorrow, and then it asks the Comptroller
General to report back on the specifics of the package that was
negotiated by the administration. I think the gentleman from
Mississippi would like to comment.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
I wanted to get back to something the gentleman from Vermont
mentioned, when he said that Wall Street was all in favor of
NAFTA and Wall Street was all in favor of the bailout.
In fact, former U.S. Trade Representative, Ms. Carla Hills, who
used to come regularly up to Congress and tell us what a great
deal NAFTA was, has written an article for the Washington Post
saying we have to bail out these poor people.
It was funny that just 1.5 years ago, when Ms. Hills came before
the Merchant Marine Committee and I brought to her attention that
a lot of shrimpers in the gulf coast, a lot of people in the
garment plants would probably lose their jobs as a result of
NAFTA, she said, "that is economic Darwinism. You just have to
have some people who are going to suffer when things like this
happen, but it is for the benefit of everybody that this
happens."
Would someone explain the wisdom to me why it is O.K. to let
somebody who makes $5.50 an hour working at a sewing machine all
day lose their job, but when some Wall Street investor loses a
couple of bucks on his investments down in Mexico, or maybe a lot
more than a couple bucks, that it suddenly becomes the
responsibility of the working people of this country, the very
same working people that you may have put out of work to bail
them out, to go on the line and cosign that loan? And above all,
why is it right that this huge expenditure, the equivalent of the
Veterans Administration budget, is being made available for the
President alone to spend and the Congress of the United States,
which is given the constitutional duty, not privilege but the
constitutional duty to see how our money is spent, what kind of
debts we incur, where is the Speaker? Where is the minority
leader? Is this not crazy that neither party's head is demanding
a vote on this and that 6, 7, 12 Members have to be the ones to
come forward and, by using the rules of the House, demand a vote
on this? It is just not right.
MS. KAPTUR:
It is interesting, because I come from the Midwest, midwestern
part of our country, as did the gentleman from Ohio, Congressman
Brown, who has joined us, the gentleman from Vermont, Congressman
Sanders, comes from the northeast, the gentleman comes from the
Deep South in Mississippi, the gentleman from Oregon, Mr.
DeFazio, it has been very interesting to me to see the breadth of
support inside this institution on this issue.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
If I may interrupt, on both sides of the aisle.
MS. KAPTUR:
On both sides of the aisle.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
There are, I believe as many Republican sponsors of this
resolution as Democrats. I think that is very important, because
I think a number of the Republicans are at odds with what their
leadership has done, which is, again, to deprive the majority of
the Members of this body just expressing this sentiment, yes or
no, this is a tremendous obligation.
I know it is more than three times the State budget for a whole
year of my home State.
MR. DeFAZIO:
If the gentlewoman would yield further, I was talking to a
freshman Republican Member today, and that freshman stated
unequivocally that they had done a whip of their own group and
there were 3 Members of the 73-Member Republican freshman class
who were prepared or leaning toward voting for the bailout of
Mexico.
So I think what has happened here is the leaders on both sides
can count, and they did count. When they counted, they found
probably out of this entire institution, the representatives of
the people of the United States of America, duly elected and all
equal under the Constitution, that probably less than 100 were
willing to vote for this bailout.
Now I guess what we are being told is we just do not know, we
just do not know the facts. Well, then, give us the facts. That
is what we are asking here. If there are facts that would change
my mind, bring them forward. But there is an absence of fact and
we are being treated as though we, as elected representatives of
the people, well, we just do not know better. This is something
that the big folks on Wall Street, the Federal Reserve decided in
secret, Robin Rubin, managing director of Goldman, Sachs and the
President behind closed doors, and public discussion is
foreclosed and votes of the people are prohibited.
MR. SANDERS:
My friend from Oregon is exactly right, as is my friend from
Mississippi.
My friend from Mississippi makes an interesting point, if he will
allow me to amplify his statement a little bit, that all over
this country there are people who work for $5 an hour and $6 an
hour and $8 an hour. And they go to work every day and many of
them do not have any health insurance, and we are told that the
Government does not have the money to provide health insurance.
Their jobs are uprooted and taken to Mexico or to China and we
are told, "Hey, that is the way life goes, that is what the
market system is about, no security, you are out on the street."
They pay unfairly too much in taxes, that is the way the system
goes.
And nobody is hearing their pain. And then suddenly our friends
from Wall Street, who by the way, let us be honest about this, in
the last few years have made out like bandits in their
investments in Mexico. In the city of Burlington, Vermont, people
put their money in the savings bank to make 3 percent, 4 percent,
5 percent, safe investment; in Mexico people were making 50
percent, people were making 100 percent of their investments. And
then suddenly, for reasons that we do not fully know, we know
some of them, the economy of Mexico took a tumble and their
investments went sour.
And how amazing it is, and I remember this when I was mayor of
the city of Burlington, it was not the poor people and the
working people who came into my office to ask for help. It was
always the powerful and the wealthy who tell us, "What can you do
for us?" and they are back again. These people who have the
money, who have made out like bandits, have suddenly taken a
loss.
Well, when you invest in a risky proposition, that is the nature
of the game, is it not? You stand to win a lot if things go well,
you stand to lose if things go badly.
I absolutely agree with my friend from Mississippi that it is an
outrage to go back to the working people in this country, some of
them who have lost their jobs from these very same folks who have
taken their plants to Mexico, and then to ask working people of
America to bail them out.
To pick up on the point from my friend from Oregon, what makes me
really sad is not only the horror of this whole agreement, but in
fact as a result of it there will be even more people giving up
on the democratic process. We just had an election recently and
62 percent of the people did not come out to vote. They no longer
believe that the Government of the United States represents their
interests. What do you think this action on the part of the
President is going to do to the political process?
[...to be continued...]
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THE MEXICAN RESCUE PACKAGE
[From The Congressional Record -- House, H1271-H1278, Feb. 6, 1995]
[...continued...]
MR. SANDERS [continues]:
You are standing up from Oregon, you are standing up from
Mississippi, you are standing up from Ohio, many of us are
standing up and the people are saying, "What difference does it
make? Thanks for standing up for us, but you don't have any
power. We send you here to represent us but you can't do anything
about it. Why do you want me to come out and vote for you or vote
for anybody else?"
I think one of the other aspects about this agreement which
disturbs me is not only the agreement itself, which we disagree
with, but the process which denies the elected officials of this
country to stand up and do what is best for their districts.
MS. KAPTUR:
Mr. Speaker, I think the gentleman raises some excellent,
excellent points. I know that there are working people across
this country who feel that they have lost voice at the highest
levels of our Government.
What is equally disturbing to think about, Mr. Speaker, is that
for the people of Mexico who have no voice, the working people of
Mexico who have no voice, if our Government, and I think they
were in cahoots with the top leaders of Mexico, has now caused
the standard of living in Mexico to be cut by half, and it wasn't
very high anyway, there are people who are hungry and there are
people who are streaming across our borders now because our
Government was too greedy for some of the interests that
supported it and some of the top leaders in the Government of the
United States, then shame on us as the most powerful economic
force on this continent.
I yield to the gentleman from Mississippi [Mr. Taylor], who
wanted to make a comment.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
The only point I wanted to make, Mr. Speaker, and I wanted to get
back as to the very eloquent delivery by the former mayor of
Burlington, could he not just vote against the appropriation for
this when it comes up?
MR. SANDERS:
If the gentleman knows, Mr. Speaker, if I had the opportunity to,
I could and I would, but I do not have the opportunity.
Unfortunately, as we have been discussing, we do not have that
opportunity.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
Mr. Speaker, isn't it interesting that every group -- there are
groups like the National Taxpayers Union, Common Cause, groups
that represent the defense industry, groups that represent the
homeless, everyone has a score card on how you voted. You hear
the Nation has incurred at least a $20 billion liability and
there was not even a vote on it, and there will not be a vote on
it next year or the following year or the following year, unless
something happens.
Mr. Speaker, I think the point all of us are trying to make, and
maybe not saying as well as we can, is that the reason we need
the information, the reason for the vote tomorrow morning, is
that, No. 1, we find out just how far our liability goes with
this; just what kind of assets, if any, the Mexicans have
pledged. I have heard they pledged oil revenues that have already
been pledged to pay other bills, so, therefore, they are really
not available to get our money back. What kind of track record do
the Mexicans have in paying things back? Where did this money
come from?
Isn't it interesting, Mr. Speaker, that while everything comes
before this body, from the amount of money we will have to mail
letters home to our constituents, the amount of money we will
spend on B-2 bombers, the amount of money we will spend on
housing and urban development, the amount of money we will spend
on veterans, all these things, sometimes much, much smaller
amounts dealing in just tens of thousands of dollars, we will get
an up-or-down vote on, but for $20 billion, neither the President
of the United States nor the Speaker of the House nor the
minority leader even thought we ought to have a vote. The only
chance we get to rectify that starts tomorrow.
MR. SANDERS:
If the gentlewoman will yield further, Mr. Speaker, the gentleman
makes a very important point. There almost seems to be an inverse
relationship between the amount of money that is being spent and
the level of discussion that takes place here.
We are seeing a whole lot of discussion on the National Council
on the Humanities and Public Broadcasting, right? Every day,
people are down here, some on one position, some on the other. It
is a matter of a few hundred million dollars.
What we are talking about is more than $20 billion, and as of
this moment, we do not have a vote on that, and that is clearly
an outrage.
MR. DeFAZIO:
If the gentleman will continue to yield, Mr. Speaker, in an
answer to the gentleman's earlier inquiry, there has not been a
vote on an appropriation for the Economic Stabilization Fund
since 1934, 60 years since an appropriation has been voted for,
yet the fund has continued to garner money through Treasury
withdrawals, through having money printed, and they exchange some
sort of bizarre notes which they obtain from the International
Monetary Fund. They give them to our Treasury in exchange for
dollars which the Treasury orders printed at the Mint.
If you want to talk about creating something out of nothing but
obligating the American people, and if Alan Greenspan is
concerned about inflation, how about the inflation that is caused
when you just run the presses overnight, running out whatever the
largest denomination of bills is, I don't know, a thousand
$10,000 bills, so we can shovel that money over to the Economic
Stabilization Fund, so we can send it to Mexico, or so that we
can secure the loans of Mexico?
Also, Mr. Speaker, the gentlewoman put together an excellent list
in response to your query here. I have heard a little bit about
this "We will guarantee these funds with the oil revenues." There
is a list here put together by the gentlewoman from Ohio [Ms.
Kaptur].
The gentleman is right, those funds are already 100 percent
committed. In fact, they are so committed that the Mexican oil
company has not been able to invest any money in exploration or
maintenance, because their funds are so over committed already.
You go through the list: Pemex bonds, 7.75 percent; French
francs, $750 million; Euro notes, Pemex, 8.375; $400 million,
Austrian bond, dated July 23, 1993, due 1998. The list goes on
and on and on. They are already well in hock for any oil they can
pump until their supplies are exhausted, and we are going to take
security out of this? You can't get blood out of a turnip.
MS. KAPTUR:
If the gentleman will yield on that, Mr. Speaker, Oil and Gas
magazine also reported about that by the end of this decade, by
1997, 1998, 1999, Mexico will be a net importer of oil because
the number of barrels she has been able to produce has been cut
in half, and because capital investment has not been able to be
made in capital plant, and because of instability among the
workers in the oilfields in Mexico, where conditions are just
terrible.
Mr. Speaker, I think any wise investor would question that, oil
being used as collateral.
If I might respond to the gentleman from Vermont [Mr. Sanders],
who raised a good point, when it is a small item involving the
budget, we get tied up in knots here, right?
When we are talking about $20 or $40 billion or however much the
American people will be on the line, it is like the Stealth
bomber. It goes through here, nobody saw it, we didn't vote on
it. It happened, it is a happening in America, but we didn't have
anything to do with it.
Mr. Speaker, I remember when the President came up here with his
State of the Union speech. He didn't like the fact that the
Department of Agriculture had spent a few thousand dollars trying
to eliminate ticks. He spent a long time talking about ticks.
If you come from a rural area, a lot of my district is rural,
that can be a pretty significant problem for people. In fact, we
had one gentleman here in Congress, Berkeley Bedell, who had to
leave Congress because he got Lyme disease. If you know anything
about what can happen, it is a pretty serious area to be doing
research on, so I didn't quite understand why he picked that
particular few thousand dollar expenditure out.
Here we are talking about an enormous amount of money, and the
gentleman from Mississippi [Mr. Taylor] said, "Could we vote on
it in the Committee on Appropriations?"
I asked one of the subcommittee chairs of Appropriations, "Will
this come up before your subcommittee this year? Will we get a
vote? How will we get a vote on this?"
He said, "Well, you know, yes, the Treasury Department is under
our sub-committee's jurisdiction, but this particular fund, I
guess it is more like foreign aid, so we don't think it would
come under us."
This is the kind of fund, it is like mercury. If you have ever
seen mercury and you try to put your finger on it, it keeps
moving around. You can't pin it down, really; $20 billion, maybe
$40 billion, and it is rising every day.
So here we stand, at 9 o'clock at night Washington time, trying
to say it is our responsibility to vote on this kind of money,
and putting our taxpayers at this kind of risk.
I yield to the gentleman from Mississippi.
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THE MEXICAN RESCUE PACKAGE
[From The Congressional Record -- House, H1271-H1278, Feb. 6, 1995]
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MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
Again, Mr. Speaker, I would like to point out that in the past
couple of weeks this chamber has taken some steps toward getting
our financial house in order.
Regardless of where you stand on it, the House has passed a line-
item veto. The Speaker as we speak is holding a press conference
bragging about how that is somehow going to save the House of
Representatives from itself, but we passed it.
A few weeks ago we passed the balanced budget amendment, which I
supported, because I think we have to be accountable. We passed
earlier on the first day a resolution calling for an audit of
every single House office and every single budget within the
House of Representatives.
But going back to what Mr. Sanders says, if it makes sense and
the Speaker will support an audit for a congressional office that
has a budget of about $600,000, don't you think he would support
an audit of a fund that has $35 billion in it; we think $35
billion, because no one really knows for sure, and it is the
taxpayers' money. It is not the Speaker's money, it is not the
money of the gentleman from Vermont [Mr. Sanders], and it is
certainly not my money.
But don't the taxpayers deserve to know where it came from, where
it is going, and don't they deserve an up-or-down vote of their
elected representative on how this money ought to be spent,
especially when our Nation's veterans are being told, "There is
not enough room in the military hospitals for you;" especially
when every university within short order in the continental
United States is going to get a letter saying "Don't ask for as
much money as you got last year, money is tight;" especially when
highway funds are getting ready to get cuts; especially when
everybody's State's budget, at least the money they receive from
the Federal Government, is going to get cut?
How on Earth can we say domestically we want all you people to
share in the pain, but if you are south of the Rio Grande, or if
you happen to be a big shot up on Wall Street, here is a blank
check for $20 billion, and here is $15 billion more when you need
it? And the vote tomorrow morning is the only chance the people
in this body are going to get to have an accounting on that.
I hope the Speaker will rule that this resolution is in order.
But if he does not rule it is in order, then we have got to
wonder whose side is he on. Is he on the side of accountability
or is he on the side of hiding all of this from the public?
I had an interesting call today from an Under Secretary of the
Treasury, and he will meet with a number of us tomorrow morning.
Interestingly enough, he said, "You know, I can't give you all
that information publicly." Why? I can understand a military
secret being kept from the public, we would not want our enemies
to know our capabilities of our weapons or troop strengths, but
why should not the public know how their money has been invested
and where it has been invested and what kind of return they have
on it, and what kind of promise we have to get this money back?
That troubles me. That is sort of like the old Washington
mentality, "We know it all and those folks back home don't know."
Tomorrow morning, the Members of this body will decide who they
are with, whether they think the people of America are smart
enough to know and ought to know where their money is coming
from, and where it is going, or whether they just think a couple
of guys, the Speaker, the President, the minority leader, a
couple of guys from the Treasury Department, whether they think
they alone ought to have the responsibility for $35 billion. That
is really what the vote tomorrow morning is all about.
No. 1, I would certainly encourage the Speaker to rule that this
resolution is in order so that we can have a vote on it. But, No.
2, if he decides that he will not rule it in order, then I think
he ought to at least be man enough to give us an hour to decide,
to make our pitch in front of the full body before any sort of a
motion is made to table it [i.e. kill it], because the people of
America deserve to know what in the heck is going on, and they
deserve an opportunity to fix this problem.
I want to thank the gentlewoman and both gentlemen for their
time.
MS. KAPTUR:
I want to thank the gentleman from Mississippi for being the lead
sponsor of this privileged resolution. The people of Mississippi
should be very proud of the gentleman, an independent, strong-
minded Member who stood up to the most powerful interests in
America, both political and economic.
In response to something the gentleman said, let me just mention
that I received a letter this week from a woman from Coral
Gables, Florida. She supports us in our efforts to get a vote on
this measure tomorrow. She sent this beautiful letter really
saying the people of America understand what is going on and
encouraging us in our efforts to get at the truth and to get the
figures for the American public.
But it was very interesting. She attached a letter to her letter
to me that had been written to her by the Chairman of the Banking
Committee in the House 2 years ago, Congressman Henry Gonzalez.
In this letter, and she even highlighted it in yellow ink for me,
she quotes some of his statements which I think are so
instructive I wanted to read them tonight, in which he said that
during NAFTA, the NAFTA debate, that he endeavored to bring out
that NAFTA was more than just a trade agreement. It is a free
trade and finance agreement. And he underlined finance. And he
was concerned that the finance and banking portions would turn
out to be the driving force, backed by the largest banks and
financial interests in this hemisphere. And he said NAFTA will
have profound implications for the safety and soundness of the
U.S. banking and financial services industries, the integrity of
the basic banking laws of this country and counteraction against
international money laundering.
Now that NAFTA has passed he said the stage may also be set for
another savings and loan style bailout as United States bankers
pursue risky investments in the unregulated Mexican market.
To his letter he then attached even more lengthy hearings that he
has held in his committee. I just want to read one paragraph here
by two gentlemen, Mr. Niko Valance and Mr. Andres Penaloza, who
testified before his committee that the omission of an exchange
rate stabilization mechanism in NAFTA was deliberate and a
mistake. Mr. Valance argued that without an established exchange
rate, stabilization mechanism, it is possible for foreign
corporations to exert pressure on the Mexican Government to
devalue the peso, thus lowering wages in terms of other
currencies.
In addition, Mr. Davidson cautions that the relatively volatile
currency in Mexico poses increased potential exchange and
interest rate risks to U.S. financial institutions. The fact that
these issues are not addressed in NAFTA was of considerable
concern to many of the witnesses.
MR. DeFAZIO:
If the gentlewoman will yield, it is interesting to hear those
statements from 2 years ago, because we have heard most recently
from the proponents of NAFTA, the apologists for NAFTA, the
Secretary of the Treasury and others, that no one could have
anticipated the circumstances. But yet the gentlewoman is saying
that letter from the chairman of the Banking Committee, a
neighbor to Mexico who lives just over the border, who
understands that country well and is sympathetic to the needs of
that country, he discerned these problems. What was the date on
that letter?
MS. KAPTUR:
The date on the letter was December 6, 1993, but the respective
sections from the *Congressional Record* were dated November 15,
1993, remarks by Mr. Gonzalez on NAFTA, page H9661.
MR. DeFAZIO:
That is absolutely extraordinary. So perhaps a rational person
could have anticipated that the peso was overvalued, that there
were problems with political manipulations of the currency values
in Mexico, and, in fact, that inextricably tying the fate of our
economy to Mexico, which seems to be what our administration is
telling us, was a mistake.
I would ask the gentlewoman if she noticed the statement in the
Washington Post last weekend where the Speaker said there was a
relationship between the minimum wage and the value of the peso
in Mexico and Mexican workers, and said he was hesitant to
support an increase in the minimum wage in the United States of
America for people who work in this country because that would
probably drive more jobs across the border.
So we have seen the value of the wages in Mexico, which were
pitiful to begin with compared to U.S. wages, dropped by 50
percent, and now we have to withhold any increase in the standard
of living for the people of the United States because we might
lose yet more manufacturing jobs to Mexico.
What happened to the promise of hundreds of thousands of jobs in
America as we sold goods to the Mexican people? I am puzzled.
[...to be continued...]
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AMERICANS IN EXILE
February 1, 1995
[Excerpts]
"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women
rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee
to err, and destroy the way of thy paths."
-- Isaiah 3:12
-+- Cultivating Hatred in the American Family -+-
What is commonly referred to as a "gender war", a division so
deep that it destroys families, is no accident. This poison in
our culture is actually the result of policies instituted to
achieve division, with techniques perfected over the years, in
many different countries. They are policies of the U.S.
government enacted into law to come into compliance with United
Nations mandates. Most Americans are not aware that such laws
exist. How many are familiar with *The Gender Equity in Education
Act* (1993) or how it conforms to *The United Nations Convention
on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women*?
Americans understand even less about the web of deception that
has been woven by those in the leadership of this cause as
expressed in the American news media. It's difficult to explain
how propaganda has been so successful in persuading Americans
that the traditional role of wife and mother is oppressive to
women. In a nation as great as America once was, where women were
respected, provided for, and sheltered from any danger that might
interfere with their right to raise their children in freedom and
safety, feminism is a truly magnificent hoax.
The solution to this puzzle is not where one would instinctively
look. The key to understanding what has happened to America is to
see how feminists have successfully manipulated the natural
inclinations of men and women. Men will shelter and protect
women, even from the truth, if they believe women will find it
offensive. Women are inclined to follow men who will provide for
them and lead aggressively. Thus we have our present dilemma; a
Marxist version of American history of oppression of women,
resulting in laws and policies that attack men and destroy
families, and men won't criticize them.
An open minded consideration of explanations that might, at
first, seem a contradiction is necessary. There are a number of
ideas that have been planted in peoples' minds that must be re-
examined. The fact that American men are socialized to protect
and shelter women is the very reason that men will not respond to
charges that they oppress women, but grope further to find out
what women want. Ironically, this phenomenon is precisely what
has turned women away from men. Women expect men to get them out
of this, to stand up for their wives and children and for their
own place as providers, protectors, and moral leaders of the
family. Thus far women have been betrayed by the insecurity of
American men.
They have had little choice in that the only men offering
security are those attacking the family, offering women
preference for jobs and protection from their husbands. Feminism
is not independence for women but dependence on men who can
provide, men like Ted Kennedy, Joe Biden, and Bill Clinton. Women
have little respect for defeated men, particularly when they
won't fight. A sad fact of warfare is that only males are
vanquished; women survive as best they can, often as consorts of
the victors.
Men who have watched government cross their threshhold, offering
wives protection from their husbands and special privileges for
jobs that destroy a man's God given role as provider and
protector, and can only respond by trying to please women, are a
pathetic sight. These men are, of course, confused. They are not
prepared for a government that would actually conspire to destroy
their families. Many will find it difficult to accept. It seems
so far fetched. All that is necessary is to face certain obvious
facts.
Look at this from pure reason, without the blind spots of
culture, sexual attraction and hormones, and it becomes clear.
The history of women in America that is fed to us by the ruling
elite and the press is a pack of lies. Women in America were
given by men the highest civilization ever known. We can only
hope to recover that greatness as long as there are Americans old
enough to remember a way of life that has been stolen from us and
are able to look critically at Marxist slogans such as "women
earn 71 percent of what men earn" or "today women have to work",
neither of which is true.
[...]
It has taken years of carefully formulated propaganda to
manipulate an unsuspecting public into accepting the Marxist
position that husbands and fathers are oppressors. The concept
that marriage is oppressive to women is Marxist. The U.N. plan,
as is written in the *Convention on the Elimination of All Forms
of Discrimination Against Women*, is to drastically alter
something that really made America what it was, the American
family. We are faced with a powerful, global elite that presumes
to be a purveyor of proper attitudes, culture, and of correct
roles for men, women, and children in society. They are
determined to bring us around, with propaganda, with professional
Marxist methods of agitation, and with laws.
This surely is a perfect hoax. It leaves men with a choice of
either telling the truth and risk alienating women -- or
submitting to something that is clearly wrong. It leaves women
with only the enemy to turn to. Most women would give anything to
restore America to what it once was. The plan is proceeding, and
it is not the complaints of ordinary women seeking "equality",
but a United Nations mandate, Federal legislation, laws that
Americans know little about, but that reach into homes and
families, places where Americans have always understood
government had no business. Feminist legislation has altered our
school system, destroyed families, left children without fathers,
put innocent men in jail, and made it impossible for men and
women to relate with the mutual respect that once existed between
them.
Affirmative Action, a program of special rights for special
citizens, is perhaps the most devastating of all feminist
policies. Most commonly thought of as a racial policy, it
benefits mostly women, 51 percent of the U.S. population. Many
upper-class graduates of Smith College, Radcliffe, or Vassar are
official victims according to this policy. Its goals, of course,
are not fairness or equality, but intervention in families.
According to the Marxist belief system, marriage in itself is
discrimination against women. Preference for jobs is intended as
an alternative to dependency on a "white male".
...No one is suggesting women can't work or use all of their
talents and abilities. *What* *must* *be* *opposed* *is*
*preference* for and the recruitment of women to achieve a
distribution in the workforce that satisfies feminists and the
United Nations. We must oppose the Marxist belief that marriage
is an oppressive institution and their diabolical, persistent,
determination to offer women a way out.
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THE MEXICAN RESCUE PACKAGE
[From The Congressional Record -- House, H1271-H1278, Feb. 6, 1995]
[...continued...]
MR. SANDERS:
Mr. Speaker, if the gentlewoman will yield, in Sunday's
Washington Post Raul Avila, president of the National Maquiladora
Industry Council, said that during the first 10 months of 1994
maquiladora employment increased 6.2 percent, over 600,000
employees, and importantly enough, as the gentlewoman has just
indicated, "The industry forecasts the opening of another 600
assembly plants this year."
MR. DeFAZIO:
If the gentlewoman will yield, that, I believe, was because of
the drop in the value of the peso.
MR. SANDERS:
The gentleman is exactly right. With cheaper labor it becomes a
better investment in the maquiladoras, and we can expect more
American companies to be going down there.
The gentleman and the gentlewoman raised interesting points a
while ago. I am a member of the Banking Committee that dealt with
the S&L fiasco, and as my colleagues will recall the concept "too
big to fail." Do my colleagues remember that concept? What too
big to fail means is that the taxpayers of America were obligated
to bail out very, very large banks because if they failed, the
repercussions of that failure were supposedly so great that it
would have been worse than bailing them out.
I would like my colleagues to comment on this thought. It seems
to me that that is precisely what is happening with regard to
Mexico. We are now asked, well, not asked, but the President is
proposing to put $40 billion of loan guarantees into Mexico.
Maybe the President is right and we do not know. Maybe, in fact,
this will improve the Mexican economy, everything will work out
well, and there will not be a loss of taxpayer money. That may be
true.
But let us look at the other side of the story. Maybe in fact the
Mexican economy will not improve and we will lose that $40
billion. What I would like to ask my colleagues is this: Is it
not possible that a year from now or 2 years from now a President
will come back and say we have got to provide even more loan
guarantees to Mexico because we already have $40 billion in the
hopper there; we cannot afford to lose that. We have to protect
that investment and, therefore, we need to put even more money
into Mexico?
And I think the implications of that are very, very frightening.
This Congress and this President are having a difficult enough
time running the American economy that we know something about on
behalf of American workers. We are not doing very well at that.
The idea that we have the knowledge or the ability to sustain the
Mexican economy, upon which we are dependent, is really quite
beyond me.
But I am afraid that we are going to have this too-big-to-fail
concept once again. Then we are going to have to pump more and
more money into Mexico, because if it fails, then we have lost
all the money we put into them last year.
MR. DeFAZIO:
I guess to bring it down to something smaller than billions, I
think I heard very early on in my life and the old saw, you know,
"If you owe the bank $1,000 and you cannot pay, you have got a
problem. If you owe the bank $100,000 and you cannot pay, the
bank has got a problem." That is where we are at here.
It is not only ultimately an obligation of the economic
stabilization fund, and it does occur in here that losses can be
incurred, and those losses would have to be made up, but also the
interest earnings, gains or losses of the economic stabilization
fund are reflected in the budget of the United States of America.
So if the economic stabilization fund loans to Mexico, $20
billion or so to Mexico go bad, then suddenly we are told that
not only do we have to come up with the money but that counts as
$20 billion more deficit for the United States of America.
MS. KAPTUR:
On that point, if you look at what we are spending on as a
Nation, the very first set of categories have to do with Social
Security, and especially Medicare, the cost that the taxpayers
subsidize Medicare. Defense is a large expenditure. Then comes
interest rates. Right after that, the fourth largest category of
spending in this Government is to pay the interest on the savings
and loan bailout which totals over $1 trillion. Our children's
children will be paying for that.
So when we get in these debt financing arrangements, what we are
talking about is obligating the people of our country so far down
the road you can hardly even see the end of it.
But in this situation with Mexico, we are not talking about money
we owe to ourselves. We are talking about money that is owed to
investors and creditors to foreign nations. This is a very
different animal than that exchange stabilization fund was meant
to be used for in the past.
I think what we are seeing is a different form of foreign aid,
which does not have to be voted on here in the Congress, and that
is not how a democracy should function or a democratic republic
should function. We should have the debate here. We as a people
must make a decision about what our relationship is to various
countries around the world.
MR. SANDERS:
My recollection -- and help me out here -- is that foreign aid
that we do vote on is about what, $15 or $16 billion?
MS. KAPTUR:
That is right.
MR. SANDERS:
There is a lot of debate. Many people throughout this country
think that is too much.
MS. KAPTUR:
Half of that is weapons.
MR. SANDERS:
All right. What we should appreciate is that this loan guarantee
to Mexico puts us at risk for over double what our entire foreign
aid package is today. Is that correct?
MS. KAPTUR:
That is correct. The gentleman is correct. I kept listening to
the President when he said, "Oh, this is not anything serious.
This is just cosigning a loan." I would say to the gentleman from
Oregon and the gentleman from Vermont what if someone came up to
you and said, "Would you sign a loan with me for $50,000? Right
now, sign it?"
MR. SANDERS:
For you, Ms. Kaptur, absolutely
MS. KAPTUR:
But maybe you do not know what my finances are like. I mean,
would you not want to know the credit history of that person,
what kind of assets the person had? And there is absolutely a
risk that something might go wrong. Cosigning the loan does not
absolve risk.
MR. SANDERS:
I was on a national television program the other day and one of
the proponents of this bailout was saying, well, the Mexican
economy is basically in good shape; they are having a short-term
cash flow problem. But basically it is strong. One of my
colleagues here talked about the national debt of Mexico. Is, in
fact, the Mexican economy strong and stable?
MS. KAPTUR:
The Mexican economy is not strong and stable, and the nation is
not politically stable, which is why there is all of this moving
up and down of the value of the peso. Mexico owes somewhere
between $160 and $200 billion. That is with a "b". That is in
public debt that is owed to other creditors. This is only one
small piece of it. This is probably the piece that they thought
they might be able to bite off without too many people
disagreeing, but there is a lot more money owed, and then inside
Mexico, because of the strange relationship between their private
sector and their public sector and their banks, there are all
kinds of debts internal to Mexico, and with interest rates going
up there and with the inflation rates going up, it is a very
unstable economic situation inside of Mexico.
The value of their money has just been cut in half. Lots of
businesses there have loans. The relationship of those businesses
to their banks, to the inflation rate, et cetera, is a very
unstable situation, and the largest revenue generator to the
Government is Pemex, the oil company.
Over, I think, nearly half the revenues of that Government are
generated by Pemex, so that is another place that the oil
revenues are pledged as collateral to their own Government.
I happen to believe that Mexico's main problems are not economic
but, rather, social and political; in other words, if you could
get a system there that operated in a more democratic fashion,
could you begin to put the pieces in place of an economic order
that shared the wealth with the vast majority of people rather
than just a few people on top.
MR. SANDERS:
The main point I wanted to make very briefly is that it is not
for sure that this $40 billion loan guarantee is without
significant risk, and that is the main point I wanted to make.
MS. KAPTUR:
It is absolutely with significant risk.
MR. DeFAZIO:
I think this was a question I asked very early on when I was
contacted, when I filed my legislation to withdraw from NAFTA.
They brought up all of these concerns about how it would further
destabilize the economic situation. They said we are only
cosigning, and I said, well, I understood if someone had
impeccable credit they would not need a cosigner. Usually you
want a cosigner because no one else wants to extend you credit,
and they think maybe you would not be good for it. If Mexico's
credit is so great, I suggest they go to the same Wall Street
financiers who have made 20- to 50-percent interest, nice rate of
return, and perhaps say, "Look, you have been making a lot of
money down in Mexico, how about extending some loans on favorable
terms, maybe only 15-20 percent interest per year as opposed to
what we have been paying you, still better than you can get
generally in the United States stock market, S&P index, United
States Treasury, better than you can get anywhere else."
I would assume the Wall Street financiers, thinking there is no
problem, if they want the Government to cosign, why do not they
just do it directly? Why do not they do it themselves? They are
telling us we will make money on this. The taxpayers might make
money on it. Might lose $40 billion on it, but, this is a river
boat gamble. We are river boat gamblers with $40 billion of
assets of the United States of America that belong to the people
of this country. I do not think so. That is not our role here.
Let the people on Wall Street be the river boat gamblers, not the
people on Main Street.
MS. KAPTUR:
I am telling you, if those people on Wall Street and in the banks
around this country made as risky investments as this group did
down in Mexico, our entire banking system would be in a state of
collapse.
MR. SANDERS:
Essentially what we want is two things. We need far more
information about this bailout and, second of all, and most
importantly, we want the U.S. Congress, which presumably was
elected to represent the American people, to be able to vote this
thing up or down, and in my view, the Congress would vote it
down.
Now, I think if the American people are upset about this process,
it is terribly important that they stand up, they tell the
President and the Republican leadership that they understand what
is going on, that they want a vote on the floor of the House,
they want the Members of Congress to represent their interest and
not put $40 billion at risk.
So we hope very much that the people will stand up, fight back,
and start calling their Members of Congress, the President's
office, and the leadership to demand a vote on this important
issue.
MS. KAPTUR:
I want to thank the gentleman from Vermont [Mr. Sanders] for
joining us this evening, the gentleman from Oregon [Mr. DeFazio],
the gentleman from Mississippi [Mr. Taylor], and the gentleman
from Ohio [Mr. Brown].
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*USA Today*, Feb. 8, 1995, very tiny item: Mexico Plan Foes Fail:
Opponents of President Clinton's $20 billion rescue plan for
Mexico's embattled peso failed to dramatize their opposition
through a resolution seeking to reassert Congressional authority
over government spending. Critics lost a 288-143 floor vote that
would have allowed debate on the matter. -- Juan J. Waite.
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*Washington Times*, National Weekly Edition, Feb. 20-26, 1995:
House will debate peso bailout: In a sharp reversal, House
Republican leaders will accede to demands from GOP freshman [and
others] and allow full floor debate on President Clinton's $47.5
billion bailout plan, which bypassed Congress.
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*NBC News*, Bill Moyers commentary, Feb. 21, 1995 -- a good
commentary in which Moyers asks good questions about the bailout.
But notice that the commentary and the questions arrive after the
thing is already a *fait accompli*.
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I consider Skolnick to be an honest and careful investigator.]
[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put
out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up
the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]
Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts,
9800 South Oglesby.
Behind the scenes, a fight has broken out between U.S. Treasury
and the Justice Department.
Under Clinton, Justice has retained a large percentage of Bush
appointees. Justice, however, is determined to cover up several
crimes committed jointly by Clinton, Bush, and Ollie North. An
example is the dope smuggling through the airport at Mena,
Arkansas. The dope money has been laundered through Arkansas
banks and through ones in Chicago, such as Garfield Ridge Trust
and Savings Bank, owned and operated by former congressman Dan
Rostenkowski and their gang.
Also acting as a dope money laundry has been the highly corrupt,
highly political, Chicago Mercantile Exchange, the Chicago Board
of Trade, and the Chicago Board Options Exchange.
On the other hand, long-time career employees of the Treasury are
*determined* to bring out in the open crimes committed by
Democrats as well as [by] Republican hot-shots.
ITEM: The Treasury is aware that Clinton has tens of millions of
narco-dollars deposited in Swiss and other banks under the code
name, "Chelsea Jefferson" -- "Chelsea" being his daughter's name,
and "Jefferson" being his middle name. The Treasury has other
code names and numbers as well, and amounts -- all traced back to
the Columbian dope connection.
Aware of all this, so-called "new" Democrats want Clinton to
quickly resign. The GOP, on the other hand, wants to use Clinton
as a scandal-ridden punching bag over several months. The big-
money crowd will decide when to throw "Sludge Willy" to the wall.
Can Clinton deal with the growing crisis of currency, huh!? The
Mexican peso debacle as well as the money crash in Spain, Sweden,
Brazil, and Argentina. The news fakers kept urging know-nothings
to invest in so-called "emerging markets" outside the U.S. They
should be called "*submerging* markets". Clinton is too much of a
wimp to deal with a run on the mutual funds in the wake of the
foreign currency crash.
Justice is trying to *block* the Treasury Department from
bringing out in the open the "China White" scandal, the high-
purity heroin pouring in and flooding in from China through
Joliet, just south of Chicago. Reportedly implicated are former
Illinois Governor Jim Thompson [a.k.a. "Big Jim"] and his gang.
He's now chairman of the world-wide, Chicago-based law firm of
Winston and Strawn. Treasury claims that "Big Jim's" law firm is
being used to coordinate *huge* "China White" shipments -- all to
bail out the Rockefeller banks, such as the First National Bank
of Chicago that loaned billions of dollars to deadbeat China.
("Big Jim" all along has been a Rockefeller agent.)
Three partners of the law firm and eight support staff confirm:
internal documents tend to incriminate "Big Jim" and his gang,
and his puppet, Illinois Governor Jim Edgar [a.k.a. "Little
Jim"].
Both the Treasury Department and the Justice Department are
nervous about the secret transfer of a $50 million contingency
fund of Resolution Trust Corporation [RTC]. It was sent, from
Chicago to Little Rock, to cover up $47 million reportedly
embezzled from a Little Rock savings and loan by Clinton and his
wife. Interwoven in the transfer details is the murder of White
House aide Vincent Foster, jr. He and Hillary worked crooked
savings and loan bailout deals in the Chicago area for RTC --
which is headquartered here *inside* the law firm of Hopkins and
Sutter.
In the Treasury/Justice Department fight, you can expect more
bodies to fall off of buildings, such as happened to a senior
investigator expert of the Resolution Trust Corporation. He
wanted to go further into the Clinton White House scandals.
In Chicago, see us on cable tv, channel 21, 9 pm [cst] most
Monday evenings.
(312) 731-1100 is our main message. Donations appreciated.
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THE ANDREUCCETTI AFFAIR
=======================
[...continued...]
[CN -- I am jumping ahead here, due to late breaking events of
which I have just been informed.]
[CN -- Note also that I neither necessarily believe nor
disbelieve either all or portions of the following. I am merely a
journalist in this matter. I am willing to post replies of
reasonable length from responsible parties.]
RECEIVED: Feb. 21, 1995
United States District Court
Northern District of Illinois
Eastern Division
Mark Sato, et al., plaintiffs )
) No. 92 C 7048
vs. )
) Judge Wayne Andersen
Shirley Peterson, et al., defendants ) Magistrate Joan Lefkow
Notice of Motion
Please be informed that on February 21, 1995, the undersigned
filed with the Clerk of the above Court, and will present the
same on April 20, 1995, at 10 a.m., before Magistrate Joan H.
Lefkow, or any Magistrate or Judge sitting in her place and
stead, in the Dirksen Federal Building, 219 So. Dearborn St.,
Chicago, IL 60604, the attached Motion for Leave with Further
Amendments thereto attached of Second AMENDED Verified Complaint,
and supporting Verification, and Verification set out below, all
herewith served upon you.
Since the Magistrate stated on February 16, 1995, that she would
rule by mail on pending motions for leave, it may not be
necessary for these plaintiffs to present the attached Motion on
the said April 20, 1995.
(signed) Joseph Andreuccetti
(signed) Sherman H. Skolnick
Verification including Proof of Service
The undersigned does hereby certify under the provisions of 28
U.S.CA. Sec. 1746, as follows:
1. That the matters stated in the attached Motion for Leave are
true and correct to his personal knowledge or are matters of
record or of law, and in either case, are true.
2. That he caused a copy of this Verification, Notice of Motion
above, attached Motion for Leave with Further Amendments thereto
attached, and Verification in Support, to be served on those
above named [CN -- Christine A. Grant, Eileen Marutzky, Senator
Orrin Hatch, and others named in the document in my possession],
at addresses there shown, by sending them each a copy in duly
addressed, sealed, and stamped envelopes, and depositing in U.S.
Mail Box on February 21, 1995.
Executed on February 21, 1995.
(signed) Joseph Andreuccetti
Motion for Leave to File Further Amendments to Second
Amended Verified Complaint, with Further Amendments Attached
[CN -- As noted, I am skipping ahead. I hope to soon post the
original complaint.]
Comes now Joseph Andreuccetti and Sherman H. Skolnick,
plaintiffs, pro se, and move the Court for an Order granting them
leave to file further amendments to Second Amended Verified
Complaint, and for grounds state:
1. As shown in attached further amendments, certain events
occurred since the events stated in Second Amended Verified
Complaint, and since the Amendments thereto, which should be
included therein.
2. Said further amendments are attached hereto and made a part
hereof.
3. Said plaintiffs ask for leave as aforesaid.
(signed) Joseph Andreuccetti, plaintiff, pro se
(signed) Sherman H. Skolnick, plaintiff, pro se
Further Amendments to Second Amended Verified Complaint
Plaintiffs, pro se, Joseph Andreuccetti and Sherman H. Skolnick
add the following to Count Three, following paragraph 29:
29D. That on February 16, 1995, at or about 10 a.m., there was a
hearing in the instant case before Magistrate Judge Joan H.
Lefkow. Present were: plaintiffs Sherman H. Skolnick, Joseph
Andreuccetti, Robert E. Cleveland, Mark Sato, and Gerald H.
Parshall, Jr., with Parshall representing the defendants;
Parshall being from the United States Department of Justice, Tax
Division, Trial Attorney, Washington, D.C.
29E. After said hearing, in the hallway outside Courtroom 1858,
present were: Skolnick, Andreuccetti, Sato, and Cleveland, and
Parshall. Parshall stated to plaintiffs Skolnick and Andreuccetti
as follows:
(a) Parshall said he was going to go to Chief Bankruptcy Judge
John D. Schwartz to tell him that plaintiffs Skolnick and
Andreuccetti have made serious accusations against Schwartz, the
same as in Count One, paragraph 13, adopted here by reference as
if verbatim herein set forth, meaning to be understood by
Parshall on behalf of defendants herein and was so understood by
plaintiffs Skolnick and Andreuccetti as follows:
(1) That the defendants, by and through Parshall, are going to
seek to force, compel, and coerce Judge Schwartz to mis-use his
federal judicial power and authority, to threaten plaintiffs
Skolnick and Andreuccetti with contempt and jail, to silence said
plaintiffs and intimidate them into withdrawing and nullifying
said paragraph 13 of Count One;
[CN -- Paragraph 13 of Count One: "By words and statements,
she {CN -- Lynette Redmer, connected in some capacity with
the IRS, Criminal Investigations Division} confirmed that she
recognized that Chief Bankruptcy Judge John D. Schwartz, in
Joe's {CN -- Andreuccetti's} long-standing case, was highly
corrupt. She did not deny or dispute that Judge Schwartz has
a net worth of 140 million dollars and has not filed a proper
federal tax return in thirty years. She cautioned Skolnick
that it was improper for him, 'to have those records,' of her
agency.]
(2) That the defendants, by and through Parshall, are threatening
to damage plaintiffs Skolnick and Andreuccetti, in their persons,
properties, and liberties, if said plaintiffs repeat said serious
accusations on the Cable Television Show "Broadsides", in which
Skolnick is a regular panel commentator and Andreuccetti from
time to time assists the same;
(3) That the defendants, by and through Parshall, are threatening
to damage plaintiffs Skolnick and Andreuccetti, in their persons,
properties, and liberties, by way of a Justice Department cover
up of the 50 million dollar transfer of Resolution Trust
Corporation funds, parked with Household International; that is,
the clandestine transfer of said funds to Little Rock, Arkansas,
to cover up the embezzlement and mis-appropriation of some 47
million dollars from a federally insured Savings and Loan in
Arkansas, for which a federal grand jury is considering federal
criminal indictments against Hillary Rodham Clinton and William
Jefferson Clinton, respectively First Lady and President of the
U.S.; further, the clandestine transfer from Little Rock with the
assistance of Fuji Bank, to the Cayman Islands and from there to
a purported clandestine account with the purported code Chelsea
Jefferson in Switzerland; related to Count One herein, paragraph
18, adopted here by reference as if verbatim herein set forth;
(4) That the defendants, by and through Parshall, are threatening
to damage plaintiff Andreuccetti in his person, property, and
liberty, for him having filed a form 211 of IRS, attached to
Second Amended Verified Complaint and adopted here by reference
as if verbatim herein set forth;
(5) That the defendants, by and through Parshall, are threatening
to damage plaintiffs Skolnick and Andreuccetti in their persons,
properties, and liberties, in that defendants perceive that these
plaintiffs caused the matters of Judge Schwartz, the clandestine
transfer of RTC funds as aforesaid, on which Andreuccetti has a
long-pending claim, and related IRS and Justice Department
corruption, to be circulated and distributed worldwide on the
information superhighway known as Internet; that these matters
appeared on Internet just prior to the said February 16, 1995
hearing before Magistrate Lefkow at which Parshall was present on
behalf of the IRS, the Justice Department, and other entities,
official and unofficial, all of which have an interest to silence
and damage these plaintiffs under the pretense of federal
authority, damaging these plaintiffs in their persons,
properties, and liberties;
(6) That the defendants, by and through Parshall, are seeking to
damage plaintiffs Skolnick and Andreuccetti in their persons,
properties, and liberties, in that defendants have the data to
blackmail Judge John D. Schwartz to so damage these plaintiffs;
in that Schwartz, as known to the defendants, is corruptly linked
and implicated with the nefarious and corrupt acts and doings of
Household International, Pinnacle Banc Group, as the successor
and alter ego of the criminal enterprises known as Bank of Credit
and Commerce International, First Midwest Bank, Bishop Paul
Marcinkus, previously head of Vatican Bank and principal force
behind Andreuccetti's tormentor First National Bank of Cicero now
Pinnacle Banc Group, and Marcinkus having as his godson and or
nephew Christian Henning, Jr., who falsely alleged he was
Andreuccetti's business partner;
(7) That the defendants, by and through Parshall, know full well
that Judge Schwartz is pliable and blackmailable by the
defendants and could easily be compelled, coerced, and activated
to jail plaintiffs Skolnick and Andreuccetti; defendants knowing
full well Schwartz is implicated in RTC secret fund transfer.
(8) That the defendants, by and through Parshall, are conveying
to plaintiffs Skolnick and Andreuccetti that the power of the
Justice Department stands against said plaintiffs; that the
Justice Department and the defendants could allow, permit,
condone, and acquiesce in bodily harm and other damage to be
inflicted on plaintiffs and that nothing could or would be done
against the perpetrators; similar to the defendants and the
Justice Department covering up and suppressing that the senior
investigation specialist of the RTC, knowledgeable about the
aforesaid 50 million dollar clandestine transfer, Jon Parnell
Walker, was suicided, that is, murdered, and the Justice
Department and the defendants have arranged that nothing be done
to investigate the matter, up to the time of the appointment of
the Independent Counsel; that the corruption of Judge Schwartz is
linked to the secret transfer of 50 million dollars of RTC, as
aforesaid, to try to keep Clinton and his wife from jail; that
the corruption of Judge Schwartz is linked to Justice Department
corruption in the INSLAW Affair where more than 41 witnesses were
murdered while the matter was about to commence and/or pending
before a Special Federal Grand Jury in Chicago; that Skolnick as
a federal grand jury witness complained of said murders in a
civil suit to no avail, with the Justice Department defendants
covering up the same.
(9) That the defendants, by and through Parshall, meant it to be
understood and it was so understood by plaintiffs Skolnick and
Andreuccetti, that these plaintiffs should shut their mouths and
watch what they are saying in and out of Court; in that as known
to the defendants and the Justice Department, there is a secret
unit there that carries out domestic and foreign political
murders; as INSLAW contends.
[...to be continued...]
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[CN Editor -- I cannot vouch for the accuracy of *all* of the
following. It may or may not be true, I just don't know. However
I consider Skolnick to be an honest and careful investigator.]
[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put
out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up
the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]
Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts,
9800 South Oglesby.
Some very clever folks put together some super-duper computer
software. The company was called INSLAW, and their software,
called PROMIS, was designed, originally, to track the caseload of
federal prosecutors.
The Justice Department was one of their most important customers.
At the time, the head of the Justice Department was Edwin Meese.
And, he had a *better* idea. Feeling "above the law", he and his
cronies *stole* the software and used it without paying! So it
ended up, for example, running the FBI office in Chicago.
Meese and Reagan needed to reward some folks who helped torpedo
Jimmy Carter's Presidential re-election bid in 1980. To make
Carter seem like a wimp, they arranged to delay the release of
the American hostages in Iran. The whole dirty, treasonous mess
is called, "The October Surprise".
The PROMIS software was also ideal to track people, worldwide, by
satellite. So, the October Surprise conspirators sold, or gave
it, to intelligence agencies: Sweden, Iraq, Israel, France, and
others.
Deprived of their product, and their income, the INSLAW company
went into bankruptcy. The bankruptcy court judge, after extensive
hearings, ruled the Justice Department big-shots had used fraud
and deceit to steal the software. A district court judge upheld
the verdict. A federal appeals panel, however, made a highly
corrupt ruling that the bankruptcy judge lacked jurisdiction!
*Oh*, *yeah*!? As a result, the Justice Department arranged to
have the bankruptcy judge removed from the bench!
Along the way, INSLAW's attorneys put into official record that
they had uncovered data -- now get this -- showing the Justice
Department had a secret unit that committed domestic and foreign
political murders.
While a Chicago special federal grand jury was *also*
investigating the INSLAW affair, 41 grand jury witnesses were
murdered! Some of *our* group [CCCC] were also set to be
witnesses, and we complained about all this in a federal court
civil suit, to *no* *avail*. The trail is long, and highly
complicated. Our [CCCC] chairman interviewed a key official here
of the IRS who *admitted* there was high-level corruption in
related matters in the IRS and the Justice Department. That
interview became part of pending federal litigation.
So what happened? Well, from Washington the Justice Department
flew in one of their honchos to repeatedly threaten us in the
hallway, outside a federal courtroom. The details are now a
matter of court record [CN -- e.g., see CN4-11 and ongoing]. And
the meaning of it all is, we are threatened by the corrupt
Justice Department with jail for contempt, and bodily harm! All
for telling the truth here and on our popular Monday evening
weekly cable TV show.
No, there is no one in authority to complain to. It's a totally
corrupt situation. Our court of last resort is the public.
Ordinarily, we "play down" situations that put us in personal
jeopardy. But this is an emergency, created by the Justice
Department and their corruption.
The threats against us were outside the courtroom of U.S.
Magistrate Joan Lefkow, [who is] considering our case accusing
top officials of corruption. She's being blackmailed by the
Justice Department and the IRS to torpedo our case. Why? Because
she has recently been appointed to a lifetime position as federal
district judge, and the crooked IRS and the Justice Department
have the power and the clout to wreck her appointment before she
is confirmed.
In Chicago, see us on cable tv, channel 21, 9 pm [cst] most
Monday evenings.
Play it again: "What the Dope Business is Really All About".
(312) 731-1505.
New message Monday; we change it several times a week.
Donations appreciated. Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the
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[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put
out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up
the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]
Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts,
9800 South Oglesby.
So what is the dope business all about, huh? The news fakers
emphasize small-time junkies in federal court. Major [drug]
traffickers are seldom if ever mentioned.
ITEM: Large quantities of marijuana come into the Calumet region,
for distribution nationwide, in railroad boxcars originating in
Mexico -- supposedly with auto parts for Ford Motors' assembly
plant in South Chicago and near Chicago Heights. The boxcar seals
are broken, indicating tampering, and reeking of what law
enforcement calls "Mary Jane". The federal and local narcotics
police have been corrupted and/or are fearful of being dumped in
the canal if they interfere with this high-level, federal
government-protected operation.
ITEM: Related airplane traffic reportedly comes and goes from
south suburban Lansing airport, and the one in Joliet, and far-
north suburban Pewaukee Airport. Also, nearby truck traffic is
related. The DEA [Drug Enforcement Agency] and the FAA [Federal
Aviation Administration] have auditioned for the part of "the
three monkeys" -- they don't see, hear, or know anything!
ITEM: A wholesale meat supply outfit in the Calumet region
reportedly brings in narcotics by truck in the middle of the
night! The money proceeds are reportedly "washed" through a chain
of fast food spots. Also reportedly suspected of laundering the
dope loot is Mercantile National Bank of Indiana, headquartered
in Hammond, the chain of banks called First Midwest, and
Household International and their units, Household Bank. The bank
regulator fakers are well-aware of all this, but *they* play the
part of "the three monkeys".
ITEM: Most of the petty doper cases are heard in Chicago's
federal courts: the U.S. District Court and the Federal Appeals
Court here, seventh circuit, covering Wisconsin, Indiana, and
Illinois. Many of the judges in these courts are financially
interlocked with Continental Bank, now part of Bank America. For
decades and decades, both banks have been a front for
"laundering" criminal enterprises. For many years, the Mafia-
Vatican-CIA bank owned a chunk of both bank rackets. Now, the
huge Japanese Mafia, the Yakusa, owns Bank America and their
unit, Continental Bank. Also, the authors of a book entitled
*Yakusa* contend [that] half of all the new buildings [in]
downtown Chicago are secretly owned by the Japanese underworld.
Also, reportedly, the Fairmont Hotel here.
ITEM: In November '94, on our cable TV show, we did an exclusive
one-hour presentation on "The CIA and the Dope Business",
relating to "China White", the high-purity narcotic flooding into
the united States by way of Joliet, just south of Chicago. The
dope smuggling is reportedly orchestrated by Rockefeller's long-
time agent, Jim Thompson [a.k.a. "Big Jim"], former Illinois
Governor and later, chairman of the worldwide law factory called
"Winston & Strawn". Three law partners and eight support staff
have, off the record, confirmed to us that our TV show was true
and correct.
ITEM: In a related matter, one Winston & Strawn former partner,
Chester Nozel(sp?), is trying to dissolve the Winston & Strawn
firm. However, a judge in Chicago has ordered the case impounded!
In other words, kept secret.
ITEM: On our cable TV show, we asked most guests that were
candidates for public office what *they* would do about the CIA
complicity in the dope business. Huh-huh. You probably guessed
what happened: *none* of the candidates gave us a straight
answer! (By the way, some call it [i.e., CIA] the "Cocaine Import
Agency".)
The dope business continues on a high level because of high-level
government complicity. Call up your local news fakers and tell
them to stop kidding us about the dope business, huh?
In Chicago, see us on cable tv, channel 21, 9 pm [cst] most
Monday evenings.
(312) 731-1100 is our main message. Donations appreciated.
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[CN -- Received the following from a CN reader]
Dear Brian,
I put together a few articles that might interest you. The first
is excerpts from the article about Mena that was supposed to
appear in the *Washington Post*, but you know what happened.... It
appeared in the final edition of *New American View*...
Maybe there's something there for Conspiracy of the Day.
Best of luck for COD. All the best.
[...]
-----------------------------------------------
Exclusive
The Crimes of Mena
Clinton and the Cult of Intelligence
The following are excerpts from an article by former National
Security Council staffer Roger Morris and Sally Denton. This
amazing story was scheduled to appear in the *Washington Post on
January 29 - after months of delay by the Clintonites and the CIA
cultists at the *Post. However, in a last minute turnaround by the
editor of the *Post, the story was not published (see accompanying
item from *The Sunday Telegraph).
If the story ever makes headline news it is almost certain to
bring down the Clinton presidency. Moreover, though, it threatens
much more than a presidency - it exposes the total corrupt and
debased nature of consecutive U.S. Administrations.
Of the many stories emerging from the Arkansas of the 1980s that
was the crucible of the Clinton presidency, none has been more
elusive - nor more ominous - than the specter of major drug
smuggling, gunrunning and money laundering tracing to the tiny
town of Mena, nestled in the dense pine forests of the Ouachita
Mountains some 150 miles due west of Little Rock.
Local Internal Revenue Service agent Bill Duncan, Arkansas State
Police investigator Russell Welch, Arkansas Attorney General
Winston Bryant, then-Congressman Bill Alexander and various other
officials and citizens in the state all believed by the late 1980s
that they had what Bryant termed "credible evidence" of the most
serious criminal activity involving Mena between 1981 and 1986,
crimes seemingly with the acquiescence if not complicity of
elements of the U.S. government. Mena's obscure Intermountain
Airport they thought to be a base for Adler Berriman (Barry) Seal,
a self-confessed, convicted smuggler whose operations were said to
be linked to the intelligence community, and who was murdered by
Colombian assassins early in 1986 after Seal testified for the
U.S. government in a prosecution of leaders of the Medellin drug
cartel.
After 1987, Duncan, Welch and others pressed for a number of
official investigations into the alleged Mena connection. To their
mounting dismay and alarm, every inquiry would be inexplicably
ineffectual or else stifled altogether, and their own careers
damaged in the process, furthering their suspicions of
higher-level collusion and cover-up - and in any case leaving the
larger mystery of what had really happened in the woods of western
Arkansas.
Now, however, a new mass of documentary evidence relating to Barry
Seal has come to light, substantiating the worst suspicions about
Mena as never before.
Gathered from various sources over the course of the past year,
the more than 2,000 documents span the years 1981-1986, and
include Seal's bank and telephone records; negotiable instruments,
promissory notes and invoices; personal correspondence; address
and appointment books; bills of sale for aircraft and parts;
aircraft registration and modification work orders; personal
diaries, handwritten "to do" lists and other private notes;
secretly tape-recorded conversations; cryptographic keys and
legends for codes used in the Seal operation; numerous depositions
and other sworn statements - and, not least, extensive official
records, including federal investigative and surveillance reports,
accounting assessments by the IRS and Drug Enforcement Agency, and
previousIy unreported court testimony as well as confidential
pre-sentencing memoranda in federal narcotics trafficking trials
in Florida and Nevada.
Startling Evidence
Among only a few of its revelations, the Seal Archive provides
documentation:
* That Mena, Arkansas from 1981 to 1986 was indeed one of the
centers of an international smuggling traffic, amounting - by
official IRS and DEA calculations, sworn court testimony and other
corroborative records - to many thousands of pounds or kilos of
cocaine and heroin, and literally hundreds of millions of dollars
in drug profits.
* That Seal himself spent hundreds of thousands at the Mena
airport to land, base, maintain and specially equip or refit his
aircraft for smuggling. According to personal and business
records, he had extensive associations locally at Mena and in
Little Rock, and was in nearly constant telephone contact with
Mena when he was not there himself, including repeated calls just
before the day of his murder in 1986.
* That as a former member of the U.S. Army's Special Forces, Seal
had ties to the Central Intelligence Agency dating to the early
1970s. He had confided to relatives and others, according to their
sworn statements, that he was a CIA operative before and during
the period when he was establishing his operations at Mena.
* That Federal Aviation Administration registration records
confirm that aircraft officially identified or admitted to be in
the Seal smuggling operation at Mena and elsewhere were previously
owned by Air America, Inc., a known CIA "proprietary" company.
Emile Camp, one of Seal's pilots and a witness to some of his most
significant dealings, was killed on a mountainside near Mena in
1985, in the unexplained crash of one of those planes previously
belonging to Air America.
* According to still other Seal records, at least some of the
aircraft of his smuggling fleet, which numbered a Learjet,
helicopters, and former U.S. military transports, were also
outfitted with avionics and other equipment by yet another company
in turn linked to Air America.
* That among the aircraft flown in and out of Mena was Seal's
C-123K cargo plane, christened *Fat Lady. The records show that
*Fat Lady, serial number 54-0679, was sold by Seal months before
his death. According to still other files, the plane soon found
its way to a "phantom company" of what became known in the
Iran-contra scandal as "The Enterprise," the CIA-related secret
entity managed by then-Col. Oliver North and others to smuggle
illegal weapons to the Nicaraguan contra rebels, and, according to
former Drug Enforcement Agency agent Celerino Castillo and others,
allegedly involved as well in a return traffic in cocaine, profits
from which were then used to finance more clandestine gunrunning.
* Federal aviation records show that in October, 1986, the same
*Fat Lady from Mena, serial number 54-0679, was shot down over
Nicaragua with a load of arms destined for the contras. The doomed
aircraft was co-piloted by a Wallace Blaine (Buzz) Sawyer who was
himself from Magnolia in western Arkansas and who died in the
crash. It was the lone surviving crew member in that downing,
Eugene Hasenfus, whose admission of covert activity began a public
unraveling of the Iran-contra episode.
* That the hundreds of millions in profits generated by the Seal
trafficking via Mena and elsewhere resulted in extraordinary
banking and business practices in apparent efforts to "launder" or
disperse the vast illicit money in Arkansas and elsewhere. The
Seal financial records show for the early 1980s, for example,
instances of daily deposits of $50,000 or more, and extensive use
of an offshore, foreign bank in the Caribbean as well as financial
institutions in Arkansas and Florida. (On October 9, the London
*Sunday Telegraph reported independently the existence of
"numerous" other foreign bank accounts in Seal's name, including
one said to contain over a billion dollars.)
* That Seal was scarcely alone in his extensive smuggling through
Mena and elsewhere over the period 1981-86, commonly described in
both federal and state law enforcement files among the Seal papers
as one of the largest drug trafficking operations in the U.S. at
the time, if not in the history of the drug trade. He was "only
the transport," documents show Seal confiding on one occasion,
pointing to an extensive network of narcotics distribution and
finance in Arkansas and other states. As one example, the Seal
records show him to have been a close associate of a group
eventually prosecuted for major narcotics trafficking in
neighboring Kentucky.
* That in explicit recognition of Seal's extraordinary
significance in the drug trade - and thus of the magnitude and
importance of Mena as one of his main bases - U.S. government
prosecutors made him their chief witness in a 1985 Miami trial *in
absentia* of Medellin drug lords, in another 1985 trial of what
federal officials regarded as the largest narcotics trafficking
case to date in Las Vegas, Nevada, and in still a third
prosecution of corrupt officials in the Turks and Caicos Islands.
At the same time, court records and other documents reveal a
studied indifference by government prosecutors to Seal's earlier
and ongoing operations in Mena.
The Barry Seal files are vindication for dedicated officials in
Arkansas and others who kept an all-too-authentic story alive amid
wider indifference. What happened to some nine different official
investigations into Mena after 1987, from allegedly compromised
federal grand juries to congressional inquiries suppressed by the
National Security Council in 1988 under Ronald Reagan, to still
later Justice Department inaction under George Bush?
Officials apparently invoked "national security" to quash most of
the invesigations. Court documents do show clearly that the CIA
and DEA employed Seal in 1984-85 for the Reagan administration's
celebrated "sting" attempting to implicate thc Nicaraguan
Sandinista regime in cocaine trafficking.
Having assessed Seal posthumously for some $86 million in back
taxes on his huge smuggler's earnings from Mena and elsewhere
between 1981 and 1983, as his tax records show, even the IRS
forgave hundreds of millions in known drug and gun profits over
the ensuing two-year period when Seal was in effect moonlighting
for the U.S. government. "... Worked for the DEA/CIA," an IRS
agent noted pointedly across one of the papers in a file on Seal's
taxes.
But to follow the IRS logic, what of the years, crimes and profits
at Mena in the early 1980s *before* Barry Seal became an
acknowledged federal operative, and then reported drug trafficking
activities at Mena even after his murder, crimes far removed from
his admitted cooperation as government informant and witness?
Government investigators apparently had no doubt about the scope
and magnitude of those crimes. According to U.S. Customs sources,
Seal's operations at Mena and other bases were involved in the
export of guns to Bolivia, Argentina and Brazil as well as the
contras, and the importation of cocaine from Colombia to be sold
in New York, Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis and other cities, as well
as in Arkansas itself.
Yet again and again over the years, lower level federal or state
law enforcement officers looking into the crimes of Mena found
themselves stymied by the apparent presence of the CIA or other
government involvement. "Joe [deleted] works for Seal, and cannot
be touched because Seal works for the CIA," as one U.S. Customs
official put it in an Arkansas investigation in the early 1980s.
"... A CIA or DEA operation is taking place at the Mena airport,"
an FBI telex advised the Arkansas State Police in August, 1987, 18
months after Seal's assassination.
Significantly, none of the putative inquiries into Mena seems to
have made a serious effort to gather even a fraction of the
available Seal documents now assembled and studied by the
authors.
In over 2,000 documents reflecting intimately a man of meticulous
organization and planning, careful about every detail, Barry Seal
seems to have felt singularly and utterly secure - if not somehow
invulnerable - at least in the air transport and delivery in the
U.S. of tons of cocaine, done ceaselessly for more than five
years. His most personal papers show him all but unconcerned about
the very flights and drops, say law enforcement sources, that
would indeed have been protected or "fixed" by the collusion of
U.S. intelligence.
If the Seal documents show anything, an attentive reader might
conclude, it is that ominous implication of some official
sanction. Over the entire episode looms the unmistakable dark
shape of U.S. government complicity in vast drug trafficking and
gunrunning, and in a decade-long cover-up of the criminality.
Clinton's Involvement
Finally, of course, there are somber questions about then-Gov.
Bill Clinton's own role *vis-a-vis the crimes of Mena. He has
acknowledged learning officially about Mena only in April, 1988,
though a state police investigation of Mena, reportedly amounting
to thousands of pages, had been in progress for several years, and
as the state's chief executive Clinton was customarily abreast of
such inquiries. In his one public statement on the matter as
governor in September, 1991, he spoke of that state police
investigation finding "linkages to the federal government" and
"all kinds of questions about whether he [Seal] had any links to
the CIA... and if that backed into the Iran-contra deal."
But then, inexplicably, Clinton did not at any time seize on the
issue or offer further support for any inquiry, "despite the
fact," as Bill Plante and Michael Singer of CBS News have written,
"that a Republican administration was apparently sponsoring a
contra aid operation in his state and protecting a smuggling ring
that flew tons of cocaine through Arkansas."
Moreover, what of the hundreds of millions generated by Seal's
Mena contraband? The Seal records reveal his dealings with at
least one major Little Rock bank. How much drug money from him or
his associates made its way into criminal laundering in Arkansas's
notoriously free-wheeling financial institutions and bond houses,
some of which are reportedly under investigation by the Whitewater
Special Prosecutor for just such large, unaccountable infusions of
cash and unexplained transactions? "The state offers an enticing
climate for traffickers... " IRS agents had concluded by the end
of the 1980s, documenting a "major increase" in the amount of
large cash and bank transactions in the state after 1985, despite
a struggling local economy.
Meanwhile, others who were prominent backers of Clinton over the
same years have themselves been subjects of extensive
investigative and surveillance files by the DEA and FBI similar to
those relating to Seal. "This may be the first president in
history with such close buddies who have NADDIS numbers," says one
concerned law enforcement official, referring to the Narcotics and
Dangerous Drugs Intelligence System numbers assigned those under
protracted investigation for possible drug crimes. The Seal
documents seem still more proof that for Clinton, the Arkansas of
the 1980s, and the company he kept there, will not soon disappear
as a political or even constitutional liability.
"I've always felt we never got the whole story there..." Clinton
said in his 1991 statement on Mena. Indeed. But as president of
the United States, he need no longer wonder - and neither does the
nation. On the basis of the Seal documents (copies of which are
being given to the Whitewater Special Prosecutor in any case), the
president should ask immediately for a full report on the matter
from what is now the CIA, DEA, FBI, Justice Department and other
relevant agencies of his own administration, including the
long-buried evidence gathered by Duncan and Welch. Clinton should
also offer full executive branch cooperation with a re-opened
congressional inquiry, and expose the subject fully, for what it
says of both our past and future.
As for Seal, he saw himself as a patriot to the end. He had
dictated his own epitaph for his grave in Baton Rouge: "A rebel
adventurer the likes of whom in previous days made America great."
In a sense, his documents may now render that claim less ironic
than it seems.
>From *New American View*, February, 1995. PO Box 999, Herndon,
Virginia.
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SUMMARY OF CONVERSATION WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK
February 27, 1995
I talked by phone for about 40 minutes with Sherman Skolnick of
the Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts. The breaking
story that he and his associates are working on deals with the
collapse of the Baring Brothers Bank in England. He questions,
for one thing, if the bank collapsed on Friday then why did they
wait until Sunday evening/Monday morning to begin breaking the
story. He also notes that the bank is mentioned in one of the
classic books on the "War on Drugs" -- *Dope, Inc.* by the
editors of Executive Intelligence Review. Mr. Skolnick also finds
questionable the story being fronted that the entire collapse of
the bank is attributable to *one* sole employee who has now
(conveniently) disappeared.
I asked as to the recent alleged threats to his person and
liberty allegedly made by a Mr. Parshall of the U.S. Justice
Department. He reports that he has become used to such threats
over his 30 years of investigating government corruption but that
in this case the threats were particularly vehement -- enough to
cause concern. However, as stated, he notes that he has become
used to such threats. For example, he stated that he has been
thrown in jail for contempt of court so many times that he has
become quite used to it. He also gave a clue to alleged Justice
Department operations in his portrayal of how they threaten you,
"They don't say they are going to break your legs with a baseball
bat. They just begin to emphasize some things." So, for example,
regarding Mr. Skolnick's allegations concerning Judge Schwartz
(as is being documented in Conspiracy Nation), Mr. Parshall,
according to Mr. Skolnick, was screaming that he was going to
inform Judge Schwartz as to what Mr. Skolnick has been saying
about Schwartz's alleged corruption.
Why is the Justice Department so upset? As is being reported in
Conspiracy Nation, an IRS employee named Lynn Redmer has decided
to "spill the beans" as to what she knows concerning corruption
in the IRS. Skolnick views this as the sort of situation where
"one of the [IRS] family", so to speak, has broken the code of
silence and that this has got IRS and the government boiling mad.
Skolnick expresses that he hopes Redmer does not herself become
targetted for her brave whistle-blowing effort.
I asked as to how Whitewater was progressing. Readers of
Conspiracy Nation may recall that Skolnick's sources had
previously indicated to him that there was a stalemate in efforts
to bring this story out; that the Democrats and Republicans, both
being "dirty" in the Iran-Contra/Mena imbroglio, had come to an
impasse where an "I won't tell if you won't tell" situation was
in effect. This situation is beginning to moderate, due to the
huge pressure being brought to bring this story out. For example,
there is a Virginia attorney, connected with that State's
government, who has been trying to launch his own investigation
into the supposed "suicide" of White House deputy counsel Vincent
Foster, jr. Skolnick thinks that we will see things heating up in
March and April.
Sherman Skolnick had, years ago, written a book on airline
crashes which was suppressed. He expressed his wish, during our
conversation, to again try to publish a book. His concern however
is that, due to narrow corporate ownership of most publishing
houses, any book he writes will never see the light of day. I
suggested to him that Thunder's Mouth Press might possibly handle
him (Thunder's Mouth was courageous enough, for example, to
publish Mike Levine's *The Big White Lie*). Skolnick said that,
yes, he had considered Thunder's Mouth. He added that he
certainly has got enough documentation because government
employees are routinely albeit surreptitiously sending him
information. I, for one, hope he does get a book out there. Mr.
Skolnick has important information that many would want to know.
Due to Mr. Skolnick's worldwide recognition as a veteran
investigator into corruption, a publisher stands a good chance of
making money from the publication of any book by him.
Mr. Skolnick has tons of documents lying around, and he is
receiving more all the time. One winter, in the middle of a
blizzard, a truck pulled up in front of the offices of the
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] with boxes and
boxes of documents for Mr. Skolnick and his associates.
The "CCCC" is always on the lookout for new ways to "get the word
out". They use their recorded phone message (312-731-1100), they
print and distribute leaflets, and they have their own weekly
public access TV show. The Citizens' Committee is now about to
acquire video equipment which will allow them on-the-spot access
to their sources. Previously, when they had wanted to interview
someone, it was necessary to have the interviewee visit the set
of their show. Now, they will be able to pursue their quarry with
their own cameras. Mr. Skolnick also has received as a gift a
"super-duper fax machine" that he is trying to figure out how to
operate. The machine, once operational, will reputedly be able to
send out over 100 messages simultaneously.
Mr. Skolnick has become used to controversy. In the late 60's,
uproar was so intense after he had brought financial corruption
to light that the Chicago police cordoned off both ends of the
narrow street on which he resides. Mysterious black helicopters
routinely follow he and his associates as they pursue their
investigations. The "CCCC" maintains their phone message, in
part, because some government employees do not dare have their
names on any mailing list that Skolnick and associates might put
out. With the recorded phone message, government employees who
want to know what is going on but who are fearful of surveillance
can sneak to a pay phone and get the "rest of the story".
Finally, as a personal note, I want to add that I found Mr.
Skolnick to be an excellent conversationalist. He was forthcoming
with any information he had and was the sort of person who you
could easily talk with and have the time seem to fly by. He has
an excellent sense of humor, which is a bit too rare, I think,
amongst conspiracy researchers (although he stresses that,
strictly speaking, he is *not* a "conspiracy theorist"). Mr.
Skolnick keeps the frightening truths he uncovers in perspective
by being able to, from time to time, just stand back and laugh at
the whole thing.
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BEST OF TRAFICANT
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As previously noted, the *Congressional Record* is now online via
Mosaic or World Wide Web at http://thomas.loc.gov
The following are selections from some of the 1-minute remarks
made by Representative Traficant of Ohio.
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
COMMENTS ON MEXICAN LOAN GUARANTEE (House - February 23, 1995)
[Page: H2071]
(Mr. TRAFICANT asked and was given permission to address the House
for 1 minute and to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. TRAFICANT. Mr. Speaker, Uncle Sam will not help Washington, DC,
because of waste, fraud, and mismanagement. Let's see if I understand
this: Down there in Mexico there is waste, fraud, mismanagement,
corruption, larceny, kickbacks, bribes, and conspiracy. There is even
an armed revolution to boot. But Uncle Sam can find $53 billion to
bail out Mexico.
Tell me, Mr. Speaker, who is now formulating the policy for the United
States of America? The Three Stooges, or what? Beam me up. When Uncle
Sam can say `Sorry, Charlie,' to Orange County, CA; Washington, DC;
Youngstown, OH; and New York but find $53 billion for Mexico, that
says it all, Congress. Think about it.
_________________________________________________________________
CALLING FOR MEMBERS' ASSISTANCE REGARDING FEDERAL INVESTIGATION
OF WEAVER FAMILY KILLINGS (House - January 24, 1995)
[Page: H548]
(Mr. TRAFICANT asked and was given permission to address the House
for 1 minute and to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. TRAFICANT. Mr. Speaker, in 1992 Federal agents attacked the Weaver
family in Idaho. They killed 14-year-old Sammy Weaver. They shot him
in the back. They then shot an unarmed Mrs. Weaver and killed her,
shooting her right between the eyes as she held her infant baby. They
even killed the dog. Court documents now prove the FBI lied in court.
Federal agents fired first. Weaver was entrapped into a gun violation.
Mr. Speaker, is this the Justice Department or is this the KGB? I
always thought in America our Government does not shoot 14-year-olds
in the back. Our Government does not shoot unarmed mothers while they
hold their infant.
Mr. Speaker, I have asked for a Federal investigation of this matter,
and both sides of the aisle need to provide some oversight to the
agencies of our Justice Department. I would appreciate the Members'
help.
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BARBIE DOLL HAS MOVED TO MEXICO ALONG WITH 700 UNITED STATES JOBS
(House -January 19, 1995)
[Page: H334]
(Mr. TRAFICANT asked and was given permission to address the House
for 1 minute and to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. TRAFICANT. Mr. Speaker, while Congress plays politics with Newt
Gingrich, last night's trade deficit showed a record of $10.5
billion. The 1994 trade deficit, Democrats, will hit a record $154
billion, which is equivalent to 3 million high-paying American jobs
with benefits lost.
It has gotten so bad, Barbie Doll has moved to Mexico. Mattel Inc.,
from New York, is laying off 700 workers. They will make Barbie Dolls
now in Mexico.
Mexico gets jobs, America gets pink slips, and Congress is debating
Newt Gingrich and balanced budget amendments? Beam me up. There is
no intelligent life left in the Congress of the United States.
Where is the trade program of the Democrat Party? We are failing the
American workers, and that is why we are in the minority, quibbling
over the Speaker.
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CUT THE CIA (House - February 15, 1995)
[Page: H1764]
(Mr. TRAFICANT asked and was given permission to address the House
for 1 minute and to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. TRAFICANT. Mr. Speaker, the CIA said they knew nothing of secret
government radiation tests on American guinea pigs in the fifties.
Those guinea pigs were American citizens.
Can you believe this, Government documents now reveal the CIA not only
knew, they funded a radiation testing lab in California to test
American prisoners. Unbelievable. They knew nothing about the mining
of the harbors, they knew nothing about the death-threat manuals, they
knew nothing about Gary Powers. Stone cold lies.
Now, evidence shows that during the Westmoreland-CBS trial, a secret
CIA memo says, `Have we gone beyond reasonable dishonesty?' Reasonable
dishonesty, Members? Lies, stone cold lies through their teeth.
If Government is going to reform itself and cut the size of
Government, Congress should cut the hell out of the CIA.
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STOP THE GRAVY TRAIN FOR RUSSIA (House - February 13, 1995)
[Page: H1620]
(Mr. TRAFICANT asked and was given permission to address the House
for 1 minute and to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. TRAFICANT. Mr. Speaker, you heard about Boris, now get a load of
Yuri. That is right, Yuri Luzhkov, mayor of Moscow, next President of
Russia. Secret meetings, secret budgets, secret records, secret
million dollar deals. This guy Yuri makes Boss Tweed look like mother
Teresa, but he is a prototype, Congress, of new Russian politicians.
He hires his family so he can save money on the car pool.
Meanwhile, they are laughing all the way to the bank with our $12
billion. To boot, it is being put in a Russian bank.
I think Boris and now specifically Yuri leave a lot to be desired,
and I say Congress should stop this $12 billion gravy train for
Russia and invest it in America. I think these guys are no Thomas
Jefferson.
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WHERE ARE THE JOBS PROGRAMS? (House - February 03, 1995)
[Page: H1161]
(Mr. TRAFICANT asked and was given permission to address the House
for 1 minute and to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. TRAFICANT. Mr. Speaker, the economists say that the economy is
great. My question, Mr. Speaker: Are these economists smoking dope or
what? Orange County is bankrupt. The District of Columbia is bankrupt.
The trade deficit hit a record of $153 billion, and Americans keep
getting pink slips.
Listen to this from the State of Washington to Kansas to Philadelphia,
Boeing just laid off 7,000 workers.
Congress, it is jobs, living-wage jobs, and there is not a job program
on the Republican side and there is not a job program on the Democrat
side.
If there is any consolation, Mr. Speaker, Burger King is hiring, and I
never heard of anybody that committed suicide by jumping out of a
basement window.
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FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD IS SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION OF CONGRESS,
NOT THE WHITE HOUSE (House - February 22, 1995)
[Page: H1972]
(Mr. TRAFICANT asked and was given permission to address the House
for 1 minute and to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. TRAFICANT. Mr. Speaker, the Constitution says only Congress can
draw money from the Treasury. It also says only Congress can coin
money, regulate the value thereof and regulate the value of foreign
money. Only Congress, the Constitution says, can regulate commerce
with foreign nations.
The question I ask, Congress, is under what authority did Robert Rubin
sign an agreement to bail out Mexico? To me it is unbelievable.
Now, the Washington Times reported that our bailout is going to bail
out the Mexican banks and Mexican companies. Ladies and gentlemen, we
are bailing out Mexican banks, we are putting our banks on the line
here and our taxpayers in the fire.
I disagree with this. I think the Federal Reserve Board is subject to
the jurisdiction of Congress, not the White House. It is time for a
constitutional court case to determine that.
I plan to challenge the bailout in court.
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WELFARE QUEENS AND THE WELFARE KINGS OF THE CORPORATE WORLD
(House - February 06, 1995)
[Page: H1218]
(Mr. TRAFICANT asked and was given permission to address the House
for 1 minute, and to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. TRAFICANT. Mr. Speaker, the President's budget is already under
attack, and that is par for the course. There are people who are still
blasting welfare queens, but keep in mind that AFDC helps American
children and food stamps help feed America's poor.
What bothers me is that no one talks about those welfare kings, with
that $51 billion in direct subsidies to corporations and $53 billion
in tax breaks for fat cats. And no one talks about welfare kings.
Check this out: $18 million for Sunkist to sell orange juice; $5
million for Gallo to sell wine; $1 million for M&M to sell candy; half
a million to Ronald McDonald to sell chicken; and half a million to
Campbell's Soups to sell V-8 juice. Beam me up, Mr. Speaker.
President Clinton's budget may not be perfect, but it has a heart and
it has a soul, and that may be just a good place to start our debate
from. Think about that.
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INTRODUCTION OF LEGISLATION TO REDIRECT FOREIGN AID TO AMERICANS
(House -February 09, 1995)
[Page: H1468]
(Mr. TRAFICANT asked and was given permission to address the House
for 1 minute and to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. TRAFICANT. Mr. Speaker, Congress borrows money from Japan and
Germany and then Congress pays interest on that borrowed money to
Japan and Germany. Then Congress takes that borrowed money and gives
it back to Japan and Germany to protect them.
Now we give money, our borrowed money to Germany to protect them from
an invasion from Russia. But then we give money to Russia so that
Russia does not have to invade Germany.
If any of this makes sense, beam me up. The only good thing about it,
evidently, is that the Russians could not overwhelm the Capitol
Police.
But the bottom line is we borrow money to help everybody all over the
world, but we cannot come up with money to help our own people. I have
a little bill, H.R. 782. It would take $5 billion of foreign aid and
transfer it to revenue sharing for cities and counties.
I think Members should take a look at that, Democrats at least.
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NAFTA, 1 YEAR LATER (House - February 07, 1995)
[Page: H1292]
(Mr. TRAFICANT asked and was given permission to address the House
for 1 minute and to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. TRAFICANT. Mr. Speaker, NAFTA, 1 year later. Thirty-six thousand
Americans have filed claims with the Labor Department. They lost their
jobs due to NAFTA. That is right, and the list goes on. Woolrich up in
Pennsylvania and Colorado, they laid off 450 workers, moved to Mexico,
hired workers at $1 an hour. You have Magnatech in Indiana and
Michigan. They moved to Mexico.
Tell me, Congress, how can American workers survive when American
companies can move to Mexico, hire people at $1 an hour, have no IRS
or EPA or OSHA to pay them a visit? Is it any wonder the American
worker is fed up with Congress? A Congress that will take care of
Russia, but forget about Rhode Island? A Congress that will take care
of Kuwait, but forget about Kentucky? A Congress that will worry about
Mexico and forget about Mississippi and Massachusetts?
Is it any wonder, Congress? Think about the American worker for a
change.
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EFFECTS OF INTEREST RATE INCREASES (House - February 01, 1995)
[Page: H976]
(Mr. TRAFICANT asked and was given permission to address the House
for 1 minute and to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. TRAFICANT. Mr. Speaker, in America the sun shines in from the PTA
to the Halls of Congress. The American people have a front row seat.
But when it comes to the Federal Reserve Board, the American people
cannot even buy a seat in the peanut gallery. Unbelievable; at this
very moment the Fed behind closed doors is deciding whether or not to
raise our interest rates. And the Fed says `Look, our business is too
important for the American people to understand and what the American
people don't know won't hurt them.'
Unbelievable.
Mr. Speaker, while Congress cannot go to the bathroom without a camera
team, the Federal Reserve Board conducts their business and Congress
waits for Alan Greenspan to come out of some closed door with either
thumbs up or thumbs down.
Mr. Speaker, I say it is very simple: Alan Greenspan is giving America
the finger and Congress does not even know why.
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LEGISLATION TO EXTEND MANDATORY COVERAGE OF THE INDEPENDENT
COUNSEL LAW TO JUSTICE DEPARTMENT ATTORNEYS
[Page: E62]
HON. JAMES A. TRAFICANT, JR.
OF OHIO
in the House of Representatives
Monday, January 9, 1995
Mr. TRAFICANT. Mr. Speaker, today I am reintroducing legislation to
add a new section to the act that would require the Attorney General
to call for the appointment of an independent counsel to investigate
allegations that Justice Department attorneys engaged in prosecutorial
misconduct, corruption, or fraud. I introduced identical legislation
in the last Congress.
The independent counsel provisions of the Ethics in Government Act of
1978 require the Attorney General to conduct a preliminary
investigation when presented with credible information alleging
criminal wrongdoing by high ranking executive branch officials. If the
Attorney General finds that further investigation is warranted or
makes no finding within 90 days, the act requires the Attorney General
to apply to a special division of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the
appointment of an independent counsel. The act also gives the Attorney
General of the United States broad discretionary authority to seek the
appointment of independent counsel with regard to individuals other
than high executive branch officials. However, the Attorney General is
not required to do so in such cases.
My bill would amend the act to treat allegations of misconduct,
corruption or fraud on the part of Justice Department attorneys in the
same manner as allegations made against high ranking Cabinet
officials. In effect, the amendment would require the Attorney General
to follow the procedures of the independent counsel law when presented
with specific and credible allegations of criminal wrongdoing on the
part of Justice Department attorneys. My goal is to ensure that, when
there is credible evidence of criminal wrongdoing in such cases, these
cases are aggressively and objectively investigated.
I am very concerned over the growing number of cases in which Justice
Department attorneys have been accused of misconduct, corruption or
fraud. In several cases I have personally investigated, innocent men
fell victim to overzealous or corrupt Federal prosecutors. The Justice
Department has a poor record of aggressively and objectively
investigating these cases. The only way to uncover all the facts and
guarantee that innocent lives are not destroyed, is to have a truly
independent counsel appointed to investigate. The American people
expect that the Justice Department--more than any other Federal
agency--conduct its business with the highest level of ethics and
integrity. Unfortunately, there are instances where this is not always
the case. It is imperative that the Independent Counsel Act be amended
to require that allegations of criminal misconduct on the part of
Justice Department attorneys be treated with the same seriousness as
allegations made against high ranking cabinet officials.
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following. It may or may not be true, I just don't know. However
I consider Skolnick to be an honest and careful investigator.]
[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put
out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up
the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]
Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts,
9800 South Oglesby.
Well, the Queen of England's bank has gone under. What does it
mean, huh?
Operating for over 230 years, Barings Brothers Securities
survived wars and depressions, and was supposedly "done in" by a
28-year-old derivatives trader in the yen market who has
conveniently disappeared. So was the royal British merchant bank
killed by the misguided "lone assassin" of world finance? *Oh*
*yeah*?!
Some write it off as merely another shot in the battle between
securities traders and merchant bankers on one side, and the
"banker bankers" on the other side. Under attack are laws in the
united States prohibiting bankers from being in the stock and
bond business. Others know it to be more profound.
In 1943, the Pope had an understanding with the western powers
during World War II. The Vatican agreed *not* to interfere with
financial matters of the West for 50 years. *They* agreed to
protect the Vatican during and after the war. The American CIA
later helped arrange and finance the mighty Vatican Bank, which
became interwoven with the traditional Sicilian and Italian Mafia
as well as the spook agencies worldwide.
Well, just before the 50 years expired, the western bankers
started their attack on Italy's largest, the Banca Nazionale de
Lavoro [BNL], owned in part by the Pope. They claimed that BNL
secretly handles some $5 billion through their U.S. branch in
Atlanta. Destination? Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi strongman,
enabling him to buy exotic weapons disguised as "U.S. agriculture
loans".
In 1990, BNL's Chicago branch became involved in a semi-secret,
super-duper federal court case in Chicago involving joint,
private business ventures of Saddam Hussein and his secret
partner, George Herbert Walker Bush, at the time, U.S. President.
The case revolved around billions and billions of dollars of oil
kickbacks from other Persian Gulf countries. We [CCCC] were the
*only* journalists at the federal appeals court hearing in 1991.
The three-judge panel was blackmailed into quietly putting the
case out of court. The Bush Justice Department knew about their
bribery in 8 other cases. Writing the corrupt decision was
Rockefeller agent Judge Richard A. Posner, later becoming chief
judge.
The Pope and the British monarchy have been fighting around for
over 500 years. So, two years ago, after the 50-year peace pact
had expired, the Pope arranged to zap the Queen's bank. Barings
managed the portfolio and reportedly controlled the assets of the
public pension funds in Vermont, New York, Florida, Minnesota,
and California. Billions of U.S. pension funds are frozen, or
endangered, with the collapse of Barings. The huge London City
bank, Abbey National, may also go down.
Barings' American conduit is Northern Trust Company of Chicago.
Barings owned 40 percent of Dillon Read, a primary dealer in U.S.
Treasury notes. More sinister: the British royal family, through
Barings Bank, has been involved in the Far East dope trade for
over 150 years! With the coming of "China White" [heroin],
however, the Queen and her dope-laundry bank have been somehow
"X'd out".
The Barings Bank crowd know the secret that Tsar Nicholas II of
Russia and his family actually were *not* murdered in 1918 at the
time of the Russian Revolution. In 1974, our chairman [CCCC] and
others with us interviewed, for two whole days, Alexei Romanov,
who has substantial proof that he, his sisters, and parents, the
Tsar and Tsarina of Russia, were not murdered as falsely stated
by history books. Involved is $400 million in Romanov family gold
in the Rockefeller banks -- when gold was $20 per ounce. If the
secret comes out, the Rockefellers would have to disgorge
billions of dollars.
In Chicago, see us on cable tv, channel 21, 9 pm [cst] most
Monday evenings.
Play it again: "The History of Bombings". (312) 731-1505.
New message Friday; we change it several times a week.
Donations appreciated. Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the
Courts, 9800 South Oglesby, Chicago, [Illinois] 60617. For the
latest on courts, banks, espionage agencies, political
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following. It may or may not be true, I just don't know. However
I consider Skolnick to be an honest and careful investigator.]
[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put
out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up
the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]
Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts,
9800 South Oglesby.
When a government instigates bombings and violence, it's called
"state-sponsored terrorism". The U.S. government has a long
history of doing such. A hundred years ago and more, Pinkerton
agents linked to the federal government arranged bombings and
shootings to blame onto coal miners and iron workers who wanted
to organize trade unions in opposition to the ultra-rich.
In the 1920s, the government arranged violence, to blame onto so-
called "reds". An example is the 1921 bombing on Wall Street. So
originated the "red squads" in most big city police departments.
The FBI had similar units.
In the 1960s and '70s, explosions and bloodshed were arranged,
*in* *the* *U.S.*, by FBI and CIA to seek to discredit the peace
movement opposing the Vietnam War. (The French word for such, by
the way, is *agent provocateur*.)
CIA and Military Intelligence, through their paid *provocateurs*,
staged a confrontation with the Chicago police. The 1968
Democratic Convention riots discredited Democratic candidates for
President and helped install Nixon and repression. The commotions
were paid for through CIA conduits: the Roger Baldwin Foundation,
successor to the American Civil Liberties Union, the J.M. Kaplan
Fund of New York, the New World Foundation, and others. (By the
way, First Lady Hillary Clinton was later a director and board
chairman of the New World Foundation. So President Clinton is
well-aware of what a *provocateur* is.)
Surrendering to government mandate, the mass media forbade any
mention of *provocateurs* on the air or in print. In 1972, our
chairman [CCCC] was arrested by a squad of 18 police in a Chicago
TV station when he dared grill "Chicago Seven" riot maker Rennie
Davis about the half a million dollars that Rennie got from CIA
fronts.
In the 1960s and '70s, Military Intelligence paid for shoot-ups
and murders by south side gangs in Chicago! Jeff Fort and
company. Millions of dollars came from CIA fronts in Cambridge,
Massachusetts, such as the Charles Merrill Trust. The purpose was
to study how to cow and subdue entire neighborhoods, and use it
as a computer model to control civilians in Vietnam. The computer
work was done at the massive Army Math Center in Madison,
Wisconsin. The place was bombed to the ground in 1970 when a
government *provocateur* turned on his masters. (By the way,
knowledgeable police officers in the Chicago Police Gang
Intelligence Unit were suspended or punished for complaining
about CIA funding of the gangs.)
So, it should come as no surprise that the FBI and the CIA are
running around trying to cover up U.S. government complicity in
the bombing at the World Trade Center in New York, a result of
the Bush and Clinton factions fighting. Note: blown up were U.S.
Secret Service vehicles and a limousine to be used by the
President in a scheduled event three days later. Were stock and
bond brokers linked to Clinton damaged in the bombing? *Huh*??
The damage was reportedly the result of one or more of the
following: the same CIA-developed and -controlled explosives used
by terrorists manipulated by CIA in bombing the U.S. Marine
barracks in Beirut, killing 250; *and*, a new device called
"EHT", breaking down molecular structures and can melt away steel
-- sort of a *sub*-nuclear bomb!
In Chicago, see us on cable tv, channel 21, 9 pm [cst] most
Monday evenings.
Play it again: "What the Dope Business is Really About". (312)
731-1505.
New message Wednesday; we change it several times a week.
Donations appreciated. Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the
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>From the *Congressional Record*, available via World Wide Web
and/or Mosaic at http://thomas.loc.gov
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`THE PROJECT' (House - February 28, 1995)
[Page: H2312]
The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Dickey). Under the Speaker's announced
policy of January 4, 1995, the gentleman from Kentucky [Mr. Whitfield]
is recognized during morning business for 5 minutes.
Mr. WHITFIELD. Mr. Speaker, I rise today with great concern about an
article which appeared in Sunday's Washington Post. Since I read
articles in most newspapers with great skepticism, I hope that facts
set out in this article are not true.
According to the article in the Washington Post, a prominent
Democratic Congressman at a recent Washington dinner party
enthusiastically discussed what he referred to as `The Project'--a
coordinated, calculated effort designed to politically destroy Speaker
Newt Gingrich.
A week later, another Member of the Democratic Party, in a keynote
address to a party convention in Boca Raton, disclosed that the House
Democratic leadership had embarked on a day-by-day plan to investigate
the House Speaker, harass the Speaker, and drive him from office.
According to the article, members of the Democratic leadership in the
House meet on a weekly basis for this purpose. Mr. Gephardt is
represented at the meetings and the White House is also kept informed.
The Democratic National Committee also publishes a weekly `Newt Gram'
trashing the Speaker.
Two senior liberal Democratic Members of Congress--not a part of `The
Project'; that is, Newt bashing--said `Our party attacks Gingrich
because we don't have anything else to say.'
If it is true, what a tragedy--the National Democratic Party and its
leaders deliberately working on `The Project' to destroy another
political leader.
Our great Nation faces many serious issues crying out for a solution.
It is almost incomprehensible that a handful of Democratic leaders
would be consumed with such a destructive compulsion for revenge.
It is not surprising that in so many issues we have debated on this
floor during the last month that a handful of Democrats have used
similar tactics to polarize America. Pitting the poor versus the
middle class--and the middle class versus wealthy members of our
society--in effect using scare tactics.
We are all Americans and we must develop solutions that will benefit
our entire society not just one part of our society. The American
people not only deserve but demand that Members of Congress devote
their time and energy trying to solve very serious national issues
instead of trying to destroy another political leader because they do
not agree with his political philosophy.
The election box is the proper place to decide philosophical
differences, not some sinister plan referred to as `The Project.'
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 2, 1995
I spoke by phone with Sherman Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee
to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC]. Here is my transcription of that
interview.
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[Phone rings]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Uh, Sherman Skolnick?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Hi. This is Brian Redman. I talked with you a few days ago?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, right.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. I got the Barings Bank thing went out on the Internet, O.K.
I'm also wondering if you have, maybe, 5 minutes, I could ask you
some questions?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I'd be glad.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. What I've done...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
By the way, the message was highly detailed. I hope it didn't
cause you any trouble to transcribe it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
No. As a matter of fact, I... I printed out the transcription and
it's in the mail, O.K.? So you should be gettin' it... mmm,
tomorrow or Saturday.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Thank you.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. Uh, I've been runnin' around a lot, you know, so, I...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Thank you for your efforts.
I have been talking to people all over [the] United States and
elsewhere, gathering information on this. I... You know, I know a
lot of people.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
What kind of questions do you have?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. All right, well, number one, O.K. Let me just kind of throw
something out at ya: I got this... You see, what I, the way I had
been recording your recorded messages before was I had a micro-
cassette recorder that I would place right up to the ear of the
phone to record the message. And I, my idea was, I went to Radio
Shack and they told me that there was this kind of a gizmo, O.K.?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, right. It costs about $21 and you plug it directly into the
modular phone line and then into your machine, and it records
directly from the line without any hum or problem.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. So that's what I did. In fact, I'm recordin' ya right now,
if that's O.K.?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, fine.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. So that's...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...checking out. Better check out, check a little bit if you're
using it for the first time.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You know what I did, I tested it on your recorded message, and it
seemed to work O.K., so... And I just figured, well, I'll do like
a 5 or 10 minute interview and if it turns out O.K. then I could
just transcribe the interview and put it out on the Internet.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, certainly.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. I just wanted to, you know, make sure you understood that,
you know, all that stuff.
O.K. A few questions that came up, all right, was with the
Barings Bank, uh -- it's a relatively small bank. You know, like
a billion dollar failure...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well that's not accurate.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The total estimated, or expected losses may well exceed over $10
billion. And to understand that, you have to consult with experts
on derivatives.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In unwinding a derivative trade that has gone bad, it depends on
the instruments that are involved. Here what was involved is the
price of yen and related matters. While they're unwinding these
transactions, the yen... um, not the yen (excuse me), the Nikei
Index may go down 2,000 points. And if that occurs, as some in
the securities industry expect (although they haven't been asked
about it or quoted in the financial press), if that occurs, that
the [Nikei] Index goes down 2,000 points, then the loss of the
derivative transactions that have gone sour will be very close to
*10* *billion* *dollars*. Not one billion, and not 900 million,
but $10 billion.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. 'Cause there...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
It depends on the unwinding of the trades. Because the
derivatives transactions in question here were highly complicated
and are tied in with the Nikei Index.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. Because there was some question. See, I get feedback, all
right? This thing goes out to a lot of readers and I get some
feedback from them. And it occurred to me that, now I had a
chance to, you know, explore some of these issues more in-depth
and kind of... 'Cause they had a lot of questions. I get a lot
of...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I've already talked off-the-record with highly-skilled people in
this field.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And they have explained it to me.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Understand something: um, how can I explain this quickly? As a
result of our efforts for over 30-some odd years in investigating
judicial corruption, over the years we've found out that such
corruption involves banks that are owned and operated by judges
and others. As a result, we became, we have become very adept at
financial research. And we have sources all over. And we have
talked to those sources, and they estimate that the loss, when
the Barings Bank transactions get unwound, would be close to $10
billion.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. Along the line of sources, I know that you can't reveal
these people, but I'm thinking more in terms of, uh you had
mentioned before that you read, for example, the *Wall Street
Journal*. Are there other sources out there, as for reading, that
you would recommend?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well I would find it interesting, in the future, what the
*Economist*, which now is trying to get a larger readership in
the United States, that's a...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
That's a London...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...that's a London publication [CN -- a magazine], what their
next issue on this question may deal with. They may take a purely
British point of view, or they may take a point of view
sympathetic to the Queen's interest in Barings. Although the
Queen, also, has a stock brokerage -- I believe they're called
COATS(?) -- that handles, traditionally, a lot of the business of
the British monarchy.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. So the *Wall Street Journal*, the *Economist*, there's...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Oh, you mean to get a clear idea of what's going on?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Just some of the stuff you read.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...none of these publications, in my opinion, are gonna tell the
unvarnished truth about what is involved. And I can give the
reasons for that.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Because they all have their own special interests behind 'em?
Or...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well... Let me just list a few of the problems. One of the
largest securities firms in the world, Nomura Securities, N-o-m-
u-r-a, reportedly is, and has been, in worse financial condition
than Barings. However, the Bank of Japan, and others, may bail
them out. But some brokerages are quietly "red-flagging" them,
which is a trade term for avoiding somebody. For example, when
some brokerages became aware that there was a problem in Mexico,
they "red-flagged" Mexico. That's the way they tell their troops,
"No transactions with them" -- you see the point?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Likewise, Goldman-Sachs has come within a hair, reportedly, of
going under in respect to the "Mexican problem" -- the
devaluation and the expected defaults by Mexican corporations.
So the financial press, to help the established interests, wish
to play down the Barings thing as much as they possibly can as a,
just another "minor matter". Which I don't believe it is.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. There's a newsletter called *Strategic Investment*, put out
by Lord Rees-Mogg...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right! I read it. I get copies. I don't subscribe, but friends of
mine send me copies from time to time.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Same... Yeah. Same with me.
I uh... In their latest issue, they're talkin' about this thing
about how Clinton's puttin' up what they call a "Berlin Wall" to
keep dollars from fleeing the country. Have you heard anything
about that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well what I know that's related to it is, the dollar is hitting,
more and more, new, post-war lows. And the reason for that is
that expert traders in the dollar are expecting the possibility
that the *Deutschmark* will be the new, reserve currency of the
world, rather than the U.S. dollar. And that is based on
information that Clinton and his wife are "going to the wall"
[i.e. will face some degree of justice] soon.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In other words, well, there's been leaks from the investigation
by the independent prosecutor which supports the idea that the
First Lady is, in the near future, most likely gonna be indicted.
And that will put a tremendous cloud over the Clinton White
House. And so, in advance of that, the dollar is being dumped --
let's put it that way.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. I'm just basically, for myself, I'm watchin' the *Wall
Street Journal* myself and just noticin' the dollar/yen thing,
how that's...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Notice the split in the *Wall Street Journal*: those that work on
the editorial page continue with their detailed items, which are
more *news* items than editorials, about Whitewater. The other
day they had a, um...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I saw it. Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...a front-page story that "pooh-poohed" Whitewater. The
editorials are closer to the truth than the front-page story --
which is a different faction within the *Wall Street Journal*. (I
know a lot about the back office politics of the *Wall Street
Journal*.)
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. Yeah, like I say, this, I'm gonna have to keep this
relatively brief. I mean, there's a *lot* of things...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well then cut out those parts that you feel are not relevant.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
No, it's *all* relevant, 'til now. I'm just sayin' that I have to
kind of move along. You know, I'm lookin' for, at this point,
maybe a 10, 15 minute interview. Because I plan on transcribin'
the whole thing.
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 2, 1995
I spoke by phone with Sherman Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee
to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC]. Here is my transcription of that
interview.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
All right, what subjects do you particularly want to get into?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
There's just a few questions that people had, O.K.? And you've
answered, so far, fine; I'm happy with the answers you've given
me so far. And I'd like to get into more detail. You know, my
idea is, maybe call you up once a week, ten, fifteen minutes, and
just kinda, you know, "flesh out" things, and...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
My opinion is that the Barings Bank collapse is not an isolated
event. It is part of an ongoing series of scandals which, of
which the Whitewater scandal and the scandal, the series of
scandals in Italy, and in France -- there's some overriding
connection between them. In other words, different factions are
coming out of joint and are fighting with each other, and this is
what happens. And the financial press is *not* making any sense
out of it; they're dealt with as if they're all isolated
situations -- which they may not be.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. With this (movin' to a different subject), with this thing
of the 41 grand jury witnesses in Chicago, that you're sayin'
that the Justice Department has got an assassination team that
has been killin' people...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh, yes. The ones that originally contended that were the highly
skilled lawyers, including the former Attorney General, Elliott
Richardson, that represented the Inslaw company. And in rebuttal
to former judge Nicholas J. Bua's report on the grand jury
investigation of whether Inslaw was defrauded by the Justice
Department, Inslaw's attorneys filed certain detailed
descriptions, offering witnesses, that there is within the
Justice Department [an] unmarked section where there is a group
there that conducts domestic and foreign assassinations, and that
*they* were responsible for killing a key witness, a free-lance
journalist, by the name of Danny Casolaro.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, O.K. What, what some of my readers were interested in is
possibly a list of the names of the victims. I mean, you don't
have to read, you know, it out over the phone. I was thinking
maybe I would contact you by mail, askin' for a list of the
victims if you have...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I think we have compiled a great number of names. In a federal
court case that we brought, in the Fall of '92, on this question,
we accused Bua and others who were supervising the Inslaw federal
grand jury of not paying attention to the fact that *their* team
of investigators were in fact terrorizing and murdering
witnesses.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K....
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And we accuse, in the court record, a FBI agent named Mike
"Chuckie" Peters of the same.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. A lot of this I've pretty much covered already through the,
posted out on the Internet.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
All right.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And one other thing that people have kind of asked me questions
about is this thing that Tsar Nicholas II and the Tsarina and
their family were not actually killed in 1918.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well there have been a couple of books on this subject. And I
myself, in '74, with a group of my associates, went to New York
to spend two whole days interviewing Alexei Romanov, who contends
(and I believe he's correct) that he is the surviving son of Tsar
Nicholas II, and that his family were *not* murdered, as history
books state, in a basement in Siberia...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right, so...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...but that they lived out their lives, protected by their
cousins, the British royal family, and that they were housed,
under another name, in Poland. And it's... well, you'd have to
know a lot about history, you'd have to know a lot about this
question, to understand the validity of what I'm saying.
Most of the royal families of Europe -- Russia, Germany, and
England -- are cousins. They're related...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...through Queen Victoria. And, so the uh... And, in 1970, in one
edition only, the *Chicago Tribune* wrote a story about this,
confirming from inside sources that the Tsar, his wife, and their
children were rescued and were not murdered in Ekaterenberg(?),
Siberia, as some had contended.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right, so in the...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I think that I have extra copies of that, and I will mail you
one.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. What's... One reader...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And the *Tribune* has never recanted that story or corrected it.
It's a correct story, from United Press International.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. One reader said that there's, there were actually movies of
Tsar Nicholas and his family being shot by the Bolsheviks, from
1918.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Not true.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Not true. O.K. And another reader...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
What happened is that the Rockefellers, that held $400 million in
gold of the *Romanov* -- not the Russian government, but of the
*Romanov* private fortune -- have a great interest to circulate
those false stories. Otherwise they might have to disgorge the
money.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And they were the ones that financed the movie, in the early
'70s, called "Nicholas and Alexandra". And at the close of the
movie, it shows... uh, you know: the Tsar and his family being
shot to death.
You mean there's an *actual* movie of it happening? It's not
true.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And you would...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
It's *not* true.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. You would say the same for supposed DNA evidence, that
that's not true?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Oh, you mean that recent stuff that came out of the post-Soviet
period there? I don't believe any of it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And *you* wouldn't believe any of it either, if you had spent two
entire days questioning and examining, you know, uh questioning
Alexei Romanov. I mean, he's got the Tsarist family face, which
cannot -- I mean, I brought artists along to look at that face!
You can't reproduce that face. You can't fake-up that face.
Further than that, since he was a hemophiliac, as a child he wore
braces. And we discussed some inside things about that, some of
the things about wearing braces (which, of course, I'm a
paraplegic myself) that he could not have known otherwise.
I mean, we tested him out on every possible aspect. And he didn't
flunk a single question, no.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right, and what about this Anastasia? I myself am not totally
positive on this. It seems to me that... I mean, I know there was
this controversy over this woman...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well... the, what happened is, at the time that the Rockefellers
sponsored the Nicholas and Alexandra movie, to promote, to
further promote the idea that the Tsar had been murdered, the
reason for it is, the German high court at that time (which is
about 1971) had the case of a woman who used the name "Marian
Anderson", but who claimed that she was the surviving daughter,
Anastasia Romanov...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...the daughter of the Tsar. And she did not succeed in court,
but that does not mean that she didn't necessarily have a valid
case.
And then in the '50s, about 1957, um... what's her name? The
famous actress... did a movie called "Anastasia".
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I know the... I've heard of the movie. And I can't recall
the actress either. [CN -- Ingrid Bergman(?)]
O.K. That's...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In other words, there's been various efforts to further circulate
and promote these false stories that the Tsar, the Tsarina, and
their children were murdered. It did *not* happen. Those that...
And the story that ran in one edition of the *Tribune* in 1970 is
a *correct* story. They have never taken it back. They have never
corrected it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. I just want to close with sayin' most of my readers are very
interested in your material. And I'm real happy that you're
givin' me a chance to kind of expand on, you know, these things
that you're saying.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The Tsarist thing requires a lot of details. I have only
summarized a *very* *small* number of details.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Uh, we're makin' progress, O.K., is... What I'm sayin', is
that, before, I would put out these 5-minute commentaries that
sometimes would raise further questions and, that I couldn't...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And the other thing that's in my 5-minute message, which there's
gotta be a lot more details discussed, that you can't do it in 5
minutes -- and that is the secret pact between...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...the Pope and the Western powers, which expired in '93. And
there's a lot to be said about that.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And I'm just sayin', see what I have to do is I've gotta
transcribe this. And this should keep me busy for a few days,
anyway, gettin' this stuff out.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
If this stuff isn't clear, call me and if I'm here I certainly
will try to... I tried to summarize this quickly, but you know,
we're "documentors", you know what I mean?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And I tend to immediately supply highly detailed answers that...
well, would take...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...It would lengthen the thing out.
Let's just say, I don't make idle statements. Let's put it that
way.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And the documents, I told ya that, you know, I had made
copies of some of your commentaries and transcribed 'em. I sent
those out in the mail to ya. Like I said, you should be gettin'
'em Friday or Saturday.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
What is happening? In other words, some of the others on Internet
are getting back to you with interesting questions, huh?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! Yeah. And actually, I've *routinely* gotten these
questions, and I've been in a position of not really *knowing*,
you know? Sometimes I have *some* knowledge, myself, that I
can...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Understand what our problem is: I operate without a secretary.
And my associates are scattered all over. So we don't have a
"secretarial staff" to speak of. And I have a listed phone number
and address, and were I to get a lot of mail to my address, I
don't think I could, you know, answer it. In other words, if
questions came to me, how would I answer all these letters? Do
you see what I mean?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, sure.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So if they come to you, I'll... You ask your questions and I'll
do my best to answer 'em.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And when I get done with this, transcribin' this interview
and sendin' it out, I'll send ya a copy. Just so you know that
I'm representing you *verbatim* and I'm not...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. And we welcome more questions about the Barings Bank. We
are in touch with the most knowledgeable people on various
continents about it. We've... We know a great deal about it. So
we will have further messages, and I'll be glad to share the
information with you.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. Thanks a lot for your time.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Thank you.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. 'Bye.
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[CN Editor -- I cannot vouch for the accuracy of *all* of the
following. It may or may not be true, I just don't know. However
I consider Skolnick to be an honest and careful investigator.]
[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put
out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up
the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]
Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts,
9800 South Oglesby.
This is the story of two law firms that may get wrecked by
scandals: the Rose Law Firm of Little Rock, and Hopkins & Sutter,
of Chicago.
A telephone company in Arkansas is called, "All-Tel"(sp?). They
have a subsidiary called "Systematics"(sp?) which is a
proprietary espionage operation of the National Security Agency
[NSA]. Developed was a highly refined version of the Inslaw
software called PROMIS. Originally designed to keep track of the
caseloads of federal prosecutors, it was adapted to be used by
spy agencies to track people worldwide, by satellite. The
software has a "trapdoor" built into it. So, the NSA arranged to
sell it or give it to supposedly friendly or other spy agencies:
France, Sweden, Israel, and others. The "trapdoor" was a sort of
"Trojan Horse", enabling U.S. espionage to spy on other spy
shops. Systematics adapted it to be used through low-orbit
satellites, to spy on the computers of central banks -- South
America, Europe, and elsewhere.
Hillary Rodham Clinton is implicated, along with her two law
partners at the Rose Law Firm: Vincent Foster, jr. and Webster
Hubbell, who represented and helped work out strategies for the
spy work on banks by Systematics. Which means, the NSA could
arrange to manipulate or wreck the central banks of other
countries, friendly or otherwise. Foster, as White House aide,
never lived to persuade Clinton as President to stop the central
bank spying. Was that why Foster was "suicided" -- that is,
murdered?
When he was third in command of the Justice Department, Webster
Hubbell wrote a report trying to whitewash the Inslaw mess.
Facing huge money questions back at the Rose [Law] Firm, he
resigned Justice. To head off federal criminal indictments,
Hubbell "copped a plea". Now his "songs" for the Independent
Prosecutor may blow away the Rose Law Firm and Hillary! And blow
open the central bank spy scandal.
Tied to the Little Rock law firm has been Hopkins & Sutter, at
one time the largest outside attorneys for the federal S&L
bailout agency, Resolution Trust Corporation [RTC]. Hopkins had
apparent corrupt arrangements with the Rose [Law] Firm, putting
them into covering up S&L messes *far* from Arkansas -- that is,
in the Chicago area.
One such ruckus involved Arkansas bond broker, Dan Lasater --
cocaine smuggling for CIA -- and an S&L in west suburban
Oakbrook owned by former Illinois Governor Dan Walker, Sr. One
angle sent Walker to jail.
A Hopkins partner, Jay Steinberg, has been bankruptcy trustee in
the Andreuccetti case, where $50 million disappeared. An RTC
contingency fund, it was secretly transferred to Little Rock to
try to cover up a $47 million S&L embezzlement implicating Bill
and Hillary Clinton. Part of the money ended up, transferred by
Fuji Bank, to a Swiss dope laundry account for Bill Clinton --
code name: "Chelsea Jefferson". ("Chelsea" is his daughter's
first name, and "Jefferson" is Bill's middle name.)
Steinberg has also been bankruptcy trustee in the William
Stecker(sp?) case: Grayville Corporation. Hundreds of millions of
dollars disappeared; Steinberg does not seem to know where!
Like Watergate, the Whitewater affair involves murder, espionage,
and cover-up. In Watergate, the press fakers left out the part
about the banks and CIA... *and* are inclined to omit it now.
*And*, the liars and whores of the press do not see any link
between horrendous economic disruptions worldwide. Sources put it
in a nutshell: Hillary is going to jail, and the U.S. dollar is
going to Hell.
Call up your favorite news fakers and tell them to stop kidding
us, huh?
In Chicago, see us on cable tv, channel 21, 9 pm [cst] most
Monday evenings.
Play it again: "What the Dope Business is All About". (312) 731-
1505.
New message Monday; we change it several times a week.
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THE ANDREUCCETTI AFFAIR
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[...continued...]
[CN -- Note that the following does not necessarily
represent my own views or the views of Conspiracy Nation.]
29F. That on the said February 16, 1995, in the said hallway
outside the Courtroom 1858 as aforesaid, Parshall said to
plaintiffs Skolnick and Andreuccetti the following, to-wit:
We (meaning the Justice Department) have the right to go to Judge
Schwartz to tell him about your serious accusations against him.
Meaning to be understood by Parshall and was so understood by
plaintiffs Skolnick and Andreuccetti, that the Justice Department
reserves to themselves, through their agents and operatives, the
right to meet in secret with Judge Schwartz, Magistrate Lefkow
who is about to have ratification hearings before the Senate
Judiciary Committee on her appointment to the Federal District
Court bench in Chicago; and secret meetings with other federal
judges; for the purpose of coercing them into damaging plaintiffs
Skolnick and Andreuccetti in their persons, properties, and
liberties, to deter these plaintiffs in the instant case, and to
deter these plaintiffs in statements they make on their Cable TV
Show, on their recorded message on the phone known as HOTLINE
NEWS, and on statements they make which may be conveyed to
Internet and other circulation of plaintiffs' statements about
the corrupt acts and doings that are the subject matter of the
instant case.
29G. That Parshall, on behalf of the defendants and the
defendants acting and speaking by and through Parshall, made the
aforesaid statements on the said February 16, 1995, in the said
court hallway, in furtherance of all the foregoing, including but
not limited to all the matters stated in paragraphs 29E(a)(1) to
(g) inclusive.
29H. That the defendants, by and through Parshall, meant to be
understood, and were so understood by plaintiffs Skolnick and
Andreuccetti, that the defendants and the Justice Department
reserve the right to themselves to obstruct the due course of the
instant case, such as to have plaintiffs' pending motions for
leave arbitrarily rejected; that the defendants and the Justice
Department reserve the right to themselves to meet in secret with
Magistrate Lefkow or any other federal judge in the premises of
the instant case to try to convince them that these plaintiffs
are "bad people" whose rights are not entitled to be respected.
That defendants have already communicated and/or met in secret
with Lefkow, Schwartz and others herein identified.
29I. That on the said February 16, 1995, the IRS and the Justice
Department defendants, and the Justice Department, by and through
Parshall, loudly, forcefully, and repeatedly stated, and in so
doing, repeatedly emphasized the same, to-wit:
We have the right to go to Judge Schwartz to inform him of your
serious accusations.
Meaning to be understood by said defendants, and the Justice
Department, by and through Parshall, and so understood by
plaintiffs Skolnick and Andreuccetti, that the defendants already
had a dialogue and understanding, in secret, with Judge Schwartz;
that by blackmail and coercion directed against Judge Schwartz,
they and the Judge were in the process of arranging to jail these
plaintiffs and otherwise damage these plaintiffs, under the sham
and pretense of federal judicial authority, in plaintiffs'
persons, properties, and liberties; and in the process of causing
to be done, allowing, permitting, and condoning to be done, and
acquiescing in, the matters stated hereinbefore mentioned,
paragraphs 29E(a)(1) through (9) inclusive, adopted here by
reference as if verbatim herein set forth;
29J. That in so doing, IRS and Justice Department defendants, and
the Justice Department, by and through Parshall, by said loud,
repeated, and forceful emphasis, meant it to be understood, and
was and is so understood by plaintiffs Skolnick and Andreuccetti,
meant the same to be sinister and repeated threats against said
plaintiffs with all the meanings attached to the same, as in
paragraphs 29E(a)(1) through (9) inclusive, adopted herein by
reference as if verbatim here set forth, and paragraphs 29F
through 29I inclusive.
29K. That on the said February 16, 1995, after the IRS and
Justice Department defendants, and the Justice Department, by and
through Parshall, loudly, repeatedly, and forcefully conveyed
said threats to plaintiffs Skolnick and Andreuccetti, outside
said Courtroom 1858, in the Dirksen Federal Building, 219 South
Dearborn Street, Chicago, IL 60604, the following occurred:
(a) From inside Courtroom 1858, a courtroom deputy came to the
door and said, to-wit:
We can hear what you are saying; move away from the door.
Meaning to be understood by the IRS and Justice Department
defendants, and the Justice Department, by and through Parshall,
and was so understood by plaintiffs Skolnick and Andreuccetti,
that U.S. Magistrate Judge Joan H. Lefkow overheard the said
sinister, forceful, loud, and emphatic threats against these
plaintiffs; and that said Magistrate was and is allowing,
permitting, and condoning the same, and acquiescing in the same,
with all of the aforementioned meanings attached to the same, as
hereinbefore stated: Because the IRS and Justice Department
defendants and the Justice Department, had and have the clout,
power, and authority to interfere with and obstruct Lefkow's
then-pending ratification to the position of U.S. District Judge
in Chicago by the Senate Judiciary Committee and the U.S. Senate.
29L. That in all of the said acts and doings, by the IRS and
Justice Department defendants, and the Justice Department, by and
through Parshall, that it was meant to be understood and was and
is so understood by plaintiffs Skolnick and Andreuccetti,
defendants are actively obstructing, deterring, and intimidating
these plaintiffs, and defendants have damaged these plaintiffs by
putting them in fear for their lives:
(a) Because plaintiff Andreuccetti, an Italian-American, has
refused and failed to co-operate with the traditional Italian and
Sicilian mafia linked to the IRS and Justice Department
defendants and their joint corruption, as set forth in Count One
of the Second Amended Verified Complaint, paragraphs 2 through 22
inclusive, adopted herein by reference as if verbatim here set
forth; such as, top IRS officials having stolen millions of
dollars of property of Andreuccetti for their personal benefit
and use; such as, said defendants being secret partners in mafia
vending machine companies in Chicago Heights, Illinois; such as,
said defendants condoning, permitting, and acquiescing in
fraudulent tax returns filed by a corrupt Bankruptcy Trustee in
the name of Joseph Andreuccetti; such as, said defendants, and
their confederates, covering up for corrupt financial entities
such as Household International, First National Bank of Cicero,
First Midwest Bank, Pinnacle Banc Group as the alter ego of Bank
of Credit and Commerce International, Vatican Bank chief Paul
Marcinkus and his godson/nephew falsely purporting to be
Andreuccetti's business partner and engaging in government-
protected and condoned embezzlements; such as, defendants and
their FBI confederates murdering key witnesses to these acts and
doings, including but not limited to Bankruptcy Auctioneer
Wallace Lieberman; that it is a matter of undisputed court record
that the Rodham family crony, John E. Gierum, has confessed to
these plaintiffs that the Clinton White House is trying to frame
him about the 50 million [dollar] transfer.
(b) Because plaintiff Skolnick, perceived by the IRS and Justice
Department defendants, and the Justice Department, by and through
Parshall, as being in a physically vulnerable and helpless
security position to protect himself; Skolnick being a paraplegic
invalid, living alone at home, and he travels in a wheelchair,
and drags himself about only a few steps on braces and crutches;
and thus vulnerable and subject to defendants aforesaid sinister
and repeated threats;
(c) Because plaintiff Skolnick, a member of a minority, namely of
the Jewish race and religion, has in the view of the defendants,
stepped out of place, and thus by said sinister and forceful
threats, as aforesaid, will be "taught a lesson" by the IRS and
Justice Department defendants, and the Justice Department, by and
through Parshall; to intimidate plaintiff Skolnick for his having
attempted through his recorded phone commentaries and his Cable
TV Show "Broadsides", and through Internet, to bring the
corruption of the IRS and Justice Department defendants, and the
Justice Department, to public attention. By putting these
plaintiffs in fear for their lives, defendants have obstructed
justice in this case.
29M. That the defendants, by and through Parshall, meant it to be
understood and it was so understood by plaintiffs Skolnick and
Andreuccetti, that in furtherance of all of the foregoing, that
the IRS and Justice Department defendants can, with impunity,
cause, condone, permit, and acquiesce in the following happening
to these plaintiffs:
(a) that one or more federal judges in Chicago can be coerced,
activated, and persuaded by the Justice Department and the IRS
and Justice Department defendants, by and through Parshall, that
plaintiffs Skolnick and Andreuccetti could and should be
arbitrarily jailed and/or in other ways punished, irrespective of
said plaintiffs' federal constitutionally guaranteed rights,
privileges, and immunities, and without regard to the law and the
facts; that said plaintiffs' rights, because they are labeled by
defendants as "bad people", are not to be respected, similar to
the way the high court ruled black people are to be dealt with,
in the infamous Dred Scott decision of 1856.
(b) that bodily harm can be inflicted on plaintiffs Skolnick and
Andreuccetti, with impunity, such as the upwards of thirty
persons apparently murdered in the Whitewater Affair to which the
instant case is linked; and that the defendants and the Justice
Department are in a position to see to it that such murders are
covered up as "accidents" or "suicides". By all these acts and
doings, defendants have damaged these plaintiffs by putting them
in fear for their lives.
(signed) Joseph Andreuccetti, plaintiff, pro se
(signed) Sherman H. Skolnick, plaintiff, pro se
Plaintiff Sherman H. Skolnick adds the following to Count Five,
following paragraph 15:
15B. Plaintiff Skolnick re-alleges paragraphs 29D through 29M(b)
inclusive, as though the same were verbatim herein set forth, of
Count Three.
(signed) Sherman H. Skolnick, plaintiff, pro se
[CN -- Document accompanied by signed Verifications by Plaintiffs
under the provisions of 28 U.S.C.A. Sec. 1746, and signed by
Andreuccetti and Skolnick.]
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[CN Editor -- I cannot vouch for the accuracy of *all* of the
following. It may or may not be true, I just don't know. However
I consider Skolnick to be an honest and careful investigator.]
[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put
out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up
the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]
Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts,
9800 South Oglesby.
One of the great secrets of the highly corrupt mass media is the
buying and selling of jobs, particularly in radio and TV. The way
it works in the Chicago market is typical of the nation. There is
a group of six celebrity lawyers here who work the racket. A
would-be job holder has to agree to pay fifteen percent of the
first year's salary of a three-year contract. Payment has to be
made in front, in cash. Five percent goes to the union business
agent, five percent to the celebrity lawyer, and five percent to
the news director or radio and TV station manager.
One such job holder was somehow dismissed before the end of the
first year. He talked off-the-record with a media critic and
legal researcher. He told them that he cannot be fired! Because,
after all -- he bought the job! And it belongs to him! He wanted
an opinion as to whether he can sue for damages. He was upset
when informed of the pertinent principle of law: you can't sue to
get something that is against public policy. And buying and
selling jobs is opposed by public policy. The same judge-made law
applies to bank robbers: they cannot sue for police brutality
that may result if they are caught on the way from a bank stick-
up.
One such lawyer who reportedly knew a lot about all this was Saul
Foos, one of the nation's top agents for broadcasting stars. He
had a couple of interesting apparent sidelines. For instance, he
was a director of a bank in the north suburb of Deerfield, same
place Admiral Stansfield Turner is from. The Admiral was director
of Central Intelligence in the Carter administration. Did Foos do
a little money laundering through his bank? Some think so.
And Foos was charged with the federal crime of defrauding more
than 100 investors of millions of dollars. Some were his
broadcasting clients, promised the guarantee of no losses and up
to forty percent returns in some of the scams, including for non-
existent building deals, commodity trading, and such. Foos has
also been pushed into bankruptcy court. Naturally, the bankruptcy
trustee (for him) is William A. Brandt, jr., previously in charge
of CIA proprietary companies worldwide. According to documents
released to us under Freedom of Information, Brandt ran CIA's
covert operations, terminating the front companies by phony
bankruptcies when necessary.
Another lawyer in the position of understanding the buying and
selling of jobs is Joel Weisman, also of Deerfield. He's also a
celebrity lawyer, and, for many years, runs a local TV panel show
whitewashing media lies. Through his law partners, Weisman has
been a crony of crooked judges. Cynics claim Joel reportedly
knows how to buy a broadcast job or "fix" a court case.
The celebrity lawyers also quietly settle sex cases. Former
office workers of CBS's channel 2 here helped us expose an
embezzlement racket. They are sorry they settled -- too cheap --
charges they made against their bosses at WBBM-TV, who apparently
could not keep their hands to themselves! Working in bookkeeping,
they document how, over a period of 20 years, channel 2 embezzled
some $40 million belonging to the network. (We first exposed the
embezzlement in 1983. The corrupt honchos at IRS, of course, are
silent.)
Talking about jobs, up to about 1988 CBS News was the recipient
of huge subsidies, from CIA, to finance money-losing foreign news
bureaus in spy-world spots. CBS lost the covert funds and had to
close overseas offices and lay off a lot of journalist-spies. The
subsidy thereafter went to ABC News.
In Chicago, see us on cable tv, channel 21, 9 pm [cst] most
Monday evenings.
Play it again: "The Corrupt New York Federal Reserve". (312) 731-
1505.
New message Wednesday; we change it several times a week.
Donations appreciated. Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the
Courts, 9800 South Oglesby, Chicago, [Illinois] 60617. For the
latest on courts, banks, espionage agencies, political
assassinations, and the news media. On 24 hours a day.
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 6, 1995
On March 6, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone.
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
-- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I looked in the Tsar file...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...and I sent you a copy of a very rare article from the Chicago
Tribune that ran in *one* edition, in '70.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I put it in the mail Saturday; you should get it.
It says that documents were released, apparently after 50 years
(this is 1970, in the article)...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...that the Tsar and the Tsarina, and their family, actually were
not murdered but were rescued by the British royalty, their
cousins.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And my guess is that the copyright would've expired on that,
so I could just, say, type it out and probably put it on the
Internet.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I wouldn't worry about the copyright. I wrote a letter to the
editors a year ago about that article, and they've never
acknowledged at the *[Chicago] Tribune*, or responded, or ran it,
or anything.
They....... Two things: they released fraudulent details, I
believe them to be fraudulent, that some bones, otherwise not
identifiable, in the bottom of a mine shaft in Siberia...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...that they did DNA tests on it and they said that those were
the Tsar, the Tsarina, and the children.
False. It's false.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Secondly, the guy, Richards -- some guy gave you an e-mail back
that there was a book showing that Alexei Romanov [gives
spelling]... But the book by a guy named Richards, O.K.? Alexei
told me about this *21* *years* *ago*! Richards is the pen name
of a former gestapo official.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Would you expect a former gestapo official to tell you the
truth!?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
No.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
What has been published, over the last 30 years and so on, in
various books...
Alexei used a Polish name: Michael Golenieski. Michael Golenieski
was a top official of the Polish counter-intelligence. O.K.? And,
according to published accounts, when he defected -- during the
time that he arrived in this country in January of '61, a few
days before JFK was inaugurated as the President. He was
inaugurated January 20th, '61. O.K.?
He -- Golenieski -- arrived between the November '60 election,
and the January '61 inauguration. By special act of Congress he
was made a U.S. citizen and promised $100,000 per year. He has
been only getting $5,000 per year. *But*, the reason he was very
useful to American Intelligence: his information was so accurate
that over 400 Soviet spies were identified in the West and
arrested. So how much of a charlatan and a liar could he be!?
O.K. This guy Richards, which is a pen name for an apparent
gestapo official, left over from the Second War, is not to be
trusted! The books that *are* to be trusted are Antony Summers',
the -- I believe the name of his book is *The Rescue of the
Tsar*...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...and another book -- I don't know the author -- but it's called
*Imperial Agent*. And it tells how the Tsar, the Tsarina, and the
children were rescued through Vladivostok. And they went all the
way around, with a British cruiser, ended at Malta. And the Tsar
and his wife and the children took up residence in Poland. And
Alexei was given a false name -- Michael Golenieski. He was
trained in Marxism, and became a top Polish Intelligence official
at the time, right after the Second War, when Russia took over
the Warsaw government.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And so he knew all the Soviet spies, which he successfully
identified -- including, I think there was a spy who purportedly
was a Swede, name (if my memory serves) Winterstrom(sp?).
But there's things published. So anybody named Richards that says
that he's a charlatan, doesn't know.
Besides which, in '70, there was a raft of British documents
released which the *Tribune*, in a wire service story, referred
to -- that I sent you a copy of, O.K.?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And these documents show it is most likely that the Tsar and the
family were rescued.
And the name of William Wiseman, a U.S. diplomat (I don't have
the article in front of me; I sent it to you)... But William
Wiseman, he was given money to facilitate this by President
Woodrow Wilson. That's referred to in the article.
So anybody that says that Alexei is a charlatan and a fraud does
not know the pertinent details.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Well...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I spent two entire days questioning him. The man has got a
*profound* understanding of American history. For example, he
knows about the Alaska purchase in 1867, how it was done at
midnight. And it was called, "Seward's Folly".
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Yeah, O.K. It's fairly well-known it's called "Seward's
Folly", but as far as it bein' done at midnight, I had never
heard that.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Oh yeah. It was done through a strange bank in D.C. at midnight.
Alexei has got a profound understanding of history.
And the reason, the reason... And when you read this article,
that the *Tribune* has never recanted or renounced, you'll see
why. Because *if*, if the major media were to reveal this major
fraud of the 20th century, they'd have to re-do a lot of history
books. Why? The Romanov family -- not as the Tsar, but the
private gold fortune...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, it went to Rockefeller.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. To the Chase Bank, which later became the Chase Manhattan
Bank.
If you know anything about numbers and compound interest, that
$400 million, at $20 an ounce [in 1918]...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...and now it's $376 an ounce, for gold. And *compounded*
interest -- that money there is more than the whole bank! You see
what I mean? And the Rockefellers, right after these documents
came out, in '70 -- released after 50 years, by the British
government -- is when they made the fraudulent movie, "Nicholas
and Alexandra". And at the close of it they show the Tsar and his
family getting shot against a wall in a basement in
Ekatereinberg, Siberia.
Across the road from where the Tsar and his family were kept was
a house, occupied by British Intelligence. You understand? The
British royal family and the Tsar are cousins. They saved 'em!
Read this article when you get it in the mail. You'll see the
point.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, all right. You know, this is somethin' that I really
hadn't...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
[*Sotto voce*] If you put this on Internet, you may cause...
*This*... You can quote me: My opinion is that this is one of the
great historical frauds of the 20th century.
And when you read the article... Whoever did the article from UPI
even *quotes* an American retired diplomat, who says... He gives
some reasons, there, *why* the British and American government
want this hushed up. *And*, if you're a scholar of history, you
know that when the Russians made a peace treaty with the Germans,
early in 1917, called the Brest-Litovsk agreement?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
*Part* of it has been secret ever since! This article refers to
it. There is a section of that secret understanding, which...
It's an agreement between the oncoming Bolshevik government, and
the Germans and others, that forevermore it will be kept secret
that the Tsar and his family were, in fact, rescued. They were
not killed. But that, they will release details as if they were
murdered.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right. Along those lines, I've heard it said by some people
that this whole Bolshevik Revolution was really part of Wall
Street's plan or something.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
All right. Wall Street and the... I think the name of the book is
*Wall Street and the Rise of the Bolsheviks* by Anthony Sutton.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
*There*, he goes into the documented study how those at the tip
of Manhattan, on Wall Street, *financed* Lenin. And in fact, he
refers to old issues of the *New York Times* of 1918 where it was
*admitted* that millions and millions of dollars in gold went
from Wall Street to finance the Bolshevik government as... Well,
the British financed the Kerensky government, which forced out
the, forced the Tsar to abdicate. And until he died in 1959...
Kerensky came to the United States. And he was a British agent.
But he didn't pull the government together. And then he was
replaced by the Bolsheviks, who were financed by American big
business!
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U.S. AIDED RESCUE OF CZAR NICHOLAS, BRITISH HINT
[*Chicago Tribune*, Dec. 14, 1970. Note that this article only
ran in one/some editions -- it was pulled from subsequent
editions.]
NEW YORK, Dec. 13 (UPI) -- British government documents which
recently were placed in the public record office in London
indicate that President Woodrow Wilson backed a secret mission to
Russia which may have resulted in the rescue of Czar Nicholas and
his family in 1918.
The documents, copies of which have been received by researchers
in New York, state that the U.S. government placed $75,000 at the
disposal of Sir William Wiseman, a partner in the New York
banking house of Kuhn, Loeb & Co. It asked the British government
to make a like contribution to the "scheme" which is linked to
other documents still in secret British files.
-+- 3 Months After Abdication -+-
A document carrying notations indicating British cooperation had
the approval of Lord Hardinge of Penshurst, then permanent under-
secretary of state for foreign affairs, is dated June 20, 1917,
three months after Nicholas' abdication.
It was addressed to Sir Eric Drummond, then secretary to Lord
Balfour, secretary of state for foreign affairs. A June 25
document signed by Drummond says $75,000 was placed to Wiseman's
credit at the Morgan bank by the British government.
Recent research indicates that the Bolsheviks "faked" the
execution of the Romanov family in Ekaterinburg on July 29, 1918.
They allowed the Romanovs to go to a Russian port where they were
to be picked up by an allied ship. At least one, and perhaps
several American agents have been placed in the area of these
purported operations at the right time.
-+- Evidence in Treaty -+-
There is also mounting evidence that the unpublished complete
text of the treaty of Brest-Litovsk signed March 3, 1918,
contained a guarantee from the Lenin government that no harm
would come to the Romanovs, according to researchers. The short-
lived treaty was pressed on the Bolshevik government by the
Germans whose emperor, William II, was a cousin of Czar Nicholas.
A retired U.S. official, who has aided the investigations and
asked to remain anonymous, said continued secrecy on the part of
the British and American governments "frustrates or makes liars
out of all those who are ridiculed for stating the assassination
never took place." He said some who participated in the rescue
are still alive and "should be interviewed."
"It is a preposterous claim that full disclosure would strain the
relations among any of the involved governments," he said. "A
whole new breed has taken over in all the chancelleries.
Certainly there can be little fear anywhere of a Czarist
revival."
-+- Reconstruct Events -+-
According to a reconstruction of events based on new evidence,
the czar, czarina and their five children were spirited from
Ekaterinburg by a team of international agents in July, 1918. The
couple and two of their children were evacuated from Odessa on
the Black Sea under cover of an allied landing in December, 1919,
and taken to Malta on a U.S. naval vessel which had the British
cover name of H.M.S. Howan. The actual name is not yet known.
At Malta, where the Americans had a base under the command of
Rear Adm. William H. Bullard, the Romanovs waited while the
British government hesitated about giving them asylum and finally
decided against it. At least three Romanovs were taken to Trieste
on a British battleship, the H.M.S. Lord Nelson, and travelled to
Vienna and finally to Warsaw where they went underground.
At least one of the Romanovs, who had split up after
Ekaterinburg, made it to Poland by Dec. 1918, according to the
sources.
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 6, 1995
On March 6, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone.
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
-- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
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[...continued...]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK [continues]:
It's a documented thing; it's not subject to rumors; it's
actually so.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right, why did they do that? Why would they finance a
communist revolution?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well... The right wing has explained it again and again. I did an
interview with a known author there. I forget his name, but I did
a 5-minute interview which I ran a few months ago. Some... I'm
not an expert on philosophy, so, uh he described it as a Hegelian
principle.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Last time we talked...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
"Antithesis for the purposes of synthesis."
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. Yeah. All right. Yeah, that makes sense.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In other words, they own both sides.
I know, you're gonna have to scratch your head and review what
has happened with the Moscow government, since '89. In other
words, were the Soviets "the big, bad wolf" for 40 years in order
to help the American defense industry? Played up here...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...that "their submarines are off-shore" and "their bombers are
threatening us" and "blah blah" and "blah-blah". And then all of
a sudden, the Moscow government disintegrated.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
By the way: I don't know if you saw Internet this morning.
Somebody called me up, very early.
Reuters, or some...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! With the Missing in Action? The congressman found those
Vietnam veterans. Is that it?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No, no.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
It is not in the American press, *yet*. So far as I know. But
Reuters, or somebody, interviewed that guy Leeson.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Leeson, yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Barings Bank.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He says that *if* they proceed to prosecute him, or try to send
him back to Singapore (where, he says they will murder him in
Singapore)... But if they try to prosecute him, he will name
names, that the top-most level of the British government is in
this deal involved, that they okayed it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right. And that's on Reuters then.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I think it's Reuters. Somebody read it to me very early in the
morning. From Internet. It was posted on Internet.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Did they happen to say which newsgroup it was in?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh... I think they said Reuters, but I wouldn't bet on it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
But the point is, this guy Leeson (if we are to believe him) is
threatening to bring down the London government. The French
government is about to be toppled because of the spy scandal. The
Rome government has been decimated by all those big shots being
hauled away to the jail in Milan.
Now, as a result (thanks to you) of my items being on Internet, I
have gotten to know chief researchers in the financial field,
worldwide, who call me, and use their conference facilities to
put me in touch with other guys worldwide, and such. And the
consensus is, that the American press is not giving the reasons
for the collapse of the dollar. Which is ongoing this morning,
you know?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The reason that the Europeans give is that they have advance,
inside information, that in the next 90 days will be the downfall
of the Clinton White House, because of the expected indictment of
Hillary.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
How is the press... You know, the press has kind of been ignoring
this for so long. How is the press gonna suddenly do an about-
face on this? And...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well you gotta... Let me explain the position of people that I
know on the different exchanges, the Merck, and the Big Board,
and so on.
They says, "Skolnick. I help you with your information. Don't
tell me what's gonna be next month. Tell me what's gonna be
*tonight*! Call me at home, so that I can do something at the
opening of the markets tomorrow."
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[Laughs]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I says, "I'll tell ya what's gonna be in six..."
"I don't wanna hear it, Skolnick. You owe me a favor, Skolnick. I
helped you with this, this, and this. And a friend of mine in the
media gave you that story, so many years ago. Hey! You owe me
one."
I says, "Yeah, tell me." I says, "I'm not in the business of
bartering or brokering financial information, because that would
get me into financial interest. I have no financial interest in
this, and then and therefore I do my best to stay objective."
You see what I mean?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
But there are *some* that have been quietly interviewing most of
the most knowledgeable people -- not just me, but others all over
the world -- about the Whitewater thing and the possibility of
Hillary getting indicted, for the purpose of trying to figure out
where the market is and whether it will go beyond 4200 on the
Dow-Jones, and so on. I'm talking about chief researchers of
major brokerages that have -- I don't know what the word is --
befriended me, became acquainted with me... you know.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
They believe (some of 'em) that their European colleagues have
got inside information about Kenneth Starr, the independent
prosecutor, about to "drop the boom" or leak out stuff about
Hillary, which will roil up our central government and make
Clinton to be more of a wimp than he is, so that nobody that's a
diplomat will wanna shake hands with him on-camera anymore. You
know what I'm sayin'?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I notice he doesn't go abroad very much. I don't know if
you've...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well that's because nobody... [*sotto voce*] The chief currency
traders that I have talked to... Hey! I've been doin' this since
'58. I will never mention who they are. Doesn't matter *who*
calls me up and says, "Skolnick. You've gotta tell me who they
are." I will *not* to say who they are! Their names, and details
of where they're located, are confidential.
But they say that their colleagues in Europe are convinced that
there will be a downfall of the American central government in 90
days. In any case, by June. And so, they are dumping the dollar.
And as much as the federal reserve drops money down that rathole,
it only makes matters worse. It just gets worse, and worse, and
worse, and worse.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. Do you foresee a military coup of some sort?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, you're gonna find this, also, very odd. But... I talk to
everybody. And I have been... I and associates of mine have been
put in touch with certain retired Generals, who -- are not to be
quoted!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
But they talk, off-the-record, along the lines of the Admirals
and Generals that are named, by names, in the book *Silent Coup*.
He says there was 30 of 'em that overthrew Nixon. Their point, at
that time, was "It would be too messy." In other words, they,
like... They accused JFK of treason, at the Bay of Pigs. They
accused Nixon of treason with the Hanoi government. They didn't
want to stage an assassination in an open car; the public
wouldn't buy it a second time. So they set him up, with these
double-agents: James McCord and the rest of 'em.
Only the Brits wrote a paperback book about the double-agents. I
have it here. I don't remember the title. Two British writers, I
don't remember their names, wrote a paperback book about McCord
and the others being double-agents who... The guard there took
the tape off the door...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, that's...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And McCord put the tape back! So...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
...Yeah...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...there was somebody in the building! He put the tape back on
the door lock again. Did you see...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
McCord and them guys wanted to get caught!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, that's fairly well known.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And I think I told you. Did I send you the thing about the plane
crash?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Uh, no you didn't. You know, I've been workin' on the
Andreuccetti case.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
All right. But anyway, I got a thing about the plane crash.
Hunt's wife had $2 million that she blackmailed off of Nixon,
'cause Hunt and his wife had inside information that Nixon was
involved in the plot against JFK in Dallas.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I take that back. You may have sent me that thing on the plane
crash.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
It's an orange-colored thing. I sent it to ya.
[...to be continued...]
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 6, 1995
On March 6, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone.
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
-- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
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[...continued...]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. I... All your stuff...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...That's O.K. It's in very small type and you didn't get around
to read it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
No. In fact, I think I even put it on the Internet, now that you
mention it.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
O.K. They got $2 million -- falsely described as "10 thou" [i.e.
10 thousand] by the press, O.K.? But the deal is, they didn't
want to blow out Nixon's brains, so they set him up at the
Watergate. And Woodward, who's...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
He's CIA, right?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Naval Intelligence.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...was the front -- not a *journalist*, understand...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And he had *all* the inside information, as if a secret contact
met him in an underground parking garage -- all of it B.S. [i.e.,
"Bullsh**"], O.K.?
*Now*, the Europeans *apparently* have... Well it was European
journalists, together with some retired CIA people, that
uncovered Clinton's secret Swiss accounts, by way of the Fuji
Bank and the Grand Caymans -- that $50 million that we described
went to Little Rock, to the Caymans, to Switzerland, and is there
in the name of Chelsea Jefferson.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right, this all ties in with the Andreuccetti case. And
that's...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
...You sent me a lot of those...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And, and, and the thing is, one of Kenneth Starr's people told me
-- not to flatter me! -- that the thing that we have been working
on -- about the 50 million?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
-- is one of the most crucial points. They've already got the
date. They know the money arrived in Little Rock and went by way
of Fuji Bank, to the Caymans and off to Switzerland. And it got
mixed in with the Mena cocaine money, O.K.? Clinton's "cut" for
the deal. All right?
The thing is, *they* claim, that if that story ever gets into the
popular press it will topple the government. That is *their*
words: "It will topple the government."
So, they didn't tell me that to flatter me. 'Cause these are
really hard-nosed investigators. You understand what I'm saying?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And, uh...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You know, I had noticed last night that, just a brief spot on,
that there's four Supreme Court justices that are under
investigation for acceptin' perks, or somethin' like that? Have
you heard anything about that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No, no.
But understand what the problem is: there's a concerted attack on
the central government. I don't want to pick up on LaRouche's
theories, I'm not a supporter of his -- I stay neutral, regarding
him.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I... I'm neutral also. He has some good ideas, but...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He claims that it's a British conspiracy.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh... It's the same thing as Watergate. You know what I mean?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
They want Clinton out.
Hey, look how many months it took for Watergate.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, that dragged on.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...March of '73, to August of '74. And as you... As I have told
you, I got inside information from a top journalist, whose editor
killed a story about Spiro Agnew. And I was 6 months ahead of the
parade. And I must be a good 6 months -- oh, I'm at least a
*year* or more ahead of the parade on the Al Gore scandal.
And notice, the *Wall Street Journal* is going at the *third*-in-
command, the Speaker of the House, Gingrich.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I just got the *Journal* just now. I was just out gettin' it. So
I haven't read it yet.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well not today, but in the past they've run very negative stories
about Gingrich.
So in other words, they've got enough goods to terminate the 3
top people of our government: the President, the Vice-President,
the Speaker of the House. And what they want to do is cause a bad
situation where they can put in Jay Rockefeller. Remember, they
had a plan to put in Nelson...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I remember that, O.K.? And what? They were first gonna get
rid of Al Gore and then Jay Rockefeller was gonna come in and...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I'll tell ya somethin': in '75, I had the same recorded lines,
you know?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And every one of my lines... At the time, I had older equipment,
that required more phones. I had 30 lines coming in to "1100"
[i.e., 312-731-1100], O.K.? They were *all* *blocked*! Because I
was running accurate stories about 3 genuine plots against Gerald
Ford. Um... "Squeeky"...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Fromme.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...Fromme. Uh... that other woman. What the Hell was her name
there?
There were 3 genuine plots. And the secret [Secret]... I called
up a friend of mine, in the media, that I know. And he says,
"Skolnick. You're on the *top* of the Security Index. It's a
wonder that there's anything still going at your house, *any*
kind of a utility." I was gonna picket the phone company, in '75.
It was just no way... There was no way that... At the time I had
about 35 lines, total. I got newer equipment now, that drops the
lines quicker and therefore I don't need that many lines, see?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And there was no way that anybody could reach my message, during
that period when we ran exclusive stories about the plots against
Gerald Ford.
But what I'm *getting* to is, if there's something happened to
Gerald Ford, who was the un-elected Vice-President? Nelson
Rockefeller!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Do you see the point?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. And then... Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So in other words, there was a scheme to put in Nelson
Rockefeller as the un-elected... 'Cause a lot of people don't
like his name. And they don't like Jay Rockefeller, just because
of the name. Although he's very pleasant to... when you see him
on the television.
So there apparently is a plot to put in Jay Rockefeller as the
new President. So they're... They're cranking up attacks on all
three of 'em: Clinton, Gore, and Gingrich. They're gonna get rid
of all three of 'em.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. You know, I have some questions on the Andreuccetti case.
I'm slowly but surely gettin' those documents out there. I kind
of...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well what are the questions.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right. This is how I understand it so far: Andreuccetti owned
the Kingspoint Condominiums. And did he own some other...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, they are 5 buildings. I don't know how many dozen...
hundred... apartments, that are, over here, called
"condominiums".
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
They're giant buildings, O.K.? In a whole development there.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And when the gold was purportedly put under Building Four...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. So that this is...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The cement trucks that came there were pouring cement like the
cement was going all the way down to China.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
So there's... You mean there's also this thing with the gold, all
right? And that gold was what? The gold that was smuggled out of
Italy?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. And the one that was part of that unit, keeps, on purpose,
running into me: Illinois appellate court judge Anthony Scariano,
a former sergeant in the O.S.S. And he was part of the unit that
had the gold in a cave! In the last twenty-some odd years, since
1973 (that's 22 years), I have interviewed most of the members of
his unit. Scariano survived *five* military and civil
investigations in the 12 years following '44, when the gold
disappeared.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
So that's the reason...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And then he came up to me, two years ago, in the presence of two
of my friends -- one of 'em being Andreuccetti -- and says,
"Skolnick, I saw your T.V. show," (this was... We did a T.V. show
in... We *taped* it in October of '92). He says, "There's some
inaccuracies there."
I says, "Well, Tony, I don't have no case pending in your court.
So you could talk to me. What's inaccurate?"
So he turns to federal district judge Hubert Will, a senior,
semi-retired judge who was walking with him -- and ran *right*
into my wheelchair, on purpose or otherwise -- and he turns to
him and he says, "Well. Skolnick's show referred to two people in
my unit that murdered the Major and dumped him in a lake."
And then he went on to describe him. And from that I got to
understand that Tony and others felt it was justified to murder
the Major. Because the gold in the cave... The Major was gonna do
what some would consider treason. He was gonna turn over the
Italian gold to the *partisans*, the Italian... uh, the
*communistas*, the Italian Communist Party!
[...to be continued...]
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 6, 1995
On March 6, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone.
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
-- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
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[...continued...]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK [continues]:
So Tony turned to Judge Will. So now here's two CIA guys: Judge
Will, before taking the bench, had been head of counter-
intelligence in Europe, for CIA. O.K.?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So here's these two CIA guys walking through the lobby of the
courthouse, and they walk *right* into me, on purpose or
otherwise, and he starts talkin' to me about the show we did
about the gold under Andreuccetti's building, see?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So he made a, he made a -- what do you call it? He made an
apology for the thing. Like it was justified. That *his* *people*
were justified in murdering the Major and moving away the gold,
'cause the Major, the head of the unit in charge of this cave
full of gold, was gonna turn over the gold to the Italian
communist party.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. But they kept the gold for themselves though.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No, no, no...
The gold had been gathered up from the Vatican, from King
Emmanuel. The House of Savoy. Because at the close of the war,
King Emmanuel's property in Italy was forfeited. The details of
how the new parliament in Rome forfeited his property started to
be run in the book, a reference book called *Statesman: 1946*.
And part of it is re-printed in the '72 issue of *Statesman*. If
you get to a good reference library, you can see that. The House
of Savoy.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Who is an heir to the House of Savoy? Joseph Andreuccetti.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. The plot thickens. Let me just run through a few basic
questions though here...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
All right. Well let me just tell you one more detail.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The reason they've kept Joe [i.e., Joseph Andreuccetti] in court,
going on the eleventh year, is they wanted to tie up his
signature. Now if you understand law, you would see the point. A
person's signature has no financial validity when there is a
bankruptcy trustee in charge of you. If you get pushed into
bankruptcy, your signature is crap! You can't *do* anything with
it, financially. So that the trustee...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Jay Steinberg?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...Jay Steinberg,
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...Hopkins & Sutter, RTC, the $50 million transfer, and all of
it... The reason they keep Joe pending in court is, it continues
to invalidate his signature.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
O.K.? It's his signature that is so damn important.
Then, when you compare that with the Lynette Redmer interview
(which the government has threatened me over, which they got an
injunction against me and Joe over it), you can see what the
importance is.
And there is Scariano, part of that O.S.S. unit, O.K.? He turns
to this CIA intelligence chief, Judge Will, and he starts
referring to "Skolnick's cable TV show". In my presence! In the
presence of Joe and another associate.
Do you see the point?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Uh... It's a complex case, O.K.? And I'm workin' on it. And I'm
goin' through the court documents. And I got the, I jumped ahead
to the *last* documents and put them out, because it seemed to me
that...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Listen. I'm thinking about writing a book. I'm working on a more
detailed story for *Media Bypass*.
[CN -- *Media Bypass* is a magazine, as I recall, handled
independently by Tom Valentine, host of *Radio Free America*.
It has no direct connection to *Spotlight*, to my knowledge.
Skolnick's article, to appear in the next issue as I
understand, deals with the Whitewater scandal. Skolnick has
said he would send me a copy, but even if he remembers to
send me a copy of it, I hesitate to distribute it, due to a
recent "learning experience" I had in regard to my
distribution of what I believed to be a summary of another
author's material. So -- bottom line -- if you can find the
magazine, read Skolnick's article. I will do what I can about
trying to possibly summarize Skolnick's article, but I can't
guarantee I will be doing so soon, if at all.]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The point of the thing is, the largest bank in Italy, owned in
part by the Pope, has got an office here, O.K.? Banca Nazionale
de Lavoro.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Banca Nazionale de Lavoro.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Now if you knew banking, you would see my point. I'll make the
point, it'll be on the tape, and you can study it.
The bank has the most sound collateral in the world. They have
got it in with this gold, which is good collateral. Do you know
what I mean? It's like...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! Sure.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
They got, like, a warehouse receipt. It's not like a federal
reserve note, that's got nothin' behind it. Their -- whatever you
wanna call it -- their IOUs, that they issue as bank notes, from
this bank, with the branch in Chicago, is secretly backed up by
the gold that's under the ground in Building Four! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I told ya what happened before our show went on the air! One
member of the London gold pool admitted it to me later. He, at
great expense, he came with a giant back-hoe and started digging,
for no other good reason, behind Building Four.
I interviewed the president of the condo association. And she
took me over, behind Building Four, and she says, "Look where
they were digging over here. It didn't make any sense! There's
nothing going on. Why were they digging?"
They were digging for a whole week, uh -- starting the day after
we *taped* the show! Before the damn show even went on the air,
they were already diggin' a big hole there -- see?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
But what they found out [laughs]... I brought a hydraulic expert
to look at the place. There's an artificial lake near that
development, *and*, like the Pyramids of thousands of years ago,
there's a *trick*, see? If you try to get to the gold, you get
drowned. This artificial lake will get ya. It's hooked up by a
special device there. 'Cause right across the road from the
Kingspoint Condominiums is this artificial lake. And so, if you
try to get at the gold, you need to know the trick, see?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The lake will suddenly drown you, underneath there! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, there's some kind of a mine out in Nova Scotia or somethin'
that's kind of the same way; that they discovered some mine...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I brought some of the leading hydraulic experts in the world to
look at the thing, and they agree with me. I'm the first one that
looked at the lake and says, "Hey. I'm not a hydraulic expert.
What's with this lake!?" [laughs] So they noticed that there's
some kind of a trap door underneath one of the laundry rooms in
one of the buildings.
Anyways... Hey! If I write a book about it, it'll be astounding,
I'm telling you.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! You ought to!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
A friend of mine contacted Oliver Stone, who knows me, and
they're thinkin' about makin' a movie about it. It, it's very
interesting.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. With Christian Henning, jr., O.K.? He's the godson and
nephew of Archbishop Paul Marcinkus...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Did you hear that interview we did with the consul-general of
Italy?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! That went out. That went out, I sent that out. I'm workin'
on... Did you get the, I sent you some information.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, I got it. I didn't look it over. It just arrived in the
mail. Thank you, very much.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. I'll send ya some more.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The point is that, Marcinkus is the key. They want... [*sotto
voce*] He's here, supposedly with diplomatic protection. The
Vatican is not Italy. And Italy is not the Vatican. The Vatican
is a separate sovereignty...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...within Italy. Do you see what I'm sayin'?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
And so, Italy wants him?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. Italy wants him on a thing left over from Michele Sindona.
His son, Nino Sindona, has been an export-import agent in
Chicago. And... Well... The guy that traded on the markets for
Michele Sindona has been trying to "put the arm on" [i.e.,
pressure], on Andreuccetti. It's a long story, separate by
itself. Just take my word, at the moment, that we got a lot of
details about that.
Sindona is mentioned in detail in Luigi DiFonzo's book, Luigi
DiFonzo's book, *St. Peter's Banker*.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
You can read about Michele Sindona. He was the Pope's banker. And
he was murdered in an Italian jail, after being extradited from
the United States.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And so we have Christian Henning, jr., uh, and he
represented himself as being in business with Andreuccetti and
got a loan...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Falsely!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah... falsely, yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Illinois law requires a written partnership: there is no such
thing.
[...to be continued...]
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 6, 1995
On March 6, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone.
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
-- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
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[...continued...]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And but he got a loan, using Andreuccetti's property as
collateral?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. And *then*, two other guys, one a bankruptcy auctioneer,
bought the building in his own name -- not as an auctioneer, but
in his own name. And...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
That was Lieberman.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Wallace Lieberman and Robert Belavia, a known gangster.
Read the interview with Redmer.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! All right, well where is the interview with her? Do you
have that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I sent it to you! It's... You got it already.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You mean those court documents.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
You see there that her... She was part of the unit investigatin'
'em, and her higher-ups corruptly sped up the thing, to put him
away.
Lieberman was murdered... You see it there, right before...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Yeah. In Cicero. Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...in '91. Thereafter, all the land titles disappeared; you can't
find 'em on Chicago Title or where the trust was, with LaSalle
Bank.
You know what a land title is?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Uh, it just show who owns the property, right?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. It disappeared!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
O.K.? You can't... When you go down there and inquire, they says,
"Oh, uh... 'glitch'. We can't find it anymore."
Hey. Notice what Redmer says: she said that her higher-ups in the
Regional Director's Office of the IRS *personally* stole the
property.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Do ya see the point!?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Uh it's a complex case, O.K.? And I'm tryin' to, you know, sort
it all out. And like I said...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
All right... Read the two-page story that I wrote about it, that
I sent you.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
"The Mysterious 50 Million Dollars". Read it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I did, you know? And it's, you know I...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
If you don't understand it, there's even skilled lawyers that
need a little help! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. I'm tryin' to sort it all out and get the picture here.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
This is a sophisticated scam!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Oh it's, I mean, the thing is just huge, you know? And it doesn't
just...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well Banco Lavoro is using the gold as collateral. That's number
one.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Nobody in Congress will mention Banco Lavoro, Chicago. Nobody!
Uh, what else? The $50 million is related to it, and that got
wound in with Clinton.
Clinton is "up the wall" because -- uh the scandal involving
Clinton also involves Ollie North and Bush, who are Republicans!
So [laughs]... there's a complication.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And this Gierum confession: do you have a copy of that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh, part of it was put in the court record. I'll have to find
that page and send it to ya.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. 'Cuz I'd like to get that out on the Internet if I can. And
your...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Every, almost everything I'm tellin' ya has already been in the
court record. We confronted the government and their response is
to try to get an injunction to shut us up so that we don't
interview anybody anymore!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
You know. And then there was that threat in the hallway, and so
on. I mean, somethin' about all this is bothering them. Do you
see what I'm saying?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
That's why, you know, like I say, I jumped ahead and... 'Cuz I'm
slowly typin' in these documents and gettin' 'em out there...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well... I'm workin'... I mean, you know, if there was an honest,
free press in America, I would speed up my work on a possible
book. I don't think it can be published, unless I could raise the
money for private publication. Who the Hell is gonna, among the
small number of corporations that run the book business, are
gonna commission a book on *this* subject? Come on!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You know, you might try (I was thinkin') Feral House is a small
publisher, maybe would...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Where are they at?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Offhand I don't know. I could check on it. But you know, they've
done kind of work in this. And Thunder's [Mouth]...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
You can, you can see from the details I'm givin' ya that we've
got *tons* of information. Absolutely tons.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Yeah.
And the thing is that, it should be documented and brought out
more. It might... Part of *my* hope in all this is that, you
know, *somebody* in the press -- you know, this is goin' out on
the Internet -- somebody in the press is gonna say, "Huh, there
might be a story here." You know?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah but we're going on the fifth year of our show, we have an
estimated 500,000 viewers on Monday night, and nobody that's a
TV media critic of any of the major papers here ever will mention
us, a *single* *word*!!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And yet, if you were to talk to them -- the political editor of
the *Tribune* and all of 'em -- they *all* know about our show.
But they won't say a single word. We bother them. Why? Because,
you know, we interview, we investigate the federal reserve and
the *Tribune* company and stuff like that -- we *bug* them. So
we're invisible as far as they... They want us to be invisible
and never mentioned in their newspaper.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So why would you suspect that they would pick up on this and...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Well it was my *hope* -- O.K.? -- that that would become so...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Well, you know that it becomes *so* *obvious* you know? You've
got all this stuff...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Wait 'til you see what I sent you, that was in the *Tribune* and
never withdrawn! Why does the *Tribune* continue to run these
fraudulent stories, as if the bones were examined in a mine
shaft, of the Tsarist family, when after 50 years had passed,
they released documents from the British government that the Tsar
and his family were rescued!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
It was published in *their* paper in 1970. I sent you a copy.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. You've also... You mentioned the Lincoln assassination.
This maybe is a change of subject. It's just somethin' I know a
little bit about: is, you know, that there was a higher plot
involved in that...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well read the book, *The Lincoln Conspiracy*.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You know what? I actually, I did a synopsis of that book and I
sent it out on the Internet.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well some historians question them, but it's basically true. They
question 'em about a few things there.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I don't see, you know I haven't found *any* historical book that
tries to -- except *one* book, all right? There's one book that
tries to answer that.
I mean, there's other books by, like, Otto Eisenschiml or
whatever...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, I got all of them...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...preceded this book. And the one's that criticized *Lincoln
Conspiracy*...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
They didn't know what they're talkin' about! I, from what *I*
read. I mean, I only found one book...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
There's a woman that runs a thing in, wherever the Hell it is, in
Maryland -- Surratt's [Museum]...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
She criticizes *The Lincoln Conspiracy*. But they have a
financial interest. I mean, they sell tickets so you can go and
visit their museum, see? I ain't selling tickets to anything.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. I mean, it's just, you know I bring that up because you had
mentioned that in some of your commentaries. And it's just, it's
a subject I know a little bit about, havin' looked into it. And
there's just *so* much suspicious circumstances surrounding that
assassination.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well read John Wilkes Booth's letter to a Washington, DC
newspaper, that was kept secret in the family that owned the
newspaper for 113 years. Read it. It's in that book.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Which book?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
*The Lincoln Conspiracy*.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I don't remember that one! I...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Oh yeah, yeah! And the guys that surrounded Lincoln, many of 'em
were commodities speculators. And (I don't know how to put it to
you)... Read *Julius Caesar*, by Shakespeare. Who killed Julius
Caesar? *His* *closest* *friends*.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Why? They had some interest in opposition to their friend, so
they knocked him off. They all stabbed him to death. Read *Julius
Caesar*, by Shakespeare.
And likewise, Lincoln's friends had an interest to "croak" him.
For financial reasons. They had big investments in the commodity
markets in that day.
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 6, 1995
On March 6, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone.
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK [continues]:
*And*, they accused Lincoln of treason 'cuz he wanted to "bind up
the wounds"...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...and go easy on the South, which would've caused cotton
production and such to resume -- these guys were *short* in the
cotton market.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
That's my take on it too: that he was gonna let the South back in
the union, and they wanted to go down and plunder the South, is
what a powerful motive for it would be.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, if you were a legal researcher you would know that, a whole
raft of cases from the time of the Appomatox surrender [and]
thereafter, in the U.S. Supreme Court, that shows the great
opposition to accepting the Constitutional rights of rebels.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Their rights were forfeit, even after the war!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
There's a whole raft of cases that I could tell you about if you
were interested in that.
So I mean, the other angle we've been investigating for 20 years
is the fact that the Continental Bank, which was formed right
*before* the Civil War, together with the Board of Trade -- 1857
-- um... How could I put it to you? They handled the
assassination money. Let's put it to you that way.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. I've read the book, *The Lincoln Conspiracy*. There's also,
let's see...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Oh you gotta read it 10 times...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah [laughs].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
You gotta be, you gotta be a historic buff...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...to understand this. If you don't understand it the first 10
times, that's O.K.
You gotta know finance. You gotta know commodities. You gotta be
able to check with experts. You gotta... before you can
understand it! [laughs] I wish Eisenschiml was still around. He
was a... He used to get on the television 30 years ago.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
There's another book, called *Mask for Treason*...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, I got that too. Very good.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
It mentions that the, in that book there, it mentions that the
military officer who cut the military telegraph cables on the
bridge where John Wilkes Booth escaped -- there were several
bridges goin' out of DC. And on the bridge that the conspirators
selected for him to go on, they cut the telegraph cables so he
could escape? *That* *person* became the founding president of
Western Union telegraph company.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. The way I understand it is, the telegraph went out but it
was at a central location -- which is actually more ominous, you
know? It wasn't so much a thing of...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. And the guy named Lafayette C. Baker...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...who headed up what we now call the U.S. Secret Service, was
part of the plot. And likewise, the head of the U.S. Secret
Service in 1963, Rowley, was believed to be part of the plot
against JFK, 98 years later.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right, that's... I guess I'll just kind of let you go now,
O.K.? 'Cuz I...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, you're swamped with this. [laughs]
Uh, I'm planning a sizeable article for *Media Bypass* about the
Whitewater thing, and I'll send you... I'll keep you informed
about that.
Um, the thing that bugs 'em is this message we're running now.
They're, they go straight up the wall because we've got inside
information about the buying and selling of TV jobs that
absolutely... It's one of the great internal scandals of the
media. I mean, even you: You want to be a talking head on the
media?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I could tell ya... It doesn't matter. It will make your hair
blonde if it's not blonde now. And as long as you can *read*
what's on the teleprompter, you put up the price, and you become
a talking head.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You know, I... One thing I wanted to...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Oh you think I'm lying! I used to teach at a radio broadcast
school. I know a lot.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Fine. I mean, this is all, you know, stuff that I'm... I'll tell
ya: I think what you say has *merit*, O.K.? I mean, I'm not...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I have no reason to lie; why would I lie?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
No! I don't...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...this past 37 years. If I lie, I got a lot to lose. Not
financially, but the *name* I have built up over 37 years. I, I
don't do any of this or say any of this because some uh, ratings
are gonna go up or a sponsor's gonna like me better. The main
thing I have is a good name.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah I, you know, like I say -- I'm not the type of person that's
a "true believer", O.K.? That is just gonna just turn off my mind
and just accept anything somebody says...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No! I want you to ask questions. I don't want you to accept what
*I* say or what *anybody* says, just on the face of it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! That's, you know, like I say, I think what you say has got
a lot of merit, and I'm open-minded to lookin' into it further.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well just think of my background: our work has caused the largest
judicial bribery scandal in the history of the United States. So
*that* should be on the top of the list that I have no reason to
fake-up anything, you know?
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 15, 1995
On March 15, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone.
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
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CONSPIRACY NATION:
I've been readin' through some of this Tsar stuff, *The File on
the Tsar* by Anthony Summers, and, I gotta hand it to ya, it
really, to me it looks conclusive that there's been a cover-up of
some type.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
One of the biggest cover-ups of the 20th century.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I have a few questions here. There's um... O.K. My question is
regarding the educational system in this country. Because, even
today, you go to a high school and they're gonna be teachin' you
that "Oswald did it." And...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, that's because of the school textbook publishers, like
Scott-Foresman(sp?), which is in a northwest suburb of Chicago.
They're part of the establishment. They're tied in with the
banking interests, and uh, they speak for the establishment.
Would you want them to tell the truth about things? They're not
gonna tell the truth about what happened to the Tsar and his
family, what brought on Pearl Harbor, what the Dallas
assassination of JFK was about, or *any* of that. They've even
lied about what brought on the First World War! They've lied
about the sinking of the Lusitania and so on -- there's a book on
that by a fellow named uh, Simpson I think, that tells what the
Lusitania was really about. [It] was carrying munitions and so
on. And the British navy withdrew all protection and allowed the
Lusitania to be at the mercy of German submarines.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. But my question is more...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So in other words, the educational system, from top to bottom,
with their textbooks and everything there, lied. And the
teachers... Well some teachers depart from their textbooks, but
generally not. They're criticized if they depart from the
curriculum.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. But my view on this is that it would be more of a top-down
thing; that you've got, at the highest level you've got so-called
"experts" who *do* know a lot about this sort of thing, but that
they're more or less paid to lie about it. And because they're
the authorities, it goes top-down, and...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, that's true. But it goes through the financial connections
of the textbook publishers and, uh... For example, a person is
hard-put to find, in the United States, books... like *British*
school books on U.S. history telling *their* viewpoint of what
brought on the American Revolutionary War. I've been looking all
these years; you can't find it anywhere. The nearest to it was
some book that came out a few years ago, written about some of
those that fled the colonies to England, and *their* viewpoints.
In other words, I wanted a balanced account of things. And you
don't get it from the run-of-the-mill books -- whether textbooks
or whatever.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. There's a book called *Universities and the Capitalist
State* by Clyde Barrow [University of Wisconsin Press at Madison]
that, along these lines, it kind of traces the encroachment of
the government into the university system; where, say, in the
last century, universities were a lot more autonomous. But then
the government, through, say, the Carnegie...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, the best book on this subject is by James Ridgeway, called
*The Closed Corporation*. It came out of the '60s. It's as
accurate as if it was published yesterday. It tells about all
these universities and their tie-in to corporate interests. So
that supports what you're saying.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
So, in other words, you would say it's just kind of a scam,
basically. I mean, there may be honest researchers in the
educational establishment, but it's basically...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, some of the more prominent professors make twice, and three
times, and four times as much as outside consultants to major
corporations. During the Vietnam War, the University of Chicago
and other places had various professors that were consultants to
the Defense Department on how to make better bombs, how to bomb
Vietnam flat to the ground, and you know, stuff like that. Could
they, in their classes, teach something that caused people to
open their mind as to what was causing the Vietnam War? *I* don't
think so. Not while they're making hundreds of thousands of
dollars [in] consulting fees for the Defense Department.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah it's, this is just somethin' it kinda dawned on me -- O.K.?
-- that the educational establishment was part of the system of
repression, it seemed to me. But it took me awhile to see that,
that these people, a lot of 'em had a vested interest in seein'
things a certain way.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, *The Closed Corporation* has, from time to time, been
available in paperback. It's, it may have been re-printed. I
strongly suggest that you go to some used bookstore and find a
copy. Because the information that's there is still good
information. And it'd be wonderful to have that circulate on
Internet, for people to consider what the heck some of our
universities are into.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And you know, something I've also noticed is, I'm fortunate
that I live about 2 blocks from a library here. And they're
hooked up by computer to other libraries: so if *that* library
doesn't have the book, I can get it through inter-library loan.
And yet, there are books that just, they don't show up on the
computer. I'm thinkin' of...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
You want a short list of books like that?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Those that don't show up, that you have some trouble finding?
Gustavus Myers...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
*The Great American Fortunes*. You oughtta read that.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Almost every great American fortune is based on criminal
enterprises.
Then there's the book, by the same author, *The History of the
Supreme Court*. Which, in some ways the title is a little, sounds
limited. The book, *The History of the Supreme Court*, is
actually a history of the legal system of the United States. And
it shows that the Supreme Court has been run by liars and fakers
all the years, who had vested interests in what they were doing.
Including Chief Judge John Marshall, whose picture hangs with a
gold frame in most law schools. He was one of the biggest fakers
of all, and he made decisions favoring his own family regarding
Fairfax County and their connection to the British!
So I mean that's, those are two books right there.
A third book, that is *suppressed* altogether in the United
States is *Farewell, America* by James Hepburn.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
That book -- a bestseller in Europe, in 14 languages -- was not
allowed, over the years, to be sold when it came out, in
bookstores, in the United States.
So if someone says, "Oh, well, there's a free press in America."
-- *False*. There are hard-hitting books that are not allowed to
be circulated here. And that is one of 'em.
The book, *Farewell, America*, tells about the high-level plot,
involving the oil companies and others, to assassinate John F.
Kennedy. And the oil companies saw to it that the book was not
allowed to be brought into the United States. There were only two
people that circulated the books -- that were *not* bookstores!
You're talking to one of 'em. In the '70s, I used to carry
suitcases of those books, that we smuggled in from Canada. And I
used to give 'em away at college speeches that I gave, in return
for small donations. I was one of the only ones that was able to
get the books into the United States. In *fact*, the Post Office
so knew about it that all you had to do, in the '70s, was put on
an envelope "Farewell, America -- Chicago, Illinois" and that
envelope would arrive right in my mailbox. You didn't even have
to spell "Farewell" correct...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...and it would arrive, right here.
But it just is an example of the fact that, there is no free
press; the universities are not free and open markets of ideas;
and the textbook publishers are fakers; and teachers, to keep
their jobs and not to get into trouble, follow a curriculum that
is often riddled with textbooks that are frauds! I know that's a
broad, general statement...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
No. You know, in... Well *I'm* the one that brought it up...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In other words, I could help prove that -- that's a broad,
general statement -- but I could fill it in with nitty-gritty --
you know what I mean? -- with nuts and bolts, to prove that
that's so.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Because I had asked recently, regarding the Kennedy
assassination, just out of curiosity, if they're still, in the
high schools, they're still teaching that "Oswald did it." And my
information is that, yeah, indeed, that's what they're sayin'.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Twenty-five years ago I taught, during the Vietnam War, at a
radio broadcast school in Chicago, O.K.? And my course was
popular. It was called "Civic Investigation". And I taught, "How
You Uncover Information" -- showing who the war-mongerers are,
even those that live in Chicago that are in the bomb and bullet
business -- You know what I'm sayin'?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
-- that *profit* from the bloodshed in Vietnam.
After two semesters, my course was "X'd out". Even though it was
very popular with the students.
So I mean that's, that's just a small example of what uh, the
things are at. In other words, teachers that try to open the
minds of students are rare. We had a rare one, a rare professor,
on our TV program recently: Professor John Goldsmith...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I saw that! He was from the University of Chicago. I've got...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Wasn't that a wonderful program?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I tell ya, one of my readers -- O.K.? -- has been very nice and
has been making copies of your shows and sending 'em to me. And
your program is just astounding. It... I'm gonna try and get it
aired down here on the public access.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
O.K. Did you happen to know or see the program we did -- we were
the only ones in the United States, so far as I know, that put
portions of the suppressed documentary, on the television, called
"ZR Rifle".
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Haven't seen it, no.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
That one, it was made in Havana and showed on Cuban television --
was not allowed to be even *considered* in the United States! --
and told about how Chicago gangsters were part, were directly
among the shooters that shot at Kennedy in Dealey Plaza at the
auspices of the CIA.
[...to be continued...]
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 15, 1995
On March 15, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone.
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
-- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
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[...continued...]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK [continues]:
O.K.? And we were the only ones, so far as I know, that got that
["ZR Rifle"] on the air in the United States. We did. On our
program.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I, you know, maybe if you re-run it I'll get a chance to see it.
Like I say, I've been fortunate enough to have seen... I like the
one on the Helen Brach story, where you had that lady on [who]
was talkin' about the...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, right. They talk about the horse rackets as if it's minor
matters, when it's a very broad, what we call in our thing,
"horse mafia".
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
We try to tell the truth. But you know somethin'? That doesn't
make us out to be popular with the popular press. Here in
Chicago, it's almost forbidden for anybody on other television
stations, or in the print media, to utter a single word about the
existence of our program, even though we have over a half a
million viewers on Monday night. We're invisible as far as the
press is concerned. They're forbidden to say a single word, even
*for* us or *against* us. How do ya like that?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Well, you know, having read *The Media Monopoly* by Ben Bagdikian
and *Manufacturing Consent* by Noam Chomsky, I'm not that
surprised. They seem to do this routinely.
Regarding, say, the other panelists on the show: all of 'em seem
very knowledgeable people -- Marc Sato, Jim Reis...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well Jim Reis is an unusual stockbroker who risks his career, on
our program as well as his own program called "Wall Street Lies".
He tells about the frauds of Wall Street. And, he's on twice a
week, on his program.
And our moderator, Cliff Kelley, was formerly a Chicago alderman,
who was framed and sent to jail in order to undermine the power
of the first black Mayor in Chicago, Harold Washington -- who,
because of our investigations, we believe that Harold Washington
was murdered in 1987.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
That was gonna be one of my questions. Because in your
commentaries you've said that Harold Washington was murdered with
a poisoned cup of coffee.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Oh yeah! Well I interviewed everybody that pertains to the thing.
I've got, even the doctors from the hospital on tape. But I
promised them that during my lifetime -- or *their* lifetime --
that the tape will not be released, even if those in the media
call me a liar.
But the doctors... Northwestern Memorial Hospital is a half a
block away from channel 2 television [CBS affiliate] in Chicago,
WBBM-TV. And the doctors that worked on -- well, they worked on
Harold's dead body, just to appease the public. He was already
dead when he hit the floor in his office, O.K.?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
They [the doctors] walked over to the television station and
talked to the higher-ups, that the Mayor's been poisoned! What
shall we do? And they invoked "national security". Having worked
at a radio broadcast school, I know certain things about
"national security" and broadcasters that are generally not
discussed. They have an unwritten rule that *if* a well-known
black dies, under odd circumstances, they are to, that evening,
quietly go on the air and say, "Such and such person died of a
heart attack."
So if Dr. King was "blown away" on a balcony *today*, tonight,
they would quietly say, "He died of a heart attack in the
hospital." Why? Because of the riots in 103 cities in April of
1968 when King was assassinated. That is when the broadcast
policy was quietly invoked.
And so they invoked that policy against going on the air. I got
the story, about Harold [Washington] being poisoned, on the air,
on a, on *two*, black radio stations in Chicago. And the news
director of one called me up after three days running the story
and says, "We can't go any further, Mr. Skolnick."
I said, "Have you shown that the story is false?"
She says, "No. No."
But the major broadcasters, like WGN radio, which is tied in with
the *Tribune* company, have got a very great influence here and
they called the stations and said, "If you run Skolnick's story,
*you* are gonna lose your license." Why? Because they've got the
power with the FCC, that's why.
And so, that is what happened.
A network newswoman that I know *told* me that she verified that
Harold *was*, Harold Washington *was* poisoned. And she verified
it from her own medical sources and took it up with her editor in
Washington. And the story never ran.
I'm the only one that went with the story. It ran with the major
Japanese newswire service, JIJI Press Agency. It ran in the
second largest newspaper in Australia, and elsewhere. *But*, in
Chicago and elsewhere, if they mention me at all, they call me a
liar -- and I don't care! I mean, I know I told the truth. I
interviewed everybody; I did everything what a good journalist.
In April of '91 we did a show on our television about it, and a
week later, the FBI planted a story at the *Sun-Times* that there
had been plots to assassinate Harold Washington, but that the FBI
was too busy to go into it and turned it over to the Secret
Service, that didn't pursue it.
So they knew that there were plots against Harold Washington.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Who would ya think would be behind that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, three or four forces, generally:
The New York bankers, the Rockefellers and others. Harold did an
odd thing for a Mayor: he said, as a black man, that he was gonna
give an equal chance to yellow-skinned bankers that wanted the
city's business. Like Mitsubishi Bank. And the Rockefeller
bankers, the Anglo-Saxon types, took great offense to that.
Further, he was going to take over the steam-generating plants of
Commonwealth Edison, one of the largest nuclear energy electric
companies in the United States. And he says their steam-
generating plant within the city limits had been paid for, or
fully amortized, and that he could bring electricity to Chicago
as a municipal electric company -- instead of Edison, because
their franchise was about to expire in 1989, two years after
Harold was elected.
But he was gonna bring electricity to Chicago for as little as
$10 a month for a household. It so happens that Commonwealth
Edison -- among the largest stockholders (according to government
documents) is the Pope, O.K.? An "absentee owner". He doesn't
care *how* high the electric rates are in Chicago.
So those are two, uh...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Motives.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...two motives for "knocking him off". And they used the
traditional dark ages, medieval method of the Catholic hierarchy:
the poisoned cup of coffee. The Borgias and the Medicis, the
poisoned cup of... You know what I mean.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
That's different than blowing out his brains in an open car like
they did with Kennedy. You see what I'm saying? And I know a lot
about it; I can go on for hours relating all the details that we
compiled from 1987 until now, *proving* without a shadow of a
doubt that our first black Mayor was assassinated.
Who was involved? One of those that came often to Chicago was
Major General Secord, whose name came up in the Iran-Contra
thing.
The press did not mention that when his body hit the floor there
was a national alert in 14 states, centered on Chicago, with the
national guard. Not a word in the press. When his body hit the
floor, a military helicopter appeared over the City Hall. And
things of that sort. None of that ever got into the press.
His body was removed from the city that night. I interviewed the
morticians that were involved; they wanted his body *out* of the
legal jurisdiction here, until the funeral. *That*, and thousands
of other details, would, would convince...
Also! I interviewed, on tape, the top honchos of ABC's local
station, WLS-TV, channel 7 in Chicago. And they admitted, and I
have... that they admitted that four doctors from the hospital
called them and said that Skolnick's story is *correct*! O.K.?
And, but they never put it on the air. I played that tape on
*two* of the black radio stations in Chicago, O.K.? So at least
the black community has heard that tape. It's one of the top
honchos of channel 7 admitting that my story is correct, O.K.?
I've done everything as a good journalist. I, the popular press,
they've gone along with all these things about "Oswald did it
alone," "Harold Washington died of a heart attack" -- all those
frauds upon the people. It's uh... And then they carry it over
into their textbooks, also. You know.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. There was this guy by the name of Nelson Algren, O.K.? He
wrote, he was a Chicago...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
*The Man With The Golden Arm*. [CN -- also, *A Walk On The Wild
Side*]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, yeah.
You kind of bring me to mind of that. Because, the way I
understand it, Nelson Algren's books were very popular
internationally. And yet, from what I've heard, you would go into
a Chicago library and you couldn't find it.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
That's true.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. So I mean, it...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He was a *persona non grata* in Chicago.
And until I got on the television show in '91, the only way I
could come before the public was my 5-minute recorded message,
which we have been running since 1971.
I started the recorded message because they blanked me out. In
the late '60s and early '70s, I was a news media hero as long as
I was involved *only* in attacking Democrat judges and voting
cases, O.K.? The minute I went after other, you know, on a non-
partisan basis, both corrupt Democrat *and* Republican judges in
the court, I got into trouble. Then I started, with my
associates, an investigation of the CIA and FBI "assets" in the
media -- former CIA people sitting as anchor people in Chicago --
I named them. I got "on the outs" with the media and they blanked
me out. By 1971, it's as if I disappeared from the world.
[...to be continued...]
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Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 4 Num. 34
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 15, 1995
On March 15, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone.
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
-- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
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[...continued...]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK [continues]:
And I used to be on... I had my own radio show. I was on
practically every week for 40 seconds or so on the evening news
on something that I was involved in. It was common to hold press
conferences on the lawn in front of my house at the drop of a
hat. I was popular with the media.
But when I started to investigate who the *media* is, I got
blanked out.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And so I started Hotline News as a recorded commentary [(312)
731-1100]. And now it's one of the biggest of its kind. It's not
a 900 number; it's a regular phone number.
And *then*, in February '91, I got to know a guy that was doing
access, public access TV shows. And our Monday night show
apparently is so popular that we blank out three commercial
stations: channel 2 [CBS], 9 [WGN], and 32 [Fox], who lose
advertising dollars because of us! Their ratings are down, ours
are up. We got an estimated half a million people watching our
show, yet the radio and TV editor of the newspapers *never*,
never, never says a single word that we exist at all. We're
invisible.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. Along the lines of the media, one of your commentaries talks
about murdered reporters.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Such as Jim Hogan, and...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Not *Jim* Hogan, Paul Hogan.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Paul Hogan. O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Paul Hogan. And a friend of mine was murdered on, right before
the 4th of July in 1970 -- Ted Smart. I spent a *lot* of time
investigating that. He was murdered. Made to look like a
drowning, but they killed him.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. Could you, do you have any additional information on that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, those that I've mentioned -- Louie Lomax, Larry Buckman --
I've mentioned some of those. We've also done a story, which
we'll re-run one of these days, on our recorded message, of the
*judges* that were murdered. Oh, there's been a number of judges
that... There was a judge in uh, Judge William E. Miller, I
believe his name was, in the federal appeals court in Cincinnati,
that was, that gave an indication during an oral presentation of
an appeal, that he was gonna re-open the James Earl Ray case, to
show conspiracy of the government. He never lived to it. He died
while writing the decision. And the other two judges that were
part of the panel made the gratuitous statement that Judge
Miller, although dead, went along with *their* view that the case
should be kept closed.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. I know that this is...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
There's a number of... The original trial judge in the James Earl
Ray case was found laying dead at his desk. And under his body
was laying James Earl Ray's petition to re-open the case -- Judge
Preston Battle(sp?), the Memphis judge that had sentenced Ray.
And so on.
There's been... In other words, a judge that goes *against* the
grain and tries to be honest, in a political murder case and so
on, is generally himself murdered.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. You know, a lot of people that read this are...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Skeptical.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, O.K.?
And I know that I'm really just asking you these things out of
the blue, so that, as far as say, with Jim Hogan, anything...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Paul Hogan.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I'm sorry. I've got it written down here "Jim" -- Paul
Hogan.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well his relatives agree with me. But you don't hear their
viewpoints in the popular press.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Harold Washington's relatives agree with me, but cannot go public
with it because of insurance policy money.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So, I mean, you mean whether I mind being called a liar? Every
judge that our group was instrumental in sending to jail started
out by getting a press conference and calling Skolnick a liar.
And I don't mind. I could give you a long list of those that
called me a liar that end up ex-convicts. And one of 'em, the
chief judge of the traffic court, I interviewed him on tape in
his office. He said that what I said about his corruption -- I
brought 28 witnesses to accuse him -- he says, "Skolnick, I heard
you imagine things," -- he just got out of jail, an ex-convict,
convicted of bribery. So what else should I have to say?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
No. What I'm just sayin' is...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In other words, I'm very careful... Our group is very careful.
We're not in politics. We don't accuse anybody for small reason;
we have no... we aren't gonna get anything out of it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. What's goin' on with Whitewater? Do ya have any...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I've just finished a story that I faxed to one of the smaller
magazines that asked me to write what is known about Whitewater
-- the entire picture. And they're supposed to go to press with
it within a week. I just faxed it to them this morning,
coincidentally.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. You had said before that they're going after Clinton, Gore,
and Gingrich -- all three of 'em, the press is goin' after 'em.
And it doesn't seem to me that they're goin' after Gore that
much.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, I told ya the story of how I was 6 months ahead of the
parade...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...on the Spiro Agnew thing. We're ahead of the parade on the
Gore thing. Only the *St. Louis Post-Dispatch*, last April, used
a watered-down version of our details of the corruption in the
milk bovine situation involving Monsanto Chemical, that huge
company.
And Gore has had a great influence on the FDA. It was his wife
Tipper's relative, Michael R. Taylor, that was a top deputy of
the FDA. He was formerly the outside chief counsel of Monsanto,
the makers of this controversial chemical that makes cows give
more milk, but causes infection to get into the milk, O.K.?
And you're saying, "When will that come out?" -- It's not *up* to
me.
The *Washington Post*, however, 6 weeks after I went on a radio
show talking about it, ran a story that the, Monsanto, actually
had *five* other people working inside the FDA as officials of
the FDA! So... And that a congressman from Vermont was --
Sanders, I believe his name was -- was investigating that. He's
one of the few independents in Congress.
In other words, you're wondering *when*? Hey. I'm not calling the
shots on the secret agenda of who gets knocked down. I mean, I
predicted it accurately in '73 that Agnew was "going to the wall"
first, and *then* Nixon, and then they're gonna bring in the new
team without an election. Which was Gerald Ford, and then-Vice-
President Nelson Rockefeller.
They're pushing for Jay Rockefeller to be the new President,
without an election.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. You answered my question... It was just... As soon as you
answered, somethin' "clicked" in my mind. I said, "Oh yeah! O.K."
So fine. That's satisfactory as far as I'm concerned.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Gingrich is the third-in-line. And notice that, even though he's
a Republican, they're lambasting him about book contracts, about
foundations he was connected with. They want to get rid of all
three of 'em: Clinton, Gore, and Gingrich.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And the next in order of accession, is that Rockefeller then?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No, if the first three of 'em get knocked down, under the 25th
amendment then, I think it's up to Congress to select somebody.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And Congress can be bought, and so they would put in Jay
Rockefeller. Read the 25th amendment and reach your own
conclusion.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And so, when you say Congress can be bought, that relates to
a commentary where you had mentioned the bribery of one-hundred
eight...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. Right. I... Only a right-wing newspaper would run a story
that I did...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You mean *The Spotlight*.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. I don't agree with their politics, but they ran my story
without butchering it up -- verbatim, O.K.? Friends of mine
criticize me because they say, "Well, but their politics are no
good."
I says, "Well, publish it in *Time* magazine then!!"
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. You know, I get the *same* *thing*. Because I read *The
Spotlight* -- O.K.? -- and I don't always agree with their
politics but, and yet they have information that I can't get!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I vigorously disagree with their policy that there was no
Holocaust. My family got lost in the Warsaw ghetto -- I mean,
come on!
But the point is, they print my stories verbatim. Give me a
choice! Put it on Internet. *You're* an alternative.
But what was the story about: of the four largest news agencies
in the world -- O.K.? -- all four had a record that was an open
record with the Bank of England for 30 days only: the bribery
list of BCCI. They had bribed various public officials in various
countries, *including*... They had *bought* 25 percent of both
Houses of Congress. They wanted congressmen to allow them to
proliferate their bank in various branches throughout the United
States. And they needed various committees of Congress to "O.K."
them. O.K.?
[...to be continued...]
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Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 4 Num. 35
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 15, 1995
On March 15, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone.
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
-- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
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[...continued...]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK [continues]:
So what they did is, through a group of six LaSalle street
brokers, they bought 28 U.S. Senators and 108 U.S. Congressmen.
*This* bribery list was in the hands of four news agencies; *one*
had corroborated that the bribery list is correct. And when the
editor of that news agency, with international scope, killed the
story, a very brave reporter contacted me -- like in the Spiro
Agnew thing years ago -- and says, "Hey, Skolnick. I heard you're
a loudmouth there, and you don't mind going with the truth even
if it bothers somebody."
And so they gave me the list, together with all the
corroboration, and I substantiated it further, from my own
sources, and I wrote a story about it.
And one of those that was involved is the wife of Senator Phil
Gramm of Texas. His wife, at the time, was Wendy -- uh, she *is*,
Wendy Gramm -- was the head of the commodity futures trading
corporation that was involved in these corrupt commodity deals
where 25 percent of both Houses of Congress got hundreds of
thousands of dollars by way of bribery! She went along with it.
There were six commodity brokers on LaSalle street that were a
part of it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. We can explore this further, you know? There's...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I know a lot about it! I'm just trying to tell you briefly.
I'm very careful. I don't, despite the judges that have accused
me of being liars (and then went to jail later), I don't, you
know... I'm very careful about this. I check things out.
Yes. We get stories that are "killed" by other news operations.
Yes.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
In the context of this current interview, there's this thing
called "concision" -- O.K.? -- that Noam Chomsky has talked
about, that...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
What is that?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
That means that, they'll, sometimes they'll have somebody, say
like, Noam Chomsky will be on MacNeil-Lehrer about once every ten
years or so. But they'll have him on, and they'll ask him a
question -- but the concision is that he's got 5 minutes to
answer it, O.K.? It's like...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well that's a lot. They used to give me only 40 seconds when I
was a hero with the media in the '60s.
So I used to, I used to get around it, see? They say, "Skolnick.
Nixon, who is the President, he gets two minutes. *You* get 40
seconds."
So I used to write out my statement to the press before the press
conference. And I *timed* it to the second. You want 40 seconds
on film? (Which is what they use.) I used to give 'em 40 seconds.
*That* *way*, they couldn't edit it, see? 'Cuz they'd say, "No!
Keep talkin', Skolnick! We'll edit what *we* want!"
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah [laughs].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I would give 'em 40 seconds. And so they had to use it verbatim!
And the minute the 40 seconds were up on my watch, I shut my
mouth. You know what I mean?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. That's a good way of doin' it. Because I would think
that...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
That they would, they would want me to talk for 4 or 5 minutes
and then they would cut out, they would only put on the air the
"B.S." part, the part that wasn't specific.
So I would time my thing, for the film -- 40 seconds. And the
minute the 40 seconds are up, I shut my mouth.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. But in another sense, though, this idea of "concision"...
You know, if somebody asks somebody for an explanation -- say, of
the Kennedy assassination -- and they only give you 5 minutes to
try and explain all...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
All right. Let me, let me answer that very briefly.
In 1973, a Canadian writer who is now very famous (supposedly),
Mordecai Richler, called me up and says he wants to interview me
-- O.K.? -- about the Chicago plot against Kennedy. That I knew a
lot about because I had a court case on it, you know?
So he shows up at my house, comes into my kitchen, and I started
to present him the documents from the court record. He says, "I
haven't got time for that!" He says, "Tell me, in a short
sentence..."
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! [laughs]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Anyway. I says, "Well wait a minute. You came all the way from
the other end of the country interviewing another assassination
researcher. You came here. And uh, give me a few minutes."
He says, "I can't!" He says, "In 8 minutes I gotta go back out
the door. My cab is waiting on your driveway."
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. That's a perfect example.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He wrote a story for *Playboy* that "Skolnick is a liar and has
no proof whatever of his contention that there was a plot in
Chicago against Kennedy."
Hey! *The* *man* *didn't* *give* *me* *time*!
*Now*, Mordecai Richler -- check his name through a database. Oh!
He publishes books, he's famous. The man is a liar.
Another guy that did the same trick to me was one of the feature
writers of the *Washington Post*! Ronald Kessler. He did the same
trick to me: he flew in on a plane, and he wanted to give me
*five* *minutes* to explain why, uh about the documents, where
Dorothy Hunt was murdered through a sabotaged plane crash. Hey! I
can't *do* it in 5 minutes!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. That's what I meant when I said, "concision". That sums it
up.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In other words, uh... Sometimes I try! Sometimes I talk fast and
I try to fill it up with as many "nuts and bolts". But hey! I'm
not a magician! In order to do this takes time to set it forth,
step by step, in a technical manner, with the "nuts and bolts".
But these guys don't allow time. And then he says, "This fella
Skolnick's a liar! He's got no proof!"
Hey! I couldn't set *forth* everything in 8 minutes, or 5
minutes.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And I brought that up in terms of this interview, say with
this thing of the murdered reporters, that, I'm just asking you
this question "out of the blue", O.K.? And...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
What have I done in that? I have talked to the families, off the
record. I have checked with associates of theirs [i.e.,
associates of the murdered reporters]. I know hospital people.
Hey! I'm the head of a... well, call it an "army" of volunteer
"gumshoes" [laughs]. People that volunteer to investigate things,
snatch records. We've been doin' this since 1963, man [laughs]. I
mean, we find out most anything. I mean we're, my favorite story
is that people whisper into my ear things that they wouldn't dare
tell their grandmother! I mean, we find out... *Boxes* show up
from other places with documents that are supposed to be secret!
[laughs] One of 'em left me a box of documents -- I'll never
forget it -- a year ago, in a snowstorm! A big blizzard! A truck
pulled up, right up onto my lawn! You could see the tire tracks
in the snow? And he delivered me this box of records. No return
address! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. Because I'm kind of limited as far as how much time here --
you know, the idea of "concision", O.K.? -- I...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I don't even know how you spell it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
C-o-n-c-i-s-i-o-n.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Really.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And you gave a good example of that, where ya, this person said,
"I've only got 8 minutes," ya know? And you wanted to go into
some detail to try and explain this.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well tell Noam Chomsky to call me; I'll tell him about the 40-
second *schtick*.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Good trick.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And one final question: do you have any opinion on this thing in
Mexico, where they admit where Salinas' brother may have been
involved in this assassination?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No. But we're working on a story about how they siphoned off tens
of millions of dollars from Mexican government agencies through a
major stock brokerage with an office in Chicago. I know a lot
about it. We're workin' on a story about it.
The other thing about Salinas, I don't have any direct knowledge.
I commend... However. I commend Mexico and the Mexican people for
allowing the word "conspiracy" and "plot" to be discussed. In
other words, if Lee Harvey Oswald did it in Mexico City, they
would say, "Plot!" "Conspiracy!"
United States is backward. *Here*, the press is so afraid of the
people that whenever a prominent person gets "knocked off" --
[e.g.] President -- they says, "Uh, a 'lone assassin' did it."
In Mexico, if the second-in-command of their government or
somethin' gets "knocked off"... Hey! [laughs] Even the *press*
starts talkin' about "Plot!" "Conspiracy!"
I commend Mexico for that. They're more candid [laughs].
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[CN Editor -- I cannot vouch for the accuracy of *all* of the
following. It may or may not be true, I just don't know. However
I consider Skolnick to be an honest and careful investigator.]
[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put
out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up
the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]
Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts,
9800 South Oglesby.
Years ago, the King of England would issue a Bill of Attainder,
designating a certain person as an "enemy of the State" -- they
and their family to be banished from the realm. All this without
a verdict of courts of law.
The U.S. Constitution prohibits passing a Bill of Attainder.
Despite this, the federal government has massive computers with a
National Security Index, listing persons who are "enemies of the
State" -- political dissidents, outspoken critics of the
government. In case of a national emergency or other such excuse,
they are to be rounded up and shipped off to concentration camps
in remote areas.
All that, and more, without a verdict of courts of law.
The National Security Index includes, but is not limited to, the
following:
1) Illegal Tax Protesters -- ITP -- those who agitate against the
state and federal income tax. For example, those who claim the
16th amendment to the federal Constitution was fraudulently
obtained (Remember, the 16th amendment underlies the IRS), and
those who claim the IRS does not follow their own rules.
2) Members of groups who agitate against corruption of local,
state, and federal officials.
3) Certain college professors and other educators who advocate
ways to combat what they perceive as unfair government policies.
4) Members of "Posse Comitatus" [CN -- literally, "power or
authority of the county"] who advocate use of the local county
power to remedy lawlessness of government officials.
5) Members of groups that agitate against the ultra-rich, who
label such groups "reds", or "communists".
6) Those who advocate the second amendment; that is, the federal
Constitutional right to bear arms to offset the tyranny of the
central government.
7) Witnesses whose testimony could be used to finger high
government officials for crimes... such as treason!
Some very well-informed people believe that, over and above
listing such groups and persons in a national computer, that
there are "death squads" -- right here in the United States! Now
we know there *are* death squads used to torture and "snuff out"
dissidents in Central and South America. A west coast editor and
publisher, Harry Martin, states, "Three city of Chicago firemen,
ex-Green Berets, have murdered key witnesses in California in the
Inslaw affair." -- a mess that was the subject of a hushed-up
federal grand jury in Chicago, investigating treason committed by
the Reagan and Bush White Houses, theft of high technology, and
secretly sold to sworn enemies of the United States, such as Iraq
and Iran and others. According to the report, a west coast
district attorney is aware of the Chicago-based death squad.
For the Justice Department, supervising the grand jury was former
Chicago federal district judge Nicholas J. Bua, also North
American head of the super-secret Freemason society, P-2,
dedicated -- now get this -- to the overthrow of representative
government, [e.g., in] Italy, England, France, and the United
States.
We complained to Bua, to no avail, that some 40 federal grand
jury witnesses were murdered! Including two journalists and an
official of the Chicago federal bankruptcy court. It became the
subject of an unpublicized federal district court suit here --
number 92 C 6217 -- which the crooked judges here put out of
court, without legal formality.
In Chicago, see us on cable tv, channel 21, 9 pm [cst] most
Monday evenings.
Play it again: "Chicago as the Center of the Corrupt World".
(312) 731-1505.
New message Tuesday; we change it several times a week.
Donations appreciated. Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the
Courts, 9800 South Oglesby, Chicago, [Illinois] 60617. For the
latest on courts, banks, espionage agencies, political
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 20, 1995
On March 20, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone.
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
-- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
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CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. To get to some questions: first off, are there any late-
breaking stories that you're workin' on?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, we're workin' on a story about the FBI which will probably
be, might be our next message on our recorded message. There's a
lot to be said about them.
What else is happening. Uh, well... I'm trying to think. What is
that late-breaking item?
Well we're trying to check out something. There was some radio,
smaller radio stations, carried a story the other day that
several very sizeable banks in this country are in terrible
condition, which may pull down the banking system. I've been
checking with my financial sources to see if there are any
further details. But that's something that has to be looked into.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And just generally, I wanted to start off if there's any
pressing message that you wanted to get out, before I get to some
of the other questions. Just, you know, if there's anything that
you had that you wanted to especially say.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Not that I can think of. I may think of somethin' and call you
right back. But... Are you home?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
After I finish this, I may think of somethin'. I'll call ya right
back if you're gonna be there.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, okay. I'll hang around for maybe an hour or so.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
O.K. All right, go ahead with your questions.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. In one of your radio interviews, you talked about how you
had interviewed Michael Riconosciuto. And you mentioned...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well it was *more* than that.
A lawyer that we knew at the time volunteered to be his attorney
while Riconosciuto was in the federal jail in Chicago. And that
turned out to be a period from September 'til almost the first of
the year. From September '92 'til almost the end of December '92,
Riconosciuto was in the Metropolitan Correction Center, which is
the federal jail, downtown Chicago. (It's one of the only
triangular buildings, by the way, in the world.)
And I and an associate of mine volunteered to be the paralegals.
And so, the three of us, quite often, were down there in the
jail, talking in a conference room with Riconosciuto, who
contended, number one, that he had been framed on false dope
charges to get him out of circulation. Because he's a super-duper
computer hacker and was the chief of research for Wackenhut
Corporation, which is a private off-shoot of the Central
Intelligence Agency.
And, so that's basically what we did over a period of months. And
we found out a great deal of information, while he was waiting to
be brought before the Inslaw federal grand jury, which was headed
by a former judge, Nicholas J. Bua.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I can fill in a lot of details. But that's briefly what it is.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right, and in this interview that I'm thinking of, you said
that...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Not *interview*. It's in the plural; we were there sometimes
three times a week!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. But what I'm referring to is a specific radio interview, I
think it was *Radio Free America*, where you... When I say "the
interview", I mean the interview with Tom Valentine...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, okay.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
...and you, as I recall, you said that when you began probing
into the area of the World Trade Center bombing, Riconosciuto...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No, that was after he had finished his grand jury testimony and
was sent back to a federal jail facility, elsewhere in the
country. That one of our group -- he used to call some of us, in
our group, collect. It was the only way to contact us. And one of
our associates began asking him (this would've been in the Spring
of '93, after the World Trade Center bombing). And we asked him
whether the "EHT", that he invented -- Electrostatic Heat
Transfer (that is a type of explosion, just below nuclear. It's
not dynamite. It's something else.) -- whether that was used in
the bombing of the World Trade Center. Because, unlike usual
explosives, whatever was used *melted* some of the girders. And
usually, dynamite and stuff like that simply blows out the weaker
elements -- windows, brick walls. It wouldn't get to the point of
melting steel. The only thing that can do that, as a type of
explosive, is this sub-nuclear thing called "EHT", which was
invented by him, and promoted by him and his former business
partner, Robert Booth Nichols.
And when we talked to Riconosciuto about it, unlike him, he flew
into a terrible rage and says, "You better get *off* that!!" And
from the conversation, we gathered that his position was that if
we didn't get off that, we were in terrible, terrible danger in
even discussing it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And who do you... Do you have any opinion on who was behind
that World Trade Center bombing?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Probably foreign intelligence agencies that wanted to blame it
all on Arabs. Because one of those who, I believe, subsequently
confessed to certain things had a phone number where he could be
reached. And that phone number was the number, the phone number
of a woman who was with Israeli Intelligence. From that, and a
number of other details, we gather that it is *not* the Arabs
that really were involved. They were, they were... I don't know
how to put it. They were pushed into the position of
provocateurs. But they were being manipulated by others that were
not Arabs! That were some foreign intelligence agencies: either
French, Israel, or others.
Because what they wanted was a very negative thing against the
Arabs. And that helps the FBI. Because currently -- and that's
the story we're working on, by the way -- more than *half* of the
FBI, in their major offices, like Chicago, more than half of 'em
are into counter-terrorism. And basically what they're doing is
they're sitting outside the homes all night of Palestinian-
Americans (some of whom run grocery stores), as if every one of
'em is a terrorist! In other words, half of the FBI in Chicago
are counter-terrorists.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
There's this thing with this Trade Center bombing that, there's a
thin line -- O.K.? Because the FBI was probing into it, but it
may be that they had crossed a thin line into actually provoking
the incident.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, the point is, they work in teams: one side investigates,
and the other side purports to represent the would-be defendants.
The principle attorney during most of the time (I think he was
pushed out, late in the prosecution), the principle defense
attorney was William Kunstler.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Who was formerly a top officer of the O.S.S., which later became
the CIA.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I'm surprised to hear that! Because Kunstler, I had always
thought of him as...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...as a "radical revolutionary". Yeah, I understand. I understand
that.
For awhile... When I first confronted Kunstler with this, in
1969, he wouldn't answer. But he pushed Jerry Rubin up against my
wheelchair, to try to scare me. In later years, into the '70s, a
magazine came out called *Counterspy*. And he [Kunstler] was up
on the masthead as a senior officer of the O.S.S.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And he's defending, if I'm not mistaken, the Shabazz thing
with, you know, where Malcolm X's daughter had...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. He gets into all these so-called "radical, revolutionary"
situations. Starting as far back as the "Chicago 7", Rennie Davis
and all that. And I don't know if you saw the detailed fact sheet
that we had about Rennie Davis, but um... Did I send ya one of
those?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, we covered it. You know, that Rennie Davis was...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...got a blue fact sheet. I think I sent you one of those.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. You may have. I put all your stuff in a file, so...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
It's a very small type. But it's very complete.
Most of those that were in the "Chicago 7", the thing was funded
by CIA foundations. And we went into a very detailed research
report about it.
And the lawyer that fronted for them, in months and months of
criminal trial here, was William Kunstler. And like I say, at the
time I confronted him that he had been with CIA, he wouldn't
answer. Instead, he pushed Jerry Rubin to, you know, sort of
"block" me, or whatever you want to call that.
So when you say that he's with the Shabazz thing and he was with
the World Trade Center criminal defendants, that, by itself, is a
piece of circumstantial proof that supports our position that
there's espionage involvement.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. Regarding that "Chicago 7" trial, one of my sort of "heroes"
was Abbie Hoffman, when I was younger. I find it hard to...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I liked Abbie quite a bit. But Abbie got into a treacherous area
there of playing games with CIA. And it may have led to his
strange death. {1}.
I ran into Abbie over the years. He wouldn't... He liked to tell
very obscene jokes, which some of our friends used to laugh at;
they were rather funny. However, he wouldn't answer our specific
research points as to how he was allowed to travel all over the
world, by court permission, while he was, had been convicted or
was awaiting -- during the criminal trial and while he was
convicted, the judges allowed him to travel all over the world.
Which is not done to people facing much lesser criminal charges.
For example, he flew into split Yugoslavia about the same time
that Nixon did. Which would be, I believe (I think it's on our
fact sheet), approximately 1970 or '71.
But on the CIA thing, is when Abbie stopped laughing. During the
'72 GOP convention, which later resulted in riots, we... I was
down there with friends of mine that had their own van. And we
used to drive Abbie around in our van while we talked to him. And
he would joke, like I say, about porno and so on, obscene things,
which some of my friends laughed at quite a bit.
But then when I showed him some of the documents, that were
little-known, about CIA and that, he really got very upset and
wouldn't answer.
And I suspect that he thought it was cute to play these games,
use CIA foundation money to do what *he* was doing, and sort of
"play both sides". He was a very clever man.
[...to be continued...]
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{1} "In 1988, *Playboy* magazine published an in-depth article on
the October Surprise scheme. In what would become a pattern of
killings that coincidentally protected high U.S. officials, one
of the authors, Abbie Hoffman, was killed shortly after bringing
the article to *Playboy*." -- Page 198, *Defrauding America* by
Rodney Stich. Expanded second edition. ISBN: 0-932438-08-3.
Diablo Western Press, Inc., 1994.
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 20, 1995
On March 20, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone.
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
-- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
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[...continued...]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, okay.
Regarding Waco, Texas: you had, in one of your commentaries,
you'd mentioned as far as the Branch Davidian church being a
possible CIA brainwashing facility.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. Because they had, CIA has got a similar facility right
nearby there.
However, I don't claim to be that knowledgeable about the Waco
thing. And I... It wasn't something that we worked on directly.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. Are you of the opinion that... There's a video that shows a
tank with a flame-thrower...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I'm concerned about that. That came from Linda Thompson. And some
of us are very concerned. (She distributed the thing from
Indianapolis.) And we are concerned whether that particular thing
was added to or changed or enhanced, or even so far as being
falsified. We don't know.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
She's a controversial figure, that...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, she is.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
...that, even myself: I'm just not certain on which way to
call...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well she tried, she tried to organize 100,000 people to march on
the nation's capital, *armed*. And there are laws against that.
In other words, you can't come down the highway, armed, and march
like a huge army on Washington, DC. It's... There's various
federal, criminal laws that would be involved.
She later sent out a bulletin (and I think we have it in the
file) trying to explain away why she called it off.
But some of us are very concerned, that she showed up from
nowhere, and had all the trappings of an *agent provocateur*.
And I haven't decided one way or the other. It's just uh, I'm
very leery of her. Let's put it that way.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Because, as I understand it, she is saying that this thing about
the March on Washington was a ruse by her, in order to get the
militia movement going.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well some of... The facts she sent, about the federal reserve
being illegal and things like that, are things that more
knowledgeable people may accept. But she used that, *we* *fear*,
as a smokescreen to put through a provocation. And this comes at
a time when a lot of ordinary people, especially those that do
not live in large cities, are forming what they call "militias",
arming themselves, and are prepared to take the law into their
own hands, so to speak, because of the failure of the courts and
the government to satisfy what appear to be their grievances.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You know, I've got, personally I've got mixed feelings about
these militias: on the one hand, I can see it as a positive
thing. But on the other hand, I can see it as a dangerous thing
in that it could be infiltrated...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Absolutely. And we are very concerned about that, because the
Posse Comitatus has been widely infiltrated by government agents.
All you have to do is look back thirty, forty, fifty years and be
knowledgeable about dissident movements, starting in the '30s and
then post-World War II. There was a time in the late '40s and
early '50s when it was reasonable to say that half of the
Communist Party USA were actually FBI members. And they
manipulated things until the Communist Party more or less broke
apart, about 1956.
And even today, I occasionally, as a journalist, have gone
several times over the last 20 years since the Communist Party
came out of the underground, following 1968, and held public
meetings. I went to their meetings but (as a journalist), but I
was given a very hard time. I... Generally, they grabbed the
microphone out of my hand when I tried to interview any of 'em in
the hallway. And I didn't ask belligerent right-wing questions. I
asked reasonable, you know, journalist-type questions. And most
of the times I was greatly hassled.
And there are some that I greatly suspect are paid... I wouldn't
call 'em provocateurs. I don't know what to call 'em. Well...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Informants maybe.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. They generally will not criticize the large banks. And they
generally spend a lot of their time on supporting strikes and all
that -- which is commendable. I mean... And, but they generally
do *not* go after the very big companies. Once in a while they
do. But they will not, in their newspaper (which is now called, I
think, the "People's Weekly World" or something), they generally
will not condemn the large companies by name. Although they
condemn 'em in general. In other words, they don't go into the
"nuts and bolts" that the rest of us are prepared to talk about.
And therefore I am wondering just what the Hell... That seems to
be an example of a paid situation. I give that as an example, so
that *now* that we have the militias and the Posse Comitatus and
that, it may be *more* of the same, manipulated by the FBI.
That's what I'm getting at.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And this, you know, your dealings with these so-called
"progressive"-type people, would lead into this question I have
that, there seems to be a split in the so-called "progressive"
movement. And I would exemplify that as "Chomsky versus Parenti".
Chomsky does not see any problem, from what I can tell, with
conspiracies -- the JFK assassination, et cetera -- versus Dr.
Michael Parenti, who has a Ph.D. from Yale...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, I know. The other thing is, that other so-called "lefties",
like Alexander Cockburn -- you know who I'm talkin' about?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, sure.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He "pooh-poohed" the whole JFK conspiracy thing.
I read his stories in *The Nation*, and I find 'em interesting.
However. The two so-called "left wing" progressive magazines,
that is, *Progressive* magazine from, I think, Madison,
Wisconsin, and *The Nation*, take heavy funding from foundations
that we greatly suspect. *The Nation*, in particular, gets money
from the Roger Baldwin Foundation. They couldn't function without
it. And I began an investigation of them in 1969. And I could
make out a convincing case that the Baldwin Foundation is a CIA
conduit.
So I have misgivings about *The Nation*.
However, they do some interesting work, I must say.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I also read *The Nation*, and it's kind of uneven;
sometimes there'll be really excellent articles, and sometimes I
just throw it away.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well they put down, they put down political murder conspiracies
as being far-fetched. And a few other things along those lines.
And they will never cover... O.K. One subject that they did
cover, reluctantly, but eventually they did, was how the ACLU was
closely aligned with the FBI and J. Edgar Hoover for about 25
years. They did a lengthy piece on that a few years ago. What
they will *not* do is show how the Roger Baldwin Foundation,
which is a successor to the ACLU, is closely tied for about --
well, since 1967 -- with the CIA through another group of
foundations. And the reason they *can't* go into it is, the
Baldwin Foundation principally finances *The Nation* magazine.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. It's just something that I, it confused me for awhile there
that, we've got a local radio station down here that's excellent.
It's a community-based radio station, WEFT. And they've got a
very good show on, on Saturday morning, called "News From
Neptune". But my problem with them is, they're *very* heavily
Chomsky-based. And I've even, I've sent them a tape of a talk by
Dr. Parenti dealin' with... The name of the tape was, "Conspiracy
and Class Power," where he goes into, "Yes! There's
conspiracies!", you know, with all these political
assassinations.
And they seem, they're very close-minded about it, O.K.? It's
like...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well who publishes his [Chomsky's] books? He's quite a prolific
writer. I think he's in with the *Z Magazine* crowd in Cambridge.
And the one's... They came from nowhere, they put out a very
slick magazine. And one of their principals is Chip Berlet, who I
strongly suspect is funded by CIA. He has no other visible
income. And he has written articles, that those of us who are in
the political assassination research movement are actually Nazis.
And he's gone quite a bit, and written about me -- and others
like that. As to me, it's completely false. Because I conducted
some of the first seminars, in the United States, on Nazi war
criminals that were living amongst us. And this was in 1976, when
it was not popular to even discuss anything of the sort. *Now*,
with a lot of 'em [Nazis] old and dead, or so old that they're
(you know), it's not important 20 years later. But in 1976 it
was. And I conducted one of the largest seminars that I could.
And here is Chip Berlet, says that Skolnick and some of his
associates are actually Nazis! I mean it's, it's terrible.
His real name is John Foster Dulles Berlet. His parents were very
much in with the one that ran the State Department years ago. And
they've had very close CIA links. That whole *Z Magazine* crowd
in Cambridge appears to be financed and promoted by entities of
the CIA.
The CIA... I used to teach a course in this at a radio-tv
broadcast school, 25 years ago. On how you investigate
foundations through their tax-exempt status, which requires them
to have their income tax form as a public record. And I developed
methods of showing which foundations are actually conduits for
the Central Intelligence.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You know, Chip Berlet for awhile was active in one of these
newsgroups that I kind of "hang out" in, in cyberspace. He was
puttin' out somethin' called, he called "The Baloney Busters
Bugle", O.K.? And to make a long story short, he just basically
got laughed out of the place. Because...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He purports to be a "lefty". However, there's substantial... You
could make substantial arguments against it.
And his magazine... When the JFK movie by Oliver Stone was coming
out, or about to come out, they did a, they did an establishment-
type put-down. Let's put it that way.
[...to be continued...]
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 20, 1995
On March 20, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone.
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
-- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
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CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And this would be the reason why, perhaps, you find it
difficult to get published. You know, say, I would think that
*The Nation* magazine would be doing some stories on you or by
you.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well they've always rejected my stories.
The only ones that would run it verbatim were the ultra right
wing, whose politics I don't approve of. But I'm left with very
few choices because the *only* *one* that takes a more balanced
view and is more progressive is *Steamshovel* magazine. Until I
ran into Kenn Thomas, there was no one, really, that wanted to
publish my stuff without butchering it up.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah I also... I subscribe to the *Steamshovel* magazine. And as
a matter of fact, Kenn Thomas is on the mailing list. So I'm sure
he'll be glad to hear that you appreciate his work, as do I.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He's aware of it. But other than him (he's a rarity), most of the
so-called "left wing" press are, are whores. They work for some
devious financial source that they do not openly or publicly
divulge. And as a result, they have almost as many hang-ups as
the mass media.
And that includes the Communist Party paper, *The People's Weekly
World*, *The Nation*, *Progressive* magazine... They can't...
Let's put it this way: people that are independent, like myself,
that speak out on a *variety* of subjects, are not welcome in
that direction at all.
National Public Radio, although some of their very small stations
are more open-minded, they generally will not let on the air (and
I've tried) discussions that I and people associated with me talk
about. We are *not* permitted.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Let me tell ya somethin' that happened with me, okay?
I heard, over the Internet, there was a (this past summer), a DEA
agent who quit the DEA, named Celerino Castillo, who's written a
book called *Powderburns* [*Powderburns: Cocaine, Contras, and
the Drug War*] where he goes into all this stuff. I heard, on the
Internet, that he was gonna be available for downloading or
whatever [downlinking] on the Virtual Radio Network. And I called
up the local PBS radio station here, WILL-AM. And I said, "Look,
this might be a good interview, you know?" I mean, if you've got
a guy sayin' that the U.S. government is complicit in bringin'
drugs into the country, I would say that if you're really serious
about winning a "War on Drugs" that you might want to bring
*that* out a little bit.
So, to his credit, the guy listened to it, okay? But he decided
he wasn't gonna play it. One guy! All right?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And the same thing, I think, goes for (I may be mistaken, but I
think I'm right) Michael Levine, *The Big White Lie*, where he
tells what happened to him in the DEA and how they promote dope
rather than regulate it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
He spoke at my *alma mater*, Northern Illinois University, back
around 1990, 1991. I was very impressed by him. I've read both of
his books [*Deep Cover* and *The Big White Lie* by Michael
Levine].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
But I don't think they're reviewed or discussed on National
Public Radio or on PBS.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! It's not allowed in the, the equation, to solve the so-
called "War on Drugs". There's two things allowed: either you're
really gonna get tough on these people and lock 'em up, or else
you're gonna treat it as a health problem. And somethin' that's
*never* let in is, you know, the government -- Terry Reed in
*Compromised*, in that book? -- the government, they're bringin'
in the drugs, *they're* *part* *of* *it*. That's not allowed in!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
All right, the one that has done *more* about it is, the mass
media, the *60 Minutes* program -- when was it? Last year or
somethin', they did about... Or was it more than a year?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Naw. It's been about within the past year.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
They did a thing about the CIA brought in *tons* of cocaine at a
time from Venezuela.
But *60 Minutes* doesn't put it in a proper overall context, the
way Levine or Terry Reed or others would. And I think they have
not adequately allowed a discussion of Professor Alfred McCoy's
more recent book. He first came out with it, *The Politics of
Heroin in Southeast Asia*, in '72. But in the last couple years
he came with an updated book [McCoy, Alfred. *The Politics of
Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade* (Chicago Review
Press, 1991)]. And I don't think that there was adequate
discussion of him and his book.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah that's somethin', I just figured I'd touch on that, that I
have run into. In trying to...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The reason for that is the number of foundations, that we can
show are conduits for CIA, that are interlocked with the
management of PBS and National Public Radio.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You know, my theory on this is that, it's like Chomsky is like a
line of defense, okay? That it's like a "limited hangout" {2}.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Absolutely the correct term. That's the correct espionage
parlance that you're using. "Limited hangout".
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. I mean, for people who get past the first perimeter of
thought control, they'll come up against Chomsky. And it'll be
like, "Ah! Here is the truth!" But, you know, with me I began to
say, you know, "Well what about this Kennedy assassination? And
what about conspiracies, and things like that?" And it's like,
they give you this thing like, that... It's like a pose, you
know? Like that "they're so sophisticated," and "what do *you*
know," and...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Absolutely. And not only that, but they will not allow any
discussion about these different secret societies that -- for
whatever reason -- the ultra right wing likes to expose: the
Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg group, the Council on
Foreign Relations, and so on. Or the federal reserve and things
like that. Those are all forbidden subjects.
Well but you can see why. For a long while, the head of, PBS, I
believe it was, was Sharon Percy Rockefeller, the wife of Jay
Rockefeller. So I mean, how would you expect, since they are in
with the, that they are the ones that conduct the Bilderberg
meetings, naturally, that is a subject that they wouldn't allow
discussed!
They purport to be liberal, but really not.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And another problem that I've noticed with PBS is that they
didn't used to accept corporate funding. Or at least, say, back
in the mid-70s, there was no "Archer Daniels Midland" or
anything, where you turn on MacNeil-Lehrer and you get a mini-
commercial about "the good people at Archer Daniels Midland". The
corporations didn't have their foot in the door. But they *got*
their foot in the door. And Studs Terkel, a Chicago writer, has
said this also. When this first happened, that PBS began
accepting corporate funding, as I recall he said something like,
"Watch out! They've got their foot in the door now."
That's my take on it, that that's another reason that they're
kind of limited in who they'll go after.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. And they generally will not allow independents -- not just
me, but others like me -- to be heard on any of their facilities
at any time. In other words, we're completely forbidden.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah that kind of happened... I made minor efforts in that
direction, you know, like I say, with the local WILL-AM here.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Somebody could write a lengthy piece on how the right wing and
left wing are carefully controlled. The left wing, as I said, is
financed principally by foundations, acting for CIA. So that
somebody at CIA headquarters is having a big laugh on a lot of
other people, in that they're like a giant Wurlitzer organ {3}.
They're directing what, if anything, can be discussed.
And the right wing, because they get into things that are
obnoxious to a lot of sensible people, in some ways discredit
themselves. In other words, they promote ideas that "the
Holocaust didn't occur", that "this didn't happen", that "there's
a Jewish banking conspiracy", and things like that, that affront
more sensible people.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
For a simple reason. Martin Meyer, in his book *The Bankers*,
showed that there was only one Jewish-named bank official in a
bank house in the United States. There *are* people with Jewish
names running investment banking on Wall Street, but they have
not been actual Jews for three or four generations. But the right
wing keeps going like there's a Jewish banking conspiracy. So
they, in some ways, discredit themselves. The left wing is, too
much of their press is owned by the CIA through foundations. So
you can see there's no [laughs], there's no free press, even for
the so-called "extremists" [laughs].
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. I want to move on to one final thing here, and then I'll
hang around here for awhile, if you want to call back with
anything else.
This is kind of switching gears here, but it seems to me you've
got a pretty good familiarity with the history of Chicago. And I
took a course at Northern Illinois University on the history of
Chicago. And they talked about some of these turn-of-the-century
characters in Chicago politics. These names may ring a bell with
you, or they may not:
People like "Bathhouse John" Coughlin, "Hinky Dink", "Pushcart
Tony" -- "Pushcart Tony" supposedly was a politician from around
the turn-of-the-century that, when he would walk by, the Italian
immigrant women would bless themselves, you know, like as if,
"This is the anti-Christ" or somethin'.
And you've also, like another colorful character that you've kind
of mentioned a lot is uh, I heard your story about Nicholas J.
Bua, where you had, you know, he had tried to talk to you and
you're callin' him "Judge". And he's over there, "Call me
'Nick'!"
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I was about the only journalist that has succeeded to get lengthy
interviews with him. I've known him for more than 30 years. And
he does try to be friendly with me, figuring that he can persuade
me to his view. Although I continue to believe that he's the head
of P-2 in North America -- *Propaganda Due*.
[...to be continued...]
-------------------------<< Notes >>-----------------------------
{2} "Limited hangout". I can't find a precise definition for this
term at the moment, so here is how I explain it. "Limited
hangout" means telling *some* of the truth so that seekers will
be deflected from the whole truth. For example, when Clinton was
asked if he had ever smoked marijuana he replied that he had
puffed but had never inhaled. Clinton was offering a limited
hangout, in which he told only *some* of the truth. In relation
to Chomsky one again finds a limited hangout: Chomsky tells
*some* of the truth and many seekers are deflected from the whole
truth of conspiracies, assassinations, etc.
{3} For a good introduction to this concept of the CIA's control
of the media being like someone playing a Wurlitzer organ, see
*The CIA's Greatest Hits* by Mark Zepezauer (Tucson: Odonian
Press, 1994).
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 20, 1995
On March 20, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone.
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
-- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
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CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. That was your most recent commentary. I put that out; that
went out last night.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And *Propaganda Due* is tied in with the Gladio thing that came
out, in a tremendous scandal in Switzerland.
In other words, they're a secret group that is promoting fascism
and wants to do away with representative government. There's been
things published about P-2 and Gladio.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. But, you know, you've lived in Chicago all your life, as I
understand it. And looking back on the history of Chicago, have
there been any "colorful scoundrels" that you can think of?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh, yeah. The ones in the courthouse! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Some of 'em are still there! Some of 'em are *very* colorful. The
scoundrels are not all gone.
And the other thing you gotta understand about Chicago is,
whatever criminality there is they want to blame on two groups
that may not be that much involved: street gangs (mostly blacks
and Hispanics), and the traditional Italian and Sicilian mafia.
But the best way to understand that is, they *front* for the
"blue-stocking" trade, the ones that are in the social directory.
They don't want to do their dirty business *directly*, so they do
it through these other people.
And I'm hoping, *someday*, that a *former* mafioso (if there is
such a thing) will enlighten us as to the dirty work that they do
for the very wealthy, that do not wish to dirty their hands with
various things: with the dope trade... with various things.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You did a commentary once that I *wish* I had recorded. For some
reason, I figured "Aw, no. I'm not gonna..." And maybe you'll run
it again. That, it dealt with, along the lines of "The dope
shipment had arrived, so Mayor Daley ordered a special police
escort to bring the dope to..."
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Oh yeah! We did a show on that. We did a one-hour show on that.
We had interviewed some very well-placed people in law-
enforcement. And they told us how the dope business really
operates in Chicago. It operates through... Well, they had a
protected warehouse on the north side [of Chicago] and they had
one on the south side. And the truckloads of dope would come,
escorted by a police car! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And the dope is piled up, like so many bags of coffee!
And we also know of a very fancy restaurant, that's on North
Milwaukee Avenue here, where the dopers and the police brass
meet, jointly.
So about six weeks after our television show, the law enforcement
people busted a south side warehouse posing as a "truck repair"
place. And trucks would come in, with dope in the panels of the
truck.
They did not, however, bust the major dope warehouse on the north
side. And our moderator suggested that we *not* give the exact
address, for fear that it'll be bombed and that innocent people,
driving by or walking by, will be hurt, not knowing what's in
that warehouse.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And this brings to mind, I had asked you about the other
panelists on your show. And you told me about Jim Reis and Cliff
Kelley. But... (I like all your group there; I think you got a
good chemistry.) But what about Marc Sato? Any background on him?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He had worked some years ago for IBM. And I think he's in the
process of writing a book. He has gone into seclusion; he hasn't
been on our show for several months now.
But he was on our show from the beginning, from '91 up until
about the end of '94. He's a computer expert and he's a third-
generation Japanese-American.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And he wrote... Did he write a book, *The Law That Never
Was*, or somethin' like that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. He did the principal work for two volumes, which a *few* of
the larger libraries have it. But it was privately printed. It's
generally not available outside of the Anti-Tax movement.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
So is he the author, then, of that? Or...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He's not listed as the author, but he actually wrote the thing.
'Cuz the guy they list as an author, I know. And he's not a
writer! [laughs] So somebody other than the listed author
obviously wrote the thing.
It's an interesting documentary study of the 16th amendment being
fraudulently obtained, and that the necessary number of states
never ratified the 16th amendment. And therefore the underpinning
of the IRS is fraudulent.
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I consider Skolnick to be an honest and careful investigator.]
[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put
out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up
the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]
Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts,
9800 South Oglesby.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation has a long history. Started
early in the 20th century as the "Bureau of Investigation", the
first director was Bonaparte -- like his namesake, Napoleon, a
dictator. Because it was notoriously corrupt, it was re-formed as
the *Federal* Bureau of Investigation. Its long-time head, J.
Edgar Hoover, was likewise a corrupt dictator.
As known to old-timers, Hoover took bribes from certain bank
robbers to evade prosecution. You saw in the movies what happened
to those that did not pay off!
Then and now, the FBI has rotten specialties:
ITEM: The FBI specializes in blocking pro-labor activists from
ever owning a broadcast license for radio or TV.
ITEM: The FBI likes to frame-up union organizers and trade
unionists, setting them up to go to jail on false charges of
violence and bombings.
ITEM: With their secret *agent provocateurs*, the FBI infiltrates
dissident political groups, urging them into confrontations with
the police. The FBI's black bag experts break into such movement
offices, stealing records of membership and donors, and then
using the same to terrorize supporters at their schools, offices,
and shops. (In the view of the FBI, as America's secret political
police, anyone standing out from the harmless mainstream is bound
to be a subversive and domestic terrorist!)
ITEM: The FBI uses faked-up video tapes to frame-up local
officials they don't like. It happened to several Chicago
aldermen who were outspoken for human rights -- considered,
thereby, to be "reds" by FBI!
ITEM: The FBI covers up political assassinations, such as that of
President Kennedy -- well documented in Mark North's huge book,
*Act of Treason*.
ITEM: The FBI turned a blind eye to the traditional mafia. The
underworld blackmailed, with secret pictures, "Gay Edgar
Hoover's" homosexual escapades with another top FBI official. See
Anthony Summers' book, *Official and Confidential: The Secret
Life of [J. Edgar] Hoover*. (Also, gangsters like those who owned
and operated booze maker Schenley(sp?) Industries bribed the FBI
through a crooked foundation front.)
ITEM: In large cities, like Chicago, upwards of half of the FBI
agents work "counter-terrorism". What it means: they sit all
night watching the back window of the home of Palestinian-
Americans, on the false theory that *all* such are dope
traffickers and terrorists through their grocery store.
Who is next on FBI's "dirty target list", huh?
Never mentioned: no federal statute provides for the Federal
Bureau of Investigation. Unlike CIA, the FBI has no charter
authorizing its existence. The FBI was simply "created" out of
the mists and vapors of a would-be police state.
The monopoly press has been heavily infiltrated by both the FBI
and CIA. Savvy folks call Chicago's WBBM radio and TV "Your local
FBI station". WMAQ-TV, channel 5, sub-contracts for FBI work,
processing undercover video at unmarked downtown offices.
*Tribune*-owned WGN-TV sub-contracts for FBI counter-terrorism
work, as well as Military Intelligence, undercover.
ITEM: The FBI compiles dirt on the private lives and finances of
other federal officials, particularly federal judges. Purpose? So
that the FBI's boss, the Justice Department, has no problem in
winning civil and criminal cases in court.
In Chicago, see us on cable tv, channel 21, 9 pm [cst] most
Monday evenings.
Play it again: "The Corrupt Center of the World: Chicago". (312)
731-1505.
New message Saturday; we change it several times a week.
Donations appreciated. Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the
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the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]
Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts,
9800 South Oglesby.
Late in 1987, a U.S. government special team quietly started an
investigation in Chicago, aided by Military Intelligence, Secret
Service, and others. Their report, when completed, was *not* set
to be released until several decades into the next century. They
were to find out whether Chicago's first black mayor, Harold
Washington, was poisoned. If so, who did it and why?
At the time, the monopoly press said Harold liked junk food, he
was overweight, and he died from a heart attack.
The team's first determination was that Harold *was* poisoned,
that the county medical examiner's office would have to have been
part of the cover-up. The quiz centered on a coffee cup; he
slumped to the floor after drinking some of it. The one usually
preparing the coffee was told, someone else, that day, would do
it.
Two so-called "technicians" later cut a piece out of his office
carpet, where some coffee had spilt. The secret team *next*
determined that "national security" was invoked by the mass media
to prevent any real questions being raised about the death. The
media policy was to prevent racial riots that occurred after Dr.
King was murdered. The team found out that only two small, black
radio stations, in Chicago, violated this policy. Others in the
press warned *them* they faced loss of their broadcast license.
The group [was] linked to Lt. Colonel Oliver North and his
basement operation -- high-level, retired military people. They
were behind it! The team had the details. In fact, one of the
retired Generals came several times to town, prior to the
murder..... "Planning Committee".
The motive was the same one underlying the murder of President
Kennedy, Malcolm X, Dr. King, and others: severe "national
security" risk. For example, in July 1960, during the
Presidential election, Ronald Reagan sent Nixon a hand-written
letter. In *their* circle, it was a death warrant. John F.
Kennedy was a Marxist, Reagan contended, and implied that if
Kennedy beats Nixon and gets into the White House -- well,
Kennedy would be an extreme risk to the nation. In other words,
JFK had to be assassinated for the so-called "good" of the
country.
Among Reagan and others, Marxists and Communists were one and the
same; they saw no distinction. Dr. King was likewise so labeled a
subversive. So the secret group examined Harold's history. While
a student leader at Roosevelt college, yes, he was thick with the
so-called "communist" circle there. When he ran for Congress,
yes, he was aided by those perceived as being members of the
Communist Party USA -- labeled as a Soviet puppet apparatus. When
he was elected Mayor of Chicago, yes, there were three or more
black aldermen labeled by some in the [City] Council as
"communists".
So, ultra right wingers saw Harold and his re-election as Mayor
as an extreme "national security" matter -- one of the nation's
largest cities, center of international banking and commerce, run
by "closet communists"! From *their* point of view, it could not
be tolerated. So, top military types, active (though listed as
retired), knew what had to be done. The aldermen would be
targetted: frame-ups, acts to push them into jail. The federal
judges and prosecutors would "do their duty". If not *that*,
well, then murder.
But Harold was an intellectual and clever. You couldn't set *him*
up with a small sum and a peephole camera. So, the secret team
made their report: frame-ups and murder, justified in the name of
preserving "national security". The generals did their duty.
Some of the team disagreed, however. And so, an independent
journalist was shown the report. He didn't have to wait 30 years.
In Chicago, see us on cable tv, channel 21, 9 pm [cst] most
Monday evenings.
Play it again: "Chicago as the Center of the Corrupt World".
(312) 731-1505.
New message Thursday; we change it several times a week.
Donations appreciated. Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the
Courts, 9800 South Oglesby, Chicago, [Illinois] 60617. For the
latest on courts, banks, espionage agencies, political
assassinations, and the news media. On 24 hours a day.
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[CN Editor -- I cannot vouch for the accuracy of *all* of the
following. It may or may not be true, I just don't know. However
I consider Skolnick to be an honest and careful investigator.]
[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put
out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up
the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]
Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts,
9800 South Oglesby.
What happens to judges who are independent-minded and *defy* the
establishment? Well sometimes they are simply murdered!
Some examples:
In 1969, James Earl Ray (real name, Ryan) was pressured by his
lawyers to plead guilty to killing Dr. Martin Luther King, jr.
Ray's lawyers have promised him a lot of things, including large
sums of money through the sale of a book. Later, Ray wrote to
Memphis judge Preston Battle and requested permission to withdraw
his guilty plea and stand trial, which would have opened up the
whole conspiracy, including the mystery man, Raoul.
Under Tennessee law, it would have been *only* Judge Battle, as
the sentencing judge, who would grant such a review. As he was
considering the case, Judge Battle was found dead, laying over
Ray's petition! Supposedly, "heart failure"! (We call *that* a
"CIA heart attack".)
Ray spent *years* winding around the courts, trying to get a
*trial*! Finally, in 1976, a three-judge federal appeals court
panel was hearing the case. During the oral argument, federal
appellate judge William E. Miller said *he* was in favor of
forcing state authorities to re-open the Ray case. As he was
later working on the decision, Judge Miller died -- supposedly a
"heart attack". Then the other two judges issued a written
opinion of the court rejecting Ray's appeal! They said Judge
Miller, by then dead, had agreed with them before he died; we
have only their word for it.
We believe both Judge Battle and Judge Miller were murdered at
crucial points in the Ray case.
The Patty Hearst case went up for grabs because the trial judge,
Oliver J. Carter, died of an alleged "heart attack" just before
passing final sentence. Kept out of the trial was documentation
showing the involvement of the CIA with the so-called "Symbionese
Liberation Army", interwoven in the case. Instrumental in the
cover-up were stories of *Chicago Tribune* reporter Ron
Cosio(sp?), *linked* to the federal spy network.
Then there are some more recent examples of how judges were
silenced.
Federal district judge Robert Aguilar of San Jose, California, is
about the only Hispanic federal judge in the nation. In a case
involving brutality against minorities, he ruled that the FBI and
the Immigration Service are the American gestapo and act like the
Nazis. When we heard his outspoken decision, we said to
ourselves, "Oh-oh. They're gonna shut him up by frame-up or
political assassination!" Sure enough, shortly after, he was
indicted on a series of frame-ups. He apparently is on the way to
jail.
Nevada federal district judge Harry Claybourne(sp?) publicly
pronounced that the Justice Department's strike force there
operates like the gangsters and you can't tell one from the
other. Claybourne was removed from the bench by a federal frame-
up and a rigged impeachment in Congress.
Federal district judge Al C. Hastings of Florida, a black, was a
strong voice for Constitutional rights and vigorously opposed the
FBI -- the American gestapo. He was one of the *few* black
federal judges. Through a slanted Congress and the whores of the
press, Judge Hastings was removed by impeachment by the Senate.
In Chicago, most of the federal judges here are *multi*, multi-
millionaires -- bankers and speculators.
[Addendum:] Through heroic efforts, Judge Aguilar was able to
beat the rap. [CN -- see above, re: Judge Aguilar]
And what can you do? Well, call up your favorite news-fakers,
whether in broadcasting or in the print media and tell them to
stop kidding us about the death of judges and about the murder of
reporters. [CN -- e.g. write to realitycheck@cbsnews.com]
In Chicago, see us on cable tv, channel 21, 9 pm [cst] most
Monday evenings.
Play it again: "Chicago as the Center of the Corrupt World".
(312) 731-1505.
New message Saturday; we change it several times a week.
Donations appreciated. Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the
Courts, 9800 South Oglesby, Chicago, [Illinois] 60617. For the
latest on courts, banks, espionage agencies, political
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Hi Brian,
I talked with Sherman on Friday(3/24). He is just a wealth of
information! I sure wish he would write a book. But he needs to
upgrade to today's technology in a bad way! I've included the
conversation with him in this note to you.
------------------------ post begins here ---------------------------
The following is a summary of a conversation with Sherman
Skolnick on March 24, 1995. I do not necessarily agree nor
disagree with the following statements. I didn't have him on the
recorder so I just made notes on a piece of paper and tried to
keep up with him.
Here's most of what he said in summary form:
* I asked him about Ross Perot and what Perot's connections are
to Bush, et al. He said there are 2 issues concerning Ross Perot:
1) Corruption - Ross Perot secured the contract for the Medicare
computer system by buying corruptable officials. This is where
Perot generated much of his money.
2) Intelligence - Perot's people who he supposedly "rescued" were
performing intelligence gathering for the Iranian government about
the Iranian people. He bribed Irainian officials to the tune of
6 to 8 million dollars to get them back. The book he published and
the subsequent show on 60 minutes or whatever T.V. show it was,
was a farce.
Note: According to Mr. Skolnick, if Ross Perot were to draw too much of
the popular vote, he would have been done away with. They will not let
that happen because then it gets down to a vote in Congress and there
would be a political free for all. Sherman contends that George Wallace
was shot for that very reason and because he thought that the
Rockefeller Foundation should not be allowed to continue as a
tax-exempt organization.
In other words, the Perot connection to Bush is one via the intelligence
community. What a shock! (tongue firmly planted in cheek)
* He gave me titles of some very interesting books to read. They are:
- "Who's Who in the CIA", published in 1968 in East Berlin. This is
somewhat dated information, but some of it is still relevant if you
can find a copy.
- "Farewell, America", published in 1968 in the U.K. and can be
obtained via Canada from a bookstore called, The Last Hurrah
Bookstore, 937 Memorial Avenue, Williams Port, PA 17701.
Ph. 717.327.9338 COD, money orders, VISA, M/C accepted. Hardcover,
nearly 400 pages. Cost: $27 plus shipping and handling. This book has
been banned in the U.S. and still must be obtained through difficult
means. It is about the Kennedy assassination. I asked Sherman, in his
opinion how accurate he thought it was, his reply: "100% accurate".
Grab your copies while they last!
- "Nomenclature of Assassination"(the Torbitt document). Written by
a lawyer who defended sniper cases in the U.S. He goes by the pen
name of Torbitt. This is referenced in "Farewell, America" in the
index.
- "The Mafia, CIA and George Bush" by Pete Brewton. The title says it
all.
* According to his sources the bomb is ready to drop on Clinton
and Hillary mainly concerning Vince Foster's death. Whoever sets
"the agenda" wants to time it with the Dow when it reaches 4200.
I asked him why 4200? He said it was just an arbitrary number and
that there probably will be a lot of these people with short
positions in various companies. Take heed, those in the "long
market". We will see.
* The Oliver Stone movie, "JFK" was mainly funded by the
Rothschilds to the tune of about $42 million. Apparently there is
a about 6 minutes or so of the movie available in the "director's
edition" which was cut from the one released in the theater. Mr.
Skolnick said it contained "sensitive" information but to bear in
mind where the funding came from.
* Apparently when Bush first became the head of the CIA under
Nixon, he was brought in under the guise that they needed "new
blood" who could put a fresh face on the agency and raise morale.
The reality is, that Bush has been involved with the CIA since
the 50's. He was CEO of Zapata Oil which later became Zapata
Petroleum and then eventually merged with Pennzoil. This was made
evident by an obituary printed March 1, 1991 in the Chicago
Tribune, it refered to, "George Bush and his partner William
Liedtke Jr. and the Liedtke brother." It said, "in the mid
50's[the Liedtke brothers] teamed up with George Bush and John
Overbee to form Zapata Petroleum Company. Then they went on to
form Pennzoil."
According to a copy of an FBI document Sherman has supplied to
me, George Bush was involved with the CIA, at least, as early on
as, the Kennedy assassination.
I have included a transciption of this document, for your reading
pleasure, below:
-------------------- letter starts here -----------------------------
1 - Rosen
1 - Liaison
1 - Nasca
Date: November 29, 1963
To: Director
Bureau of Intelligence and Research
Department of State
From: John Edgar Hoover, Director
Subject:ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
NOVEMBER 22, 1963
Our Miami, Florida, Office on November 23, 1963, advised
that the Office of Coordinator of Cuban Affairs in Miami advised
that the Department of State feels some misguided anti-Castro
group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an
unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination
of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in U.S. policy,
which is not true.
Our sources and informants familiar with Cuban matters in
the Miami area advise that the general feeling in the anti-Castro
Cuban community is one of stunned disbelief and, even among those
who did not entirely agree with the President's policy concerning
Cuba, the feeling is that the President's death represents a great
loss not only to the U.S. but to all of Latin America. These
sources knew of no plans for unauthorized action against Cuba.
An informant who has furnished reliable information in
the past and who is close to a small pro-Castro group in Miami
has advised that these individuals are afraid that the assassination
of the President may result in strong repressive measures being
taken against them and, although pro-Castro in their feelings,
regret the assassination.
The substance of the forgoing information was orally
furnished to us by, George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and
Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on
November 23, 1963, by Mr. W.T. Forsyth of this Bureau.
1 - Director of Naval Intelligence
VHN:gci (12)
----------------------- letter ends here ----------------------------
Of course, the "Bureau" denies that this is the same George Bush
as the one we all know as the former President of the U.S. You be
the judge.
Two of the ships sitting in the waters off Cuba during either the
Cuban Missle Crisis or Bay of Pigs (I don't recall which one)
were named, "Zapata" (Bush's oil company) and "Houston", the
residence of Bush at that time. Coincidence? I think not.
That's all for now. More to come at a later date.
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======================================
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-----------------------------------------------------------------
My thanks to a CN reader for sending me the following. (Note that
I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with either all or
portions of the following.)
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Hi Brian,
I talked with Sherman on Friday(3/24). He is just a wealth of
information! I sure wish he would write a book. But he needs to
upgrade to today's technology in a bad way! I've included the
conversation with him in this note to you.
------------------------ post begins here ---------------------------
The following is a summary of a conversation with Sherman
Skolnick on March 24, 1995. I do not necessarily agree nor
disagree with the following statements. I didn't have him on the
recorder so I just made notes on a piece of paper and tried to
keep up with him.
Here's most of what he said in summary form:
* I asked him about Ross Perot and what Perot's connections are
to Bush, et al. He said there are 2 issues concerning Ross Perot:
1) Corruption - Ross Perot secured the contract for the Medicare
computer system by buying corruptable officials. This is where
Perot generated much of his money.
2) Intelligence - Perot's people who he supposedly "rescued" were
performing intelligence gathering for the Iranian government about
the Iranian people. He bribed Irainian officials to the tune of
6 to 8 million dollars to get them back. The book he published and
the subsequent show on 60 minutes or whatever T.V. show it was,
was a farce.
Note: According to Mr. Skolnick, if Ross Perot were to draw too much of
the popular vote, he would have been done away with. They will not let
that happen because then it gets down to a vote in Congress and there
would be a political free for all. Sherman contends that George Wallace
was shot for that very reason and because he thought that the
Rockefeller Foundation should not be allowed to continue as a
tax-exempt organization.
In other words, the Perot connection to Bush is one via the intelligence
community. What a shock! (tongue firmly planted in cheek)
* He gave me titles of some very interesting books to read. They are:
- "Who's Who in the CIA", published in 1968 in East Berlin. This is
somewhat dated information, but some of it is still relevant if you
can find a copy.
- "Farewell, America", published in 1968 in the U.K. and can be
obtained via Canada from a bookstore called, The Last Hurrah
Bookstore, 937 Memorial Avenue, Williams Port, PA 17701.
Ph. 717.327.9338 COD, money orders, VISA, M/C accepted. Hardcover,
nearly 400 pages. Cost: $27 plus shipping and handling. This book has
been banned in the U.S. and still must be obtained through difficult
means. It is about the Kennedy assassination. I asked Sherman, in his
opinion how accurate he thought it was, his reply: "100% accurate".
Grab your copies while they last!
- "Nomenclature of Assassination"(the Torbitt document). Written by
a lawyer who defended sniper cases in the U.S. He goes by the pen
name of Torbitt. This is referenced in "Farewell, America" in the
index.
- "The Mafia, CIA and George Bush" by Pete Brewton. The title says it
all.
* According to his sources the bomb is ready to drop on Clinton
and Hillary mainly concerning Vince Foster's death. Whoever sets
"the agenda" wants to time it with the Dow when it reaches 4200.
I asked him why 4200? He said it was just an arbitrary number and
that there probably will be a lot of these people with short
positions in various companies. Take heed, those in the "long
market". We will see.
* The Oliver Stone movie, "JFK" was mainly funded by the
Rothschilds to the tune of about $42 million. Apparently there is
a about 6 minutes or so of the movie available in the "director's
edition" which was cut from the one released in the theater. Mr.
Skolnick said it contained "sensitive" information but to bear in
mind where the funding came from.
* Apparently when Bush first became the head of the CIA under
Nixon, he was brought in under the guise that they needed "new
blood" who could put a fresh face on the agency and raise morale.
The reality is, that Bush has been involved with the CIA since
the 50's. He was CEO of Zapata Oil which later became Zapata
Petroleum and then eventually merged with Pennzoil. This was made
evident by an obituary printed March 1, 1991 in the Chicago
Tribune, it refered to, "George Bush and his partner William
Liedtke Jr. and the Liedtke brother." It said, "in the mid
50's[the Liedtke brothers] teamed up with George Bush and John
Overbee to form Zapata Petroleum Company. Then they went on to
form Pennzoil."
According to a copy of an FBI document Sherman has supplied to
me, George Bush was involved with the CIA, at least, as early on
as, the Kennedy assassination.
I have included a transciption of this document, for your reading
pleasure, below:
-------------------- letter starts here -----------------------------
1 - Rosen
1 - Liaison
1 - Nasca
Date: November 29, 1963
To: Director
Bureau of Intelligence and Research
Department of State
From: John Edgar Hoover, Director
Subject:ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
NOVEMBER 22, 1963
Our Miami, Florida, Office on November 23, 1963, advised
that the Office of Coordinator of Cuban Affairs in Miami advised
that the Department of State feels some misguided anti-Castro
group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an
unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination
of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in U.S. policy,
which is not true.
Our sources and informants familiar with Cuban matters in
the Miami area advise that the general feeling in the anti-Castro
Cuban community is one of stunned disbelief and, even among those
who did not entirely agree with the President's policy concerning
Cuba, the feeling is that the President's death represents a great
loss not only to the U.S. but to all of Latin America. These
sources knew of no plans for unauthorized action against Cuba.
An informant who has furnished reliable information in
the past and who is close to a small pro-Castro group in Miami
has advised that these individuals are afraid that the assassination
of the President may result in strong repressive measures being
taken against them and, although pro-Castro in their feelings,
regret the assassination.
The substance of the forgoing information was orally
furnished to us by, George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and
Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on
November 23, 1963, by Mr. W.T. Forsyth of this Bureau.
1 - Director of Naval Intelligence
VHN:gci (12)
----------------------- letter ends here ----------------------------
Of course, the "Bureau" denies that this is the same George Bush
as the one we all know as the former President of the U.S. You be
the judge.
Two of the ships sitting in the waters off Cuba during either the
Cuban Missle Crisis or Bay of Pigs (I don't recall which one)
were named, "Zapata" (Bush's oil company) and "Houston", the
residence of Bush at that time. Coincidence? I think not.
That's all for now. More to come at a later date.
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 27, 1995
On March 27, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone.
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
-- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
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CONSPIRACY NATION:
You were a reporter in the, for some newspaper, in the 1960s,
right?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
No!?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I never worked for anybody.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. I thought maybe that you had worked for *Chicago Today* or
somethin' like that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
But you were an independent journalist then?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I'm a free-lance journalist -- whatever. I never worked for
anybody.
Our group has, the Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts,
has been going since 1963. And, as part of *our* work, I call
myself a free-lance journalist. But nobody gets paid, and I'm not
workin' for anybody.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
All right, did you cover the 1968 Democratic Convention at all?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh... I *investigated* it, because of the riots and the fact that
I found out that Rennie Davis and others who became what is known
as the "Chicago 7" received hundreds of thousands of dollars from
foundations connected to CIA.
I later wrote a report about it, and I circulated it around.
[coughs] I think I sent you a copy, didn't I?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, you did.
It sounds like you got the flu or somethin', right?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No. Early morning... [laughs] when I'm up too late, sometimes.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
Let me run this by you, okay? Just as a theory of what possibly
happened there:
They wanted to get Nixon [elected], so basically, they sent in
people to disrupt that '68 Democratic Convention.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. And very active in the instigating of the commotions was
Naval Intelligence.
And a person that knew a lot about Military Intelligence admitted
things along these lines 10 years later -- 1978.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And you've got, say, documents and stuff on that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. We, we traced Rennie Davis' offices in Chicago to a
federally-owned building. And in 1972, I confronted him at a
television station during a live broadcast with him. And I was in
the studio audience, and I got up on my crutches and I started
walking toward him. And I started asking him about this
foundation money. Of course, he refused to answer. And the
moderator on the show refused to ask. And they sent in 18 police
to, to arrest me.
And that became a trial, and I brought up... During, during the
trial for "trespassing" on the television station's property, I
brought up about the CIA. In fact, I subpoenaed the Chicago
station chief of the CIA.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
What TV show was that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
It was on channel 44, which is a UHF station here.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. Do you recall who the moderator was?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh... Offhand, no. It was a woman. And I had her, I called her as
a witness, on the witness stand, about all this.
It was a mistrial, and as a result, they dropped the charges
against me. But they had had me in, under arrest for awhile.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
During that '68 convention, I have sort of memories of that, from
watchin' it on TV. And they had riots and all. And they brought
in federal troops, and tanks, to the streets of the city of
Chicago.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh, not tanks. Some uh, heavily motorized vehicles. I don't think
they had any tanks.
But the point is, it was to discredit the Democrats and put in
Nixon. That was the bottom line. And because there were other
commotions in '68, during the GOP [Republican] Convention there,
where people were actually killed, and they were played down. The
major thing that got worldwide publicity was the thing in Chicago
during the '68 Democratic Convention.
And I was a free-lance journalist for some friends at channel 44
during the '72 Republican Convention, where Rennie Davis likewise
led commotions. *There* I'm not sure *what* that was all about,
but Rennie Davis, at that time (that was 1972), was in with the
Secret Service! I tried to point that out, and nobody in the
press would really go into it.
And, by the way, in '72 there were more people rioting and
arrested than in the '68 commotions.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Goin' back to Rennie Davis, he later teamed up with somebody
called the "Guru Maharaj Ji" or somethin' like that.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. That was some kind of a publicity game.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right, so he wasn't authentic? I mean, he was, like, some 16-
year-old kid that was sayin' that he was God.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well he claimed to be a 15-year-old. And I almost got thrown out
of a big meeting where I pointed out that the "Guru Maharaj Ji"
was actually more like 31 years old.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs] O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Telling the truth costs! You get thrown out of meetings; you get
arrested; you get put in contempt of court. [laughs] I've been
through the whole [laughs], the whole gamut, in 37 years that
I've been active as, you know, a "free-lance commentator", shall
we say.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And goin' back to those riots in Chicago: there were,
federal troops *were* brought in, though.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well... National Guard. Yeah... I don't know if you want to call
those "federal troops". National Guard was brought in, you know.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
'Cuz my memory is -- although, this comes from... Abbie Hoffman
made a record called "Wake Up, America" which, it wasn't sold
popularly, but you could get it through the mail. And I remember
I used to listen to that sometimes, when I was younger. And he...
The way *he* told it, there was also federal troops with bayonets
and all this...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah that probably was true.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
By the way, I, in later years, confronted Abbie Hoffman (who was
*not* unfriendly to me) during the '72 commotions in Miami, at
the GOP Convention there. We had a van that we were drivin'
around in. And occasionally we would drive Abbie here and there.
And I showed him some of the documents that we wrote about: that
he got mysterious "travel permission", although he was under
criminal prosecution following the '68 riots.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, you talked about this, I think.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. And he would never answer, but instead told obscene jokes
that some of my friends had a good laugh at [laughs].
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, but I want to move on a little, because we had talked about
that, with Abbie Hoffman, before.
But what I'm gettin' at is...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Let me just put it, a summary to this: all these years after the
'68 riots, nobody has (other than us), has written an extensive
report of how the riots were a device to destroy the Democrats
and put in Nixon in '68.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
What I'm gettin' at, though, with, if there were federal troops
in the street in Chicago. Because people had said, with this Waco
thing, that this was the *first* time that U.S. federal troops
were used against civilians. But, when I heard that I thought,
"Well, it seems to me, in '68..."
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well I don't know what you mean by "U.S. federal troops". You
mean like U.S. Marshalls, federal agency agents? There were none
like that in Chicago in '68. You mean like BATF, FBI and so on,
in Waco? That *probably* was the first time.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I'm thinkin' more in terms of the Posse Comitatus Act, that says
that you can't use the armed forces against the civilians.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh... What are you getting at? In other words, that the Waco
thing was one of the first times they did it? It probably was.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
No. It was...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well if there were armed... I don't know if there were... Well,
the only thing in Waco that might have been armed forces (and I'm
not, I don't claim any expertise on it) were, possibly, the
military helicopters that were used, and the tanks. Although the
tanks were driven by ATF agents. So there weren't... uh, how
could I put it? There wasn't U.S. military in the tanks. In fact,
one of the tanks that knocked down the wall and may have caused
the fire and all that was driven by a Japanese-American agent of
the BATF. That has come out, in various things.
So in other words, those weren't... I don't think, at Waco, they
had U.S. military, in uniform, doing any of the things that
occurred there. They may have used military equipment. But the
military equipment, I believe, was being driven by so-called
"civilians".
[...to be continued...]
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 27, 1995
On March 27, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone.
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
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[...continued...]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. All I'm sayin' is that the claim had been made at the time
that this [Waco] was the *first* time that U.S. military had been
used against civilians. And *I* thought, well in the '68
Democratic riots, the U.S. military...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. Right. They used military, right. They used national guard
and others.
Well no, they've used military, in -- what was it? 1961? During
the commotions at a university in Mississippi regarding
integration? They brought in, I think they brought in uh,
federalized the national guard or something?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah and also the "Bonus Army", if you remember back in, say...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
1931, right?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. They used federal troops. Somebody -- I think John DiNardo,
somebody on the Internet -- pointed that out to me also.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. Yeah. So, it's been done in the past.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, okay. That's basically what I was gettin' at.
O.K. In December 4th of 1969, also in Chicago, the police and FBI
raided the Black Panther Party headquarters, on the west side...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh... That's not... You haven't got it correctly.
It was a unit, supposedly, of the state's attorney of Cook county
that did the raid. It wasn't *exactly* the police, and it was not
the FBI.
*And*, almost all of those that were in the team, that came in
with machine guns and killed Fred Hampton in his bed, were
connected to CIA. I know a lot about it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, then that's kind of what I wanted to get into a little bit
here, is that.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Because the same one that led the raid, Sergeant Daniel Groth,
was involved in an earlier incident, two-and-a-half weeks prior
to Dallas [i.e., circa November 1963], where they stopped a team
of assassinations that planned to kill JFK in Chicago at a
football game if he came here. Same Daniel Groth.
Daniel Groth is a... I had a discussion with him one time. And he
told me that, for the sake of his son, if I would stop talking
about what I know about him. And I told him, "The news is the
news." I can't help if family members of his are troubled or
threatened because I uncover things about his connection to CIA.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Well you know, it's also debatable if, say, his son or any of his
family are responsible for *his* actions. I mean, what *he* did
is what *he* did.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Oh I didn't say that they were responsible. But he told me to lay
off of it one time I happened to run into him in a restaurant in
Chicago. And, he sat at my table and talked to me and tried to
persuade me to stop talkin' about these things. Because it was
causing him, his family, a great deal of trouble.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, and they had a grand jury investigation of that raid. And
I, for some reason, actually went to Chicago at the time (I think
I was about 16 at the time) and got, bought a copy of it. And I
still have that report. And it seems that they...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh they didn't indict anyone. And they... It was sort of a
watered-down criticism of what happened.
The media here falsely reported the thing. Such as channel 2 in
Chicago (WBBM-TV, a CBS affiliate) went on the air thereafter
and, supposedly, re-created what happened there with a, you know,
with a model, on the air? A model of the apartment. And they
falsely stated that Fred Hampton's people, who were all asleep
actually, were shooting at the police and therefore the police
were justified. It was entirely a fraud by channel 2.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. But as far as the final report of that grand jury, you're
sayin' it was kind of like a "limited hangout" {1} kind of a
thing. That they...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. Their report wasn't too good.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay -- although *I* was impressed that they at least, in that
report, came out with the basic truth: that...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
But what the, much better evidence was a trial that went on. It
was one of the longest civil trials, I think, in American
history. It was *Bill* Hampton and his mother, that is, the
brother and the mother of Fred Hampton, versus the various people
involved in the situation -- Daniel Groth and others. They were
on trial for I don't know how many months.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
It was a civil suit though, right?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. And it's, it's published in the law books. Hampton
versus... whatever. It's... And the, I believe the jury verdict
was upheld on appeal, too.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Well the way I understand it, they were awarded millions of
dollars on that.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
So they won their case.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. In other words, better evidence came out *there* than by
way of any so-called "grand jury report".
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, okay.
As far as the Black Panthers go, is it your opinion that they're
really a grass-root organization? Or did, were they gettin', say,
hidden funds from anyone?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh... not in Chicago. But some of the original people later got
into things that appear to be CIA -- including Eldridge Cleaver.
In fact, Cleaver's wife once made a speech, in Denver, in so many
words admitting that her husband had become friendly to CIA
because of Cleaver's wife's father, who was a very important
person in an agency connected to CIA, the AID [Agency for
International Development], I believe it is. Which is a similar
group.
In other words, in third-world countries, the CIA operated as the
Agency for International Development, or whatever they call it.
And Cleaver's wife's father was big with that. In fact, that came
out when his father-in-law died, in his obituary.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And what about claims of, say, the Communist Party funding some
of... say, not the Panthers, but there's been some claims that
Dr. Martin Luther King was receivin' money from the Communist
Party?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Naw... That was an ultra-right wing thing. He once, as a
spectator or observer, went to a seminar of the, uh... a
communist group. But he was not a communist.
I mean, it's just like some of us free-lance journalists
occasionally go to a convention of the "CP-USA" [i.e., Communist
Party - USA]. No other journalists are there. I mean, so somebody
could point at me and call me a communist (which I'm not) simply
because I went as a journalist to observe what's goin' on!?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, but I'm thinking more in terms of, say, that Dr. King,
originally, was grass-roots, began to have some effect on waking
people up, and at *that* point, the Communist Party...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well... No, he wasn't grass-roots. He was heavily arranged and
funded by groups connected to the Kennedy family, who, after his
death, helped set up one or more foundations that finance his
widow and children.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, and are you familiar with the recent dispute they're havin'
down there, about the museum?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. Yeah, I read about it. But those are all issues that I
don't claim any special knowledge about.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, okay.
You, in a prior interview, you mentioned that you had taught a
class on, kind of, "tricks of the trade" for unearthing
information.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, I taught a class at Columbia College, which is a broadcast
school, in Chicago. It's sort of a technical school; they teach
photography, video... stuff like that. And I used to teach a
course called "Civic Investigation". And I would teach... Part of
that course was how to research and investigate foundation tax
returns, which are a little-known public record. They're the only
income tax that you have a right to look at. And that's, IRS form
990-AR -- foundation tax returns.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, so that would be one of the "tricks of the trade": that you
go to the IRS and you...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh, no, you have to... No. Well you can write the district
director of the IRS. Or, in most big cities, they have a group
called "Donor's Forum". And they have the foundation tax returns
for foundations operating in that district.
And what *we* did, is compared various levels of the tax returns
and then traced them back to other foundations that had already
been identified as being part of CIA.
And through that means, we caused a controversy with what people
used to call the "American Civil Liberties Union" [ACLU]. But the
ACLU does not, as an entity, exist anymore. They were taken over
completely, in 1967, by another group called the Roger Baldwin
Foundation, which is connected to CIA and continues to operate
what people *used* to call the ACLU. That's operated that way,
right up to this date! And every time I've brought it up... I've
brought it up at meetings of the Roger Baldwin Foundation and uh,
one meeting in particular, they suspended the meeting and never
resumed it! Because they wouldn't answer my questions.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, I'm kind of wantin' to pin down some of the "tricks of the
trade" for unearthing information. You know, you talk about the
Donor's Forum, and uh...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, what came out during the CIA foundation scandal of 1967,
published in the *Washington Post* and the *New York Times*, was
that the CIA funded certain groups through three levels of
financing. The three levels are, conduits, fronts [phone rings],
and uh...
Hold on [answers other phone].
[...to be continued...]
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{1} "Limited hangout". I can't find a precise definition for this
term at the moment, so here is how I explain it. "Limited
hangout" means telling *some* of the truth so that seekers will
be deflected from the whole truth. For example, when Clinton was
asked if he had ever smoked marijuana he replied that he had
puffed but had never inhaled. Clinton was offering a limited
hangout, in which he told only *some* of the truth. In relation
to the *Report of the January 1970 Grand Jury*, they apparently
just offered a limited account of the whole truth of what
happened at about 4:45 a.m. on December 4, 1969.
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 27, 1995
On March 27, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone.
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
-- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
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[...continued...]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK [continues]:
...levels of foundations used to finance it. They have technical
terms. One of the terms has got a common understanding. Uh...
conduits, pass-throughs, and fronts. The "front" is the one that
is actually *in* front, that is, the ultimate.
But what *we* did is develop methods, by getting all these
foundation tax returns and tracing 'em back to the ones that are
*known* to be in with CIA. And I could prove that the foundations
that financed Rennie Davis were CIA... I have those foundations'
tax returns.
And likewise, the Roger Baldwin Foundation. What they did is,
they used different names. For example, it's "The Roger Baldwin
Foundation of ACLU", or "The ACLU Foundation of Roger Baldwin".
The American Civil Liberties [Union], as such, does not
technically exist after 1967.
And top officials of CIA sit on the board of overseers of the
Roger Baldwin Foundation in New York.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And the Baldwin Foundation also gives money to *The Nation*, as
you had said before?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, liberal publications. Right.
Now they *do* publish some interesting things about CIA in South
America. But it's very doubtful that the, *The Nation* magazine,
would ever publish anything *really* that bothers the CIA on a
domestic basis, in the United States.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right, I wanted to read a paragraph sort of "into the record"
here that supports what you've been sayin' about that. It's from
a book you had recommended, called *Wall Street and the Bolshevik
Revolution* by Antony C. Sutton [New Rochelle, NY: Arlington
House Publishers, 1974].
One hypothesis that fits other evidence concerning Wall
Street and the Bolshevik Revolution is that John Reed was in
effect an agent of the Morgan interests -- perhaps only half
aware of his double role -- that his anticapitalist writing
maintained the valuable myth that *all* capitalists are in
perpetual warfare with all socialist revolutionaries. Carroll
Quigley, as we have already noted, reported that the Morgan
interests financially supported domestic revolutionary
organizations and anticapitalist writings. [pp. 143-144, my
copy]
I just wanted to read that in...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well Carroll Quigley's the one that wrote that...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
*Tragedy and Hope*.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. A book that is more or less suppressed. And he was
Clinton's mentor and teacher.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Because Clinton had taken a class from him, or something,
at Georgetown. And had also...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well Georgetown University is the academic home of the CIA.
Anyone that disputes that is just, you know, kidding around.
*That* and the Foreign Service School, that's CIA. That's where
they train 'em.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. I wanted to get to somethin' too, here. In one of your
recent recorded messages, you mentioned "case C 1992 7358". How
would somebody track that down?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
What was that again?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
"Case C 1992 7358". If somebody wanted to...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well no, you got it backwards. It's usually the year first, then
there's an initial, "C", in the middle, and then the number
[i.e., "1992 C 7358"].
That would be a U.S. Court of Appeals... pardon me -- a file in
the U.S. District Court in Chicago. The "C" stands for "Civil".
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, and so they'd have to go to the U.S. District Court in
Chicago and...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
If it's a case that is still open, or just recently closed within
the last year or two, the files would be in the Dirksen Federal
Building, 219 South Dearborn, Chicago. If it's a case that's been
closed for several years, it's in the Federal Court Archives on
75th and Pulaski.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, but say if somebody wanted to check that out: they'd
have to basically come to Chicago? Or could they do that through
some other outlet nationwide?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I... no. Oh yeah... Yeah, I see what you're getting at. *Some*
*cases*, in the last few years (not every one), are reported in
the computer system LEXUS/NEXUS. Or Westlaw. And occasionally,
outsiders can check that through a law school computer -- or, if
you've got a law student friend of yours. And on a limited basis,
you can also get use of it through the Cook County Law Library --
you know, not as much as a law school or law office, but... 'Cuz
the service is quite expensive.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And so basically they would just have to... Let's say, for me, my
best bet would probably [be] just say, go to the Dirksen Building
and just make inquiries, that you...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, the 20th floor is the Clerk of the District Court.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And they're not gonna say somethin' like, "Only members of
the Bar are allowed to look at this," or...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well those are public records. They're court records; they're
public records.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. We had talked before about this thing of the 50-year pact
between the Vatican and the West that started...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, it expired, more or less, in '93. Right. And a lot of the
things that have happened just before and just after '93, you
could make out a good argument that they're in some way the,
the...
The Vatican is one of the great "silent giants" of the world.
They don't usually... Uh, it's only rarely that they demonstrate
their power. But the Vatican is the largest intelligence
organization in the history of the world. Because your local
Catholic priest is obligated to funnel information up to the
hierarchy, and from there, back to the Pope.
*And*, the super-secret organization called *Opus Dei* now has
their headquarters in Chicago. It's odd, but the *Tribune*, in
'91, had a story about this super-secret Catholic group. It
called them "highly secret". And it says they opened up their
headquarters for, like, North America, in an abandoned Catholic
church in Chicago.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And the way that I understand *Opus Dei* is, one of their things
is they want to go back to a Latin Mass, and just basically go
back to a more conservative kind of point of view.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, they're a little bit like the Jesuits. They sort of,
historically, "hem in" the Pope. They're like, um (Geez. I don't
know exactly how to put it, 'cuz I'm not a Catholic church
expert.) But it's like, the Jesuits and *Opus Dei* sort of (How
could I put it?), they sort of *restrain* the Vatican. Or to keep
the Pope on a certain line.
If that sounds conspiratorial, it probably is! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You know, I've got a book from, that was popular in the last
century -- and I forget the name of it -- by somebody named Maria
Monk. And it's like kind of an expose, that she had... Somethin'
like *Awful Secrets of the Hotel Dieu Nunnery in Montreal*. It's
*really* shocking stuff! You know? Like...[*Awful Disclosures of
the Hotel Dieu Nunnery of Montreal* by Maria Monk. Originally
published in 1850. Reprints available from Arno Press Inc. and/or
Ayer Company, Salem, New Hampshire. Also try A-albionic, which
carries many hard to find books: write to James Daugherty at
jhdaugh@a-albionic.com]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well one of the great secrets of the Church is the secret hand
signals, where fellow priests can tell whether the other priest
is real. I did a story about that. I interviewed somebody from
the Catholic church hierarchy some years ago regarding some fake
priests that were floating around -- they were actually spies for
the FBI! And they admitted that there are some fake ones around,
but they weren't prepared to do anything about it.
But the way the other priests know if another priest is real is
certain secret hand signals, in their prayers and so on, that
they become privy to when they're ordained. And of course,
they're never divulged to anyone else.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. My thing though, with this book from the last century, is
that there used to be more of an awareness of how much power the
Catholic church has actually got.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The one that identified 'em as a vast conspiracy is the same one
that um, for which the Morse Code is named for: Samuel...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
*Yeah*! Yeah. And he wrote a book that I got, on conspiracies.
[*Foreign Conspiracy Against the Liberties of the United States*
by Samuel Finley Breese Morse. Originally published in 1835.
Reprint edition 1977 by Arno Press Inc. May be available from A-
albionic: contact James Daugherty, jhdaugh@a-albionic.com]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I think his full name is Samuel F. B. Morse or something.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I've got his book. And I forget the name of it.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. But it tells about world conspiracies. And it says one of
the *greatest* ones is the, the Vatican chain. In other words,
that they are *all* like, in an army, obligated to their "super
General" in the Vatican.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, it rings a bell. Because I remember I have that book, and I
had been readin'...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Notice how little information there is about the former head of
the Vatican Bank...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Marcinkus.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...Yeah... Paul Marcinkus, and the banks that he's connected with
*here*, that we've been investigating.
The woman that has been the press agent for Marcinkus' Chicago-
area bank, that is, the First National Bank of Cicero? That
woman, Judy Barr-Topinka, is now the elected State Treasurer of
Illinois!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I saw the show where you had her on. And you had...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Did you notice the way I confronted her?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah!! And the thing is, I remember how *she* came up with, she
immediately began defending the Bank of Cicero...
[...to be continued...]
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 27, 1995
On March 27, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone.
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
-- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
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[...continued...]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah well she's been their press agent. *And*, she's the cousin
of Marcinkus. She... Her family knocked off the last letter of
her name; her name is *Topinkas*. So she calls it "Topinka".
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right, but she's now, she got elected, didn't she?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In November, yeah! We had her on just prior to the election.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And she's what, State Treasurer now?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. She's very friendly and personable [laughs]. I don't know
what to say!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! She was.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
All through that interview, she wanted to lint-pick me on whether
she was the press agent or lobbyist for the American Medical
Association. She says... She picked some other title. She was
their lobbyist, press agent... whatever. Public Relations Chief
-- as well as for the bank. And the bank is now owned by Pinnacle
Banc Group, which is the alter ego of BCCI.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. But as far as Judy Barr-Topinkas, I give her credit...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Topinka.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
-- Oh yeah, Topinka -- I give her credit for even *goin'* on your
show. Because, you know, if I had anything to hide, I think the
last place I would go would be on your show. Just because, you
know, you don't pull any punches, it seems to me. I mean, you're
*nice* and everything...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well she's a friend of our moderator.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And so, she seemed like *a* *nice* *person*.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No, I tell ya what, why they go on our show. They got this
cynical view of the world, that if they can survive the pushing
and shoving that *we* give 'em, that they could survive any
opponent and get elected. In other words, we're the ones that
make the punching bag out of 'em. And they know that we got a
very large viewership in the Chicago area -- like a half a
million? And so, they feel... And we're about the only one-hour
show where they can really spout off their view. We let 'em talk
for about ten, fifteen minutes, and then I, we start in after 'em
[laughs]. You know? [laughs]
We've asked most of the candidates that were on our show during
'94, what are they gonna do about the CIA? None of 'em would
answer. The second question I asked 'em was (every candidate that
was on our show, all the way from the County Board President
election up to the ones runnin' for Governor), what would they do
about the problem, prevalent in the United States, where the
ultra rich pay no taxes *at* *all*? Nobody ever answers.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I noticed that, the one question that you seemed to keep asking
was, what are you gonna do about the CIA and the dope business?
And...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well Roland Burris answered in a joke: he says, "I'm gonna arrest
one of those, and bring him to your house!"
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs] Well, yeah. But I mean, in general they seemed like...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The guy that was running for the County Board on the GOP
[Republican] ticket, Joe Morris? I turned to him and I says, "You
know, you were the general counsel of the CIA pension fund."
And he looks at me, and he scratches his head.
I says, "Well were you or weren't you!?"
He says, "Yeah. I guess I was."
I said, "Well how does that qualify *you* to run for the County
Board President? What... Is that a CIA operation or somethin'!?"
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
[laughs] You know. [laughs] Most of 'em said that they can't do
anything about the dope and the CIA because "they're a local
affair."
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! They did that. And I also noticed that some of 'em did the
thing like, "What!? Are you saying...!? I'm gonna have to look
into..." You know, they feigned innocence. They feigned...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Oh there's been so many books published: Michael Levine, the
latest book by um, uh...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Professor Cory, or somethin' like that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh Professor... Oh geez. The one that wrote the book in '72, *The
Politics of Heroin*... Alfred McCoy! And he wrote an updated
version of it.
There's been so much documented about the CIA.
And then, a year ago or so, the *60 Minutes* program on CBS
network showed that the CIA was bringin' in *planeloads* from
Venezuela!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, I don't want to cut you off. Because some of the stuff we
covered already.
Goin' back to this thing of the 50-year pact between the Vatican
and the West...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
There's never, to my knowledge, been a story ever published about
it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. Because as far as what you say about people not bein' aware
of how much power the Vatican has: there's a group called "A-
albionic" -- I don't know if you've heard of...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, yeah. They wrote to me about, they want me to know... They
want to know what documents I have about this pact. None have
ever existed that have ever been, you know, published or... We're
the only ones, because we know people that got close up to the
problem, and talked to us.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, but they would support what you say about the power of the
Vatican. The way...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, they wrote to me a letter, recently. But they, you know,
they think we got pictures and documents or somethin'. Some of
these things are just from personal testimony of people that were
right at the problem, that talked to us, off-the-record. And I
never mention who they are, because they'd be in big trouble if I
started mentioning who-all I talk to.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, because they had... People send me e-mail, askin' me to ask
you questions about certain things. And they had asked me also to
ask you.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
They wanted to know the documents of the 50-year pact. Uh... It's
a secret, a bigger secret than the atomic bomb secret used to be.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
One of your commentaries talked about the *Tribune* had sicced
attack dogs on striking workers?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Oh yeah, that's been discussed. In the, what they call the
"Freedom Center". One night, when the shift was about to change,
they came in with hired "security guards" and attack dogs, and
got the workers removed from the machines.
That's... Why? Is that supposed to be unknown!?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
No, I just have that written down. I just... If you have anything
further on that.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
They broke the union, and they've got -- so far as I know --
they've got people running their presses and all that at half the
wages that they were. They used to get $16-and-somethin' an hour.
And they brought in scabs from the South at $8.50 an hour.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, that was just a minor point I wanted to touch on.
It seems to me you had mentioned that you had been looking into a
company called Archer Daniels Midland?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh... I'm tryin' to think, in what terms I may have mentioned it.
I don't know if I did a story about them. I don't think so.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
Okay, here's somethin' I wanted to just kind of enter into "the
record" here. It's a bit of a delicate subject, all right? But
it's...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Whatever.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, this is my hypothesis, okay? Because the media is totally
ignoring you, okay? And my hypothesis...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well one of the newspapers, for example, here... One of their
writers also wrote a book on a certain subject. And this writer
was gonna be on our television, our cable show. And they told
her... forbade her. In other words, she can go on somebody else's
show, but they forbade her to go on our show.
In other words, what you may be gettin' at is, although our show
is out-polling other television shows on Monday night at nine
o'clock, nobody that's a radio or TV critic, or a writer for any
in the mass media, the print media, will mention a single word,
that we exist at all.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, but what I'm getting to is that, for now they're ignoring
you. And this is my hypothesis that I wanted to get "on the
record" here: is that, at some... You're what? 65 years old now?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. Nobody lives forever. And at some point (my hypothesis is
that), you know, you're gonna pass on. And I think that, about
*five* *minutes* after they've got you buried -- all right? --
*then* the press will "discover" you. All right? And...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, for example, several years ago there was a report of a fire
on my street. So suddenly, channel 2 calls me up and says, "Is
that your house burning?"
And I says, "Hey! None of your wishful, cynical thinking. No. I'm
not on fire."
[...to be continued...]
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 27, 1995
On March 27, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone.
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
-- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
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[...continued...]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
But see... All right, two things: they're gonna re-"discover"
you, okay? And...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Oh, well one of the biggest clipping files of the past is on me:
with the *Tribune* and the *Sun-Times*. I was a media hero, up
until about '71. There was *loads* of things published about me:
about my voting cases that I brought and won; and the state
supreme court scandal, and stuff like that.
But when I began investigating the espionage agencies'
involvement with the media, I... They just "pressed a switch" and
I was off!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, I... We covered that before, okay? And, again, I don't
want... I kind of want to get to some new stuff.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I'm "the big bad wolf". [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
They all know me; talk to any political editor, they'll start
telling you what was on our show on Monday night. They watch it,
but they never write a single word, and they publicly wouldn't
admit a single word.
And that's because of the people I criticize. I criticize people
like Joel Weisman, that does a journalism show on channel 11
[PBS] on Saturday night. I've criticized some of the
"anchorfaces" on the media. I've gone into the CIA connections.
We did a whole show how channel 5 [NBC local affiliate] instigated
the [Chicago] Bulls riots in '93. And stuff like that.
They deeply and bitterly resent that. One of our commentaries
touched off a dope investigation of channel 5 when they used to
be over at the Merchandise Mart as their headquarters. They went
and grabbed some lowly, black technician, instead of arresting
one of the vice-presidents of the network that was in the dope-
trafficking.
They bitterly resent that, and they... I mean, after I'm gone,
they'll finally remember that...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, but you know *why*? *Then*, it'll be safe for them to
"discover" you. Because you'll be buried, all right? And then
they're gonna say, they're gonna say...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
[laughs] That's a very clever statement. I commend you. If I was
a CIA, I would give you the, the gold medal with no words on it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! Because you'll be *safe*! You know? I mean, it's not safe
for them to "discover" you *now*. But once you're gone and
buried, *then* they'll "discover" you...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, the other thing that caused them the most consternation is
my campaign to bring out the stuff that I investigated about the
strange death of Harold Washington. [other phone rings] Hold on.
[...pause...]
Go ahead.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
But... And the second part...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Should I be concerned? That, from their standpoint, I'm
"invisible"? That they dare not mention my name, at all, in the
popular press?
Should I be concerned?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
It's just a hypothesis, and I'm just putting it in "the record"
here, so to speak.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
While I'm still here, I'm "invisible".
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. And the thing is, that once they've got you buried, then
they're... You know what else they're gonna say? They're gonna
"discover" you, and number 2, they're gonna say, "He was wrong.
He was wrong about this." And you're not gonna be around to say,
"Oh, no. I dispute that." You know?
So this is just my theory: that they *will* "discover" you, after
you're dead and gone. They'll "discover" you, and they'll say
that you were wrong. And you're not gonna be around!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, like the *Daily News* (when they finally indicted federal
appeals judge Kerner, who was a former Governor of this state,
for bribery?)
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
They didn't mention me, until almost the last paragraph of the
story. And they put me down.
And yet all the reporters knew that all the stories that they had
been getting prior to that, about the possibility of Kerner being
prosecuted for bribery? That they were getting those stories from
me, off-the-record. 'Cuz I knew a lot about it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, you pretty much were responsible that that came to light,
from my understanding.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I went on a tour of colleges, speaking about it. I took all kind
of heat about it for 2 years, from '69 'til '71, 'til they
indicted him. *And*, for your information, I was the only one
that was *banned* from the trial. Both sides of the case, the
prosecutors and the defense attorneys, said, "This fellow,
Skolnick, in a wheelchair, shouldn't be allowed here. His face is
too well-known. It will prejudice the jury." So they had me
banned!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
Okay, I'm gonna just give ya one last question here. And...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I mean, are you tryin' to concern me that you want me to be
worried that the...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
No. You know why I bring that up? Because...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I don't mind being called a liar.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
No, I don't... Okay. As a matter of fact, let me go "on the
record": I think that you're honest, okay? I don't think you're
lying at all.
But what... See, I bring that up because, in the eventuality that
that happens, you know? That's *my* nightmare, okay? That in
five, ten, twenty years...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I'll appoint you as my official, um (uh, How am I gonna put
this?) -- you're gonna keep the record straight [laughs].
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. But I'm just sayin' that that's just like them, to wait
until you're safely "away". And then they're gonna suddenly
"discover" you and say, "Oh, he was wrong" -- when you're not
gonna be around to *challenge* them, okay? That's just... I just
want that...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I want to tell you something: I'm not infallible, *but*, every
one that I've accused of bribery, in 30 years, eventually went to
jail for bribery. No one ever apologized to me. (I don't *need*
an apology.)
Every one in the popular media here, in '88 -- late '87 and early
'88 -- called me a liar regarding the strange death of Harold
Washington. Somewhere down the road, I am gonna be vindicated.
But I... I'm not worried about it.
Did you hear our story the other day about that? The Harold
Washington thing?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. That went out; I put that out.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
That story, we originally did that story in '91. And a week after
we did a television show on that subject, the FBI suddenly
planted a story in the *Sun-Times* that they *knew* there was a
plot against Harold but were too busy to look into it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. We covered that before. What I have here, though, is one
final question, about voting. You know, say in '96, if they've
got, if it turns out "Gramm versus Clinton" -- just
hypothetically -- people might say, "Well why bother voting?" You
know, if it's a choice between...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I have tried to lead a boycott, an intelligent boycott, against
the voting procedure, since they don't allow "NOA" to run --
"None Of the Above".
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Not for apathy, [but] because I got a Constitutional principle
that I happen to know a lot about. And that is -- If the number
of people eligible to vote, that actually votes, falls below 25
percent (as it almost did when Reagan got elected; it was 26
percent), then I believe the "consent of the governed" has been
withdrawn, and that the social compact has been broken.
It's a profound principle. It would take a long time for me to
explain it.
But I infuriate people by urging a boycott of voting. Most people
say, "Well, then the 'bad guy' will get in."
Well, what I want to show is that the government, and the central
government in Washington, is being discredited. And were people
to -- not because of apathy or because it's raining on election
day, but because of an intelligent boycott of voting --
demonstrate that the central government in Washington has lost...
Well, like they do in England. In other words, you're voting down
the government.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, and that was Ralph Nader's idea, I think. Or maybe it was
your idea and he grabbed it -- one of the two. That they should
have...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Nader has an idea like that!?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! He was tryin' to get this thing, where you could vote for
"None of the above", on the ballot.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, no... Yeah... Yeah, okay.
But the point is, I go one step further.
And I have run commentaries, and I've caught a lot of brickbats
before election, by urging people *not* to vote. Why? Because
America is about one of the only more civilized countries that
does not allow third parties, generally. Third parties are
usually -- other than Perot -- are usually called "crackpots", or
they get no coverage in the press, and so on. And the only two
important third party candidates in recent memory: one of them,
they shot and put into a wheelchair -- George Wallace {1}. And
the other one really upset them, and that was Perot.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I got a report on that, okay? One of my readers called you (I
think, March 24th) and talked with you and wrote out his report
of this thing of Perot -- which I'm gonna be posting, all right?
[CN -- see CN 4.44] So just so that we don't cover ground twice
here.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
You know what I think about Perot: he's an "espionage darling".
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, okay.
And there was this book called *Votescam*.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I heard about it, but I haven't read it. Right. And with the
electronic way that they count votes -- yeah, you can cheat.
And the point is, they got a set-up though, that it's only "eeny"
or "meeny"; it's only either one of the establishment parties.
And they switch, from time to time. They says, "Oh, you're tired
of Republicans? Fine. We're gonna give you a Democrat."
But a third party candidate -- a real one -- in America is not
allowed.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right. So you're basically sayin' that...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Now remember: you're talking to someone that is a vote expert. I
won... Almost all of the voting reapportionment cases in Illinois
is "Skolnick versus Board of Election Commissioners". You look in
the law books and you'll see a *long* list of my cases.
In other words, the congressional districts, various districts,
the City Council Wards, were all re-done on the basis of me, as a
voter on behalf of all the voters, suing the election officials.
So I was not just any voter. And when I tell you that I urge
people to boycott elections, this is not just anybody sayin' it.
This is somebody that, I paid my dues; I was there and I fought
all the voting cases in the '60s and into the '70s.
-------------------------<< Notes >>-----------------------------
{1} Montgomery, Alabama (AP) -- Former Gov. George C. Wallace
asked President Clinton to reopen the federal investigation
into the assassination attempt 21 years ago that crippled
Wallace and ended his presidential aspirations.
Wallace said he doesn't believe the man who shot him was
acting alone.
[Excerpted from the June 29, 1993 Champaign-Urbana News-
Gazette]
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The following was excerpted from Howard Zinn's A PEOPLE'S
HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES (pgs 346-349), it is a true story.
"a telephone linesman going through the ruins of the
Ludlow tent colony ... found the charred, twisted bodies
of eleven children and two women. This became known as
the Ludlow Massacre."
The Ludlow Massacre
"... shortly after Woodrow Wilson took office there began in
Colorado one of the most bitter and violent struggles between
workers and corporate capital in the history of the country.
"This was the Colorado coal strike that began in September 1913
and culminated in the 'Ludlow Massacre' of April 1914. Eleven
thousand miners in southern Colorado ... worked for the
Colorado Fuel & Iron Corporation, which was owned by the
Rockefeller family. Aroused by the murder of one of their
organizers, they went on strike against low pay, dangerous
conditions, and feudal domination of their lives in towns
completely controlled by the mining companies. ...
"When the strike began, the miners were immediately evicted
from their shacks in the mining towns. Aided by the United
Mine Workers Union, they set up tents in the nearby hills and
carried on the strike, the picketing, from these tent colonies.
The gunmen hired by the Rockefeller interests -- the Baldwin-
Felts Detective Agency -- using Gatling guns and rifles, raided
the tent colonies. The death list of miners grew, but they
hung on, drove back an armored train in a gun battle, fought to
keep out strikebreakers. With the miners resisting, refusing
to give in, the mines not able to operate, the Colorado
governor (referred to by a Rockefeller mine manager as 'our
little cowboy governor') called out the National Guard, with
the Rockefellers supplying the Guard's wages.
"The miners at first thought the Guard was sent to protect
them, and greeted its arrival with flags and cheers. They soon
found out the Guard was there to destroy the strike. The Guard
brought strikebreakers in under cover of night, not telling
them there was a strike. Guardsmen beat miners, arrested them
by the hundreds, rode down with their horses parades of women
in the streets of Trinidad, the central town in the area. And
still the miners refused to give in. When they lasted through
the cold winter of 1913-1914, it became clear that
extraordinary measures would be needed to break the strike.
"In April 1914, two National Guard companies were stationed in
the hills overlooking the largest tent colony of strikers, the
one at Ludlow, housing a thousand men, women, children. On the
morning of April 20, a machine gun attack began on the tents.
The miners fired back. Their leader, ..., was lured up into
the hills to discuss a truce, then shot to death by a company
of National Guardsmen. The women and children dug pits beneath
the tents to escape the gunfire. At dusk, the Guard moved down
from the hills with torches, set fire to the tents, and the
families fled into the hills; thirteen people were killed by
gunfire.
"The following day, a telephone linesman going through the
ruins of the Ludlow tent colony lifted an iron cot covering a
pit in one of the tents and found the charred, twisted bodies
of eleven children and two women. This became known as the
Ludlow Massacre.
"The news spread quickly over the country. In Denver, the
United Mine Workers issued a 'Call to Arms' -- 'Gather together
for defensive purposes all arms and ammunition legally
available.' Three hundred armed strikers marched from other
tent colonies into the Ludlow area, cut telephone and telegraph
wires, and prepared for battle. Railroad workers refused to
take soldiers from Trinidad to Ludlow. At Colorado Springs,
three hundred union miners walked off their jobs and headed for
the Trinidad district, carrying revolvers, rifles, shotguns.
"In Trinidad itself, miners attended a funeral service for the
twenty-six dead at Ludlow, then walked from the funeral to a
nearby building, where arms were stacked for them. They picked
up rifles and moved into the hills, destroying mines, killing
mine guards, exploding mine shafts. The press reported that
'the hills in every direction seem suddenly to be alive with
men.'
"In Denver, eighty-two soldiers in a company on a troop train
headed for Trinidad refused to go. The press reported: 'The
men declared they would not engage in the shooting of women and
children. They hissed the 350 men who did start and shouted
imprecations at them.
"Five thousand people demonstrated in the rain on the lawn in
front of the state capital at Denver asking that the National
Guard officers at Ludlow be tried for murder, denouncing the
governor as an accessory. The Denver Cigar Makers Union voted
to send five hundred armed men to Ludlow and Trinidad. Women
in the United Garment Workers Union in Denver announced four
hundred of their members had volunteered as nurses to help the
strikers.
"All over the country there were meetings, demonstrations.
Pickets marched in front of the Rockefeller office at 26
Broadway, New York City. A minister protested in front of the
church where Rockefeller sometimes gave sermons, and was
clubbed by the police.
"The New York Times carried an editorial on the events in
Colorado, which were not attracting international attention.
The Times emphasis was not on the atrocity that had occurred,
but on the mistake in tactics that had been made. Its
editorial on the Ludlow Massacre began: 'Somebody blundered ...'
Two days later, with the miners armed and in the hills of
the mine district, the Times wrote: 'With the deadliest weapons
of civilization in the hands of savage-mined men, there can be
no telling to what lengths the war in Colorado will go unless
it is quelled by force ... The President should turn his
attention from Mexico long enough to take stern measures in
Colorado.'
"The governor of Colorado ask for federal troops to restore
order, and Woodrow Wilson complied. This accomplished, the
strike petered out. Congressional committees came in and took
thousands of pages of testimony. The union had not won
recognition. Sixty-six men, women, and children had been
killed. Not one militiaman or mine guard had been indicted for
crime.
[...]
"The Times had referred to Mexico. On the morning that the
bodies were discovered in the tent pit at Ludlow, American
warships were attacking Vera Cruz, a city on the coast of
Mexico--bombarding it, occupying it, leaving a hundred Mexicans
dead--because Mexico had arrested American sailors and refused
to apologize to the United States with a twenty-one gun salute.
Could patriotic fervor and the military spirit cover up class
struggle? Unemployment, hard times, were growing in 1914.
Could guns divert attention and create some national consensus
against an external enemy? It surely was a coincidence--the
bombardment of Vera Cruz, the attack on the Ludlow colony. Or
perhaps it was, as someone once described human history, 'the
natural selection of accidents.' Perhaps the affair in Mexico
was an instinctual response of the system for its own survival,
to create a unity of fighting purpose among a people torn by
internal conflict.
"The bombardment of Vera Cruz was a small incident. But in
four months the First World War would begin in Europe.
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Of note is the April 10, 1995 issue of *The Nation* magazine. In
this issue, *The Nation* gang (with help from their buddies at
the Roger Baldwin Foundation?) take off the gloves and really
give it to various conspiracy theorists. The problem is that they
(of whom better might perhaps have been expected) stoop to the
usual Berlet-ian smear tactics. For example, an elegant twist on
the usual "they are anti-Semites" smear is offered up by
Christopher ("Doesn't Get Money From CIA") Hitchens in his
"Minority Report":
...First comes the claim that [Pat Robertson] can't possibly
be an anti-Semite, because he's such a staunch friend of
Israel. Any fool ought to be able to see through this.
Robertson has actually been a staunch friend of the
millenarian racist minority in Israel, those who believe in
the God-mandated rule over a "Greater Land of Israel." This
is no favor to the Jews. Moreover, the dogmatic Christians
who offer such "support" are the same as those who say that
only "Bible-believing Christians" are true Americans...
So Hitchens seems to be saying that, because Christians believe
that theirs is the "one true religion", this means that they are
anti-Semitic. The "challenge" for all those followers of the
school of Berlet seems to be (1) pick a target; (2) by some twist
of logic (here is the heart of the "challenge") "prove" that your
target is "anti-Semitic"; (3) then lastly, dress up your recoined
crud of a smear in the latest elegant and aristocratic snobbery
of language and send it out as something "new". Hopefully, the
suckers will keep buying it.
Here's another example of the same old crap being served up in
the place of solid argument in the April 10, 1995 issue of *The
Nation*:
Unlike Rush Limbaugh's straightforward propaganda for the
Republican Party line, [Chuck] Harder rallies his fervently
loyal audience around a paranoid, conspiratorial vision,
seasoned by a facile scapegoating that in its worst moments
degenerates into a vehicle for thinly veiled xenophobia and
anti-Semitism...
So again, in a different article ("The Paranoid Style" by Marc
Cooper), we have the usual "they are paranoid", "they are anti-
Semitic" type of argument. Somehow I had expected a better
quality of argument from a magazine like *The Nation*. Can
Sherman Skolnick be correct? Is *The Nation* receiving funding
from the CIA? If not, then *you* explain to me *why* this
prejudiced smear of conspiracists from a supposedly intellectual
and intelligent magazine.
Let me state something I have said before. It relates to an old
tale about "The Boy Who Cried Wolf". I will try to make it as
plain as can be.
Once upon a time, there was a young lad named Ivan. In the
village where Ivan lived, a careful rule had been set up: if
the anti-Semites came, one was to sound the alarm and yell
out "Anti-Semites! Anti-Semites!" Then, the villagers had all
agreed to rush out and defend against these bad people.
Ivan liked to give speeches in the town square, during which
he would urge his listeners that a social-welfare state was
in their best interests. But Ivan's friend Igor also liked to
give speeches. Igor gave his speeches from the other end of
the town square. He often urged his audience that big
government was the enemy of the people.
To Ivan's dismay, the people began to favor Igor's ideas over
Ivan's. What could Ivan do to get the people's attention!?
Ivan had an idea. To get the people's attention, he would
yell out the special alarm word, "Anti-Semites!"
So that very day, with the people all listening to Igor, Ivan
shouted out, "Anti-Semites! Anti-Semites!"
It was the special alarm word! The people all rushed from
where Igor was speaking to the other side of the town square.
"Where, Ivan? Where?" they cried in alarm. "Where are the
anti-Semites!?"
"False alarm!" replied Ivan. "However, now that you're here
and I have your attention, let me explain why there is no
such thing as conspiracies and that big government is your
friend."
"That Ivan," someone muttered. "He has diluted our special
alarm word just so he can advance his personal politics."
The next few days, Ivan kept doing the same thing. The people
in the town square would be favoring what Igor was saying, so
Ivan would yell out the special alarm word, the people would
rush over to his side of the square, and then Ivan would say,
"False alarm. But since you are here, let me tell you why you
can be sure that Oswald acted alone."
I'm going to leave off the story at this point. Did the *real*
anti-Semites show up one day? Did Ivan's petty use of a specially
arranged alarm word just for the purpose of his personal politics
thereby lead to disaster? Let's hope not.
On the up side, we conspiracy theorists, persecuted as we often
are by persons of whom we may have hoped better, can at least
take heart that the high and haughty *Nation* magazine has now
(for some reason) noticed that we exist. Can it be that we (like
Igor) are being listened to? Why else the smear? Why else is *The
Nation* stooping so low?
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[CN Editor -- I cannot vouch for the accuracy of *all* of the
following. It may or may not be true, I just don't know. However
I consider Skolnick to be an honest and careful investigator.]
[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put
out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up
the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]
Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts,
9800 South Oglesby.
Some think First Lady Hillary is facing federal criminal
indictment for obstruction of justice and bank embezzlement.
Others believe Starr does not intend to go that far.
Some facts:
Somewhere over $15 million disappeared from San Jacinto Savings &
Loan of southwest Texas -- supposedly for home improvement loans
in Arkansas, but the records either are gone or never existed.
The S&L, now defunct, is in the hands of federal regulators, a
senior investigator of which put it short and sweet: "Hillary is
going to jail," he said.
Then, of course, there is the matter of $50 million transferred
from a Resolution Trust Corporation [RTC] contingency fund in
Chicago. Parked with Household International, the federal agency
money was secretly transferred to Little Rock, to try to cover up
Hillary's mess: $47 million missing *there* from Madison Guaranty
S&L. Some of it was transferred via Fuji Bank to the Cayman
Islands, and then to a Swiss account -- code name: "Chelsea
Jefferson" ("Chelsea" being the name of Clinton's daughter, and
"Jefferson", Bill's middle name). The loot, reportedly, is mixed
with money skimmed off the cocaine shipments to the Mena,
Arkansas airport, and "washed" through banks and bond brokers --
cronies of Bill and Hillary.
Then there is the matter of Systematics, a unit of ALLTEL --
Arkansas Telephone. Systematics is reportedly a spy satellite
operation of the National Security Agency. The company reportedly
helped modify the super-duper Inslaw software. To do what? Why,
for low-orbit satellites to spy on the computers of central banks
worldwide, using a computer "trap door".
Lawyers and strategists for Systematics have been Hillary Rodham
Clinton and her law partner, Vincent Foster, jr. Just after White
House aide Foster was found dead, in July '93, his office was
"cleaned out" of records relating to these matters. The documents
were, in part, either destroyed or secretly shipped to Chicago,
for blackmail -- all on orders of the First Lady.
In view of the bank embezzlement and other such, Hillary can be
charged with the federal crime of obstruction of justice. You can
see why Foster was forced to either kill himself or was murdered.
*And*, who is fingering Hillary? Why, her former manager at the
Rose Law Firm, Webster Hubbell. At one time third-in-command at
the Clinton Justice Department, Hubbell quit to plead guilty to
various federal crimes. His cooperation with the independent
prosecutor may send Hillary to prison!
The possible indictment of Hillary fits into a complex jig-saw
puzzle. Various secret societies have to decide whether they are
going to throw away Bill and/or Hillary. Such as, the Bilderberg
Group, which meets secretly each year in a different country,
right after Easter. Then there is the summertime meeting of the
Bohemian Grove Group. Remember: in 1974, President Nixon resigned
just after the meeting of the Bohemian Grove near San Francisco.
Questions: *How* would the indictment of Hillary affect the
ongoing collapse of the dollar? Or the stock market? Or business
confidence? The secret societies, promoters of world government
and the New World Order, are not out to protect the United
States. They arranged for "Sludge Willy" to be President! They
put him in. *And*, they can take him out.
Hillary-dillary-doc,
Hillary went up the White House clock.
Hillary fell down, and broke Bill's crown.
Hillary-dillary-doc.
Just another story, suppressed by the news fakers: the liars and
whores of the press.
In Chicago, see us on cable tv, channel 21, 9 pm [cst] most
Monday evenings.
Play it again: "The Crooked Chief Federal Appeals Judge in
Chicago". (312) 731-1505.
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I consider Skolnick to be an honest and careful investigator.]
[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put
out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up
the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]
Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts,
9800 South Oglesby.
Some think First Lady Hillary is facing federal criminal
indictment for obstruction of justice and bank embezzlement.
Others believe Starr does not intend to go that far.
Some facts:
Somewhere over $15 million disappeared from San Jacinto Savings &
Loan of southwest Texas -- supposedly for home improvement loans
in Arkansas, but the records either are gone or never existed.
The S&L, now defunct, is in the hands of federal regulators, a
senior investigator of which put it short and sweet: "Hillary is
going to jail," he said.
Then, of course, there is the matter of $50 million transferred
from a Resolution Trust Corporation [RTC] contingency fund in
Chicago. Parked with Household International, the federal agency
money was secretly transferred to Little Rock, to try to cover up
Hillary's mess: $47 million missing *there* from Madison Guaranty
S&L. Some of it was transferred via Fuji Bank to the Cayman
Islands, and then to a Swiss account -- code name: "Chelsea
Jefferson" ("Chelsea" being the name of Clinton's daughter, and
"Jefferson", Bill's middle name). The loot, reportedly, is mixed
with money skimmed off the cocaine shipments to the Mena,
Arkansas airport, and "washed" through banks and bond brokers --
cronies of Bill and Hillary.
Then there is the matter of Systematics, a unit of ALLTEL --
Arkansas Telephone. Systematics is reportedly a spy satellite
operation of the National Security Agency. The company reportedly
helped modify the super-duper Inslaw software. To do what? Why,
for low-orbit satellites to spy on the computers of central banks
worldwide, using a computer "trap door".
Lawyers and strategists for Systematics have been Hillary Rodham
Clinton and her law partner, Vincent Foster, jr. Just after White
House aide Foster was found dead, in July '93, his office was
"cleaned out" of records relating to these matters. The documents
were, in part, either destroyed or secretly shipped to Chicago,
for blackmail -- all on orders of the First Lady.
In view of the bank embezzlement and other such, Hillary can be
charged with the federal crime of obstruction of justice. You can
see why Foster was forced to either kill himself or was murdered.
*And*, who is fingering Hillary? Why, her former manager at the
Rose Law Firm, Webster Hubbell. At one time third-in-command at
the Clinton Justice Department, Hubbell quit to plead guilty to
various federal crimes. His cooperation with the independent
prosecutor may send Hillary to prison!
The possible indictment of Hillary fits into a complex jig-saw
puzzle. Various secret societies have to decide whether they are
going to throw away Bill and/or Hillary. Such as, the Bilderberg
Group, which meets secretly each year in a different country,
right after Easter. Then there is the summertime meeting of the
Bohemian Grove Group. Remember: in 1974, President Nixon resigned
just after the meeting of the Bohemian Grove near San Francisco.
Questions: *How* would the indictment of Hillary affect the
ongoing collapse of the dollar? Or the stock market? Or business
confidence? The secret societies, promoters of world government
and the New World Order, are not out to protect the United
States. They arranged for "Sludge Willy" to be President! They
put him in. *And*, they can take him out.
Hillary-dillary-doc,
Hillary went up the White House clock.
Hillary fell down, and broke Bill's crown.
Hillary-dillary-doc.
Just another story, suppressed by the news fakers: the liars and
whores of the press.
In Chicago, see us on cable tv, channel 21, 9 pm [cst] most
Monday evenings.
Play it again: "The Crooked Chief Federal Appeals Judge in
Chicago". (312) 731-1505.
New message Friday; we change it several times a week.
Donations appreciated. Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- APRIL 4, 1995
On April 4, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone.
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
-- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
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CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, first of all, you were talkin' about Chuck Goudy? [He] had
been on TV last night, was it?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Channel 7, WLS-TV in Chicago. It's an ABC affiliate.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, and he confirmed that "China White" is... what, exactly?
That it's a major problem in Chicago? Or that Chicago...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Chicago is the major entry point for "China White", a high-purity
heroin coming in from China, mainland China.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
Regarding this commentary of yours: you mentioned the Bohemian
Grove. And there's a book by uh, Donham? I think the name is?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No. *Bohemian Grove* by Domhoff.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. And when we talked last Saturday, you and Joe
[Andreuccetti] had mentioned that you think April 28th is gonna
be a key date in the, this thing with Hillary and all.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well. April 28th, '95, is the date set for Webster Hubbell to be
sentenced. He's the former law partner of Hillary's, and was
formerly the number three person at the U.S. Department of
Justice.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. And, but you had also mentioned that there might be some
connection with, I think, what? The Bilderbergs are meetin' just
before that, or somethin'?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, right. The previous week, the Bilderberg Group is meeting.
(I forget what country they're meeting in.) But they meet in
secret, every year, in a different country. [other phone rings]
Hold on a minute.
[...pause...]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, so April 28th is a key date because the Bilderbergs will be
havin' their meeting and, before then, and...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, we happen to see a connection; not everybody sees a
connection.
At the Bilderberg secret meeting in, about the same time of the
year, after Easter in '91, is when they invited to their secret
meeting Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton. And they more or less
annointed him as the new President of the United States. He ran
in '92, and all the negatives about him were played down in the
press -- Gennifer Flowers and all these other things were "pooh-
poohed" in the press because the ultra-rich had annointed him as
their "fair-haired boy" to be the new President.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, just like you say in your commentary, "They put him in. And
they can pull him out."
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, Arkansas is a sizeable state, with a very small population.
Like two million? And they traditionally have been owned and
operated, the whole state, by the Rockefellers. A few terms
preceding Bill Clinton as Governor was Winthrop Rockefeller. It's
no secret that the Rockefellers own and operate Arkansas.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, and I had received a message before, regarding Systematics,
that they emphatically deny that they are tied up in anything.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well the reason they deny it is, according to published stories
(and I have a list of them, from America Online), Systematics
supplies integrated systems design -- pardon me -- computer
integrated systems design for financial entities, including banks
worldwide. And they reportedly are a secret unit of the code-
breaking spy agency, National Security Agency: NSA.
Yes, they deny it. I would expect them to deny it because,
according to these stories which are compiled in a background
piece about them, summarized in a series of items in America
Online, they supply this computer system to major banks in the
United States and around the world. Some of those stories were in
various issues of *American Banker*, from about 1988 to date. And
I got a list of them.
I would expect them to deny it! Yes.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, one final observation I have is that Hillary and Chelsea
are overseas at this point. And you had said before that the
marriage between Bill and Hillary is sort of a "CIA marriage",
that there's possibly not a great deal of actual love between
them.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well a "CIA couple" is similar to E. Howard Hunt and his late
wife, Dorothy. She held a higher position in CIA than he did. And
although they didn't get along well together, they *did* have
children. And, for all the world, they were a couple. But they
were a CIA couple, each with their own separate agenda, with CIA.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, my observation is that Hillary would have some natural
affection towards her daughter. And if Hillary knew that she's
about to go down, one of the last things that she might want to
do would be to do something nice, out of parental affection
towards Chelsea. Say, give her [a first-class tour of the world].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, there have been rumors, that apparently were heard by
Hillary, that a grand jury subpoena was "running after her" and
requiring her testimony. Well you can't get her testimony if
she's not *in* the United States!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, so possibly she's also just kind of fled the country for
awhile.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, she'll probably deny it. But the point is, um (uh, what
should I say?)...
By the way, the ALLTEL merged with Systematics, Incorporated, in
April of '91, according to a story in *Arkansas Business* --
that's a magazine -- April 8th, '91 issue.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
All right, but so, if... She wants to flee, sort of flee the
country, to avoid this subpoena or whatever. But can't they just
wait for her to come back, and then issue the subpoena when she
comes back?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
There's something about the April-May situation there. So far,
the independent prosecutor, Kenneth Starr, has delayed coming out
with a report saying that the previous, so-called "independent"
counsel, Fiske, was correct when he said that White House aide
Foster was a suicide.
Foster's children, according to a report in the London *Sunday
Telegraph* (wait a minute, I'll get the date), published in the
March 19th, 1995 edition of the *Sunday Telegraph* of London,
says that the published reports in the United States, in the
major newspapers here, are not correct. That there is still a
lingering doubt about White House aide Foster, and the stories in
the American press, that he was a suicide.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And so Starr is... You're sayin' that Starr is gonna back up what
Fiske had said about that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well... The *Wall Street Journal*, and others, have published
stories *like* that. The difference is, there's a split in the
*Wall Street Journal*. The *editorial* department has run lengthy
editorials, which were really *news* items, raising the question
about these lingering doubts. However, the writing end of it,
front-page stories in the *Wall Street Journal*, recently "pooh-
poohed" the idea that there was anything strange that happened to
Vincent Foster, jr.
So... Here is a quote from the March 19th, '95 issue of the
*Sunday Telegraph* of London:
The scheme involved use of an Arkansas computer firm as a
front to help install software in foreign banks, central
banks, and intelligence agencies around the world.
The software, known as PROMIS, was allegedly used to track
money flows on behalf of U.S. Intelligence. Sources say that
one of the files removed from Foster's office by a White
House raiding party on the night of his death contained
documents related to this operation.
I'm quoting from the March 19th, '95 issue of the *Sunday
Telegraph* of London.
By the way, according to this story, Vincent Foster's eldest son,
Vince junior, now works for the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.
Which I find interesting.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
So, a payoff, right?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, we have already interviewed traders on "the Merc", as they
call it. And they told me a year ago that they expect a major
scandal about money laundering work through the Chicago
Mercantile Exchange. The ones *I* interviewed claimed that they
themselves were not personally involved, but that other traders
that they knew, which they didn't wish to publicly identify to
me, were involved in the money flow from banks in Arkansas and
bond brokers in Arkansas, connected with Clinton, where the money
went up through Rostenkowski's bank -- Garfield Ridge Trust &
Savings Bank -- and, in turn, was "washed" through the Chicago
Mercantile Exchange.
I find it very interesting that in the story in the *Sunday
Telegraph* of London, March 19th, '95, that they mention that
Vince Foster's eldest son, Vince junior, is now employed by the
Chicago Mercantile Exchange. Under the circumstances, I find it
very interesting.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And you were talkin' about this Beryl Anthony, I think his name
is? Of [Winston & Strawn]...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. He is either the managing partner, or an important
partner, in the 400-member law firm, of which the chairman is Jim
Thompson (the former Governor of Illinois). And Beryl Anthony
apparently runs their District of Columbia office. And Beryl
Anthony is Foster's brother-in-law. Also, in the story in the
March 19th issue that I referred to, they point out that (um,
where did I see it here?), that one of the Anthony family held --
oh, here! Sheila Anthony, a top Justice Department official that
has been involved in choosing who is a U.S. Marshall, who is a
U.S. federal judge, and other key positions. She held *that* key
position in the U.S. Justice Department. And, under the
circumstances, I think the whole situation is quite interesting.
Until recently, Sheila Anthony, according to the London *Sunday
Telegraph* story... (Uh, what does it say about her? Just a
minute.) Until recently, she was associate attorney general, in
charge of selecting U.S. federal Marshalls, prosecutors, and
judges. A "very powerful position", according to the London
paper.
Her husband, Beryl Anthony, was also involved. He is a former
U.S. congressman from Arkansas, and used to be the treasurer
of the Democratic National Committee. They are both
Democratic insiders, with extremely close ties to the Clinton
White House.
[...to be continued...]
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- APRIL 4, 1995
On April 4, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone.
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
-- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
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[...continued...]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK [continues]:
So you can understand... In other words, another guy that was
right up there, as associate attorney general, third-in-command,
who resigned to face federal charges, was Webster Hubbell -- who
we believe is fingering Hillary, and that may be the basis for an
indictment.
I'm not saying that anybody (anybody outside of Kenneth Starr
himself) is certain as to whether Hillary will or will not be
indicted on federal criminal charges of embezzlement and
obstruction of justice. I mean, they're *considering* the thing.
And it has to be taken into consideration that all of this is
happening while these secret societies (that the press doesn't
discuss) are about to meet (like the Bilderberg Group), and while
the dollar is practically in a free-fall in the yen market, and
while all these other things are happening.
I mean, in other words, in that context you have to consider:
maybe Kenneth Starr is afraid to proceed, on the basis that
indicting Hillary will put such pressure on the President and on
the Clinton White House that foreign allies of the United States
will lose total confidence in the U.S. dollar, which would then,
supposedly, go into a free-fall. And maybe that's one of the
things that they're considering in hesitating to indict Hillary.
And I just find it more than coincidental that Hillary, just at
the point of these rumors of a grand jury subpoena "runnin' after
her", that she's out of the country, beyond the federal
jurisdiction for the moment.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, well that's my tandem observation: that she also may be
wanting to do something nice for her daughter, just in case she's
about to go to jail, it might be kind of a nice thing on her
part. Because she would have a natural affection towards her
daughter, as compared to, she may have no real affection towards
Bill.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
All these stories... I mean, Gennifer Flowers' book is coming
out. And when you saw her on the television, whatever opinion
someone formed during the '92 election, Gennifer Flowers appears
to be quite reasonable. She's a journalist (many people didn't
know that), previously. The press, uh "Hard Copy", that
controversial TV show, showed her briefly. They did not quite
make it clear whether she was a print journalist or a TV
journalist. But she claims that, starting in '77, when Clinton
was a state attorney general in Arkansas -- for 12 years
thereafter, she was his mistress. And that she's *appalled* that
the same one that was her *lover*, is now the President and seeks
to lie about something that she can prove.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. I wanted to make double-certain about something that you
had said. Foster's death, I think we both agree that it's highly
suspicious. And if it was a suicide, it at least did not occur at
Fort Marcy Park.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, yeah. The point is, notice the oddity: according to stories
in the London *Sunday Telegraph* and a few other papers (but not
in all the major papers in the United States), Starr's people
subpoenaed key witnesses from the Park Police and the FBI. And in
a rare move, *warned* them, before they went in to the grand
jury, they were read the federal perjury law, as a warning: "Hey.
You don't tell the truth behind the unmarked door, you may go to
jail for perjury!"
CONSPIRACY NATION:
But then they "took the fifth", right? {1}
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well. What goes on behind the unmarked, federal grand jury door
is supposed to be secret. But if they *there* took the Fifth
Amendment or not, is speculative. How can we know? It hasn't been
revealed.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
It seemed to me I heard somethin', that they had been...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yes. There are stories circulating, like that. There is a lot of
information that is leaking out. And what has happened is,
[Rupert] Murdoch, who I believe is the owner of the London
*Sunday Telegraph*, wants to throttle back the British writer,
who is named Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, situated in Little Rock,
who has gotten a lot of inside information. And other, much
lesser journalists, are apparently now privy to some of the
inside information that Pritchard used to get. In other words,
Pritchard's stories, in recent weeks, were not that revealing.
And knowledgeable journalists here, and in England and elsewhere,
are commenting that Murdoch has ordered Pritchard "throttled
back". It may well be that, at some point, he'll recall him from
Little Rock.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Why would Murdoch do that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Murdoch has got hundreds of millions of dollars involved in his
communications monopoly. He needs the blessings of both the
Democrats and the Republicans. And his newspaper, the London
*Sunday Telegraph*, has been scandalizing the Clintons repeatedly
with inside information. And, after all, Clinton still has quite
a control, through Janet Reno and others, of the Justice
Department. And they could stop Murdoch, or cause him great delay
and expense, by accusing him of various anti-trust situations. In
some cities, they have given him an exemption -- the FCC has.
Under law... There's some kind of a law, regarding the FCC, that
they cannot have a major newspaper and a major TV station in the
same market, owned by the same people. In some markets, they've
granted an exemption -- like the *Tribune*, and others. But
apparently, at one point NBC was fighting Murdoch on the basis
that he's a foreigner, and shouldn't be granted certain rights.
Murdoch has claimed that he's now an American citizen. But his
company, NewsCorp, is a foreign-owned company. And the FCC, and
NBC, until just recently have been fighting Murdoch. And I
*gather* that NBC backed off, and the FCC backed off --
apparently on orders from the Clinton Justice Department. And
therefore, Murdoch is calling off his dog. In other words, in so
many words, he's telling Pritchard, "Will ya back off!? Get off
Clinton's back."
So... because the Clinton Justice Department and so on is in a
position to cost Murdoch hundreds of millions of dollars in
expenses if they start bothering him on anti-trust and other
legal problems.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right, but let me just clarify this one point you had made
before. We agree, I think, between us, that Fiske's report on
Foster's death was a whitewash, right?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
It had to be a whitewash! Because Fiske, before he was appointed,
by the Justice Department... See, Kenneth Starr was not appointed
by the Justice Department. He was appointed by a special three-
judge panel, set up under the independent counsel law. Fiske was
not set up under that special law. He was given the title of,
*so-called*, "independent counsel" by the Clinton Justice
Department, which is... he isn't that independent. And
previously, Fiske was involved in covering up aspects of the
rogue bank, BCCI; that part has been published. So he had a
built-in conflict of interest -- Fiske -- and was inclined to go
along with covering up Foster, because Foster and Hillary were
the attorneys that arranged for BCCI to penetrate the American
market!
So, I mean, Fiske was inclined to cover the whole thing up!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right, and so, that's a whitewash. And you're saying that
Starr is, Starr is gonna say what? That Foster's death *was* a
suicide?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Some journalists are commenting on the fact that alleged stories
had leaked out that Starr was gonna uphold what Fiske said, that
Foster was a suicide. The *delay* in doing that, and calling
Foster's children before the grand jury (which had not,
apparently, been done previous), leads some to believe that Starr
would not so easily uphold the suicide theory.
Also, the London *Sunday Telegraph*, in their March 19th, '95
issue, refers to a highly-sensitive and confidential matters in a
secret FBI file. And to give the **number** of it (which has not
been previously known), and, so that... When you consider the
whole thing -- about Sheila Anthony being a top official (that's
Foster's sister, uh sister-in-law): she was a top official in the
Justice Department that helped select U.S. Marshalls, federal
judges and prosecutors, and all that -- you could see the whole
situation uh, there was a built-in conflict of interest!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. There's also just too many discrepancies between the actual
evidence and things that Fiske had ignored.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
There's all kinds of things. The coroner is, to many, seems to be
fraudulent. I mean, he made a statement that he x-rayed Foster's
head, to see which way the bullet went? And then later, he said,
"The x-ray wasn't needed, and besides which, my x-ray machine"
(which was a *new* machine) "had not been working for 2 weeks."
How come he didn't get it repaired? How come he didn't send the
body over to a *nearby* hospital to be x-rayed?
I mean, there's all...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. And there's no bone fragments found.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, there's all these... not that much blood on the ground;
they leaked an apparent fraudulent picture, to be used on ABC
Evening "News" with Peter Jennings; ABC has apparently gone along
with this cover-up; etcetera. I mean, there's something wrong,
all the way around.
And the point is, what they're all worried about, to me seems
obvious: they're worried that *if* it comes out, that Foster's
death was *not* a suicide, then Clinton and his wife become
accomplices to murder -- simply by trying to cover it up! They
didn't have to order the murder; they didn't have to pick up the
gun and personally shoot their alleged "friend", Foster -- but
just by covering it up, under law, they become accomplices and
they're... I think, accomplices to murder *can* *be* a capital
offense! In any case, it would topple the government, okay?
Topple the government, at a time when the dollar is going to the
devil.
[...]
I predict, within 30 days of the meeting of the Bilderberg
Society, it is likely that something dramatic will happen,
regarding the Clinton White House.
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{1} "Took the fifth" -- This basically means that they
(supposedly) refused to answer questions on the grounds that
their answers might tend to incriminate themselves. The "fifth"
in the phrase, "took the fifth", refers to the Fifth Amendment to
the Constitution of the united States, which offers this
protection against self-incrimination.
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My thanks to the many individuals who have been sending me
information, both via e-mail and "snail mail".
In spite of my grandiose title ("Editor-in-chief"), I am really
just one Illinoisan with a 16 megaherz 386-SX operating at 2400
baud. So, while it is indeed true that we Illinoisans are
extremely amazing people (witness, for example, Skolnick of the
north), I can't possibly do justice to all the fine material I
have received. Add to that the fact that I wanted to give a fair
amount of priority to recent interviews with Sherman Skolnick,
and you can see why I cannot cover *everything* in Conspiracy
Nation.
And yet, as I say, much of the info I have been getting has been
excellent. So let me pass along my own too-brief summaries of
some good material:
*** Number one is that several readers have pointed out that
Mr. Skolnick was in error in a recent interview when he
stated that Rupert Murdoch is the owner of the London *Sunday
Telegraph*. I will ask Sherman about this when next I
interview him, which should be by about April 28th. For the
record, Skolnick has himself pointed out that he is not
infallible. So, should he have made a mistake on this item,
that, in itself, does not discredit him.
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*** So you thought you knew all about "The dangers of
fluoride". So did I, when I first received info on this from
Robert J. Carton, Ph.D. (Truth About Fluoride, Inc., Box 219,
Buckeystown, MD 21717 Phone/FAX 301-874-2948) Perhaps you,
like me, had been trained to laughingly dismiss the fluoride
warnings as the stuff of right-wing crackpots. So had I been
thus trained, and so when issues of "The Fluoride Report"
arrived in my mailbox, my first reaction was "Great! Now the
'Outer Limits' has made contact."
Yet I read through some of the material, including a
reprint from an article in the Fall 1992 issue of *Covert
Action* ("Fluoride: Commie Plot or Capitalist Ploy" by Joel
Griffiths): "The only people who question the safety of
fluoride, says the government, are quacks and lunatics --
particularly of the far-right-wing variety... The nation...
has been successfully conditioned to think of fluoride solely
as a benevolent substance and to dismiss as a crackpot,
anyone who claims otherwise."
But fluoride "is not biodegradable; whatever comes around
stays around, gradually accumulating in the environment, in
the food chain, and in people's bodies, where it settles in
bones and teeth."
Dr. Carton charges in an accompanying letter that excess
fluoride in the food supply is behind many tooth problems. He
includes photos from a 1993 National Academy of Science
report, "Health Effects of Ingested Fluoride", showing the
havoc wreaked on children's teeth by "dental fluorosis".
A great deal of further evidence is provided by Carton to
back up his charges. What with the avalanche of news of
cover-up, corruptions, et cetera that I am receiving, it
truly boggles the mind how much has been going on behind the
scenes. I regret that I cannot give more coverage to this
fluoride fraud. Interested readers can contact Dr. Carton for
further information.
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*** I have been receiving copies of a newletter called
"Relevance" from another CN reader. I may get around to
giving the info therein more coverage in the future. For now,
from their latest issue:
-+- Poster Boy -+-
Gorbachev announces something called "Gorbachev
Foundation USA" will hold a "State of the World Forum" in
San Francisco. "Gorbachev has evidently taken over from
George Bush as official poster boy for the New World
Order. In early 1993, as Bill Clinton was taking office,
the Russian stated:
The future needs... international institutions acting
on behalf of all. A higher institution that operates
on a consensus. Such a choice would narrow the
independence many believe the United States now
enjoys.
Note that [Gorbachev] says many *believe* the United
States now enjoys independence." And indeed, the cover of
the March 1995 issue warns that in "...these first months
of 1995, the mask of 'democracy' is coming off, as our
would-be rulers begin... Dictating The Global Consensus."
-+- The Dread "Criminal Syndicalism" -+-
"This sinister offense includes anyone who knowingly...
...for, or on behalf of another, whose purpose is to
advocate or promote the doctrine of criminal
syndicalism, organizes or becomes a member of any
assembly, group or organization which he knows is
advocating or promoting the doctrine of criminal
syndicalism, distributes, sells, publishes, or
publicly displays any writing advocating or
advertising such doctrine. [Revised Code of Montana]
Sounds like Red China, no? Over there, they have the dread
crime of "hooliganism". What will be next? We've already had
red scares, witch hunts, "drug wars", and now this --
"criminal syndicalism". These guys must stay awake nights,
dreaming up this stuff. Coming soon: "conspiracy mongerers".
Stay tuned.
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as well it turned out as it did, as things seem to be happening.]
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The following is from *The Washington Times, National Weekly
Edition*, April 3-9, 1995. Note that *The Washington Times* is
almost if not in fact a "mainstream" press outlet. As such, the
very fact that this has appeared in their newspaper is of note.
If you can afford $60 for a year-long, weekly subscription, the
price is well worth it as this paper is extremely well-written.
Note that I have absolutely no connection with *The Washington
Times* and that this is just my own personal endorsement; I
receive absolutely no compensation for doing so. To subscribe to
*The Washington Times, National Weekly Edition*, phone 1-800-636-
3699.
WHEN THE LAW BREAKS IN...
by Samuel Francis
Most Americans who keep up with the news today know about the
atrocities inflicted by the federal leviathan at Waco and on the
family of Randy Weaver in Idaho. In both cases, federal police
deliberately provoked innocent people in ways that led to the
violent deaths of the innocent. What few Americans know is that
such horrors are far from rare.
In January 1994, several defenders of gun rights and civil
liberties wrote to President Clinton detailing some of these
horror stories. Whether he's bothered to reply I don't know, but
what he has to say about the matter is unimportant. What's
important is that Americans understand what is happening -- to them
and their country.
On August 25, 1992, the California home of a law-abiding citizen
named Donald Carlson was invaded by agents of the Drug
Enforcement Administration shortly after midnight on the claim
that they were looking for illegal drugs. Mr. Carlson, asleep at
the time, thought robbers had broken in; he dialed 911 and
reached for his hand gun. DEA agents riddled him with bullets;
After seven weeks in intensive care, he survived -- sort of. No
drugs were found.
In October the same year, the DEA paid a similar visit to Donald
Scott, also in California, this time bringing along the Los
Angeles Sheriff's Department for extra protection against the
dangerous Mr. Scott, also a law-abiding citizen. Busting into the
house while he was asleep, a deputy sheriff shot Mr. Scott and
killed him. Again, no illegal drugs were found.
A year earlier, in September, 1991, a small federal army composed
of some 60 agents from the DEA, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco
and Firearms (ATF) the National Guard and the U.S. Forest Service
(where, you have to wonder, were the Boy Scouts and the Little
League) arrived in the living rooms of Mrs. Sina Brush and two
neighbors in New Mexico just after dawn. Mrs. Brush and her
daughter were handcuffed in their underwear and forced to kneel
while the American gestapo searched the house for drugs. No drugs
were found.
These aren't the only instances of armed invasions and violent
attacks by federal police. There are other recent cases not
mentioned in the letter to Mr. Clinton.
Last summer, the ATF paid a visit to Harry and Theresa Lumplugh
in Pennsylvania. The ATF needed only 15 to 20 men, armed and
masked, to handle the couple, whom they forced to open safes and
hand over private papers while held at the point of a machine
gun. One of America's finest kicked the Lumplughs' pet cat to
death. No charges were brought against the Lumplughs.
Last year, four ATF agents raided the bedroom of Monique
Montgomery at four in the morning. She reached for a gun and was
shot four times and killed. Nothing illegal was found. In Ohio,
the ATF raided the house of businessman and part-time police
officer Louie Katona III, pushing his pregnant wife against a
wall and causing her to miscarry. Nothing illegal was found.
In almost all of these cases, the feds showed up in the middle of
the night, garbed like Arnold Schwarzenegger in his latest
thriller and proceeded to bully, beat, humiliate, intrude and
sometimes wound or kill the victims they'd selected. In none did
any of the victims violate any law; in several, the police had
relied on intelligence known to be unreliable. In the Scott case,
the Ventura County District Attorney's Office found that the raid
was in part motivated by the desire of the Sheriff's Office to
seize Mr. Scott's ranch under federal asset-forfeiture laws.
Last year, on a TV talk show discussing Waco, I listened to
caller after caller phone in to report mini-Wacos in their own
areas that no one else had ever heard of. Maybe some of them were
cranks and made it up. But the horrors I've just described have
to make you wonder if we really live in the United States
anymore. In none of the cases I know about have any of the
federal agents been charged; few have been disciplined; almost
none made the national news.
What can be done about it? I guess "Write your congressman"
doesn't quite cut it, does it? What should be done about it is
that the Congress should forget its "Hundred Days," its "Contract
with America," its constitutional amendments and its happy talk
about the "Third Wave." It should find out who authorized these
and similar raids and who committed these atrocities against law-
abiding citizens. It should abolish the agencies responsible, and
it should make certain that the tyrants and murderers in federal
uniform who planned, authorized or committed these crimes are
brought to justice.
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THE GANGSTER NATURE OF THE STATE
My transcription of a talk by Dr. Michael Parenti. Michael
Parenti received his Ph.D. in political science from Yale
University in 1962. He has taught at a number of colleges and
universities, and is the author of many books, including
*Democracy for the Few* (St. Martin's; sixth edition); *Inventing
Reality: The Politics of News Media* (St. Martin's; second
edition); and *Land of Idols: Political Mythology in America (St.
Martin's). I will include a list of his audio taped lectures at
the end of this transcript.
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MICHAEL PARENTI:
Thank you. It's very nice to be here. I made a note that I wanted
to come tonight, when I heard that Peter Dale Scott and Michael
Levine were going to be speaking. I had no idea I *was* going to
be coming in this capacity -- a very last-minute thing.
I, I've been looking at history, and I've been impressed and
depressed by the fact that history is really a chronicle of
immense atrocities. What we have in history is the fact that,
when surplus value develops, when there's more than a subsistence
economy, you have some portion of the population that will do
everything it can to enslave and to exappropriate the labor of
the rest of the people. Whether it's a slave society (as in
ancient Greece and Rome), or feudal society (where people were
reduced to serfs), or in Capitalist society (where people are
driven to the edge of insecurity and made to work faster and
harder).
And one of the things that's used in that arrangement is a very
conscious instrument of control, that's very necessary. And that
instrument is called the State. That is, what they do is set up a
State -- an organization that has, as Max Weber (who wasn't a
Marxist), as Max Weber called it: "An organization that has a
monopoly on the legitimate uses of force and violence."
But that's what we have today! We also have developed, in modern
times, some democratic features, some means of trying to fight
back and restrain this arbitrary power -- this use of power for
the sheer sake of exploiting people for self-enrichment of a
small elite.
What am I trying to say? That along with government, we also have
a thing called "The State". And along with governance, along with
policies, and along with those things, we have this other
instrument -- even in a democratic State. And that instrument's
goal, whether it's in democratic France or democratic England or
democratic Germany or democratic Italy or democratic USA or
democratic Canada, and all these countries... All of them have
these other instruments and agencies, that ACT LIKE A BUNCH OF
*GANGSTERS*!! That act repressively. That use surveillance. That
use every dirty trick in the book: unequal enforcement of tax
laws, name it; the bringing in of drugs into whole neighborhoods
and communities; trumped-up murder charges; assassination. That
you HAVE IN THE MIDDLE of these democracies, you have the state
within the state -- known as the "national security state". And
that State is capable of the most UNSPEAKABLE crimes that you can
think of! And those crimes are perpetrated against their *own*
people; they're perpetrated against people around the world.
Not long ago, I got a letter from a woman who's been a community
organizer in Chicago. And she said with GRIEF in her heart, she
said, "I *remember* the sixties! I *remember* the tremendous
democratic organization and leadership that was developing in the
Latino and African-American communities! And I remember those
leaders! And every single one of them today is either DEAD (shot
by the police) or in Marion prison on trumped-up charges! And I
remember the demoralization that took place; the shattering of
those organizations. And after those organizations were
shattered, and demoralized, then in came the drug traffickers.
And those drug traffickers, the thing I remember the most about
them, is that they were aided and abetted by the feds! By the
federal agents themselves."
And this is what happens. That is, we are dealing with a State
that was engaged in domestic counter-insurgency. And it was
*more* interested in having a population that was *un*-organized,
and *de*-moralized, than a population that was *organized*, that
was effectively fighting for its democratic rights. Because if
it's organized, and it's effective, and it's powerful, it will
start making demands and start pursuing *its* interests. And it
will start cutting in on the interests that those police, and
those "coppers", and those undercover people, and those forces of
military and "law and order", are dedicated to protecting --
protecting the *status quo*, protecting those with property
against those who don't have it.
And by the way, for the last thousand years we've had theorists
who've made that point. Except they make it proudly.
Adam Smith said, "As the divisions of property become
increasingly unequal, it is more and more necessary to have a
State, to defend those who have property from those who do not."
John Locke: "The purpose of the State is to defend those who have
property from those who do not."
James Harrington. You can go on. James Madison. Alexander
Hamilton. The only difference was that when [Karl] Marx said it,
he said "to defend those who have property from those whose labor
is exappropriated by those who accumulate wealth off their labor,
who have all the property." He changed it a little bit. And he
said it wasn't just "haves" and "have nots", it was "haves"
taking it from those who produced it and created the "haves".
And throughout the world, dominant economic interests today have
enlisted the efforts of assassins and torturers. As we talk, at
this moment, the CIA and other such agencies, in this country and
other countries, have sponsored violence, torture, death squads,
drugs... in scores of countries. From Zaire to Angola to
Mozambique to El Salvador to Guatemala to Indonesia to East
Timor. And you go on and on and on. All... to western Europe to
the USA! To Chicago and Detroit and Boston and New York. They
have systematically targeted, in many countries, the clergy, the
peasant leaders, intellectuals, journalists, student leaders,
labor union leaders, workers, and any community activists and
such. Tens of thousands have been murdered and assassinated to
prevent social change; to destroy any kind of redistributive
politics, any kind of government, any kind of social movement
that is not willing to reduce its people to economic fodder.
And with NAFTA, with the North American Free Trade Agreement, we
now see the Third World-ization of the USA will continue, full-
speed ahead.
The gangster nature of the State is cloaked by the democratic
facade, *and* by the democratic substance of the government. I
mean, there *is* some democratic substance there. Democratic
victories have been won. We have struggled, and certain things
*have* been won.
And yet, in the midst of this, the State still goes on.
And what is so compelling about an issue like drugs (as Michael
Levine is pointing out) is that it's not that we're saying, "The
government is not doing enough about drugs," or that "We're
losing the 'war against drugs.'" It's that the government, or
elements in it, are *active* *perpetrators* and purveyors of
drugs! {1}. {2}.
And what is so compelling about the JFK assassination is how
nakedly the gangster nature of the State is revealed! It is an
awakening. And to know the truth about the JFK assassination is
to create a de-legitimating force that calls into question the
entire State system and the entire social order it represents.
And this is why, for 30 years, the mainstream press has
suppressed, or dismissed out of hand, the findings about JFK's
death, the findings of independent investigators like Peter Dale
Scott, Harold Weisberg, Carl Oglesby, Mark Lane, Antony Summers,
Phillip Melinson(sp?), Jim Garrison, Cyril Wecht, and dozens and
dozens of others. They're called "assassination buffs". They're
not "buffs". Even that *word* is a limiting and marginalizing and
diminishing term. A "buff" is a kind of a hobby pursuer, you see.
It's a kind of a quirky person with all his quirky little
interests. Would you talk about "Holocaust Buffs"? Would you? No.
They are serious investigators of a very serious crime which
leads to all sorts of serious understandings about the criminal
nature of the State.
[...to be continued...]
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{1} From *Project Seek* by Gerald A. Carroll (Carson City: 1994,
Bridger House Publishers):
Now, it is difficult to distinguish legal activities from
illegal ones when it comes to business and commerce. Most
banks, whether they realize it or not, launder illegal drug
money to some degree. They can't help it. Drug money serves
to undergird our entire economy, especially when economic
recession strikes. *The* *drug* *business* *never* *sees*
*bad* *times*. If all the illegal drug money were to vanish
tomorrow, our nation would be plunged into a deep economic
depression, as would most of the Western world. [CN -- Our
dollars, once backed by gold, are now backed by drugs.] And
now that Communism no longer carries ideological clout, there
is simply no protection from the exploiters of these
controlled substances, other than conscious efforts from good
people to abstain from using them.
Laws making street drugs illegal today serve only to make the
cost of drugs 200 to 400 times greater than they would be if
they were legal, taxable commodities. Then, drug use and
addiction could be attacked as the social problem that it is,
instead of a full-blown criminal offense. Under current laws,
drug-selling "territories" in large urban areas become war
zones, because the local drug dealers want to keep their
market share up, and their competition down. It is an old-
fashioned economic truth: Once a substance is "illegal," the
price rockets upward, well beyond the normal price for the
substance if it were "legal." Current law benefits the
criminal and no one else.
{2} From *Project Seek* by Gerald A. Carroll (Carson City: 1994,
Bridger House Publishers):
[Quoting from Gemstone Files] "All this dope processing and
shipping is controlled and supervised by [organized crime]
for [organized crime]. Dope arrests and murders are aimed at
independent pushers and maverick peddlers and smugglers who
are competing with, or holding out on, [organized crime].
While Nixon was conducting his noisy campaign against dope
smuggling across the Mexican border, his dope officer in
charge of protecting the [syndicate's] dope trade was E.
Howard Hunt."
[...]
"Still more dope comes from South America -- cocaine, and now
heroin. U.S. aid went to build a highway across Paraguay
(Uruguay?). Useless to the natives, who have no cars; they
use it for sunbathing during the day. All night, airplanes
loaded with cocaine take off from the longest landing strip
in the world -- financed by U.S. tax money for the benefit of
international [syndicate] dope pushers..."
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THE GANGSTER NATURE OF THE STATE
My transcription of a talk by Dr. Michael Parenti. Michael
Parenti received his Ph.D. in political science from Yale
University in 1962. He has taught at a number of colleges and
universities, and is the author of many books, including
*Democracy for the Few* (St. Martin's; sixth edition); *Inventing
Reality: The Politics of News Media* (St. Martin's; second
edition); and *Land of Idols: Political Mythology in America (St.
Martin's). I will include a list of his audio taped lectures at
the end of this transcript.
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MICHAEL PARENTI [continues]:
And this is why they relentlessly -- the mainstream media, and
the opinion leaders and the political leaders of this country --
relentlessly attack or ignore this literature. And this is why
they give fulsome, gushing, ready publicity to the likes of
Gerald Posner, with his book *Case Closed* {3}, which got put
into every major magazine {4}. I couldn't put the TV on all week
without seeing this guy's face and hearing him blather these,
kind of "cliche" statements (whose credibility are dependent on
you being totally ignorant of what the investigators, for 30
years, have been uncovering and the questions they have been
raising), and who did a grotesque, idiotic whitewash of the whole
thing.
And this is why they savaged, they savaged Oliver Stone's movie,
*JFK* -- a movie that was *very* accurate about the specifics of
the murder; a movie that reached *millions* of people, that broke
through that thing that they were keeping down. The only movie in
the history of Hollywood (and I wrote a book called *Make-Believe
Media*, which is about TV and film, so I think I know something
about films -- at least I *did* spend the better part of a year
reading a lot of literature)... It's the *only* movie that I know
of that was attacked 6 months before it was released (in the
*Washington Post* and in the *New York Times* and in *Time* and
in *Newsweek*), and attacked relentlessly for a year after it was
released. {5}.
And this is also why, this past week, they kept up the relentless
propaganda campaign, with the 30th anniversary of the Kennedy
assassination, to show that Oswald was the "lone assassin". And
they're always limiting the question, just as the Warren
Commission did, *a priori*: Was Oswald the "lone assassin"? Did
he act alone? Did he, or did he not, act alone? Meanwhile, all
the serious investigators have a different question -- it's not
that. He [Oswald] was not at *all* one of the people that shot
Kennedy. He did not act at all, although he was involved in
another way: he was involved as a fall guy.
And this is why they do this. If you want to know why, you just
listen to them. It's not *my* analysis, it's what *they* say. The
propagandists of the "right" and the "center" know why they've
got to trash this issue and contain it. Listen to what Tom
Wicker(sp?) of the *New York Times* had to say... Now Tom Wicker
has never written a book review in his life. But when *JFK* came
out, he wrote a book review... I mean, a movie review. (I'm
sorry.) He's never written a movie review in his life. *JFK* came
out, and Tom Wicker, who is a columnist, a Washington columnist
to the *New York Times*, suddenly became a movie reviewer! And
instead of getting the usual movie review length of 800 words, he
got 2,000 words. It's a whole page, with pictures and all that.
And in that review, he tells us that "if the wild assertions in
Oliver Stone's movie are taken at face value, Americans will have
to accept the idea that most of the nation's major institutions
conspired together and carried out Kennedy's murder." (Wicker
goes on), "In an era when mistrust of government and loss of
confidence in institutions -- the press not the least -- are
widespread and virulent, such a suggestion seems a dubious public
service." [audience laughter]
So truth or not truth had nothing to do with it. He's *saying*,
"The question is *institutional* *legitimacy*." Wicker
understands the heart of the matter. A full revelation about the
murder would be a serious attack upon the legitimacy of the
dominant institutions of state and class -- the press, not being
the least of those institutions, a faithful servant of it. The
system that *New York Times'* writers faithfully defend.
Playing before mass audiences, the movie *JFK* did not finger a
"cabal" of malevolent perpetrators, but, in fact, pointed the
finger at the national security state *itself* as the murderer.
Damage control. You know, back in 1978 the House Select Committee
reported, in fact (after an investigation), that there *was* more
than one assassin shooting Kennedy. And there, therefore, was a
conspiracy. In response, the *Washington Post* immediately
editorialized, in 1978: "Could it have been some other
malcontent, who Mr. Oswald met casually?" [audience laughter] (It
gets better. It gets better.) [audience laughter] "Could not as
many as 3 or 4 societal outcasts..." [audience laughter] "...with
no ties to any one organization, have developed in some
spontaneous way..." [audience laughter] "...a common
determination to express their alienation in the killing of
President Kennedy?" [audience laughter, applause] "It is possible
that two persons, acting independently, attempted to shoot the
President at the very same time." [audience laughter]
It is possible. It's not at *all* likely.
So sometimes, those who deny conspiracies create the most
convoluted fantasies of all.
David Garrow, who wrote a biography of Martin Luther King,
benignly, patronizingly, looks at *you*; at "the public mind".
And he says that the evidence pointing to a conspiracy to murder
Martin Luther King... [imitates Garrow] "Uh... No. A large... You
see what it is, a large majority of the American people *do*
believe in assassination conspiracies. That allows events to have
large, mysterious causes, instead of small, idiosyncratic ones."
(I would say the *Washington Post* had the most mysterious cause
of *all*, a few minutes ago.) [audience laughter]
[Resumes imitation of Garrow] "They like that; they like the
large causes."
You see, but the question of conspiracy has to be decided by an
investigation of *evidence*, not by *a priori*, unscientific and
patronizing presumptions about "the public mind".
In any case, the evidence in King's assassination doesn't involve
"large, mysterious causes", but very immediate actualities. And
the investigators, like Peter Dale Scott and Harold Weisberg and
Mark Lane: they weren't "impelled" by some "yearnings", you see?
They were "impelled" by questions of evidence! By things that
just didn't seem to make sense! By very immediate, empirical
things which drew them into this, more and more. But which THESE
PEOPLE, who never READ that evidence, don't have to deal with,
and so they can fashion all these "theories".
The independent investigators demolished the Warren Commission.
The first and most effective, perhaps, was Harold Weisberg, whose
book *Whitewash*... and then the other one, by Mark Lane, *Rush
To Judgement*... right there, terrific. Written 25 years ago.
Let's focus on a small part of the actual conspiracy. I can't,
obviously, go through it all; it would take ages.
Let's start with Oswald. If you watched television this week, you
again, for the 78th time, heard that Oswald was a "loner", an
"incompetent", "not very bright". You heard that he was
"emotionally disturbed". Gerald Posner got on there (turning
instant psychiatrist) and he said, "Lee Harvey Oswald is a very
disturbed young boy. He had a very disturbed childhood. And he
was a 'passive-aggressive.'" [audience laughter]
I said, "[musing] 'passive-aggressive'... A 'passive-aggressive'
assassin?!" [audience laughter] That explains why he used a rifle
that couldn't shoot straight. [audience laughter]
He was also a "leftist" -- Alexander Cockburn has joined the
"right" and the "center" and, in a column in the *Examiner* said
that, he was a "leftist".
The truth is something else. Lee Harvey Oswald, all his I.Q.
tests show he was of above-average intelligence. He was a bright
guy, a quick learner. Oswald, Lee Harvey Oswald, spent most of
his adult life not as a "lonely drifter", but directly linked to
the U.S. Intelligence community. At the age of 18, in the U.S.
Marines, he had secret security clearance, and he was working at
Marine Air Control in Atsugi Base in Japan. (Atsugi was a top-
secret base, where the CIA launched some of its U2 flights and
did other kinds of covert operations in China.) The next year, at
the age of 19, he was assigned to El Toro Air Station, in
California, with security clearance to work radar. And here he
emerged... Certain strange things began to happen. He emerged as
a babbling Russophile and Soviet Communist. He started playing
Russian language records at blast level in his barracks. He
started addressing his fellow marines in Russian. He read Russian
books, and touted Soviet Communism as "the best system in the
world." He called his fellow marines, "Comrades".
Now the U.S. Marine Corps, in 1958 [audience laughter] was not
exactly known as a bastion of liberal tolerance and free thinking
[audience laughter]. My buddy, Bernard Livingstone, wrote a book
called *Closet Red*. He tells of his experiences in the Army,
where they had to filter out anybody who had "funny opinions",
who had pinko-ish opinions or whatever else, they had to be
reported. That the Army constantly (and I'm sure the Marines),
constantly surveilles anyone who might outspokenly or actively
begin to say (or act certainly) in the way he [Oswald] did. But
in this instance, Oswald's Marine commanders "didn't mind". He
kept his security clearance. He kept all the radar records; he
could see what was going in and out, and knew all about the
things that were happening there -- a wealth of sensitive radar
information and other highly sensitive information from sensitive
bases, "black operations", as they were called.
Well if Oswald was a Soviet spy, or a Cuban spy (as some people
now claim), he certainly had a novel way of building a cover.
[audience laughter]
Other odd things began happening: In February 1959, Lee Harvey
Oswald failed the Marine Corps proficiency test in Russian. Six
months later, he was practically fluent in Russian. Only in 1974,
a document that was dislodged from the Warren Commission, that
had been secreted -- thanks to Harold Weisberg's legal efforts,
[he] got the document out. It was shown that Oswald had attended
the U.S. Army Monterey School of Languages. Now Monterey is not
open to anyone who just happens to have a hobby, a language
hobby. You go, only for serious training. And you are sent by the
government and it must be related to government work in a
language *picked* by the government, which is related to specific
assignments.
So Oswald learned Russian at the U.S. Monterey School of
Languages.
Another odd thing: Oswald was given an early discharge from the
Marines, because his mother had injured her foot. [audience
laughter] It's called a "dependency discharge"; that your parent
needs you. A jar had fallen on her toe. [audience laughter] And
he was immediately... He put in the request, and he got it within
a week! His fellow marines were astonished at the velocity of the
release. It also so happened that the jar fell on her foot a year
before the discharge. [audience laughter] But she was having...
It "wasn't healing right", you know?
[...to be continued...]
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{3} Harold Weisberg has written a book that rebuts Posner's *Case
Closed*. The name of Weisberg's book is, I believe, *Case Open*.
{4} Referring to the ridiculous praise absolutely *heaped* on
Posner's *Case Closed*, see for example *Time* magazine, January
3, 1994, page 18 under the heading "1993 Winners & Losers", in
the "Losers" column:
["Losers"] -- JFK Conspiracy Buffs: With the publication of
*Case Closed*, suddenly everyone agrees: Oswald did act
alone.
{5} Stone's movie, *JFK*, had excellent box office receipts. The
movie played for at least *three* *months* in this area. It must
be way up there as one of the all-time most popular movies; if
anyone has any data on this, let me know.
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CONTACT: Carol Moore 202/986-1847
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BRANCH DAVIDIAN MEMORIAL
REPLACES EASTER EGG ROLL
ON ELLIPSE
Washington, D.C.--Organizers of the annual White House
Easter Egg Roll moved part of the event from the Ellipse,
south of the White House, after they discovered the
Committee for Waco Justice would be erecting 82 crosses
there for the Branch Davidians massacred by federal agents
near Waco, Texas in 1993. At the memorial, the Committee
also will display a nine-by-five-foot banner depicting the
fiery destruction of Mount Carmel as well as fly the
Branch Davidian flag.
The Branch Davidian Memorial will be on display Monday,
April 17th from 10:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. It also will be on
display Sunday, April 16, Tuesday, April 18, and Wednesday,
April 19th, from noon to 4:00 p.m.
White House personnel may have been horrified to
discover that the Committee's memorial would force children
and their parents to face the fact that President Bill
Clinton approved the dangerous April 19, 1993 tank and gas
attack on a building filled with 21 children under the age
of 16.
FBI tanks sprayed the Davidian home and church, Mount
Carmel, full of flammable CS gas mixed with a flammable
solvent of methylene chloride. Tanks smashed away at the
building, destroying stairwells and exits, until the
building caught fire.
The FBI attack killed 76 people--21 children, 36 women
and 19 men. There were nine survivors. Bureau of Alcohol,
Tobacco and Firearms agents killed six Davidians during a
brutal February 28, 1993 raid.
The Committee believes that the families visiting the
Easter Egg Roll, just like all American families, have a
right to know that the United States government murdered 82
members of a large, extended family and is covering up that
massacre.
The Committee also will be participating in the April
19th Noon to 2 p.m. demonstration at FBI headquarters, as
well as sponsoring another demonstration at the same
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THE GANGSTER NATURE OF THE STATE
My transcription of a talk by Dr. Michael Parenti. Michael
Parenti received his Ph.D. in political science from Yale
University in 1962. He has taught at a number of colleges and
universities, and is the author of many books, including
*Democracy for the Few* (St. Martin's; sixth edition); *Inventing
Reality: The Politics of News Media* (St. Martin's; second
edition); and *Land of Idols: Political Mythology in America (St.
Martin's). I will include a list of his audio taped lectures at
the end of this transcript.
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MICHAEL PARENTI [continues]:
This was only one of a number of very strangely favorable
treatments that the U.S. government began to give Lee Harvey
Oswald. He then defected to the USSR -- but how? Phillip Melinson
raises the question. To get to Russia in those days would have
cost $1,500. Lee Harvey Oswald's bank account showed a deposit of
only $203. He got (after he arrived in London, and was there), he
left London and went to Helsinki on October 11, on a day when
there were no available commercial flights that would have
allowed him to make it in one day. He had some kind of private
transportation, to get to Helsinki.
In Russia, he announced that he was renouncing his U.S.
citizenship, and that he had lots of secrets that he was going to
give to the Soviets. He even went into the U.S. embassy and
announced that, and made sure they all knew it.
The Soviets didn't bite. They let him stay, but they at no time
thought he could be an agent of any use to them. They kept him
under constant surveillance.
He worked in the factory. He showed no particular interest in
guns, but he belonged to the factory's gun club. He used to join
in the rabbit shoots, and he could never hit the rabbit. Always,
someone had to come behind him and shoot the rabbit while he was
firing. Otherwise, they would've been there all day. It was a
joke. He was a miserable marksman -- as he had been in the U.S.
Marines. He had been flagged, again and again, on the... He had
missed the whole target. [After] a number of times, you get the
flag. So Lee Harvey Oswald showed... [he] couldn't hit the side
of a barn.
Now if Lee Harvey Oswald was really a defector, and not a U.S.
spy, then U.S. Intelligence could well have taken the view that
his was one of the most damaging defections in history. Now
what's done in all defections, especially those connected with...
definitely those connected with government and military, is that
there's a damage assessment. No damage assessment was ever made
on Oswald's defection! This *did* come out, in the Warren
Commission and the House Select Committee. Why was... There was
no damage assessment! Guess it was just overlooked. I don't know.
After two-and-a-half years, he applies to *return* to the U.S.
This is after renouncing his citizenship, announcing he was going
to give away secrets! And instead of being grabbed when he comes
out, and tried as a traitor, the U.S. accepts him back! And he
says that he was never de-briefed! In fact, he was de-briefed, in
Holland, in Amsterdam. But the CIA had no record of de-briefing
him. Doesn't, "doesn't know" who he is, never touched him, was
never near him. And their explanation before the [Warren]
Commission was that "there were so *many* tourists, coming in and
out." That "there was nothing, particularly, about him that would
catch our attention." One might wonder, what is *needed* to catch
your attention!? [audience laughter] A defector, secrets and all
that. [audience laughter]
After the assassination, the CIA claimed that they suspected that
he was a Soviet spy. They still didn't de-brief him. That makes
it *more* curious.
He gets out of Russia, and what does the State Department do?
They give him money. They give him money to travel back to the
U.S. and get set up. They pay all his travel and moving expenses,
and those of his wife! He's given back his passport, with full
rights to travel *anywhere* -- and denounce the U.S. government
again, someplace else! His wife is exempted from usual
immigration quotas -- no waiting. No exclusion for having
belonged to the Soviet Comsymal(?), which was the communist youth
organization. Which is a violation of U.S. immigration laws. Yet
she was allowed in.
Once back in Dallas, Lee Harvey Oswald settles in, under the wing
of one George DeMohrenschildt, a right-wing Russian with CIA
ties. And this begins a whole pattern that goes on in Dallas and
New Orleans: namely, sort of "forays", short-lived forays out
into the public eye as a "leftist". He starts a one-person "Fair
Play for Cuba" organization in New Orleans -- never has another
member! Never recruits another member. All his time in New
Orleans and in Dallas, he never once contacts a single member of
the Communist Party or any other "left" organization. Although...
He writes lots of letters to the Communist Party USA and to the
Socialist Workers Party -- two groups which, at that time,
weren't even talking to each other. [Mimicking Oswald] "Dear
Comrade, How are you? We fight forward, and we go on," "Yes,
what should I do," and this and that. "Send me instructions," you
know. [audience laughter]
He blazes a trail! Local TV, fist fights, inflammatory incidents,
leaflets. One of the leaflets shows that his organization was on
Camp Street, in the very same building that Guy Bannister had his
office. (Guy Bannister was an FBI agent.) And a whole bunch of
other Cuban emigre, right-wing groups were there.
And his personal relations were with right-wing, anti-Communist
Cubans, or with right-wing crypto-fascists or CIA types or
others: George DeMohrenschildt (as I said); David Ferrie, he was
a friend of David Ferrie's; Robert Murrow(sp?), a right-winger.
Very interesting credibility, because Murrow is a right-winger.
He's a businessman who worked for the CIA. And when he was in the
CIA, he was a pilot, and one of the guys he worked with was David
Ferrie. It was known that David Ferrie was CIA. He also knew, Lee
Harvey Oswald knew, Guy Bannister, and knew Clay Shaw.
So while he supposedly was this "leftist"... And if you ever
heard any of the tapes of him speaking and explaining what
communism was and what socialism was, it's laughable. It's this
little rote, superficial thing. While he was a "leftist", in
fact, all his personal associations were with right-wing people
linked to the intelligence community.
He also knew Jack Ruby.
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Now they would have us believe that this man, who couldn't hit
the side of a barn, took a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle (whose sights
were not even set)... An Italian weapon, by the way, which the
Italians said: "The weapon that never killed anyone on purpose."
[audience laughter] -- and he fired and killed the President of
the United States.
[We are asked to believe] that he got a job, just at that time,
at the Texas Book Depository -- three weeks before, when nobody
knew that Kennedy's limousine was gonna pass right in front of
the depository. He got a job right there and... fortuitously,
happened to be up there that day.
[We are asked to believe] that he would forego shooting President
Kennedy when he had a full body shot of him, coming right at him
down Houston street, right toward the Texas Book Depository,
where he could go at him like a shooting gallery that's coming
closer and closer. Perfect. The *ideal* thing. He didn't shoot
him then. He waited until the car turned at a 110-degree angle
down Elm street. And as he went by, and only had his head, and a
little portion of his shoulders. And then, firing through the
trees, he rapidly got off three shots in a few seconds --
something which the best marksmen in the country were not able to
emulate until after much practice and after the sights on the
Mannlicher-Carcano were re-set and brought into a laboratory and
fixed in there. And they had all sorts of remarks to make about
the awful performance of this rifle. (By the way: right through a
tree that was later cut down.)
We are asked to believe that a treasure of physical evidence --
the interior of the limousine, the presidential limousine itself,
which would also have evidence -- bits of shrapnel, whatever
else, from bullet parts, blood, lines of fire -- which was just
"accidentally" taken, instantly torn out, destroyed, and totally
re-built -- that this was *not* a deliberate cover-up.
We're asked to believe that Kennedy's brain just "disappeared".
[We are asked to believe] that the X-ray, which now shows a re-
constructed head, with no exit wound, is, oddly, taken with no
jaw! So it could be anybody's! You can't do any kind of dental
identification to *see* if that X-ray *is* President Kennedy's.
[We are asked to believe] that the autopsy was just botched
innocently.
We're asked to believe that Jack Ruby, a gambler and gangster
with links to the Cuban exiles and an acquaintance of Oswald's,
who once worked for congressman Richard Nixon (for the House
UnAmerican Activities Committee in Chicago, when his name was
still Jack Rubenstein... before he changed it to Ruby)... We're
asked to believe that he just "took it upon himself" to kill
Oswald, because he was so moved by the suffering that Oswald had
caused the Kennedy family. (Although Ruby, later, in jail,
repeatedly kept alluding to the fact that "You don't know the
whole story; there's much more behind all of this; there's
something really deep and sinister here" and all this. And he was
just, simply, dismissed, by a media that was taking its cues.)
We're asked [to believe] that the 21 witnesses -- persons
otherwise related to the case, in some close way, with some
information, privy to some conversations or whatever else -- all
of whom met violent deaths, were part of a colossal coincidence
(like the one the *Washington Post* was talking about.)
[We're asked to believe] that later on, in 1978, the *second*
round of killings that started, after the House Select Committee
investigation -- 16 more, who died violently. They just
"happened" to die, coincidentally, violent deaths. Including, one
of them being George DeMohrenschildt himself: killed by a gun
blast to the head, three hours after a House Assassinations
Committee investigator had tried to contact him. (He was being
set up for an interview... He was being set up for a lot more
than that.)
George DeMohrenschildt was not only close to Oswald, but in his
telephone book there was found an inscription or, I should say an
insert: "To George 'Pappy' Bush". That he was a close friend of
George Bush and there was a correspondence between them.
The Sheriff's Office in Palm County, Florida, found that his
shooting was very strange. And it was ruled a "suicide".
William Sullivan, a third guy in the FBI, who was supposed to
appear before the House committee... By the way: Sullivan was on
CIA (according to Robert Murrow), he was on the CIA payroll. He
was shot right outside his home by a man who claimed to have
mistaken him for a deer. [audience laughter] He was charged with
misdemeanor, and released into the custody of his father, a state
policeman.
[...to be continued...]
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DEATH OF VINCE FOSTER -- UNANSWERED QUESTIONS
[From *The 700 Club*, April 18, 1995]
BEN KINCHLOW:
Joining us now, from Washington, is James Davidson, who is the
editor of the *Strategic Investment Newsletter*, which is one of
the more vocal critics of the Foster investigation.
And thank you very much for joining us, Mr. Davidson.
JAMES DAVIDSON:
My pleasure.
KINCHLOW:
Every detail, *ad nauseum*, of the O.J. Simpson case is front-
page news, seemingly. Why does it seem that the death of a top
White House lawyer has almost dropped off of the media's map?!
DAVIDSON:
You've asked one of the most puzzling questions, which I think
historians, in the future, *will* ask about this crime, which in
my mind is *clearly* a murder which has not been reported. And in
many cases, prominent people in the press *know* that a cover-up
took place.
And I'll give you just an example, which I think is incredibly
important: On April the 4th of last year [1994], the *Wall Street
Journal* ran an article by a woman named Ellen Pollock(sp?),
which claimed that the Fiske investigation of Foster's death
would determine that he was a suicide. And they quoted, by name,
a Mr. Langler(?), who was the deputy to Fiske.
Now what makes this very, very incriminating is that the Senate
Banking Committee, many months later, detailed a chronology of
*when* the Fiske investigation interviewed the witnesses,
obtained the FBI lab reports, and got the independent pathology
reports. Basically, the evidence was only gathered *after* they
had already told the *Wall Street Journal* that they were going
to declare he was a suicide.
It's just as if [Judge] Lance Ito and the jurors in the Simpson
trial had granted an interview to the *Wall Street Journal* a
month before the trial began, and told everybody what the verdict
would be! That is indicative of a very substantial perversion of
the process of investigation.
TERRY MEEUWSEN:
Mr. Davidson, if Foster's death was not a simple suicide, what
other potential scenario may have occurred, in your opinion?
DAVIDSON:
Well I'm not in a position to explain *why* he was murdered, or
by whom. But I can certainly tell you that the evidence that has
been gathered does not make any sense. You saw parts of a tape
that has been prepared, which we invite anybody to look at (and I
hope that many, many people do.) Because we need to bring
pressure, right now, on the *current* investigation. Because Mark
Touhy(sp?), who is the assistant special prosecutor under Mr.
Starr, has been compromising this investigation. *Three* of the
top investigators who are working on this case have *resigned*,
recently, because they were frustrated and [were] refused
permission to call witnesses before the grand jury and collect
evidence.
I think we're in the process of having yet *another* cover-up of
this man's murder.
And the evidence that he was murdered is *really* overwhelming --
the forensic evidence. This is another thing: when we talked
about the press, and why they haven't reported this -- seven or
eight of the top forensic experts in this country have testified
that the pattern of powderburns on Foster's fingers is not
consistent with suicide. Nysad Hyub(?) of the Lethal Force
Institute said, "Inconsistent with what both experience and logic
show us to be true of a suicidal person."
Dr. Richard Mason, who is a pathologist for Santa Cruz,
California, says, "It doesn't make any sense."
Martin Thatchler(sp?), head of the U.S. Army's Wounds Ballistic
Laboratory for many years, said, "If you have to ask, 'Is this an
indication of foul play?'" He says, "Yeah. Maybe it is."
Robert Tawber(sp?), who was the firearms expert for the FBI SWAT
team for many years, said, "I never heard of anyone gripping a
gun like this."
You go down the line: very, very powerful forensic evidence shows
that he [Foster] could not have fired the gun.
There are other, very strong bits of evidence that have been
testified to, under affidavit. An Arkansas State Trooper named
Roger Perry has testified in an affidavit and *told* the English
press that he received a phone call from the White House at 5:30
[p.m.] Arkansas time [6:30 p.m. Washington, DC], on the day
Foster died, from a woman who is Chelsea Clinton's nanny, who was
*hysterical* because, she said that Vincent Foster was dead in
the parking lot of the White House!
Now these are very important clues that need to be investigated.
There was a photograph that was released, on ABC News, that
showed Foster's hand, in a gun, with the trigger guard caught
around his thumb. And it shows, clearly, a lot of thick
vegetation around Foster's body. Yet the positioning of his body
in the police reports and in the Fiske report put his body in a
place where there was *no* vegetation. Experts have gone to that,
to the park, and examined the vegetation photographed *in* that
photograph. And they testified that *no* vegetation like that
grows anywhere *near* where the police said his body was found!
You go down this list of anomalies: *Why* is his body covered,
head to toe, with carpet fibers? There were no carpets on that
park!
I think that the evidence is very clear that he was murdered, and
his murder is being covered up for reasons of political
convenience. And this makes the O.J. Simpson trial pale down to
the size of a pimple, as compared to a cancer. This is a very,
very important issue, and every American listening to this
broadcast should write to your congressman and *insist* that the
truth be told, regardless of what the consequences are in terms
of political fallout.
KINCHLOW:
Mr. Davidson, let me ask you just one final question here (we're
running out of time). But I just... There are people who say that
this is simply more of the conspiracy-type theories, and you
ought to let the man rest in peace. And some of your critics say
you're simply *inventing* conspiracy theories about Foster.
Would you please respond to that, in about a minute?
DAVIDSON:
I'd be glad to debate anybody who claims that they have evidence
that Foster is a suicide, and just look, specifically, point by
point, at the evidence. If Fiske, in his report, or Touhy, in his
current cover-up, were to come forward with explicit, rational
answers for the amazing anomalies and evidence that *show* that
he was murdered, then I would say, "Well fine. Then he was
murdered... if he was a suicide, that is."
The reason that I'm upset about this is because I believe we're
seeing happening to the United States what has happened to Mexico
and other countries: where prominent people, even top government
officials, can be murdered if they know something that
compromises somebody in power. And that's it! They just cover it
up and they go on about their business as if it never happened!
KINCHLOW:
Mr. James Davidson, thank you very much. We've interviewed the
editor of the *Strategic Investment Newsletter*. Thank you for
being with us. It was a pleasure to have you with us today.
DAVIDSON:
My pleasure.
MEEUWSEN:
Very interesting.
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THE GANGSTER NATURE OF THE STATE
My transcription of a talk by Dr. Michael Parenti. Michael
Parenti received his Ph.D. in political science from Yale
University in 1962. He has taught at a number of colleges and
universities, and is the author of many books, including
*Democracy for the Few* (St. Martin's; sixth edition); *Inventing
Reality: The Politics of News Media* (St. Martin's; second
edition); and *Land of Idols: Political Mythology in America (St.
Martin's). I will include a list of his audio taped lectures at
the end of this transcript.
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[...continued...]
MICHAEL PARENTI [continues]:
Sam Giancano... who died from "natural causes" when his heart
stopped beating after a bullet went through it, [audience
laughter] one day before he was to testify about mob and CIA
connections, and *while* under government protection!
And by the way, what comes out of this whole thing is the
incredible linkages between the CIA and mob "families", and mob
figures... again and again. Because, after all, the mob is very
functional. They can do the kind of dirty things that the CIA may
sometimes want them to do.
Well I have a whole bunch of other things, and I find that I've
run out of time. I can't believe it. But... [audience
disappointment]... The people have spoken. The people have
spoken.
There are even some on the "left", like Noam Chomsky and
Alexander Cockburn, who argue that this whole interest in the
assassination comes from a "Kennedy revival", a "Camelot
yearning", a yearning for a "lost Messiah". I'm giving quotes;
these are quotes, right from Chomsky.
Cockburn and Chomsky and others have argued that Kennedy... They
challenge the notion that Kennedy was assassinated for intending
to withdraw from Vietnam, or un-do the CIA, or end the Cold War.
These things could not have led to his downfall, because they
were "not true". Kennedy was a "cold warrior, a counter-insurgent
who wanted a military withdrawal from Vietnam only *with*
victory." I have argued similarly in my book, *Democracy for the
Few*, that, in fact, indeed, Kennedy was a cold warrior and a
counter-insurgent and that he should not be romanticized as a
progressive.
Chomsky, Cockburn and others claim that the change of
administration that came with JFK's assassination had *no* large-
scale effect on policy, not even on tactics. In other words, if
Kennedy had lived, he likely would have fabricated a Tonkin Gulf
*causus belli* [cause of war]. He would have introduced ground
troops in the massive land war, as Lyndon Johnson did. He would
have engaged in the merciless B-52 carpet bombings of Laos,
Cambodia and Vietnam, as Richard Nixon did. He would've risked
destroying his own electoral base, proving himself a mass-
murderer as bad as Nixon. {6}.
Chomsky and Cockburn don't tell us *how* they know that. All *we*
know is, the one surviving Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, in fact went
a different way. He became an anti-war, critic. He opposed the
war. He broke with the Johnson administration. And he said that
his brother's administration, his administration had committed
terrible mistakes.
The evidence we *do* have, in fact, is that John Kennedy observed
Cambodian neutrality, negotiated a cease-fire and coalition
government in Laos (which the CIA refused to honor; they
preferred to back a right-wing faction that continued the war.)
Chomsky says much about troop withdrawal; he just wrote a whole
book on this: *Camelot Revisited* and all that. But he says very
little about troop escalation! Other than to offer Roger
Hillsman's(sp?) speculation that Kennedy "might well have"
introduced U.S. troops, ground troops, into South Vietnam.
Maybe so, maybe not. In fact, the same Hillsman noted in the *New
York Times* not long ago (and Chomsky *doesn't* note it) that in
1963, Kennedy was the only person in his administration who
opposed the introduction of U.S. ground troops. He was the only
thing preventing an *escalation* of the war. Forget the question
of withdrawal or not withdrawal. He *was* a barrier, in that
sense. {7}.
Whether or not there are certain "left" analysts who think
Kennedy was or wasn't a progressive or liberal, and think that
the CIA had no reason to kill him, or other people had no reason
to be dissatisfied with him, the fact is, do *they* see it that
way. You know, entrenched interests are notorious for not seeing
the world the same way that "left" analysts do. [audience
laughter]
In 1963, people in right-wing circles, including elements in
various intelligence organizations, did *not* believe that
Kennedy could be trusted with the nation's future. Some months
ago, on a San Francisco talk show I heard a guy come on -- it was
on KGO -- and he said, "I've never said this before. I never said
it; this is the first time I'm saying it. But I worked for Army
Intelligence. And in 1963, I was in Japan. And when he... And the
accepted word around then was that Kennedy would be killed
because he was messing too much with the intelligence community.
And when word came of his death, we were... all I could hear were
delighted comments like, 'We got the bastard.'"
Well JFK's enemies saw something. What *they* saw was something
*different* from what Chomsky and Cockburn have seen. They fixed
on Kennedy's refusal to provide air coverage at the Bay of Pigs;
his refusal to go in with U.S. forces; his unwillingness to
launch another invasion of Cuba; his "no invasion" guarantee to
Kruschev on Cuba; his Atmospheric Test Ban Treaty with Moscow;
his American University speech, calling for re-examination of our
Cold War attitudes toward the Soviet Union; his unwillingness to
send ground forces, in a massive form, into Vietnam; his anti-
trust suit against General Electric; his fight with U.S. Steel
over price increases; his challenge to the Federal Reserve board;
his warm reception at labor conventions; his call for racial
equality, and responsiveness to civil rights leaders -- reluctant
responsiveness; his talk of moving forward, in a "new frontier".
Irwin Nole(sp?), of *The Progressive*, says that "he admits he
has no idea who killed Kennedy." But this doesn't keep him from
asserting that the Oliver Stone film "was manipulative and that
Stone provided false answers" -- How do you know *that*, Irwin,
if you have no idea who killed Kennedy?
And the remarkable thing about Irwin Nole and Noam Chomsky and
Alexander Cockburn is *they* *don't* *know* *a* *damn* *thing*
*about* the criticisms and investigations that's been made.
[audience applause] We've said this, again and again. And the
rebuttals and the exchange in *The Nation* -- almost every one of
them said, "Alexander Cockburn doesn't *know* anything about this
case. He doesn't *know* anything about Lee Harvey Oswald." Or,
"He doesn't *know*..." just some of the questions *I've* brought
up. They don't know...
And they never deny it! They never say anything. They go on with
their patronizing comments... Well -- Chomsky: patronization and
condescension; Cockburn: with vitriol and venom -- they go on
attacking those who, supposedly, are idealizing Kennedy.
Irwin Nole shows he's "flexible", though. He says "he allows that
the Warren Commission did a hasty, slipshod job of
investigation" -- I disagree. The [Warren] Commission did a
*brilliant* job of investigation. It sat for 51 long sessions,
over a period of several months; much longer than *most* major
investigations. It compiled 26 volumes of testimony and evidence.
It had the investigative resources of the FBI and CIA at its
command. Far from being "hasty and slipshod", it painstakingly
crafted theories that moved toward its fore-ordained conclusion:
that Oswald was the assassin. It framed an argument, and moved
unfailingly to fulfill that argument. It failed to call witnesses
who saw something different from what it wanted to hear; who saw
-- who not only heard, but who *saw* -- people on the grassy
knoll, shooting. It failed to call them! It ignored, or re-
interpreted, what little conflicting testimony that *did* creep
into its proceedings. All this took *deliberate* *effort*! It was
carefully crafted -- painstakingly. A "hasty, slipshod
investigation" would show traces of *randomness* in its errors --
some would go this way, some would go that way. But the [Warren]
Commission's distortions consistently move in the same direction,
in pursuit of a pre-figured hypothesis.
[...to be continued...]
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{6} "...a mass-murderer as bad as Nixon." The post office will
soon be issuing a Nixon stamp. You may not wish to have anything
to do with such a Nixon stamp. Don't get caught by any tricks
where, when you go to buy stamps, they tell you that the only
stamp currently available is the Nixon stamp.
{7} Regarding the question of whether Kennedy was going to de-
escalate or withdraw U.S. forces from Vietnam: According to a
column in the *Washington Times*, National Weekly Edition (April
17-23, 1995), by Wesley Pruden ("Trying to Clean Up the Meat
Grinder"), Robert McNamara in his latest book is saying that (as
Pruden paraphrases McNamara) "...if JFK had survived, he would
have withdrawn U.S. troops after concluding that South Vietnam
would never be able to defend itself." So, if Pruden is reading
McNamara correctly, McNamara has now publicly stated that, yes,
Kennedy *would* *have* withdrawn U.S. forces from Vietnam.
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[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put
out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up
the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]
Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts,
9800 South Oglesby.
On the Oklahoma bombing, the news fakers are not telling us the
truth, and are not making sense of the pertinent facts. They fail
to ask: If there *is* a conspiracy, *who* *benefits*, huh?
ITEM: The location is the most *unprotected* federal office
building in the nation.
ITEM: It was a demolition-type project, with the blast directed
upward, rather than side-to-side. Question: Were explosives
already inserted in some of the building pillars, huh?
ITEM: State and federal law enforcement were informed several
days previous that so-called "mideast types" were headed for
Oklahoma City to carry out some possible terrorism. Despite that,
no precautions were taken.
ITEM: Contained in the building were secret records of the Bureau
of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, relating to the Waco holocaust.
The bombing, coming on the second anniversary of Waco, tended to
be falsely blamed on the Branch Davidians. The BATF records
destroyed in the bombing tended to incriminate Clinton and U.S.
attorney general Janet Reno for murder in Waco.
ITEM: At the time of the bombing, the Whitewater independent
prosecutor was considering whether to indict First Lady Hillary
for federal crimes of embezzling large sums from federally-
insured banks and savings & loans. In the weeks prior to the
bombing, confidence in the Clinton White House was slipping away
-- Clinton: unable to deal with the collapse of the dollar;
Congress against him, and such. The public tends to rally around
the flag, however, and support the central government... with
Clinton and Janet Reno announcing they "are sending in *all*
*kinds* of emergency teams and counter-terrorism experts" to
Oklahoma City.
ITEM: The ultra-rich who installed Clinton have benefited from
him being there. To protect *their* financial interest and
investment *in* Clinton, they have arranged to "suicide" (that
is, murder) Clinton White House aide Vincent Foster, jr. Also
murdered have been *30* eyewitnesses to crimes Bill and Hillary
committed as a CIA couple: the spy agency siphoning off money
from some thirty savings and loans, making them defunct, with the
connivance of Bill and Hillary -- including, reportedly, San
Jacinto Savings & Loan in Texas. (The spy agency being the
"Cocaine Import Agency" [CIA], using the airport at Mena,
Arkansas.)
The Rockefellers and others like them have set off wars and
depressions costing *millions* of lives! Why would they hesitate
to bomb an unprotected federal office building to promote their
"New World Order", huh?
ITEM: Is it just a coincidence that Oklahoma is right near
Rockefeller-dominated Arkansas?
ITEM: Some years ago, 4-thousand pages of highly-secret BATF
documents fell into our possession, proving that agency has a
long history of bombings and violence to block dissident
movements. For example, during the anti-Vietnam War period, BATF
supplied explosives and bombers to blow up a church in suburban
Elgin [,Illinois] -- at the time, site of peace meetings. Our
chairman was the first speaker at the church *after* it was re-
built. The BATF, according to the documents, was active in
planning for the CIA assassination of Fred Hampton, head of the
Illinois Black Panther Party.
ITEM: Forces in with George Bush still control the Clinton
Justice Department. They have an interest to protect Iranian
terrorists. Because? -- of the October Surprise scenario.
*And*, what can *you* do? Call up your local news fakers and tell
them to stop kidding us about who benefits from this bombing,
huh?
Just another story, suppressed by the liars and whores of the
press.
In Chicago, see us on cable tv, channel 21, 9 pm [cst] most
Monday evenings.
Play it again: "The History of Bombing and Provocateurs". (312)
731-1505.
New message Monday; we change it several times a week.
Donations appreciated. Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the
Courts, 9800 South Oglesby, Chicago, [Illinois] 60617. For the
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SUMMARY OF INFO FROM CITIZENS' COMMITTEE -- APRIL 20, 1995
On April 20, 1995, I interviewed, by telephone, Mr. Sherman
Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts
[CCCC]. The following is my summary of that interview.
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Before beginning the summary of my recent interview, a late-
breaking item I got via shortwave (penetrating the cone of
silence over Champaign, Illinois) has it that, according to a
seismograph at the University of Oklahoma, *two* "seismic
disturbances", coinciding with the Oklahoma City bomb blast, were
registered. The *two* "seismic events" occurred seven seconds
apart and are indicative of there having been *two* bomb blasts.
(Note: Do not be intimidated by typical knee-jerk denials,
disguised as intellectual techno-speak and designed to confuse us
mere mortals.)
The info on the University of Oklahoma seismographic data was
broadcast on WWCR, 5.065 Mhz, 7 pm - 8 pm cst, on a show called
"Intelligence Report".
After monitoring Skolnick's recorded commentary on the Oklahoma
bomb blast, I phoned the offices of the Citizens' Committee and
was fortunate to talk with Mr. Skolnick himself.
According to Skolnick, a *demolition-type* charge was designed to
take out the nine floors. He has consulted with engineering
experts who confirm this.
The building was almost entirely unprotected. "Someone could have
got in there the night before and drilled some holes [in] the
concrete-reinforced pillars and put in some plastique." There are
indications that someone blew up the pillars.
Was there a parking garage in the building? If so, a vehicle
could've got in there -- a car or a truck bomb.
The April 19th date of the blast provides a *false* *trail* to
the Branch Davidians and/or to militia groups.
I asked about possible Arab involvement. "I think that's another
smokescreen," replied Skolnick. So, whoever did this has got two
false trails, leading to two potential "patsies": Arabs and
"angry white males".
According to Skolnick, if the Iranians are involved, they could
get away with it because former President Bush's people still
comprise 70 percent or more of the Clinton Justice Department.
Because of the October Surprise imbroglio, the Justice Department
would be likely to act to protect Bush as well as other people
still holding high office in the U.S. government. "If Iranians
did it, George Bush forces would be inclined to cover that up,"
claims Skolnick.
Clinton is a stooge for larger financial interests. So, "in order
to keep him there and use him for their financial gain, they do
certain things... They *apparently* have an interest in some of
this violence [for example, the murders of witnesses connected to
the Whitewater behemoth of scandals]... And Clinton is a puppet.
He knows who's pulling the strings... But the one's who are
pulling the strings don't necessarily tell him, 'Look. We're
gonna have to commit some terrible violence to change around the
focus of America away from the falling dollar, and the hang-up in
Congress, and all this budget problem.'"
Skolnick adds that, "Financial experts that I talk to (that see
your stories, worldwide, by the way, and have gotten to know me),
they claim that we're reaching a possible 'panic point' with the
drop of the dollar as against the yen and the deutschmark. And
that, therefore, all these things seem to be converging."
Skolnick's sources inform him that April-May is often a
particularly volatile period in the financial markets.
"Whoever is behind the bombing has got a number of things. And
like the murder of JFK in Dallas, there are a number of false
trails; they may come up with one or two 'patsies' who quickly
will be either jailed, or murdered in the jail."
"I mean," continues Mr. Skolnick, "there's Rush Limbaugh stirring
up people; I heard him on the radio today. He's saying, 'Well, if
some other country authorized this -- even if we're not sure
about it -- we should bomb them away.' Geez. I mean, we got
weirdos out there that are trying to direct foreign policy. And
Clinton is powerless and so the country is going, like, without a
captain."
Who benefits? "The bombing *does* tend to get people patriotic
and support the central government."
"They're coming to a decision, *soon*, whether Hillary is or is
not going to be indicted. And so right while *that's* boiling,
this federal building blows up."
"Various people are wondering what Constitutional rights we will
have to surrender, in order to feel 'more safe' in public
buildings, you know."
And, in fact, the Intelligence Report [WWCR, 5.065 Mhz, 7 pm cst]
suggested this same thing on their April 20th broadcast: that
there will be a push toward a national I.D. card so that we can
"protect our borders". Like in old movies out of World War II,
the secret police will be demanding, "Where are your papers? You
know, you *must* have your papers!"
Nothing new under the sun: "There seems to be a vast cover-up
(I'm sorry to say)," says Skolnick, "similar to the murder of
Kennedy. They're searchin' round for a patsy; they're gonna
deliver him up to the television in time for the evening news or
something."
"They're trying to put this image in the public mind that, you
know, that 'Arab-Americans are dangerous.' And some Arab-
Americans have gotten on the radio, and so on, and said that they
are as loyal as any other American."
"The other thing is, remember what the fire chief in Oklahoma
City said. And the press -- the TV *used* it, but they didn't
make anything of it. And he said that, on the Friday prior to the
bombing, that he and the police chief and the FBI people in
Oklahoma City *all* *knew*, from certain sources, that three or
more 'mideast types' were on the way to Oklahoma City to do some,
something that might be dangerous. In other words, terrorism.
*Yet*, there was no precautions made."
The media stories are not put together to make any sense.
"They're like a 'big blob'; some 'mysterious force' out there is
threatening all Americans. And I guess they want it like that, so
that Americans will approve of some 'iron fist', some repression
against them."
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SUMMARY OF INFO FROM CITIZENS' COMMITTEE -- APRIL 23, 1995
On April 23, 1995, I interviewed, by telephone, Mr. Sherman
Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts
[CCCC]. The following is my summary of that interview.
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For starters, let me say that the following is my report of what
Mr. Skolnick says; I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or portions of the following. Mr. Skolnick's direct
statements are marked off by quotation marks. All else is either
my own paraphrasing of Mr. Skolnick's statements or my own
personal comments, et cetera.
[Mr. Skolnick's statements are in quotes.]
"Sixteen indictments were handed up from the federal grand jury
in Little Rock on Monday, the 17th. April 17th. The indictments
were sealed."
"Of those, we feel assured of the names of three of them, of the
defendants."
"Ordinarily, in more routine matters, indictments are sealed for
24 to 48 hours, so as to give the FBI and others a chance to find
the defendants, serve the papers on 'em and arrest them, so that
the defendants would then have to come... have to be brought to
make bail bond and have a date set for an arraignment. That's the
process."
"In other, more controversial cases, they're sealed by order of
the chief judge of the district court of that district --
political cases, controversial cases -- which are then only
released under the direction of the chief judge of the Justice
Department. That is the arrangement."
"There have been instances where indictments have been kept
sealed for as many as 70 years. Of course, that's a little
ridiculous. But they tried to do the same thing regarding the
indictment of Richard Nixon. He *was* indicted, and in *that*
case it was *more* than that: the grand jury was ordered to take
it back (which is illegal, to order the grand jury to do that)."
"But anyway, these 16 indictments were handed up from the grand
jury on or about April 17th of this year."
"Those indicted were: Jim 'Guy' Tucker, the Arkansas Governor
(the Lieutenant Governor has already told us that he is, more or
less, already the Governor...); the second one is Thomas 'Mack'
McLarty, former White House Chief of Staff, currently White House
counsel, and former CEO of ARKLA, the natural gas public utility
-- Oklahoma-Arkansas-and Louisiana; and the third indictment (of
the 16 [indicted]) is Hillary Rodham Clinton, on two counts: bank
fraud and obstruction of justice."
"The obstruction of justice count is based on, she ordered White
House aide Foster's office to be cleared out and the contents to
be delivered to her private quarters in the White House. (Webster
Hubbell was involved in that.) She ordered them thereafter to
destroy those records, which were being sought at the time by a
federal magistrate in Little Rock, in the David Hale case. And
she apparently believed that Hubbell *had* destroyed it [i.e.,
the records]. When Hubbell resigned from the third person in the
Justice Department, he later was facing indictment and made a
plea bargain with Kenneth Starr, the independent prosecutor. And
to avoid jail, he turned those records over to the grand jury."
"And so, she was indicted on the second count, of obstruction of
justice."
"She's now facing a third count, to be added to the indictment,
based on Kenneth Starr, over this weekend, taking the sworn
statement of both the President and the First Lady. And she
apparently will be caught or has been caught with perjury. And so
there will most likely be a third count to the indictment."
"Those are the three defendants, of the sixteen. Others, of the
defendants, are reportedly also present or recent White House
personnel that are involved in Clinton's problems. Sixteen in
all."
NBC Nightly News, on Saturday, April 22nd, had a brief mention
that Starr had visited the White House and taken sworn testimony
from Bill and Hillary.
According to Skolnick, one of the counts against Hillary is
related to alleged bank fraud involving Madison Guaranty Savings
& Loan.
"The bank fraud count of the indictment against her, Hillary,
involves mis-application of somewhere between $47 and $60
million, or causing the loss thereof to the government, in
respect to a federally-insured financial institution."
"And I think you know what's involved there: involved there is
what we've already been working on for some time -- to try to
patch that [Hillary's alleged bank fraud] up, the clandestine
transfer, from Chicago, of $50 million from an RTC contingency
fund, which the major claim on the fund was Joseph Andreuccetti.
And that was taken out from under him, so to speak, and
transferred to Little Rock to *try* to cover up the very thing
for which Hillary, reportedly, has now been indicted! Bank
fraud."
[My interview with Joseph Andreuccetti will appear in issue #1 of
the Conspiracy Nation Newsletter. Address inquiries on how to get
a copy of the Conspiracy Nation Newsletter to bigxc@prairienet.org]
How long are they going to keep these indictments sealed?
"In the ordinary course of things, the chief judge in that
district *might* have unsealed them a few days thereafter [i.e.,
a few days after Monday, April 17th]. But two days thereafter, of
course, as we all know, there was the bombing of the Murrah
Federal Building in Oklahoma City."
"One of the 3 that have been arrested *or* suspected or accused
[in connection with the bomb blast], is reportedly an undercover
operative of the Drug Enforcement Agency. If the government is
confronted with this fact -- as they may [be] -- they *may* say
that this is one of their people that 'ran out of control' and
that they are not responsible for him having bombed the federal
building."
[...to be continued...]
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BILL CLINTON ON *60 MINUTES*
President Clinton was interviewed on the CBS program, *60
Minutes*, on April 23, 1995. Following is my summary. My comments
are indented and in brackets.
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STEVE CROFT:
Mr. President, you said this afternoon that our one duty to the
victims and the families is "to purge ourselves of the dark
forces which gave rise to this evil."
Can you bring the country up to date on the status of the
investigation?
BILL CLINTON:
[Hems and haws. Usual type answer about how he thinks law
enforcement is doing a great job, that the investigation is
ongoing, et cetera.]
[CN -- Clinton does not answer as to, what exactly are the
"dark forces" he is referring to.]
STEVE CROFT:
...it seems almost certain now that this is "home-grown
terrorism"; that the enemy is, in fact, within. How do we respond
to that?
BILL CLINTON:
Well, we have to arrest the people who did it, we have to put
them on trial, we have to convict them and punish them. I
certainly believe that they should be executed...
[...]
[Clinton calls for "a review and reform of the *habeas corpus*
provisions because it should not take 8 or 9 years and 3 trips to
the Supreme Court to finalize, in fact, whether a person was
properly convicted or not."]
MIKE WALLACE:
...Are we Americans going to have to give up some of our
liberties in order better to combat terrorism? Both from overseas
and here?
BILL CLINTON:
Mike, I don't think we have to give up our liberties, but I do
think we have to have more discipline. And we have to be willing
to see serious threats to our liberties properly investigated. I
have sent a "counter-terrorism" piece of legislation to Capitol
Hill, which I hope Congress will pass. And after consultation
with the attorney general and the FBI director and others, I'm
going to send some *more* legislation to Congress to ask them to
give the FBI and others *more* power to crack these terrorist
networks -- both domestic and foreign.
[CN -- *What* domestic "terrorist networks"?? What "domestic
terrorist networks" is he talking about? No one has been tried.
No one has been found guilty.]
[...]
LESLIE STAHL:
[Ms. Stahl had spent the day with the Michigan Militia.] What I
kept hearing from the militiamen there, and I gather this is true
among all these so-called "patriots", is the Waco incident. It
seems to be their battle cry, it's their cause. They say that the
feds went into a religious compound to take people's guns away.
They say no federal official was ever punished; no one was ever
brought to trial.
I'm just wondering if you have any second thoughts about the way
that raid was carried out?
BILL CLINTON:
[irate] Let me remind you what happened at Waco and before that
raid was carried out. *Before* *that* *raid* was carried out,
those people *murdered* a bunch of innocent law-enforcement
officials who worked for the federal government. Before there was
any raid, there were *dead* federal law-enforcement officials on
the ground.
And when that raid occurred, it was the people who *ran* their
"cult compound" at Waco who murdered their own children. *Not*
the federal officials. *They* made the decision to *destroy* all
those children that were there.
And I think that to make those people heroes after what they did
-- *killing* our innocent federal officials and then *killing*
their own children -- is evidence of what is *wrong*...
I cannot believe that any serious, patriotic American can believe
that the conduct of those people at Waco justifies the kind of
outrageous behavior we've seen here in Oklahoma City, or the kind
of inflammatory rhetoric that we're hearing all across the
country today. It's wrong.
[CN -- I don't wish to digress into a study of what actually
happened near Waco, Texas from Feb. 28 to April 19, 1993. For
those wishing to learn more about the Waco tragedy, I recommend
a booklet that may still be available from The Committee for
Waco Justice (Phone: 202/986-1847 202/797-9877) entitled "The
Massacre of the Branch Davidians". Also recommended, "Holocaust
in Waco" by Stephen Cox and R.W. Bradford in the June 1993
issue of *Liberty* magazine. Also recommended, "Gunning for
Koresh" by Daniel Wattenberg in the August 1993 issue of *The
American Spectator*.]
[CN -- My personal opinion in this matter is that Clinton is
incredibly wrong in his statements in the above 4 paragraphs in
which he talks about Waco. Being somewhat familiar with the
case, my jaw drops in amazement that this man, the President of
the United States, can be saying these things. Clinton is so
*hugely* wrong about Waco in his above statements, that one
does not know where to begin in critiquing what he has said.
Read the recommended articles (above), then re-read what
Clinton has said and draw your own conclusion.]
LESLIE STAHL:
But Mr. President, there are tens -- maybe more -- tens of
thousands of men and women, dressing up on week-ends in military
garb, going off for training, because they're upset about Waco --
despite what you've said. We're talking about thousands and
thousands of people in this country who are *furious* at the
federal government for what *you* say is irrational -- but *they*
believe it.
BILL CLINTON:
Well they have a right to believe whatever they want. They have a
right to say whatever they want. They have a right to keep and
bear arms. They have a right to put on uniforms and go out on the
weekends.
They do not have the right to kill innocent Americans. They do
not have the right to violate the law. And they do not have the
right to take the position that if somebody comes to arrest them
for violating the law, they're perfectly justified in killing
them.
[CN -- No one has gone to trial. No one has been found guilty.
Yet Clinton here as much as declares "them" guilty. Who are
"they"? When Clinton says "they" do not have the right to kill
innocent Americans, does he mean the Branch Davidians? Or does
he mean law-abiding militia members? In the context of his
statement, he can only be referring to militia members. Yet
bear in mind: no one has been tried; no one has been found
guilty. At best, Clinton's statement is incredibly
irresponsible. At worst, Clinton knows full well the
implications of what he has said.]
[CN -- This man is the President of the United States???]
[...to be continued...]
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BILL CLINTON ON *60 MINUTES*
President Clinton was interviewed on the CBS program, *60
Minutes*, on April 23, 1995. Following is my summary. My comments
are indented and in brackets.
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[...continued...]
STEVE CROFT:
Mr. President, you have some personal history, yourself, with
right-wing, paramilitary groups. When you were Governor of
Arkansas, you considered proposing a law that would have outlawed
paramilitary operations. Do you still feel that way? And what, if
anything, should be done? Do we have the "tools"? What should be
done to counteract this threat?
BILL CLINTON:
Well let me say, first of all, what I have done today. I've
renewed my call to Congress to pass the "anti-terrorism
legislation" that's up there, that I've sent. I have determined
to send some more legislation to the [Capitol] Hill that will
strengthen the hand of the FBI and other law enforcement officers
in cracking terrorist networks, both domestic and foreign...
[CN -- Question to Bill Clinton or to any of his army of spies
that may be monitoring this: can you, through any of your
channels, please clarify this statement, i.e., exactly *what*
"domestic terrorist networks" is President Clinton referring
to?]
When I was Governor of Arkansas (this was over 10 years ago now),
we became sort of a "campground" for some people who had pretty
extreme views [CN -- like Oliver North, for example?] One of them
was a tax resister who had killed people in another state, who
subsequently killed a sheriff who was a friend of mine, and who
was himself killed. One was the man, Mr. Snell, who was just
executed a couple of days ago (who killed a state trooper in cold
blood who was a friend of mine and a servant of our state), and
got the death penalty when I was Governor. One was a group of
people who had, among them, women and children, but also two men
wanted on murder warrants. And thank God, we were able to
quarantine their compound, and that was all resolved peacefully.
But I have dealt with this extensively, and I know the potential
problems that are there. I don't want to interfere with anybody's
Constitutional rights. But people do *not* have a right to
violate the law and do *not* have a right to encourage people to
kill law enforcement officials, and do not have the right to take
the position that if a law enforcement officer simply tries to
see them about whether they violated a law or not, they can blow
him to Kingdom Come. That is *wrong*.
[CN -- Certainly no one should be killing *anyone* in cold
blood. But *who*, exactly, has advocated this? Clinton has set
up a straw man and then knocked it down. Individuals have the
God-given right to defend themselves, but Clinton has twisted
this around to something else, something that no one, to my
knowledge, is advocating.]
[...]
I *do* want to say to the American people, though, we should all
be careful about the kind of *language* we use and the kind of
incendiary talk we have. We never know who's listening, or what
impact it might have. So we need to show some restraint and
discipline here because of *all* the people in this country that
*might* be on edge, and might be capable of doing something like
this horrible thing in Oklahoma City.
[CN -- So is Clinton saying that he wants me to shut down
Conspiracy Nation? It's not clear to me what he's saying. I
operate under the assumption that there is still a first
amendment in this country. If this is not so, then Clinton
should stop beating around the bush. What do you mean, Mr.
President? Your message is vague. Are you "testing the waters"?]
...We have been working hard to try to get the legal support we
need to move against terrorism, to try to make sure that we can
find out who's doing these kind of things *before* they strike.
But I do think that there's some other things that we can do...
[...]
MIKE WALLACE:
CBS News had a report late this afternoon (and I don't know
whether you're familiar with it) about a man by the name of Mark
Koernke, from the Michigan militia, who apparently *sent* *a*
*fax*, a memo, to congressman Steve Stockman of Texas, who held
onto it for awhile and finally sent it to the NRA. And then the
NRA held it -- and it was important information, apparently! --
held it for 24 hours, before they sent it on to the FBI. Can you
shed any light on that?
BILL CLINTON:
No, I can't shed any light on that. I don't want to do, or say,
anything that would impair our investigation in this case...
[...]
The other thing I think we can do... is to ask the American
people who are out there just tryin' to keep everybody torn up
and upset all the time, purveying hate, and implying at least
with words, that "violence is all right", to consider the
implications of their words, and to call them on it. We *do* have
free speech in this country. And we have very broad free speech
and I support that. But I think free speech runs two ways. And
when people are irresponsible with their liberties, they ought to
be "called up short", and they ought to be talked down by other
Americans. And we need to "expose" these people for what they're
doing. This is *wrong*. This is wrong. You never know whether
there's some fragile person out there who's about to "tip over
the edge", thinking they can make some statement against the
system. And all of a sudden, there's a bunch of innocent babies
in a daycare center, dead.
[...]
But it's not just the movies showing violence. It's the *words*,
spouting violence, giving sanction to violence, telling people
how to practice violence, that are sweeping all across the
country. People should examine the consequences of what they say
and the kind of emotions they're trying to inflame.
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This has been, *from* *his* *own* *mouth*, on *60 Minutes*, Bill
Clinton, President of the United States of America.
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Before beginning, let me address myself to recent remarks by
President Clinton:
1) Clinton has recently stated that "good Americans" should all
now shout down the "purveyors of paranoia". Let me suggest that a
better cure for speech is, as I have heard, more speech. The cure
for speech is more speech. To that end, might I suggest that Mr.
Sherman Skolnick be a guest on, say, *60 Minutes*, where he could
properly expound on his views to the American public? All sides
could be presented, and then the thinking public could make up
their own minds.
2) In a noteworthy appearance on the CBS News show, *60 Minutes*,
President Clinton stated as follows:
We *do* have free speech in this country. And we have very
broad free speech and I support that. But I think free speech
runs two ways. And when people are irresponsible with their
liberties, they ought to be "called up short", and they ought
to be talked down by other Americans. And we need to "expose"
these people for what they're doing. This is *wrong*. This is
wrong. You never know whether there's some fragile person out
there who's about to "tip over the edge", thinking they can
make some statement against the system. And all of a sudden,
there's a bunch of innocent babies in a daycare center, dead.
WARNING: If YOU are a "fragile person" who is about to "tip over
the edge" -- STOP READING NOW and consult with clergy or psychiatrist.
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[CN Editor -- I cannot vouch for the accuracy of *all* of the
following. It may or may not be true, I just don't know. However
I consider Skolnick to be an honest and careful investigator.]
[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put
out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up
the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]
Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts,
9800 South Oglesby.
On Monday, April 17th, 1995, the federal grand jury in Little
Rock, Arkansas, handed up some 16 sealed, grand jury indictments,
according to those close to the matters. Among those reportedly
named: Jim "Guy" Tucker, current Arkansas governor, reportedly
charged with bank fraud; Thomas "Mack" McLarty, Clinton White
House counsel, former White House Chief of Staff, and previously
CEO of ARKLA, one of the largest natural gas public utilities
firms; and... Hillary Rodham Clinton. The First Lady is
reportedly charged with two counts of federal criminal offenses:
number 1, bank fraud, causing the loss of or misapplication of
between $47 million and $60 million of federally insured funds
[from] Madison Guaranty S&L; and number 2, obstruction of
justice. Hillary reportedly ordered Webster Hubbell, while he was
third-in-command of the Justice Department, to remove documents
from the office of White House aide Vincent Foster, jr.,
following his death, at a time when such records were ordered, by
a federal magistrate, to Little Rock, to be turned over to
federal authorities in the then-pending criminal case of U.S.
versus David Hale -- a former Arkansas municipal judge, accused
of defrauding the Small Business Administration.
Hubbell was ordered to deliver, or cause to be delivered, such
records to the private White House quarters of Hillary. She later
ordered Hubbell to arrange for the destruction of said records.
After resigning from the Justice Department, Hubbell entered into
a guilty plea with the independent prosecutor, Kenneth Starr, to
federal charges against Hubbell. Part of the plea bargain
required that Hubbell fully co-operate in the ongoing Whitewater
probe. Pursuant to that, Hubbell turned over the Foster office
records to the grand jury. (Of course, he led the First Lady to
believe that they had been destroyed.)
On April 22nd, 1995, Kenneth Starr questioned, under oath, both
the President and the First Lady. A superseding federal grand
jury indictment will reportedly be brought, accusing Hillary of
perjury -- an additional count to the indictment.
Starr's White House questions also seemed designed to assist a
*pending*, *secret*, congressional impeachment investigation
directed against the President. Starr's grand jury probe overlaps
the impeachment matters.
On Sunday, April 23rd, the President's announcement on CBS's *60
Minutes* program was just short of declaring martial law -- no
doubt, to save himself from impeachment and Hillary from jail.
The bombing of the federal office building in Oklahoma, to some
sources seems to somehow serve the purpose of delaying the
unsealing by the chief federal district judge in Little Rock of
these indictments. The bombing, two days after the sealed
indictment, reportedly involves one or more DEA undercover
agents, acting as *provocateurs* within the citizens' militias.
Records, highly critical to the role of Janet Reno and Clinton in
the 1993 Waco assault, killing women and children, were
reportedly *stolen* from the Oklahoma federal building just prior
to the bombing.
The First Lady is reportedly giving consideration to a *nolo
contendre* plea -- "no contest" -- which *might* include no jail
time for the First Lady, and the surrender of her law license or
agreement by her to voluntary disbarment.
Most of the other 13 indictments are against other White House
aides, for perjury and obstruction of justice in the [Vince]
Foster matter.
With the bombing mess as an excuse, Clinton has invoked *secret*,
emergency regulations against the mass media, requiring the radio
and TV broadcasting industry in particular to now act as a puppet
arm of the White House. [e.g., check out Dan "Goebbels" Rather on
CBS News.] The mass media are *ordered* to support the American
gestapo in rounding up those who severely criticize the U.S.
government. U.S. Marshalls, the FBI, and other federal storm
troopers are knocking on doors all over the United States.
Bye-bye, Bill of Rights. Nice to have known you.
In Chicago, see us on cable tv, channel 21, 9 pm [cst] most
Monday evenings -- that's if they *allow* us to continue!
Play it again: "China White: The Dope Scandal". (312) 731-1505.
New message Thursday; we change it several times a week.
Donations appreciated. Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the
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SUMMARY OF INFO FROM CITIZENS' COMMITTEE -- APRIL 23, 1995
On April 23, 1995, I interviewed, by telephone, Mr. Sherman
Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts
[CCCC]. The following is my summary of that interview.
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[CN -- I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with either all
or portions of the following. Statements by Sherman Skolnick are
in quotation marks, all else is my own paraphrasing and/or my own
comments.]
[...continued...]
You can almost see a cause and effect: the indictments of
Hillary Clinton, "Mack" McLarty, Governor Jim "Guy" Tucker, and
other Clinton cronies, are about to go public, and then -- BOOM
-- the bomb goes off in Oklahoma.
"And there's a third event that should be considered: as a result
of my stories being on the various computer networks (Prodigy,
Internet)... I have made contacts with financial experts
worldwide who exchange information with me in confidence; (I
don't mention who they are.) And they contend that there is a
'panic point' approaching: 75 yen to the dollar {1}. And when it
reaches that point, that there will be an embargo on foreign
exchange; there will be no yen/dollar ratio considered anymore --
you won't be able to exchange up and back; those that have sent
their... Americans that have sent their money out of the country
will not be able to get it back. In other words, this whole
foreign exchange thing will be frozen."
"And *why* did financial experts find it interesting to talk to
me off the record? Because they felt that I am part of a group
that is on the cutting edge of the so-called 'Whitewater affair'
and that I have a good working knowledge of the, what's happening
as far as the Kenneth Starr thing and so on, and that there may
be validity to what I say: that Hillary is facing indictment
(which I have been saying for quite a number of weeks now.)"
But can't they just bury this news?
"Well, there *was* a time when the news networks more carefully
controlled the news -- prior to the current technology, that
would be true. But there is, more and more stories are getting
*around* the news networks, through the computer networks. The
government would love, *right* *now*, to STOP the various
computer networks, because they're a detriment to managing the
news. In other words, people can pull up things on their screen
which may be more truthful than what they're seeing on the
evening news, on the television."
What about the arrest of bombing suspect Timothy McVeigh?
"Notice how fake it is: he had a fake driver's license,
purportedly dated April 19th, 1995 -- the same day of the
bombing. He was travelling at a rapid speed down the highway in,
I believe, a yellow vehicle with no license plates, and him
having a gun! He associates with those (or is related to, or is a
cousin of, or something of that sort), with some of the ones of
the Michigan Militia. And that one of those apparently, or
reportedly, is the undercover operative of the DEA! We suspect
that that, from *all* that we know, that that's Terry Nichols or
somebody in that group."
"Please understand: I am not here to support the militia.
However: like the anti-war movement of 25 years ago, it is
spreading across the country because we're at a moment of great
anguish in this country about things that are going wrong. And
it's a 'prairie fire'. And so the government, at such a time,
supplies [provocateurs] in order to put 'em on a dead end. I
mean, that's the government policy: put up 'leaders' as
provocateurs, get the dupes to follow, and then get the dupes
into jail, or get them discredited total."
"And when someone that's knowledgeable, like me, shows up (as I
did 25 years ago) to lecture on this: who gets heckled off the
lecture stage? Me. Why? The dupes are not ready to believe that
their 'leaders' (who are charming) are government operatives. And
that will probably be so now."
"There are some very ordinary people who belong to the militia. I
don't support what they do. But it's a made-to-order thing for a
racial riot tinderbox. Everybody has seen the pictures. Some of
the children that were injured or died were black. Some of the
ordinary office workers that were injured or died in that bombing
were black. And insofar as a white supremacist movement, or
leaders of it that are anti-black and so on are involved in
bombing the building, it's a made-to-order psychological
bombshell itself."
It almost seems that the government's plan is like... it's been
compared to the Reichstag fire.
"Right. I was just gonna say that. You got ahead of me. I was
just gonna compare it to the Reichstag fire." {2}.
"Hitler's opposition in Germany was the German Communist Party.
They had the largest printing presses, other than the main
newspapers, in Germany. They could've really *downed* Hitler in
'33. They didn't. And Hitler put an end to them with the
Reichstag fire blamed on them, and then he rounded 'em up and he
put 'em in concentration camps."
"'Cuz in the beginning, those that were put in the concentration
camps were not necessarily Jews -- they started out to be Gypsies
and communists, and *then* they were Jews, *then* they rounded up
Jews. But in the beginning, they rounded up communists. And that
was on the basis of a sweep; that is, Hitler says, 'The
communists are a treasonous element in Germany. They bombed the
German Parliament, the Reichstag. Round 'em up. Take 'em away.'"
"And if you think that they couldn't create a hysteria in this
country to round up all these dupes that are following some of
these provocateurs in the militia movement -- just wait and see
what the media can crank up a hysteria in this country."
"And a side issue would be the Japanese cults with their poison
gas attacks, threatening theme parks in Disneyland and such like
that."
But Mr. Skolnick, hasn't the government largely failed in their
efforts to whip up hysteria as a result of this bombing? True,
there was a certain amount of unthinking reaction, where, for
example, they had that crowd in Oklahoma booing and yelling for
McVeigh's blood. But on the other hand, my sense is that people
are, maybe, a little more educated these days -- at least *some*
people are.
"I don't accept that. Many people sit there, passively, in front
of the TV. And the thing goes into that portion of the brain
which is not the intellectual portion. And that, of course, has
been documented by others, other than me. It is not like reading
a newspaper: the images from the television go into the
subconscious portion of the brain and create different types of
reactions than reading a book."
[...to be continued...]
---------------------------<< Notes >>---------------------------
{1} Regarding the dollar/yen relationship, maybe this explains
the continued rise in the stock market: as the dollar keeps
losing value, people take their money out of dollars and put it
in the stock market.
{2} Reichstag fire. [From the Encyclopaedia Britannica] The
burning of the Reichstag (parliament) building in Berlin, on the
night of Feb. 27, 1933, [was] a key event in the establishment of
the Nazi dictatorship and widely believed to have been contrived
by the newly formed Nazi government itself to turn public opinion
against its opponents and to assume emergency powers. Hitler had
secured the chancellorship after the elections of November 1932,
but his Nazi Party had not won an overall majority. He therefore
obtained Cabinet consent to fix new elections for March 5, 1933.
Meanwhile, his propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, is supposed
to have devised the scheme whereby 10 agents led by Karl Ernst
were to gain access to the Reichstag through a tunnel leading
from the official residence of Hermann Goring, Reichstag
president and Hitler's chief minister, who was then to conduct an
official investigation, which would fix responsibility for the
fire on the Communists. The supposed arsonist was a Dutchman,
Marinus van der Lubbe, whom some have claimed was brought to the
scene of the crime by Nazi agents. Others have contended that
there was no proof of Nazi complicity in the crime, but that
Hitler merely capitalized on van der Lubbe's independent act. The
fire is the subject of continued debate and research.
On Feb. 28, 1933, the day after the fire, Hitler's dictatorship
began with the enactment of a decree "for the Protection of the
People and the State," which dispensed with all constitutional
protection of political, personal, and property rights. Though
the ensuing elections still did not give the Nazis an outright
majority, they were able to persuade the Reichstag to pass an
Enabling Act (March 23) whereby all its legislative powers were
transferred to the Reich Cabinet by a vote of 444 to 94, so
sanctioning the dictatorship. A feature of the ensuing arson
trial, at which van der Lubbe was convicted, was the acquittal of
the Bulgarian Communist Georgi Dimitrov after a strong defense.
[CN -- See also: Tobias, Fritz, *The Reichstag Fire*, trans. by
A.J. Pomerans (1964)]
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SUMMARY OF INFO FROM CITIZENS' COMMITTEE -- APRIL 23, 1995
On April 23, 1995, I interviewed, by telephone, Mr. Sherman
Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts
[CCCC]. The following is my summary of that interview.
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[CN -- I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with either all
or portions of the following. Statements by Sherman Skolnick are
in quotation marks, all else is my own paraphrasing and/or my own
comments.]
[...continued...]
"I'll tell you what the government is doing: there is a category
in one of the on-line services called... I think it's 'a.atf' or
something like that [alt.atf?], where they keep track of all
those that access. And it's an exchange of information on
explosives among ordinary people."
"And that is the latest version of an FBI project. Ten, twelve,
fourteen years ago, the FBI had a project -- which *was* exposed
-- of keeping track of all of those across the country that
withdrew books on certain subjects. It got to be a topic at a
meeting of librarians, who opposed it under the first amendment.
But the FBI was keeping track of all of those who withdrew books
on explosives, and dynamite and things like that. And I
interviewed a chief librarian myself on this subject some years
ago. I'll have to re-play the interview, remind myself of
everything."
"But the point is, the FBI has gone to the latest technology. And
*now*, on one of the on-line services, *they* are the originating
force behind this thing of keeping track of everybody that gets
access to that. The letters 'atf' are part of the code of getting
access to that on-line service. I don't have the full, uh, 'entry
code'. But I think you can find..."
My sixth sense on this is, I think their plan to have this
bombing be a prelude to a huge crack-down on militias -- to me,
they have failed in that, for the moment.
"I hate to predict violence: I don't like it; I don't encourage
it. But it seems to me, to carry out their Reichstag fire type of
scenario, that the powers that be in this country are prepared to
assassinate; to bomb other public and private buildings; to get
the public into such a state of anguish and 'psyche them out',
that they will agree to suspension of the rights that many of us
-- not *me* -- but many people take for granted, that they have
these rights, spelled out in the Bill of Rights and so on. They
may find out that they don't have that anymore."
As you predicted, they delivered up a "patsy" on the evening
news.
"Yeah. 'Lee Harvey Oswald' McVeigh."
"I talked to broadcasters that I know all over the United States.
A few of them are very knowledgeable about the militia in their
area. They have supplied me the names and anecdotal information
that would indicate to any reasonable person that understood
provocateurs that 'such and such leaders' in 'that' particular
area of the country, of the militia, are in fact undercover FBI
and so on. I have a list of these names, and they are the ones
that have, in the past, gotten the most news coverage of starting
up with the local law enforcement, or federal law enforcement, or
whatever. And I've asked these broadcasters (off the record, of
course) whether they would go on the air, in their talk show
segment, and say any of this. And they says, 'You gotta be crazy,
Skolnick! They'd come here, bomb our radio towers, or take a big
hook or something and pull 'em down, and claim that they're
promoting the truth thereby!'"
"None of the broadcasters that I've talked to are willing to go
on the air and mention rather specific information that would
convince others that heard it that the ones they're talking about
are, most likely, government-sponsored provocateurs acting as
leaders of the militia in that particular state or locale. No one
is prepared to go on the air or in print (so far; that I've
talked to). I've talked, off-the-record, with various alternative
publications, broadcasters, and so on, and they're *aware* of the
problem of *agents provocateurs* acting as leaders. Not just the
dupes! I mean, the dupes are innocent! It's the *leaders* --
*some* leaders, not all! -- of the militia, that are cranking up
this situation. And then the government is gonna come in with a
propaganda blitz, promoted by the mass media, and round up their
own provocateur leaders of the militia! [laughs]"
"I mean it's... I don't know why I'm laughing. But it's a
dangerous situation to the Bill of Rights. *Very* *dangerous*.
Because the ordinary people will say, 'Yeah. These are the people
that are white supremacists. They went and bombed the nursery and
the building there, and killed, among others, blacks. Yes! Round
'em up! Round 'em *all* up! Them and all their followers!'"
"Hey. You'd have a massive situation, which would be a national
emergency. And at such a time, they'd wave the flag and 'Support
Clinton', and 'Don't criticize your President', and things like
that. And it's a strong psychological move, to stop the grand
jury indictment of the First Lady from being un-sealed."
Have you heard anything more, as to technical aspects of the bomb
blast?
"Well the problem is, they started out with 1200 pounds of
'homemade bomb'... 1500... Now they say 4000 pounds, which is
just short of 2 tons. Can you imagine a 20-foot panel truck,
trundling up with 4000 pounds of chemically volatile 'homemade
bomb'? Which is hard to predict *when* it'd be ready to detonate
it? Bouncing around on streets? My opinion is that a homemade
bomb is hard to set for a [specific] time: it may go off at 9:15;
it may, more likely, go off at 12:15 or 4:15 or the next day!
It's not like a military powder or plastique or some other bomb.
And explosives experts have looked at the pictures and have said
that it looks like there might have been additional explosives
used on the reinforced concrete pillars! Especially in the
basement."
Anything further you wish to say?
"I am just now working on the Hillary indictment story. And the
sources we have for it are very good, and I feel that *that* is
the situation. And when you tie that in with the Wednesday
bombing, and all the other things, it seems to be a pattern of
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Many thanks to Mr. John DiNardo, who has been doing yeoman's work
to get the truth out, for the following information:
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Part 1, 4/26, INTELLIGENCE REPORT on the Oklahoma City Bombing
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JOHN STADTMILLER:
Mark, without further ado, I think we'll bring on Mr.
Ken L. Gunderson. Mr. Gunderson, are you there?
KEN GUNDERSON:
Yes, I am.
JOHN STADTMILLER:
Okay. Mr. Gunderson, I'm sitting here and I'm reading
what you've been involved in -- what you've been doing
since you retired from the F.B.I. You have quite a record
of service, sir:
senior special agent for Los Angeles from 1977 to 1979;
special agent-in-charge of Memphis, Tennessee
from 1973 to 1977;
in Dallas, in 1973, chief inspector;
from 1965 to 1973, you were assistant special agent-
in-charge of New Haven, Connecticut and
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania;
KEN GUNDERSON:
I retired in 1979. I was in the F.B.I. from 1950 to 1979.
And I was in Washington, D.C. in the `60s, as a supervisor.
And then I became a chief inspector in the early `70s.
And from there I went to Memphis, Dallas and Los Angeles,
where I headed up those three offices.
JOHN STADTMILLER:
Okay. Very good.
Now, I understand that you can shed some light on the
incident [bombing] that happened in Oklahoma City.
KEN GUNDERSON:
Well, several days ago, I received a copy of the seismogram,
which is from the University of Oklahoma Geological
Department, Norman, Oklahoma. This seismogram shows that
there were two surface waves in the seismogram that was
being monitored by the University of Oklahoma. Of course,
they normally monitor for earthquakes.
But I called this morning and talked to Dr. Ken Luza.
I asked him to read and interpret this seismogram for me.
He told me that there were two surface waves on the morning
of April the 19th. One was at 9:02 A.M. and 13 seconds,
and the other was at 9:02 A.M. and 23 seconds, ten
milliseconds apart.
[JD: Actually, ten seconds apart.]
I asked him what that means, and he said that this indicates
that there were two detonations of a bomb, not one, as our
Government would like to have you believe.
So, with that, I did a more little research, through some of
my sources and contacts, and I came up with what I think is
probably the bomb that was used. At least it appears to have
been the bomb, based on my research and my contacts.
It was not a fertilizer bomb [as the U.S. Government states].
There are too many reasons why it was not a fertilizer bomb.
The [actual] bomb is called an "electro-hydrodynamic gaseous fuel
device" -- a barometric bomb. Now what that does ... it's
similar to the Army Blue-82 bomb, which is called the
"Daisy Cutter". The primary detonation sets up a cold [coal?]
cloud, a chemical cloud, which is energized with the electrostatic
voltage, and the second detonation produces an enhanced
explosion due to electrostatic microfronts.
I called the person (whom I happen to know) who developed this
bomb, and I relayed the information from the seismogram to him,
and pointed out to him that there were ten milliseconds [or is it
"seconds"? between explosions]. And he says that he is confident
that that is the bomb that he invented, or that he developed.
Now, the bomb has a signature [such] that barometric pressure
increases so rapidly and dramatically that it blows out the
windows in buildings within a two-to-three-block radius.
And, believe it or not, the bomb is the size of a pineapple.
Now, the reason that I do not believe, nor do my two
technicians believe (and I talked to two individuals on this)
that this was a fertilizer bomb is because there is not
enough "breisance" in an explosion of fertilizer to cause
the shock wave that destroyed that building.
JOHN STADTMILLER:
>From what I understand, with these blasts that we're talking
about, we're actually talking about frequencies. And with
the [Government-declared] fertilizer bomb [story], they
[the Government] keep increasing the size of the bomb.
It started out being a thousand to fifteen hundred pounds.
And now they're up to two tons of it.
But, even still, that type of blasting device is a low-yield,
low-frequency [device], not capable of doing the type of
damage that was witnessed upon that Federal Building.
KEN GUNDERSON:
You said it before I did, and that's exactly what I was
going to say next. And that is exactly what was said by
the technicians whom I had talked to.
(to be continued)
* * * * * * * * * * * * *
I urge you to post the episodes of this ongoing series to other
newsgroups, computer networks, computer bulletin boards and
computer mailing lists. It is also important to post hardcopies
on the bulletin boards of campuses, churches, supermarkets,
laundromats, etc. -- any place where this vital information may
be read by concerned citizens.
Our people's need for Paul Reveres and Ben Franklins is as urgent
today as it was 220 years ago.
John DiNardo
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[CN Editor -- I cannot vouch for the accuracy of *all* of the
following. It may or may not be true, I just don't know. However
I consider Skolnick to be an honest and careful investigator.]
[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put
out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up
the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]
Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts,
9800 South Oglesby.
He is pushing laws to round up so-called "domestic terrorists".
Has he aided real terrorists, himself... huh? We're talking about
Congressman Henry Hyde, from the Chicago area.
The background:
Two savings & loans, now defunct, from the Chicago area, were
reportedly part of CIA's secret operations to supervise and
finance bloody "dirty tricks", including CIA-sponsored
terrorists, and foreign and domestic political assassinations.
One of those was, reportedly, Clyde Savings & Loan. At one time,
Congressman Henry Hyde was part of the board of directors.
After Clyde went under, the federal S&L bailout agency,
Resolution Trust Corporation [RTC], brought a suit in federal
district court, in Chicago, against the board of directors,
including Henry Hyde -- case number 93 C 2477. The RTC contends
that Hyde committed certain wrong-doing that caused the
federally-insured S&L to go under! With great loss.
The case was assigned to Chicago federal district judge Brian
Barnett Duff, a close crony of former CIA director George Bush.
In the Fall of 1993, an attorney for CIA showed up in the case.
Judge Duff ruled that most of the proceedings thereafter are to
be kept secret! And that the key matters in the case are to be
concealed, with the warning that "This envelope contains highly
confidential documents, and the clerk of the court is to maintain
these records separate from the public records" -- that is,
secret. Just one of the ways to try to keep the CIA records from
being public! {1}.
Now notice this: As provided by the U.S. Constitution, there are
three departments of the federal government: legislative,
executive, and judicial. *They* are to be kept separate!
Intelligence sources inform us that Henry Hyde wears two hats.
Number one, of course, is his legislative hat as congressman. And
he is part of the congressional committee pushing "anti-
terrorist" laws, to round up and maybe put into concentration
camps domestic dissidents -- such as citizens' militias. Because?
Clinton and Hyde claim the militias are trying to overthrow the
government. Oh yeah? But Henry Hyde's hat #2: he is in charge of
CIA's "black budget" {2}. So he's sitting in two branches of the
government at the same time -- a clear Constitutional violation.
(As head of the black budget, Hyde has more actual power than the
director of Central Intelligence.)
In [1983], a super-duper explosive, developed and controlled by
CIA, was supplied to mideast terrorists supposed to use it
against a CIA-selected target. Instead, it was used on the U.S.
Marine barracks in Lebanon, killing 250 Americans. Both Reagan
and Bush were responsible for that treason. *And* *so* *was*
*black* *budget* *chief* *Henry* *Hyde*! A federal grand jury
should ask Hyde what he knows about the explosives used in the
double bombing of the federal office building in Oklahoma City.
Was it something developed under CIA's black budget? Some think
so.
How is it that federal undercover agents who infiltrated the
militia are implicated in the bombing, huh?
*Who*, after all, is trying to overthrow the government and
destroy the Constitution? Is it the militia? Or is it Henry Hyde
and his gang, huh??
A senior investigation specialist of RTC wanted to do something
about Henry Hyde and the "black budget" and Clyde Savings & Loan.
The RTC official was *murdered* by being thrown off a building in
Virginia! {3}. You suppose Henry Hyde knows anything about that,
huh?!
The mass media, riddled with CIA rats, have a policy not to
discuss provocateurs who work their way into dissident movements,
and then bomb buildings, to blame onto the movement. Also, the
press is generally silent about government-paid provocateurs.
All our lines are devoted to this message. Stay on the phone, you
can hear the message from the beginning.
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{1} "Just one of the ways to try to keep the CIA records from
being public." Another way, suggested in a question put to Bill
Clinton by Sarah McLendon in the recent White House press
conference, is to transfer the records to "retired" CIA agents
and then, when someone asks to see those records, you can say
that you don't have them!
{2} "...CIA's 'black budget'" I lack a precise definition of
exactly what is meant by the term "black budget". I, personally,
would describe it as an area of government spending that is not
open to public scrutiny. For example, if money is being allocated
for, say, manufacturing weapons to be sent to the *Contras*, in
violation of the Boland amendment, that allocation of funds might
be kept "off-the-record", unavailable for public scrutiny, in the
"black budget".
You may recall a television show last summer called "TV
Nation". Michael Moore, the creator of the show, had a segment on
the "black budget" which he wanted to air. Unfortunately, they
didn't allow it to be broadcast.
There is also a book dealing with the "black budget" whose
name escapes me; it *might* be named *Black Budget* but I'm not
100 percent sure on that.
{3} "The RTC official was *murdered* by being thrown off a
building in Virginia..." Refers to Jon Parnell Walker: "The
Resolution Trust Corporation people eventually figured out that
their investigation of Madison wasn't getting anywhere because it
was based in Kansas City, where Clinton's people stymied it. So
Jon Parnell Walker, a Senior Investigation Specialist in the
RTC's Washington office, began a campaign to get the case moved
to DC. Soon after, Jon was looking over a possible new apartment
in Lincoln Towers in Arlington, Virginia, when reportedly he
suddenly decided to climb over the balcony railing and jump."
(From "Murder, Bank Fraud, Drugs, and Sex" by Nicholas A.
Guarino, Editor, *The Wall Street Underground* and former
Arkansas businessman.)
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IT'S HYSTERIA TIME IN AMERICA
=============================
Yes, it's that time again: hysteria time in America. Time once
more for one of those good, old-fashioned hysterias that we love
so well in this country.
Our first big hysteria occurred in Salem during the 17th century.
At that time, certain persons saw that some others had land.
These persons coveted that land. What to do? Why, create a
hysteria! So they got a witch hysteria whipped up, got the
property owners hauled away and killed, and then they took their
land.
You remember that other great hysteria, don't you? The USS
*Maine*, sunk in Havana harbor by those dirty Spaniards?
"Remember the Maine"? So the dirty Spaniards torpedoed the
*Maine* so naturally we were forced to go down there and grab
Cuba. Of course, when the hysteria had cleared, it turned out
that we weren't actually sure just *who* had sunk the *Maine*.
Then there were the Palmer raids, that other great hysteria of
the post-World War I era. Wasn't that a fun time? Of course, a
lot of innocent people got rounded up -- but who cares?! Hey! It
wasn't me!
Oh and let's not forget that great WWII Japanese-American round-
up: Yahoo! Round up the "Japs" and put them in concentration
camps! Just don't deny to us our fu**ing baseball!
And who can forget that other great hysteria of hysterias, the
McCarthy era red scare hysteria? Yep, commies are everywhere so
vote for me and I'll take charge of the matter.
Then there was the Waco hysteria, with those evil cultists: get
those tanks, surround the building, blast the sound of rabbits
being slaughtered -- all this "for the sake of the children". The
press can circle their recreational vehicles, relax, and have a
cook-out! And the FBI will feed them all the "news" they need --
just like they are doing now with the Oklahoma bombing!
The Oklahoma bombing; here comes the next hysteria: one Timothy
McVeigh, not yet tried and found guilty in a court of law, had a
tenuous connection to a militia group -- one militia group. (Of
course, that group didn't want anything to do with him and soon
expelled him.) And that's it! McVeigh, not yet tried, has a slim
connection to one militia group. That's all we know so far!
Have you been noticing what I have? That night after night, we
are getting juxtaposed, on the evening news shows, stories of the
tragic Oklahoma bombing *immediately* followed by militia
footage? Night after night, by "coincidence", stories about the
Oklahoma bombing are being followed by stories about so-called
"hate groups". Guilt by association; trial by mass media. It is
indeed true what Sherman Skolnick says:
Many people sit there, passively, in front of the TV. And the
thing goes into that portion of the brain which is not the
intellectual portion. And that, of course, has been
documented by others, other than me. It is not like reading a
newspaper: the images from the television go into the
subconscious portion of the brain and create different types
of reactions than reading a book.
In the old days, the unthinking public went to the Nuremberg
Rally; now, just by turning on the television, the Nuremberg
Rally comes to you! Right into your living room! And Billy Boy
Clinton can huff and he can puff and he can do the old "zeig
heil" Billy Boy right at you, right in your living room! And
he can hint that there is this thing which he calls "hate speech"
that *you'd* better not say anymore! And then *you* can sneak
around and turn in your neighbor -- just like somebody turned in
John DiNardo!! And, just like in all those other fun mass
hysterias we've had in the past, most people are going to look
the other way. I mean, even the elaborate *poseurs* that we find
on the college campuses are being strangely silent on this one.
Billy Boy Clinton, the boy who stood up to his drunken father and
defended mama; Billy Boy Clinton, who when Jerry Brown mentioned
the "Mena word" became very angry and yelled that Brown had
better stop picking on his wife; Billy Boy Clinton, who now
bravely tells his opponents to shut up because they are baby
killers -- Billy Boy Clinton, perhaps not the veriest scumbag I
have seen, but for sure the slimiest one. And yes, Billy Boy, I
*do* hate you.
So here we go, just like in the past, another mass hysteria.
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[CN Editor -- I cannot vouch for the accuracy of *all* of the
following. It may or may not be true, I just don't know. However
I consider Skolnick to be an honest and careful investigator.]
[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put
out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up
the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]
Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts,
9800 South Oglesby.
They regulate taxes on wines and spirits; they supervise the
taxes on cigarettes; they license firearms and explosives --
that's the U.S. Treasury's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and
Firearms [BATF]. They have a long, violent history.
The BATF has always been blind to [traditional organized crime]
being the major force in the distribution of booze. The Seagrams
liquor empire is founded on corruption and murder. They are owned
by the Bronfman family of Canada -- also owners of the movie
theater chain, Cineplex-Odeon; also owners of the Bank of
Montreal and *their* unit, in Chicago, Harris Bank -- money
laundries for dope and gun running. The Bronfmans and their
criminal empire could *not* succeed without corrupting the top
officials of ATF!
Quantities of cigarettes have, from time to time, been stolen --
for example, in Georgia, secretly warehoused in Indiana, and
peddled through various outlets in Illinois! All to evade various
taxes, state and federal. Like with booze, the top officials of
ATF have *always* played the part of "the 3 monkeys" [i.e., see,
hear, and speak no evil] as to these criminal cartels.
*And*, the ATF have always been instrumental in trying to "snuff
out" dissident movements. One of the chief investigators of the
ATF, in Chicago, kept his details in secret notebooks, in his own
handwriting. All of such notebooks for a great number of years
"somehow" fell into our possession. *Thousands* and thousands of
pages. What do they show?
ITEM: Following the plot to assassinate President Kennedy, the
ATF took advantage of the psychology of the times to promote gun
grabbing.
ITEM: During the civil rights marches and the anti-Vietnam War
movement, the ATF chief in Chicago had whole platoons of what
*he* called, "militant activists" -- government-paid provocateurs
who committed violence and bloodshed to blame onto those who
opposed federal government policies. They firebombed ROTC centers
(to blame onto so-called "radicals"), broke up peace parades,
[and] started bloody confrontations with the police.
ITEM: A major center for peace meetings was in a church in a
Chicago suburb: Elgin. A bomber, working for ATF, supplied with
high explosives *by* ATF, blew up the church. Of course, it was
an "unsolved mystery". *Later*, the ATF bomber went on to Africa,
to create havoc for the American CIA. (Our chairman, by the way,
was the first speaker at the church after it was re-built.)
So it should come as no surprise that no ATF people were in the
federal office building bombed in Oklahoma City. The ATF offices
there had the original documents of the rotten role of Clinton
and attorney general Janet Reno in the massacre two years
previous at Waco. The documents were stolen just before the
bombing.
For some time now there have been "rumblings" that top Admirals
and Generals [are] opposed to former CIA director Bush in
continuing to control the Justice Department and the CIA even
during the Clinton presidency. For background [on] how the top
military overthrew the *Nixon* White House by creating Watergate,
see the book *Silent Coup* by Colodny and Gettlin.
Was there, is there *now*, a military coup in the works to stop
Clinton's treason? A planeload of *top* military brass were on
the way to Oklahoma City *the* *day* *before* *the* *building*
*bombing*! The cover story for their trip was "an investigation
of a national security breach". Their plane was sabotaged, or
bombed, and fell in a forest, killing all on board. *Hey*. Ever
see the movie *Seven Days In May*, huh?
As to the dirty, criminal activities of Clinton and Hillary: What
is the reason "None Dare Call It Treason", huh?
Just another story, suppressed by the liars and whores of the
press.
In Chicago, see us on cable tv, channel 21, 9 pm [cst] most
Monday evenings.
Play it again: "The *Rotten* FBI". (312) 731-1505.
New message Tuesday; we change it several times a week.
Donations appreciated. Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the
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[CN Editor -- I cannot vouch for the accuracy of *all* of the
following. It may or may not be true, I just don't know. However
I consider Skolnick to be an honest and careful investigator.]
[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put
out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up
the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]
Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts,
9800 South Oglesby.
They regulate taxes on wines and spirits; they supervise the
taxes on cigarettes; they license firearms and explosives --
that's the U.S. Treasury's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and
Firearms [BATF]. They have a long, violent history.
The BATF has always been blind to [traditional organized crime]
being the major force in the distribution of booze. The Seagrams
liquor empire is founded on corruption and murder. They are owned
by the Bronfman family of Canada -- also owners of the movie
theater chain, Cineplex-Odeon; also owners of the Bank of
Montreal and *their* unit, in Chicago, Harris Bank -- money
laundries for dope and gun running. The Bronfmans and their
criminal empire could *not* succeed without corrupting the top
officials of ATF!
Quantities of cigarettes have, from time to time, been stolen --
for example, in Georgia, secretly warehoused in Indiana, and
peddled through various outlets in Illinois! All to evade various
taxes, state and federal. Like with booze, the top officials of
ATF have *always* played the part of "the 3 monkeys" [i.e., see,
hear, and speak no evil] as to these criminal cartels.
*And*, the ATF have always been instrumental in trying to "snuff
out" dissident movements. One of the chief investigators of the
ATF, in Chicago, kept his details in secret notebooks, in his own
handwriting. All of such notebooks for a great number of years
"somehow" fell into our possession. *Thousands* and thousands of
pages. What do they show?
ITEM: Following the plot to assassinate President Kennedy, the
ATF took advantage of the psychology of the times to promote gun
grabbing.
ITEM: During the civil rights marches and the anti-Vietnam War
movement, the ATF chief in Chicago had whole platoons of what
*he* called, "militant activists" -- government-paid provocateurs
who committed violence and bloodshed to blame onto those who
opposed federal government policies. They firebombed ROTC centers
(to blame onto so-called "radicals"), broke up peace parades,
[and] started bloody confrontations with the police.
ITEM: A major center for peace meetings was in a church in a
Chicago suburb: Elgin. A bomber, working for ATF, supplied with
high explosives *by* ATF, blew up the church. Of course, it was
an "unsolved mystery". *Later*, the ATF bomber went on to Africa,
to create havoc for the American CIA. (Our chairman, by the way,
was the first speaker at the church after it was re-built.)
So it should come as no surprise that no ATF people were in the
federal office building bombed in Oklahoma City. The ATF offices
there had the original documents of the rotten role of Clinton
and attorney general Janet Reno in the massacre two years
previous at Waco. The documents were stolen just before the
bombing.
For some time now there have been "rumblings" that top Admirals
and Generals [are] opposed to former CIA director Bush in
continuing to control the Justice Department and the CIA even
during the Clinton presidency. For background [on] how the top
military overthrew the *Nixon* White House by creating Watergate,
see the book *Silent Coup* by Colodny and Gettlin.
Was there, is there *now*, a military coup in the works to stop
Clinton's treason? A planeload of *top* military brass were on
the way to Oklahoma City *the* *day* *before* *the* *building*
*bombing*! The cover story for their trip was "an investigation
of a national security breach". Their plane was sabotaged, or
bombed, and fell in a forest, killing all on board. *Hey*. Ever
see the movie *Seven Days In May*, huh?
As to the dirty, criminal activities of Clinton and Hillary: What
is the reason "None Dare Call It Treason", huh?
Just another story, suppressed by the liars and whores of the
press.
In Chicago, see us on cable tv, channel 21, 9 pm [cst] most
Monday evenings.
Play it again: "The *Rotten* FBI". (312) 731-1505.
New message Tuesday; we change it several times a week.
Donations appreciated. Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the
Courts, 9800 South Oglesby, Chicago, [Illinois] 60617. For the
latest on courts, banks, espionage agencies, political
assassinations, and the news media. On 24 hours a day.
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MAY 1, 1995
On May 1, 1995, I interviewed, by telephone, Mr. Sherman
Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts
[CCCC]. The following is my summary of that interview. (Note that
in the following, I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of Mr. Skolnick's statements.)
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
There's... *Z Magazine*, which I've long suspected of being CIA-
sponsored, through foundations, came out with a thing on PeaceNet
claiming that I'm part of a group of researchers and commentators
that instigate others to try to overthrow the government -- which
is [laughs]. {1}.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
This past week, there's been a lot of hysteria going around. And
I trace it to Bill Clinton's appearance on *60 Minutes*, which
from one of your commentaries I gather that you saw that also.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I mean, the guy was "bombed out". I mean, he was so close to
being "flipped out": his eye was twitching; he blamed all his
problems on a broad conspiracy. Hey! It's okay for the rest of us
to talk about a conspiracy. But the people are not accustomed to
having their President... He would have been better off if he
just said, "Lee Harvey Oswald still lives, and *he* bombed the
building." He'd be much better off.
When the President starts talking about a broad conspiracy to
overthrow the government, he's causing a strange backlash,
because some people says, "Oh... So you're talking about broad
conspiracies. How come you're not talking about the Trilateral
Commission meeting a few days after the Oklahoma bombing?" (You
know: April 22nd, 23rd, and 24th.) "How come you're not dealing
with these questions about whether the government bombed the
building?"
You know, once you talk about broad conspiracies, you open the
gates to a *lot* of questions. And I think the FBI and Clinton
talking about broad conspiracies have opened the floodgates for
discussion.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, and I think they're trying to close them now, too. I think
they realize that, and they're trying to "put the cat back in the
bag".
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
But they may have to let that Timothy McVeigh go. Because he
appears to be an "Oswald" type: in other words, somebody may have
steered him to be there. Understand: he was, at one time,
apparently, a security guard for this strange character from
Michigan who wanted to be the spokesman for the militias there,
but isn't. And that's this Mark Koernke. There's a lot of
questions about him. He's very charming and all that, but some of
the militia leaders over there that have called me says that they
have renounced him over a year ago. They think he's a government
plant; he's got a very high-level military intelligence
background, according to *some* of the stories in the press.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
He got pulled from shortwave. He had a show on WWCR...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
...which is a shortwave station. {2}. And, for whatever reason,
they pulled him.
And, you know, I listened to his last show. And he had some guy
named Ted Gunderson on there, that was talking about -- you know,
Ted Gunderson is a former FBI agent...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, I've interviewed him. I know. He headed up the FBI office
in Los Angeles years ago, and he's been -- for about 14 years now
-- he has been investigating satanic cults. {3}. He may also know
about explosives, I think. Did he talk about explosives?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! Yeah. And he was bringing up a lot of questions about this
bombing that kind of cast doubt on the official version of
events.
And what happened is, there's this guy named John DiNardo that
decided he was gonna transcribe the remarks by Gunderson and post
them on the Internet. And some hidden force told him he couldn't
do it -- I mean, it was kind of an odd situation, where somebody
complained about it and so the administration said, "You must
cease and desist." And when DiNardo said, "Well, I'd like to know
who is denouncing me," they said, "Well this is a private
enterprise here." I mean, that their particular node of the
Internet was a private enterprise, and they claimed that they
weren't required to say *who* had denounced DiNardo.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
For what? For circulating explosives information?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
No! For circulating... Ted Gunderson was on Koernke's show, and
he had given an alternative viewpoint on *who*, or what the bomb
was -- you know, as far as what the actual source of the bomb
was, who the bombers might have been.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And somebody connected with Internet *stopped* him??
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! Well, you know, the thing is there's a lot of providers for
Internet, okay? There's a lot of "on ramps", you know? Like
Prodigy is an "on ramp" [Prodigy is *not* the one that pulled the
plug on DiNardo]. And supposedly, because, say, whatever provider
DiNardo was using is a private enterprise, that somebody
complained to their administration about this. And they told
DiNardo he's gotta "cease and desist" on this.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Is that about the first time that has happened?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
It's scarey!
Yeah... I mean, especially... This was not *bomb* *making*
information. This was just an alternative point of view about,
you know, what possibly caused that bomb blast.
Like I say: it's a *crazy* *week*! I've been... After Clinton's
appearance on *60 Minutes*, I began to get *tons* of e-mail
messages, *demanding* that I provide proof. You know, like "*You*
*must* *provide* *proof*!" And so, I would just write back,
"Well, for *what*?!" You know? It's like, suppose somebody called
you up and said, "You must provide proof!" You'd say, "Well, for
what, specifically?"
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well what I tell those people, politely, is, "Do you call up the
editor of the *New York Times* and says, 'Uh, this story here,
where you say <>, uh,
from *whom* have they learned it?' You know, they do that all the
time. So what's wrong with lesser journalists doing the same?"
I mean, in other words, a lesser journalist might be more
inclined to tell the truth than the *New York Times*! I mean,
proof of *what*? I mean, in our case, we've been at this since
1963. We've got a long track record of exposing corruption and
political murders -- and telling the truth! That, alone, should
be in our favor: that we're not inclined to make idle statements.
We don't make idle statements.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. I said pretty much the same thing. I had a prepared
statement, saying that you had been an investigative reporter,
doing this kind of work for 30 years, looking into government
corruption.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I mean, look what's happened here: our story about the sealed
indictments [against Hillary Clinton et al.] has gotten --
because of your using it on Internet and so on -- has gotten the
White House into a froth! As a result, a spokesperson for the
White House counsel, Abner Mikva, denied it. But *others* in the
White House have talked, off-the-record, not for attribution,
saying, "Well... If there *are* some indictments, maybe they're
defective. And maybe they won't be released until June. And if
so, at that time Clinton will resign."
So I mean, they're talking out of both sides of their mouth at
the same time -- which tends to show that my story about the
sealed indictments was correct! It's correct, but they're trying
to hush it up, or cover it up, or pooh-pooh it, or whatever! To
get rid of the story, somehow.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, and there was some other source, that people were trying to
track down, that had also said the same thing. And they were
trying to confirm if they're independent of...
You see, it's kind of hard. If I send out, you know, that you're
saying that Hillary Clinton is under indictment, and I turn on
Koernke's show and *he's* saying that Hillary Clinton's under
indictment, right away I think, "Well, where's *he* gettin' that
from? Did he get that from me?"
[...to be continued...]
---------------------------<< Notes >>---------------------------
{1} If anyone can steer me to the relevant PeaceNet article,
i.e., the one mentioned by Skolnick which puts him down, please
let me know.
{2} For now, anyway, Koernke's *Intelligence Report* seems to be
gone. The show that has replaced him seems good, however. I don't
know the name of the new show, but it seems to be scheduled for
most/all weekday evenings, 7-8 pm cst, 5.065 MHz, WWCR.
{3} >>Theory<<: maybe that is why the government is so gung-ho
about attacking what it calls "religious cults"; i.e., the
government, partially infiltrated by Satanists, naturally begins
to storm fringe religious groups.
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FLASH! -- STOP THE PRESSES!
We've Made The Papers!
Be sure to check out this week's *Time* magazine with cover
story: "How Dangerous Are They? An Inside Look At America's
Antigovernment Zealots". Inside I have found.....
** About the *only* decent critique of conspiracy theorists I
have seen. The article, "Psst! Calling All Paranoids" does not
contain the word "anti-Semites" at all! (Note to Berlet: read
this article for an idea of how a decent critique is written,
i.e. using logic instead of unfair smears; the majority of
"conspiratologists" are *not* anti-Semitic and resent being
unfairly called such.) Of course, that said, I don't agree with
the article. For example, the author, Christine Gorman, writes
"Often these aggrieved people fall in with others sharing the
same point of view." What happens when there are tens of
thousands who share this point of view? They can't all be
"crazy"; it's not that simple. Still, the article is a major
improvement over the usual baloney.
** A picture of Lawyer Thompson! She doesn't look too bad; get it
enlarged and she can be the "Conspiracy Pin-Up Girl".
** The article "Enemies of The State" by Jill Smolowe states,
"What is most perplexing is the vague intersection between those
so-called patriots who merely spread the word Paul Revere-style,
those who are arming themselves in anticipation of a fight to
defend their rights, and those who are already taking aim at
perceived enemies." Hey, Jill: Are you suggesting there is a
*conspiracy*? You should do an "*institutional* *analysis*". Then
you'll see that these groups are each reacting independently to
the federal Frankenstein.
Hey, Jill: Don't be *paranoid*.
Surprisingly decent coverage of the militia movement and
conspiracy theories. However I must fault *Time* magazine for
ignoring a key ingredient in the lively, ongoing conspiracy
dialogue: i.e., solid and convincing evidence of government
corruption that is being woefully under-reported by media outlets
such as *Time*. *Time* magazine is, after all, one of those that
praised the ridiculous Posner book, *Case Closed*, to the skies.
Anyone who has read just a little bit into the matter must, as do
I, consider *Time* magazine as -- generally -- not to be trusted.
Still, relatively speaking, the coverage is much better than most
of the drivel I come across that poses as serious rebuttal.
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MAY 1, 1995
On May 1, 1995, I interviewed, by telephone, Mr. Sherman
Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts
[CCCC]. The following is my summary of that interview. (Note that
in the following, I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of Mr. Skolnick's statements.)
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[...continued...]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Okay. Here's something else. We did a story... I think we were
about the first in the country to do a story about Systematics (a
unit of ALLTEL), and that Systematics was involved in spying on
central banks of other countries, using a low-orbit satellite and
INSLAW software, with the "trap door". Do you know what has
happened to that story? Reporters have confronted the foreign
affairs spokesperson for the National Security Council [NSC]
(which is connected with the White House). And the reporters were
told, in respect to Systematics, that it is not unlawful for an
American company to spy overseas.
When the reporters went one step further, and says, "Well, what
if they try to bring that information, that they obtained by
spying, back into the United States," the spokesperson for the
NSC said, "Well... That's a legal question. But it is not
unlawful to spy overseas."
So you see: our story about Systematics is "100 percent". In
other words, the National Security Council's spokesperson does
not deny it, that there has been this spying going on. Because
central banks of other countries are very angry at the United
States. And it might be *one* of several reasons why there's an
attack on the dollar in respect to the yen, the deutschmark, and
the Swiss franc; that might be *one* of the reasons.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
A lot of people are interested in finding out about this Oklahoma
City bombing. What's your information now? Do you suspect the ATF
now?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well I suspect the ATF of complicity. *And*, I saw the story,
faxed around by the head of the Michigan Militia [Olson], about
that they believe that there's a connection between the poison
gas attacks in the Japanese subway and this bombing. Now some
people would reject it and say, "Now wait a minute. That's 'way
out'." It is true that others in the militia there told him
[Olson] to resign. However: the story has a certain ring of truth
to it. I'm not going with it as a story, I'm only commenting on a
story that was circulated around. I think it has a certain amount
of validity to it. And I am gonna see just what pieces of other
information tend to support this, well, call it a "theory".
Because you see, there's a number of strange events that, in
later times, may end up in some history book as being related
events: McNamara's book comes out (which has been in the works
for a year). It comes out a few weeks before the Oklahoma
bombing, in so many words saying that Americans were lied to
about the Vietnam War and that McNamara could have played a role
in bringing the truth out, which might have saved... At the time,
he *knew* that the Vietnam War was a fraud. There had already
been 16,000 casualties, dead. Which means, from that point
forward they could've saved 40,000 Americans! I mean, if total
casualties were about 56,000 dead. So he could've saved over
40,000! So a lot of ex-GIs are really "up the wall" about the
whole situation. And I've heard that there's a lot of ex-GIs are
now joining the militia as a result of the bombing! Never mind
that the President says that there's a vast conspiracy against
the White House. I think that there's been a backlash and a lot
of people say that they're...
Because the militia people have been allowed to say on the
television things that were known, but never *on* the major
television: that there are secret societies meeting (like the
Trilateral Commission); that perhaps the government has bombed
their own building, in order to have an excuse for martial law;
that there are large numbers of foreign troops in the United
States, and so on -- things that the mass media has avoided ever
mentioning. But because the militia's been attacked, this is the
way that they retaliate. And I think that many of the things that
the militia says -- their spokespeople -- are correct!! Which is,
some of the rest of us know about. And *how* is the media gonna
deal with this?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Like you said: it seems like they're back-tracking; that they're
trying to go back to the O.J. Simpson routine, again, where
"What's the latest on the O.J. Simpson trial."
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, 'cuz the O.J. Simpson thing is, has more or less been
"blanked out".
Because from the details that are coming out about the, having
Timothy McVeigh, as a defendant, charged with some role in the
bombing -- *that* seems to be in error. McVeigh's latest lawyer
has said that the FBI's got the wrong man. And that may well be
true!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I noticed that too. And I wanted to make a short note of that, is
that, strictly speaking, McVeigh has not been found guilty in a
court of law. But he's being talked about on numerous TV and
radio shows as if he's guilty! But you know, strictly speaking,
he has not been found guilty.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well here's the way that it appears: according to published
reports, McVeigh was a security guard of sorts for Mark Koernke.
Koernke is suspected by others in the Michigan Militia of being a
government plant. Because Koernke has high-level intelligence
connections; he went to one of the *top* secret military
intelligence schools -- I believe in Arizona. And yes, he is
charming and he says a few things that are interesting. But he...
There's something about him that indicates that he may be a
provocateur! So the fact that Timothy McVeigh worked in some
capacity *for* him, and is now accused of some role in the
bombing -- I find the whole chain of circumstances *very*
*suspect*. In other words, did someone like Koernke tell McVeigh,
"Go and spy out the building," (you know), "'Case' the building"
-- and not tell him *why*? And then other people [that] are now
becoming witnesses for the FBI says, "Oh yes! We saw McVeigh,
three days before the bombing, looking at the building!"
Well McVeigh -- if that is true -- McVeigh may not have even
known what he was doing there, any more than maybe Oswald didn't
know what *he* was doing in Dealey Plaza. I mean, in other words,
a "patsy".
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And the other thing is that McVeigh has got, really, a *tenuous*
connection to the Michigan Militia, in that he had tried to join
-- but they expelled him! Okay? And the thing is, that you get
this bombing. And right *with* the bombing, juxtaposed with the
bombing, you get story after story about the militias! {4}. And
to me, you know it's like you had said about how the television
kind of gets beyond your thought, and it goes underneath your
thought...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Subconscious. Right. And what is never discussed, except -- I
think we're about the only ones in the country that discuss it.
(Because I've been on the periphery of broadcasting for over 30
years.) And that is, the broadcast industry -- radio and TV --
are subject to emergency proclamations -- unpublicized -- by the
White House. And that started during the anti-Vietnam and anti...
the civil rights marches and commotions that occurred in the
'60s, the murder of Dr. King. Because after the murder of Dr.
King, 103 cities were burning. So if Dr. King was assassinated
*today*, they would quietly announce tonight that he died in the
hospital of "natural causes". You see?
In other words, the radio and TV stations are under the thumb of
the White House! And that is happening now. People that I know in
broadcasting confirm it, but they'll be darned if they'll go on
the air and ever say it, because they fear their license will be
in jeopardy.
So the media, now, is so *slanted*! In other words, Clinton gave
an emergency order that the media is to support the White House
policy that may be necessary to round up the militia as part of a
"broad conspiracy to overthrow the government". And they need the
help of the media to soften up the public that "It's okay to
round up these people."
So I'm about the only one, that understands broadcasting, that
talks about it. None of the others in broadcasting would *dare*
say a single word about the White House emergency pronouncement
that's in effect right now, since the bombing. They just won't
discuss it!
[...to be continued...]
---------------------------<< Notes >>---------------------------
{4} "...juxtaposed with the bombing, you get story after story
about the militias..." Going back to what we all learned in
Psychology 101, i.e., Pavlovian response conditioning, we can see
how the unthinking public has been conditioned to associate the
militia movement with the Oklahoma bombing. Just as Pavlov
conditioned dogs to salivate at the sound of a bell by forming an
immediate association between the bell and food, so too the
unthinking public has been conditioned to associate the militia
movement with the Oklahoma bombing, again through repetitive
association between the bombing and the militias. In point of
fact, as noted, any actual connection is tenuous.
But *why* has the media conditioned the unthinking public to
associate the militia movement with the Oklahoma City bombing?
Has the unthinking public been psychologically softened up so as
to be willing to accept future government actions against these
militias? Stay tuned.
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From the suppressed airwaves of a frightened radio station
in Nashville, Tennessee: WWCR, 5065 Kilohertz, Shortwave:
INTELLIGENCE REPORT, (since silenced by Federal threat):
Part 2, 4/26, INTELLIGENCE REPORT on the Oklahoma City Bombing
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
TED GUNDERSON [retired F.B.I. official]:
They [the technicians] said that if there is a forty-eight hundred
pound fertilizer bomb, it takes more time to build up the shock
wave. The pressure of the shock waves of a bomb of this type
will build up to shatter windows and smaller objects, but it
does NOT crush the pillars of the concrete structure.
Now, a high-"breisance" explosion is immediate, and it causes an
immediate shattering of pillars, concrete, and high-density
material.
JOHN STADTMILLER:
Now, when we first saw that .... By the way, Mark Koernke is on
the program with us.
TED GUNDERSON:
Hi, Mark.
MARK KOERNKE:
We're just listening. I'd like you to get everything out that
you can.
TED GUNDERSON:
It would be virtually impossible to control the direction of a
forty-eight hundred pound fertilizer bomb. A bomb the size of
a pineapple, wich is about two-by-nine [inches], and which
weighs about eleven pounds, which is a deadly bomb -- it is
very small, but it is very strong -- it would be very easy to
control the direction of that bomb.
Now, looking back at the scene [of the explosion], we notice
that almost the total half of that building was destroyed
immediately. And the building across the street [from it]
was not destroyed, except for some windows being blown out.
But I think you brought up a very interesting point.
The Government initially said, "a car bomb of a thousand or
more pounds." And then they went up to, I think, "a pick-up
truck or a panel truck." And then they went up to "a 24-foot
rental truck," in order to make the damage coincide with the
size of the vehicle, and, of course, [to coincide with] the
bomb itself.
JOHN STADTMILLER:
Well, the one thing that struck me was that there was certainly
[garbled] any collateral damage. My first impression .... and I'm
not a demolitions expert, but the first impression that I got --
if you were to consider that building for a second as being
made out of clay -- it almost looked like it was sliced.
There was an explosion in that building, for sure, but it
looked like it was blown out, not from the gound up, because
if that were the case, using a device like that, there
would be a fluting effect [the cutting of parallel, vertical
grooves] on the building. But it would not cut from the bottom
floor all the way up to the ninth floor.
TED GUNDERSON:
I agree with you on that. Absolutely.
But the bottom line is that I don't think that we are being told
the truth about what happened back there [in Oklahoma City]
-- about the type of bomb, etcetera, etcetera.
(to be continued)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
I urge you to post the episodes of this ongoing series to other
newsgroups, computer networks, computer bulletin boards and
computer mailing lists. It is also important to post hardcopies
on the bulletin boards of campuses, churches, supermarkets,
laundromats, etc. -- any place where concerned citizens can
read this vital information.
Our people's need for Paul Reveres and Ben Franklins is as
urgent today as it was 220 years ago.
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MAY 1, 1995
On May 1, 1995, I interviewed, by telephone, Mr. Sherman
Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts
[CCCC]. The following is my summary of that interview. (Note that
in the following, I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of Mr. Skolnick's statements.)
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[...continued...]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Another thing about the so-called "reporting" by the mass
media is that, two years ago during the Waco situation, the
media, every morning at 10 in the morning they'd go to the FBI
spokesman. And whatever the FBI spokesman *told* them, they would
report that; that was their idea of "reporting" what was going
on. {5}.
And the same thing's goin' on now, it seems to me. That the media
is just going to the official sources, goin' to the FBI and all
these people, being spoon-fed their version of things, and then
"reporting" that.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. Why don't they go to the head of the ATF, in Washington --
the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms -- and ask him: "Can
you explain why it is that none of your people were in the
building at the time of the bombing? Can you explain why you had
exotic weapons parked in your office? Missile launchers and
things like that? Why was it necessary to have that *in* your
office? And did any of those devices explode when the building
blew up?"
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. And the thing is... Okay, I was gonna ask you about that:
you're saying that there was *no* ATF present when the building
blew up?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. That's been widely reported, and I think it is quite
correct.
We also know, from federal sources, that there were original
documents, not replicated elsewhere, in that office in Oklahoma
City, that related to the role of Janet Reno and Clinton in the
massacre in Waco.
Beyond that, we have known a great deal about the violent
background of the ATF. Because some years ago, through a series
of circumstances, we obtained -- well, it fell into our
possession (put it that way) -- all of the spiral notebooks of
the chief investigator of the ATF in Chicago, who arranged for
violence directed against the peace movement, violence against
the Black Panthers, violence against civil rights activists,
through his office, through people that they trained and put out
on the streets -- paid provocateurs -- which he, again and again
in his *own* handwriting, in his notebooks, refers to as
"militant activists" -- "M.A.'s". And with *that* *background* --
the whole thing about the ATF not being in the office in Oklahoma
City, and the building being bombed -- the ATF has got a strange,
violent past of promoting government policy with violence and
bombings when, in fact, the ATF is supposed to regulate
explosives! But on occasion, to carry out government policy, they
*supply* explosives to their own bombers to bomb, for example, a
church in a Chicago suburb which was the site of anti-war
meetings. And I was the first speaker at the church after they
re-built it, so I know a great deal about it.
And since we have thousands and thousands of pages from the top
official's notebooks -- I also interviewed him on the phone and
he was flabbergasted to find out that I somehow had all of his
notebooks. I got that on tape, and I can play that tape, for
anybody that's skeptical.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right. But gettin' back to this thing about how there was no
ATF in the building when it blew up: number one, the explosion
was at about 9:02 a.m., so by then there *should* have been
*some* ATF. Ordinarily there should have been some ATF personnel
in the building.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And you say that that's been widely reported. I think the *Los
Angeles Times* was gonna be lookin' into that.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Why didn't any of the media people pick up the phone and say,
"Look. This is NBC, this is CBS -- ATF chief, how come none of
your people were in the office? Explain." None of the media
people have picked up the phone and asked for an explanation from
the BATF! Why? What's stopping them? I mean, maybe lesser
journalists like myself -- free-lance journalists -- maybe we
don't have the clout to demand an answer from the head of the
BATF. But hey: if Ted Koppell or somebody from ABC News calls up,
the ATF is gonna have to answer. But the point is, none of those
high muckity-muck media people are bothering to ask routine
questions!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
Okay, I wanted to... I'm tryin' to cover some ground here, 'cuz I
figured the best way to do this is, do it in half-hour
installments, and keep gettin' back to you so -- partly because
of the phone bill, and partly because of, it's just more
manageable.
Okay. Going back to this *60 Minutes* appearance by Clinton
where, it seemed to me he was trying to ignite a mass hysteria --
and to an extent, he succeeded. There seems to be an attempt to
-- you know, whether or not you like the G. Gordon Liddy Show --
there seems to be an ongoing attempt to create a "bandwagon
effect" of, for example: almost immediately after the bombing,
they said that some station out in California had "decided that
they were gonna pull the G. Gordon Liddy Show". But then, it
comes out later that this same station had previously decided
that they were gonna be changing their format. You know, that it
had nothing to do with controversial comments by Liddy.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well I think the attack on Liddy is because he came up with an
apparent witness that was the first one to see [Vince] Foster's
body laying there in the park. And the witness claimed that there
was no gun in his [Foster's] hand. And since Liddy talked about
it on his show, I think that they're using the bombing criticism
as an excuse to try to squelch Liddy because he has caused the
White House so much trouble with his stories about the strange
death of White House aide Vincent Foster, jr.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
It's not only that. He's been *really* hammering on the Waco
incident and Ruby Ridge.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I mean, I listen to a lot of shows, you know, and I don't
necessarily endorse everything that Liddy says. But if you listen
to his show, he, it seems like every show, he goes into the ATF,
the Waco Massacre, and all this stuff.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He put on one *very* controversial show. He put on a probe -- he
had a gun dealer on. And the ATF broke into [the gun dealer's
house] and *wrecked* his house, killed his domestic pets, stole
his medicine that he needed for a serious illness -- did all kind
of horrors to him. And they now have some kind of civil action
against the ATF.
But the press [a.k.a. Pravda], generally, has not mentioned this
terrible incident. And Liddy spent a good portion of a program
one day having the one that this happened to talk about it on the
radio show. And so I think Liddy has greatly antagonized the ATF.
And since the ATF might be part of this bombing, in some way --
Liddy is bothering 'em, so they're trying to squelch him.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. That's what it kind of seems to me, too.
You know, I was thinking also that, in Germany, in the '30s, a
citizen could see what was going on, possibly, and at some point
could decide, "Well. I'm gonna flee the country. I can see where
it's goin', and I'm gonna get out of here. I'm gonna go to
England; I'm gonna go to the United States."
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I want you to know that that is *quietly* happening, by very
wealthy people. I know people who have wealthy friends, and they
are telling me that *that* is what's happening. But they're doing
it very quietly. They're trying to get passports from another
country, as if they're a resident of Germany or France or
England. In other words, they, in effect, want to give up their
U.S. citizenship in order to get their assets out of the United
States.
And of course there's a movement in Congress to tax those that do
that, that give up their U.S. citizenship, in order that their
wealth not be subject to taxes.
But I think that move has escalated since the bombing. In other
words, they sense that there's something -- a sinister trend in
the United States. Some people that are experts on history
immediately think about the event in 1933 when Hitler had his own
people burn down the German Parliament, the Reichstag, and blame
it onto left-wing and communists. And that seems to be... In
other words, the Oklahoma bombing seems to be the "Reichstag" of
the present White House. In other words, they may have bombed it
themselves, or somebody *for* the White House, and they're
blaming it on others.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
But gettin' back to this thing about fleein' the country: *I*
even think like this. You know, I think like, at some point in
time, I'm just gonna get myself out of this country because it
just seems like... You know, I'm willin' to do what I *can*. But
I'm not gonna hang around for the bitter end, you know. But I
think: well where, what country do you go to? I'm tryin' to think
-- like Finland? Or...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well one of the things that you gotta consider is that America,
as a major industrial power, is the only country that,
historically, has *not* had a genuine revolution. They do call it
"The American Revolutionary War", but it was mostly the
mercantile class *here* against the King of England. But there's
been no genuine revolution in the history of the United States.
And the way things are shaping up, the way they're mis-treating
middle-income people, the way they're causing a great anguish by
ordinary people -- somewhere down the road, America is gonna face
an armed revolution.
In other words, the militia is an indication of anguish, by
ordinary people, many of 'em ex-soldiers, against the central
government. And that anguish is gonna increase, because they now
have a documented study, by McNamara, that we were led into a
fraudulent war, causing the death of 56,000 ordinary Americans,
for un-Constitutional purposes.
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{5} This observation, as I recall, was originally made by Linda
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THE MASSACRE OF THE BRANCH DAVIDIANS
By Carol Moore
To Be Published by Gun Owners of America
July, 1995
Just to give everyone an idea of the mass of information
that exists regarding BATF/FBI crimes against the Branch
Davidians, I am circulating the Table of Contents/Outline of
my book. Diskette copies (plus graphics/xerox photos) will be
available from me by the end of May. ($9 to Carol Moore, Box
65518-CM, Washington, DC 20035) To obtain book call Gun
Owners in late June at 1-800-417-1486.
Please distribute this document widely, especially to all
those FTP, WWW, etc sites that are carrying the January 1994
Committee for Waco Justice report version (also written by me)
so that that readers will know the document has been updated.
Please e-mail me for copies of a short overview of BATF/FBI
crimes, for the longer "Questions for Congress About Waco,"
or for "Branch Davidian Prisoners Speak Out"--their
allocutions at trial.
Thanks! Carol Moore 202/986-1847 cmoore@capaccess.org
TABLE OF CONTENTS
1. Why BATF and the FBI Massacred the Branch Davidians
Helicopter Attack Reminiscent of Vietnam
Citizens' Investigations
Early Efforts
Government Reports Covered Up Crimes
The Davidian Trial and Civil Suits
Separating Fact from Fiction
Government Crimes Against the Davidians
The Davidians Are Scapegoats
2. U.S. Government Against the American People
Government's "Historic Interest in Breaking Up Armed
Groups"
America's Growing Police State
The War On Drugs
The Growing War on Guns
BATF and FBI Crimes Against the Weaver Family
The Eleven Day Standoff
Weaver Acquitted and Prosecutors/FBI Fined
Justice Department and FBI Coverup
Government Reliance on Private Spies and "Cult Busters"
FBI Forced to Dissolve "COINTELPRO"
The Anti-Defamation League
The Cult Awareness Network
CAN and Rick Ross Targeted the Davidians
Clinton and Reno Jumped on Anti-Cult Bandwagon
CAN Critics Speak Out
A Political "Cult" Fights Back
3. The Branch Davidians and David Koresh
The Early Branch Davidians
Vernon Howell Became the New Prophet
The "New Light" Drove Out Members
Koresh Refined His Message
Former Members Went to Authorities
Koresh Predicted the End Was Near
Non-Weapons Allegations Against David Koresh
Alleged Child Abuse
Alleged Sex with Minors
Polygamy
Alleged Physical Abuse and Involuntary Servitude
Alleged Mass Suicide Plans
Alleged Extreme and Violent Religious Views
Listing of Branch Davidians
4. BATF's Flawed Investigation and Warrant
Chronology of Investigation and Raid Planning
BATF By-Passed Local Authorities
Davidians' Personal/Religious Reasons for Keeping
Weapons
BATF Ignored Davidians' Legal Gun Business
BATF Found No Evidence Weapons Were Purchased Illegally
"Probable Cause" Was Based on Biased Information About
Intent
Cult Buster Rick Ross Provided Information
Former Members' Allegations About Koresh's Intent
"Probable Cause" Based on Religious and Political
Beliefs
Other Irregularities in the February 25, 1993 Affidavit
Stale Information
Inaccurate Information
Misleading Information
Indefensible Probable Cause Theory
Did Davidians Have Illegal Weapons?
Davidians' Legal Weapons
Allegedly Illegal Machineguns
Allegedly Illegal Silencers and Live Grenades
5. BATF's Ruthless Raid Plan
BATF Ignored Davidian Attempts to Cooperate
Koresh Had Cooperated with More Serious
Investigations
Sheriff's Statement on Another Service of Warrant
Koresh Invited Sheriff to Inspect Weapons in 1992
Koresh Invited BATF Agents to Inspect Weapons in
1992
Koresh Complained to Sheriff About 1993 Surveillance
Koresh Befriended Undercover Agent
After Raid, Koresh Stated He Would Have Cooperated
Questionable Grounds for a Paramilitary Raid
Questions About U.S. Attorney Johnston's Role
Buford Refused to Admit Real Reason for Raid
Paramilitary Raids Are Preferred BATF Modus Operandi
Publicity Stunt to Bolster BATF's Image and Budget
BATF Paranoia and Hostility
Desire to Punish BATF Critic
Davidians' Perceived Separatist Tendencies
BATF's Shoddy Intelligence
Cult Busters Advised Against Simple Search
Cult Busters' Mass Suicide Scare Stories
Government Multi-Task Force Made for "Partners in Crime"
Abuse of the Posse Comitatus Law
False Drug Manufacturing Allegations
Coverup of Original Written Plan
Coverup of Illegal Training
6. BATF Initiated Violent Raid
February 28th Chronology
BATF Agents Expected A "Shootout"
BATF Commanders Warned Agents Davidians "Dangerous"
Newsman Warned Davidian About Expected "Shootout"
Most Agents Knew About "Loss of Surprise"
BATF Agents Did Not Have or Announce Warrants
BATF Used Excessive Force
BATF Did Not Have a "No Knock" Warrant
BATF Had No Plan To Serve Warrants Peacefully
Agents Carried High Powered Weapons
Agents Mounted Terrifying Attack
Agents Threw Flash-Bang Grenades into Building
Agents Shot Dogs
Evidence Agents Shot from Helicopters
Davidian Allegations
Davidian Allegations on 911 Tape
KWTX-TV Video Shows Shots Fired from Sky
Attorneys' Statements and Testimony
Helicopter Pilots Lied About Circling Mount Carmel
Before Raid
Did Helicopter Pilots Lie About Overflying Mount
Carmel?
Did Helicopter Pilots Lie About Shooting from
Helicopters?
No Real Investigation of Firing from Helicopters
Evidence BATF Shot First
BATF Agents Confused, Anxious and Excited
Davidians' Allegations
BATF Agents' Conflicting Testimony
Non-Agents' Dubious Testimony
BATF/FBI "Lost" Davidians Front Door
Questionable Perry Jones Autopsy
Suspicions About Unreleased BATF Video Tape
Law Enforcement Allegations
7. BATF Actions Led to Ten Deaths
Davidians Had Legal Right to Self-Defense
No Evidence Davidians Ambushed BATF
Koresh Warned Undercover Agent "They're Coming"
Cautious Koresh Warned Few Davidians
Davidians Had to "Hustle" to Find Guns
Photographs and Video Show Little Fire from
Davidians
Two Agents Killed Later in Raid
Davidians Did Not Use "Tactical Advantage"
Davidians Called "911"
Questionable Evidence Davidians Used Machineguns or
Grenades
Evidence Agents Shot Indiscriminately
Agents Admitted Indiscriminate Fire
KWTX-TV Video Indicates Indiscriminate Fire
Davidians Described Indiscriminate Fire
Evidence Friendly Fire Injured or Killed Some Agents
BATF Agents Admitted Friendly Fire on Roof
Deaths on Roof of Agents LeBleu and McKeehan
Deaths on Ground of Agents Willis and Williams
No Attempt to Determine Source of Bullets
Five Davidians Killed During Raid
Perry Jones
Peter Hipsman
Peter Gent
Winston Blake
Jaydean Wendell
BATF Snipers Killed Returning Michael Schroeder
Did BATF Agents Shoot First?
Did Agents Assassinate the Wounded Schroeder?
Did Schroeder Have a Gun?
Why did FBI Impede Texas Rangers' Investigation?
Destruction of the MagBag
8. BATF and Treasury Department Coverups
BATF Coverup
BATF Intimidated the Press
BATF Spread Disinformation
BATF Raid Commanders Covered Up Loss of Surprise
BATF Officials Covered Up Loss of Surprise
Treasury Department Disciplined Agents and Officials
BATF Involved with Texas Rangers' Investigation
BATF Took Koresh's Gun Dealer into "Protective
Custody"
Davidian Paul Fatta Charged After Press Interviews
Parts Dealer to Davidians Arrested on Phony Charges
Government Kept Warrants Sealed After Koresh Saw
Them
Treasury Department Coverup
Ronald K. Noble Conflict of Interest
Questions About Independent Reviewers
No Testimony Taken Under Oath
Treasury Department Attempted to Seal Investigation
Records
Treasury Department Report Demonizes Davidians
Evidence of Coverup in Treasury Department Report
9. FBI Imposed Militaristic Siege
Siege Chronology
Why Davidians Stayed Inside Mount Carmel
Desire to Spread God's Word
Angry at/Frightened of Federal Agents
Desire to Protect Evidence
Afraid of Losing Their Church and Home
FBI's Self-Serving Motivations
Anger and Revenge Against Davidians
Desire to Spare BATF Agents from Prosecution
Religious Hostility
Possible FBI Racism, Anti-Semitism, Sexual Unease
FBI's Violent Attitude
Rules of Engagement
FBI Predicted Violent Ending
FBI's Purposeful "Bungling"
Abuse of the Posse Comitatus Law
FBI Controlled the Press
FBI Restricted the Press
FBI Intimidated the Press
FBI Lied to the Press
Press Repeated FBI Propaganda
Press Practiced Self-Censorship
10. FBI Sabotaged Negotiations
Questions About President Clinton's Motives and Role
Clinton, Altman and Buford
Clinton and Hubbell
Smerick and Young Advised Against Tactical Pressure
Tactical Agents Over-Ruled Negotiators
FBI Rejected Family and Third Party Intervention
FBI Destroyed "Crime Scene" Despite Complaints
FBI Relied on Experts and Cult Busters Urging Tactical
Pressure
FBI Did Not Take Theologians Seriously
FBI Relied on Psychologists and Psychiatrists
FBI Relied on Three Cult Busters
FBI's Escalating Sabotage
March 1-6--FBI Relatively Conciliatory
March 7-21--FBI Increased Harassment
March 22-April 19--FBI Escalated Harassment Despite
Cooperation
FBI Refused to Honor Koresh's Promise-to-Surrender
DeGuerin and Zimmermann Visited Mount Carmel
Drs. Arnold and Tabor Suggested Koresh Write a
"Little Book"
FBI Lied to DeGuerin and Zimmermann
FBI Ridiculed Koresh Promise-to-Surrender
FBI Lied After the Fire
11. FBI Tricked Attorney General Into Approving Gas and Tank
Assault
Richard Rogers Gained Support for His Plan
Attorney General Approved Plan After "Cursory Review"
FBI Misinformed Reno about Progress of Negotiations
Rogers Met with Reno
Hubbell Conveyed FBI Disinformation
FBI Withheld Koresh's Promise-to-Surrender Letter
FBI Misinformed Reno About CS Gas Safety
Dangers to Health
Flammability of Gas
Flammability of Solvent
Dangers of Delivery Systems
FBI Pushed Reno's Child Abuse "Hot Button"
Child Abuse "Misunderstanding"
FBI Lies About Davidian Water Shortage
FBI Threatened to Withdraw Hostage Rescue Team
FBI Suddenly De-emphasized Mass Suicide
FBI Assured Reno "This is Not D-Day"
FBI Withheld Evidence of Self-Defense Discussion
Early Koresh Self-Defense Threats
April 18th Self-Defense Discussion
Evidence FBI Withheld Discussion from Reno
Did FBI Trick Reno Regarding "Rules of Engagement"?
Rogers' Early Assertions
Reno's "Operations Plan" Not Shown to Ground Agents
More Aggressive Rules Communicated to Davidians
Clinton's Ignorance of Rules of Engagement
Reno Granted "Tactical" Power to FBI
12. FBI's April 19th Gas and Tank Attack
April 19th Chronology
Lack of Safety and Fire Precautions
Reckless Tank Drivers Took No Precautions
Fire Precautions Deemed Useless
Social Workers Not Informed About Assault
Parkland Burn Unit Alerted to Fire Possibility
Fire Trucks Were Not On Stand-By
FBI Surveillance and Communications
Surveillance Devices Inside Mount Carmel
Did FBI in Washington Have Live Feed of
Surveillance?
Aerial Infrared Video and Other Photography
Communications with Agents in the Field
FBI Agents Hostile Towards Davidians
FBI Intended This to Be "D-Day"
FBI Alleged Davidians Shot at Tanks
Agents' Testimony
Agents Not Afraid to Leave Tanks
Davidians Deny Firing at Tanks
FBI Applied New Rules of Engagement
The Gas Attack
FBI Refused to Negotiate
Davidians Did Not Throw Out Phone
Tank Broke the Phone Line
FBI Excuses for Not Negotiating
Who Was in Control After Reno Left FBI Operations
Center?
Fatal Decision to Escalate to Demolition
FBI Expected Demolition Would Be Necessary
The "Apparent Deviation" from the Plan
Why Did FBI Speed Up Demolition?
Justice Department and FBI Deny Demolition Decision
Demolition Trapped and Killed Davidians Inside Building
Tank Collapsed Stairwells, Smashed Exits
Tank Attack Killed Davidians in Concrete Room
Tank Debris Blocked Entrance to Buried Bus
Jurors Shocked By Evidence of Demolition
Government Denied Davidians Were Trapped
13. FBI Tank Attacks Led to Fire and Death
Building Was a Well-Ventilated Tinder Box
House Ran on Flammable Fuel
Gas Grenades and Tanks Dispersed Fuel
Flammable Gas and Solvents Saturated the Building
Tank Damage Increased the "Flue" Effect
Evidence Tank Attacks Started Fires
Evidence Tank Started Gymnasium Fire
Evidence Tank Started Chapel Fire
Evidence Tank Started Dining Room Fire
Evidence Tank Started Second Floor Fire
Theories FBI Intentionally Started Fires
Theory Pyrotechnic Devices Started Fires
Theory FBI Purposely Injected Flammable Solvents
Theory FBI Purposely Created Flue Holes
Dubious Evidence "Flame Thrower Tank" Started Fires
FBI Allegations Davidians Started Fires
Testimony of FBI Agent
Alleged and Actual Statements of Fire Survivors
One Discussion of Fiery Self-Defense
Indistinct Surveillance Audio
Prejudicial Transcripts of Surveillance Audio
Suspicions FBI Tampered with Surveillance Audio
FBI Continued Attack Despite Known Dangers
Smoke, Fire, Snipers and Tanks Trapped Davidians
Smoke, Fumes and Fire
Fear of FBI Snipers
Tanks Rammed Building, Blocked Escape
Davidian Survivors Barely Escaped
Fire Drove Some to Suicide
Speculation FBI Agents Shot Davidians
FBI Rules of Engagement Permitted Shooting Davidians
Davidians and Agents Outside the Building
"Systematic" Gun Fire Heard During the Fire
Justice Department's Immediate Claim Davidians Shot
Questions About Some Autopsy Results
Alleged and Actual Fire Survivor Testimony
Attorneys' Speculation
Autopsy Results
14. FBI-Justice Department-White House Coverup
FBI Post-Fire Disinformation
Ricks and Jamar Disinformation
FBI Official Disinformation
Accusations FBI Practiced "Public Relations"
Reno/Clinton Disinformation After the Fire
Reno Disinformation
Clinton Disinformation
Why Have Reno and Clinton Supported the Coverup?
FBI and BATF Crime Scene Coverup
April 19th Destruction of Evidence
FBI and BATF Really Controlled Crime Scene
May 12, 1993 Bulldozing of Remaining Evidence
July, 1994 Clean Up of Property
Fire Investigation Coverup
Head of Team was BATF Sympathizer
Gray Misrepresented Nature and Flammability of Gas
Gray Withheld Evidence from Other Investigators
Fire Report Asserts Davidians Not Trapped In
Building
Fire Report Implies Flammables Present for Purpose
of Arson
Fire Report Asserts Accidental Fire Impossible
Fire Report States Separated Points of Origin Mean
Arson
Fire Report Downplays Breaching's Role in Spreading
Fire
Gray Falsely Claimed Buried Bus Was Usable
Justice Department Coverup
Possible Coverup of Clinton's Role
Justice Department Attempted to Forgo Full
Investigation
Review Team and Outside Expert Conflicts of Interest
No Testimony Taken Under Oath
Review Team Withheld Information from Outside
Experts
No Fault Finding for FBI and Justice Department
Errors or Crimes
Evidence of Coverup in Justice Department Report
Misrepresentation of Koresh's Promise-to-Surrender
Letter
No Justice Department Report on Tampering with 911
Tapes
Possible Promotion of Prosecutorial Misconduct
Failure to Recommend Prosecutions in Weaver Case
15. Congressional Coverup
Congress Read the Polls
Bi-Partisan Coverup
Senate Judiciary Committee Canceled Hearing
April 22, 1993 Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on
Justice, State and Judiciary Hearing
April 22, 1993 House Ways and Means Subcommittee On
Oversight Hearing
April 28, 1993 House Judiciary Committee Hearing
May 19, 1993 Webster Hubbell Senate Confirmation Hearing
June 9, 1993 House Appropriations Subcommittee on
Treasury, Postal Service and General Government Hearing
Will Congress Investigate?
16. The Branch Davidian Trial Continued the Coverup
Federal Prosecutors' Record of Misconduct
Davidian Prosecutors' Motives Suspect
A Prejudiced Judge Under Investigation
Charges Against Davidian Defendants
Three Davidians Cooperated with Prosecutors
Selective Prosecutions
Prosecuted
Not Prosecuted
Judicial Constraints on Defense
Judge Insisted "Group Trial"
Judge "Gagged" Defense Attorneys
Judge Improperly Restricted "Jury Wheel"
Judge Manipulated Choice of Jurors
Judge Restricted Press
Judge Permitted Prejudicial Phrases and Photos
Judge Forbade Mention of Self-Defense
Judge Restricted Defense Questions
Judge Restricted Defense Evidence
Judge Restricted Defense Witnesses
Judge Denied Defense Motions
Prosecutorial Misconduct
Prosecutors Withheld Evidence Regarding Illegal BATF
Shooting
Prosecutors Withheld Evidence Regarding Defendant
Fagan
Prosecutors Withheld Evidence Regarding April 19,
1993 Fire
Prosecutors Withheld Evidence Regarding "Star
Witness" Kathryn Schroeder
Prosecutors Intimidated or Unduly Influenced
Witnesses
Little Evidence of Alleged Conspiracy
Closing Arguments
17. The Trial Verdicts and Unjust Sentences
Count One--Conspiracy to Murder Federal Agents
Judge's Instructions
Jurors' Verdict and Reasoning
Count Two--Aiding and Abetting Murder of Federal Agents
Judge's Instructions
Jurors' Verdict and Reasoning
Count Three--Using or Carrying Firearm During/In
Relation to Crime of
Violence
Judge's Instructions
Jurors' Verdict and Reasoning
Judge's Reaction to Jurors' Error
Instructions, Verdicts and Reasoning on Other Charges
Counts Four, Five and Six--Aiding and Abetting
Attempted Murder of Federal Agents, Use of Firearm
in Act of Violence
Counts Seven and Eight--Possession of and Conspiracy
to Possess a Grenade
Counts Nine and Ten--Manufacture of and Conspiracy
to Manufacture Machineguns
Reactions to the Verdicts
Reinstatement of Count Three Weapons Verdict
Sentencing Commission Recommended Maximum Sentences
Davidian Allocutions
Livingstone Fagan
Jaime Castillo
Renos Avraam
Kevin Whitecliff
Paul Fatta
Brad Branch
Graeme Craddock
Ruth Riddle
Defense and Prosecution Final Statements
The "Cruel and Unusual" Sentences
Appeals for True Justice
Fagan's Non-Cooperation with Appeals
Grounds for Relief
18. Justice for the Branch Davidians
Federal Non-Action Against Agents and Officials
Potential Criminal Liability
Agent Rodriguez Sued BATF, Raid Commanders
Families and Survivors' Civil Suits
Cause Foundation Lawsuits
Caddell & Conwell Lawsuits
Ramsey Clark Lawsuits
Political Activities
Conflicts Over Mount Carmel Memorial
19. Preventing Another Massacre
BATF and FBI "Reforms" After Waco
Future Challenges to the Federal Government
Millenialists and Survivalists
Second Amendment Activism and the Militia
Economic Unrest and Resistance
Secessionists and Separatists
How Citizens Can Prevent More Massacres
"Waco, Never Again"
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I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with either all or parts
of the following:
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THE NATIONAL SECURITY QUESTIONS AND THE CLINTON PROBLEMS
By Sherman H. Skolnick
Bill and Hillary Clinton may be able to "snuff out" problems that
seem to pursue them both, while disguised as related to
Whitewater. Their secret remedy? Both of them, or either of them
separately, invoking "national security" as a bar to the
independent prosecutor running after either one of them with
purported federal criminal indictments.
First of all, there is the matter of top White House aide Vincent
Foster, jr. He died in July 1993. Was he "suicided", that is,
murdered? Foster, a law partner of Hillary, was also reportedly
an official of the super-secret code-cracking factory, the
National Security Agency [NSA], called, by one author, "The
Puzzle Palace". In that capacity, he reportedly played a role
with Systematics, a reported propriety operation of NSA. The firm
purports to supply, and service, bank computer software for firms
worldwide, including foreign central banks. Did Foster strategize
how Systematics would reportedly use the super-duper Inslaw
software called PROMIS, with its "trap door" capability, to spy
on foreign banks, including one supposed to be friendly to the
United States?
Several covert intelligence officials told the editor of a
leading financial publication, *Forbes* magazine, that
Systematics was reportedly a spy operation. To get the assistance
of Foster, Israeli Intelligence, called "the Mossad" (that is,
"the Institute"), apparently blackmailed Foster. A coded account,
purportedly in his name, was set up in a bank on the Swiss-
Italian border, with some $2.7 million -- *supposedly* traceable
back to Israeli sources. Foster, reportedly, seriously violated
national security by supplying Mossad with super-secret financial
and other such data from the reported Systematics spy operation.
A former Israeli defense security agent, Ari Ben-Menashe,
contended that Robert "Bud" McFarlane was actually a Mossad
operative going back to the time McFarlane was chief assistant to
the then-Senator John Tower, Republican of Texas, when the
Senator was chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee. That
would be about 1980: same time as the notorious "October
Surprise" scenario, when George Bush and William Casey reportedly
arranged a dirty, secret deal, with the Iranians, to delay
release of U.S. hostages so as to wreck Jimmy Carter's bid for
re-election as President.
(By the way: did John Tower and his daughter die in April, 1991,
as a result of a sabotaged airplane crash, just about the time
Gary Sick's book, "October Surprise", was in the works? Some
think that is what happened.)
Some now believe that Foster, like McFarlane, was forced to spy
on U.S. super-secret data for Israel by the use of blackmail.
Remember: McFarlane reportedly tried to commit suicide the night
before his scheduled testimony before the congressional Iran-
Contra probe.
*Forbes* magazine apparently spent considerable time and funds
compiling what *they* thought was a blockbuster story about the
reported spying, by Systematics, for NSA, with the help of
Foster. Someone thought it proper to follow just standard
journalistic procedure and submit the details of *Forbes* story
to the White House, to get their explanation, if any. Someone
else suggested that Israel might help confirm the story by
releasing corroborating details, playing down *their* role as a
form of "limited hangout" -- espionage jargon for releasing just
*some* details of a troublesome story, to put the best face on a
story that won't go away quietly.
Evidently, the *Forbes* editor never read crusading author George
Selves' advice, through his book, "Tell The Truth And Run".
(Selves, by the way, was still writing hard-hitting books at the
age of 100.) Submitting the proposed story, apparently
scandalizing Systematics (a private subsidiary of ALLTEL), to the
White House and also, reportedly, to the Israelis, was
*disastrous*. Just prior to the expected deadline for going to
press with the story, the editor was reportedly told to turn over
all his records and material gathered for the story, to be
destroyed! Some who knew what was happening were wondering to
themselves whether the editor's failure to turn over the data for
destruction would make him unemployed. Some say he was reportedly
warned that such failure would make him unemployable, that is,
"blackballed" in the mainstream journalism industry.
The ramifications of the Systematics story could bring down the
Clinton presidency. Just prior to Foster's death, Hillary
reportedly told Foster that his spying for Israel was known; that
he was about to be indicted on charges bordering on treason,
making him another Jonathon Pollard.
Did the NSA give their operative, Foster, an ultimatum, a la
General Erwin Rommel, World War II? That is, "Take this gun and
kill yourself, you traitor, or we shall have to do it for you."
These details, all involving national security, may help explain
the hesitation by the U.S. Secret Service, the U.S. Park Police,
the White House, the FBI, and other federal agents, to tell,
reportedly, the truth as to exactly *where* Foster's body was
located upon death, whether he did or did not have a gun in his
hand, or whether he, in fact, was murdered.
Did the NSA find it necessary to cover up the reported huge
banking spy scandal, by getting Foster to be dead? Sources in the
German Secret Police contend three non-German residents of
Frankfurt were part of a $5 million "contract" deal to kill
Foster.
While the *Forbes* story was being put together, the stock of
parent firm, ALLTEL, listed on the New York Stock Exchange, was
declining. About February 8th, 1995, the CEO and president of the
firm, J.E. Steuri, also a director and senior officer, sold 48
percent of his stock, in his firm, based on reports filed with
securities regulators.
At one time, Systematics had a reported serious problem with the
U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission [SEC]. Records show that
Rose Law Firm partners Hillary Rodham Clinton and Webster Hubbell
were attorneys of record for the firm. Some contend they
corruptly arranged to make the SEC problem go away. Note: in
1994, Hubbell, third-in-command of the Clinton Justice
Department, resigned, to face federal criminal charges that he
mis-appropriated several hundred thousand dollars from the Rose
Law Firm and clients. Hubbell "copped a plea bargain", agreeing
to finger Hillary's reported mis-application of some $47 million
from federally-insured Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan of Little
Rock. The independent prosecutor apparently used Hubbell's
testimony, and records, to get sealed indictments on two federal
criminal charges against the First Lady.
Will the unsealing of the indictments lead to resignation of the
President? Turncoat Hubbell, thought to be a close crony of the
Clintons, is apparently going to avoid jail because of his
testimony and records he kept when Hillary told him to take them
out of Foster's office to *her* private White House quarters.
Later, he was ordered -- by her -- to destroy the records, led
her to believe he did, but turned them over to the federal grand
jury in independent prosecutor Kenneth Starr's probe.
Question: Can Hillary invoke "national security" in respect to
Foster's records, the reported Systematics mess, and related
espionage scandals?
Question: Can the federal agencies justify the Foster suicide-or-
murder cover-up on the basis of "national security"?
Question: If the central bank spy scandal would cause a financial
panic, would the NSA be justified in compelling the death of
Foster, whether "suiciding" him or murdering him, *all* for
"national security"?
Question: Can the President and First Lady shield themselves from
federal criminal charges with a plea of so-called "national
security"?
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[CN Editor -- I cannot vouch for the accuracy of *all* of the
following. It may or may not be true, I just don't know. However
I consider Skolnick to be an honest and careful investigator.]
[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put
out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up
the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]
Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts,
9800 South Oglesby.
She's a consultant on high-tech -- Trapp Technologies -- and, an
expert on espionage: Debra von Trapp.
DEBRA VON TRAPP: I, along with Robert Getzman(sp?), an FBI
employee, Peter Stanley, a CIA employee named Wes Thomas, out
of New York, a DIA [Defense Intelligence Agency] employee named
Jim Colefield(sp?), who is a banking communications software
transfer specialist out of Washington DC... This team of
people, when [George] Bush lost the election, we transitioned
from the project we were on to being paid (although *I* was
never paid -- they were paid) by the Japanese government,
through the Embassy of Japan in Washington, to set up a
surveillance operation on the Clinton administration. And
essentially what we did was, we arranged to have a CIA employee
that was left at the White House in an office administration,
named David Herold(?), issue all of the Clinton
administration's purchase orders out of the executive office.
But from the very moment that he was President, he was spied on
by the Japanese government, and all of his communications were
compromised.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK: Didn't the Secret Service or any of them...
In other words, was there some connivance with the Secret
Service so that they...
DEBRA VON TRAPP: Oh! Specifically, one specific Secret Service
person that cooperated entirely. And that Secret Service agent
was bounced out of the White House. He'd been there under Bush,
and then with Clinton. And he was sent back to the Secret
Service office at Oklahoma City.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK: And that's the one that died there, in the
bombing?
DEBRA VON TRAPP: Yeah. And in fact, they made sure that he was
in the building that morning, before they set the bomb off.
That was specifically intended, by the Japanese government, who
had, again, paid for and "contracted" this. It was a "message"
back.
And April 19th is *not* the significant date on this. It was
April *20th* in Japan -- it was one month, *to* *the* *day*, of
the subway attack, which was March 20th.
And then Clinton and Hillary sat in front of his [the deceased
Secret Service agent's] widow and daughter at the memorial
service.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK: In other words, Clinton... You believe that
the President has some knowledge of what's going on?
DEBRA VON TRAPP: The President has *direct* knowledge! I mean,
the White House has had direct communication with me, which is
why you see the "White House Counsel" faxes back to me -- have
you seen cover sheets from that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK: Yes.
DEBRA VON TRAPP: We've been in a complete discussion about what
they were going to do about these circumstances, and the fact
that the Japanese had "bugged" the White House and the DNC
[Democratic National Committee] and the District of Columbia,
since we... on the operation that I was on. *I* thought I was
turning everybody in to Janet Reno and she turned the
investigation over to Paul Coffey(sp?) -- and *he* killed the
investigation!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK: How long ago was that?
DEBRA VON TRAPP: She started the investigation July 25th of
'94, and by August, Coffey had killed it.
You see, I am outside of this. I owned a consulting firm that
was taken over by the FBI and CIA, without any choice on my
part. Because I had crossed Aldrich Ames and Daniel
Starkey(sp?) at Xerox, early on in my career. And then they had
come back and tried to take everything from me, including my
house. Then they threatened to kill myself and my child.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK: (A court fight developed between her and Xerox
when she tried to expose Xerox for unlawfully selling high
technology to the Soviet bloc at a time it was illegal to do so.)
DEBRA VON TRAPP: Well, Robert Getzman called me the night that
Vince Foster died -- excited, screaming over the phone, "We
*did* him! We *did* him!" And I said, "Did *who*?" And he said,
"Vince Foster." And I said, "What do you mean?" And he said,
"We *did* him!" And I said, "Well *where* did you 'do' him?"
And he said, "Well we did him somewhere else, but we dumped him
in a 'queer' park to send Clinton and his 'queer' wife a
message!"
SHERMAN SKOLNICK: (She says the American CIA arranged the poison
gas attack against the Japanese subway, and they got revenge by
bombing the building in Oklahoma. She said the citizens' militias
had nothing to do with it!)
SHERMAN SKOLNICK: Who do you believe the "job" was contracted
out to, as to the Oklahoma City bombing?
DEBRA VON TRAPP: A few individuals that are presently still
active military, special operations, out of a base in Alabama.
In Chicago, see us on cable tv, channel 21, 9 pm [cst] most
Monday evenings.
Play it again: "The *Rotten* FBI". (312) 731-1505.
New message Tuesday; we change it several times a week.
Donations appreciated. Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the
Courts, 9800 South Oglesby, Chicago, [Illinois] 60617. For the
latest on courts, banks, espionage agencies, political
assassinations, and the news media. On 24 hours a day.
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INTERVIEW WITH DEBRA VON TRAPP
By Sherman H. Skolnick
(Transcribed by Brian Francis Redman)
[Preliminary note: Mr. Skolnick is scheduled to appear on *Radio
Free America*, 5.065 MHz, 9 pm cst, on Monday, May 8, 1995. He
will be discussing, among other things, what he has learned about
the tragic Oklahoma City bombing.]
I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with either all or
portions of the following.
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[Mr. Skolnick first speaks briefly to Conspiracy Nation, then re-
plays his tape recording of his May 5th, 1995 interview with Ms.
von Trapp.]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I had sent some faxes of some of our stories to Debra von Trapp.
And she's with Trapp Technologies. And she called me, Friday
evening, May 5th, 1995. And I told her I would like to tape a
lengthy interview with her, to use on whatever media I could get
it on -- whether on a radio show, or elsewhere.
And so, this is the interview and discussion that I had with her.
I may pause, from time to time, to -- well, I may have to go
back, in fact, and look in our file and spell some of the names
that are mentioned here, that are complicated. We've got some
backup documents (news stories and so on, that support her story)
with complicated names from where she used to work.
But I'll begin the interview right now. You ready?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. It's goin'.
======= START OF MR. SKOLNICK'S INTERVIEW WITH VON TRAPP =======
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
What I wanted to find out first are some of the details; why you
believe these things have been happening.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
You mean which points?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, as I understand... Well, the point is, you have been a
high-level technical expert, sort of on the cutting edge of high
technology. Am I correct?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Yes.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In the computer field, and you've done work, apparently,
worldwide.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
That's correct.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In the course of your work, you found out certain things, such as
that some companies were actually committing espionage and so on?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Yes. As an outside consultant to Xerox Corporation, I was
selecting foreign management for a division called Shugart back
in the early '80s in Germany, when I discovered that the Shugart
division of Xerox was, in fact, bringing disk drives -- which
were manufactured by [Matshusta(?)] in Japan -- they were
manufactured there, brought into Sunnyvale, California, labeled
for Shugart, and then sent to the Shugart Munich facility in
Germany, where, after having been received under Cocomm(?)
freight documents (which were legally forwarded in the U.S.), the
freight documents were then changed to show that they were
forwarded to destinations at Olivetti, Italy and a company in
France (which were legal trading partners of the U.S.) when, in
fact, the sales records were being changed and ultimately
destroyed by the Shugart employees -- allegedly, for tax evasion
purposes. But, in fact, the [disk] drives were being put on
trucks and sent into the East Bloc, to an entity called
IsoTempex(sp?); they were selling to the KGB.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So in other words, this was early in the '80s, when it was really
quite unlawful for American companies to be sending hard disk
drives to the Eastern Bloc, am I correct?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
That's correct.
And at the same time, Xerox Corporation was, in fact, conducting
CIA training camp at its Leesburg, Virginia facility.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So some of the big companies in America have been into East-West
espionage.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Yes. In fact, Aldrich Ames was the chief of Russian counter-
intelligence at the time. And "Rick" Ames and a director of
operations at Xerox/CIA (which was Daniel Starkey), he and Ames
and a few senior officials, both at Xerox and the CIA, were
pocketing the cash out of that operation.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So in other words, there's some angles of the Aldrich Ames spy
scandal that the, has not come out, which you're just mentioning
now.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Right. But in fact, that all connects forward to what we're
looking at today: with some of the same team of people out of CIA
and FBI... Ultimately, that were involved with *all* of these
folks.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In other words, that the Aldrich Ames scandal, they haven't gone
into *this*; there's a lot to it yet, in other words.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Yes.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Tell me this: in the process of learning about this, this type of
thing, I understand that you became knowledgeable about the fact
that the Japanese have been spying on the Clinton White House. Is
that correct?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
That's correct. But it wasn't outside knowledge; I was inside
that operation. Some of the same people that came out of that
Xerox/"Rick" Ames scenario in the early '80s then transitioned...
There's a specific person, Robert Goetzman, who is a high-ranking
FBI official, who has what is known as "dual agency" -- he
operates, also, out of the CIA -- and had a heavy relationship
with Daniel Starkey out at Xerox.
When I had, ultimately, decided to go to the FBI over what I knew
about Xerox and then discovered that that investigation had been
completely closed. And then I was ultimately threatened -- both
myself and my son -- by Xerox officials and their outside
counsel. When they failed to intimidate me, and I had actually
ended up in litigation with them.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, I noticed some of the stories from '91 and '92 about your
litigation with Xerox.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
That actually went up through this year. We were still in federal
court, as of last year, over that.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So in other words, some of these things have been a matter of
court record, but are not too well-known to the public.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
That's right. And actually, we have *substantial* court records,
between myself and MCA, Mitsubishi, and Xerox, at different times
while they've tried to insure that I wouldn't discuss this with
any of the mainstream media or have the public become
knowledgeable about it.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So you are of the opinion that, from what you know, that there's
a tremendous fight between the Washington government and the
Tokyo government -- sort of a financial fight, having to do with
the Yen/Dollar ratio, and so on?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Yes. And that's derivative of the fact that Robert Goetzman, when
he approached me on behalf of Xerox in 1991 to dissuade me, by
threat, to get out of court with them, he did not identify
himself as FBI. He introduced himself as being from the Executive
Office of the President, under Mr. Bush. And ultimately, [he]
persuaded me, by threat, as a trade-off to not having my son
killed, to cooperate with them in introductions to CEOs and
chairmen within the computer industry to be able to view their,
what we would know as their "black hole technology", which was
technology and development that was very advanced, that was not
released to the public and was well-ahead of the government
developments in various projects, in many cases. And that
introduction, and that project that we were on, was actually a
national network surveillance project that was partially based
out of an Air Force base in Alabama, and was related to the
officers from the Air Force that were in the downed aircraft in
Alabama, two days before the Oklahoma...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. In other words, a day-and-a-half before, on Monday, April
17th, 1995, there was a high-level military group on a military
Lear Jet, that crashed -- apparently... Well, the story in the
press said that they were on their way from Andrews Air Force
Base to San Antonio. But, apparently, the plane blew up, or
something happened to it, as they were over Alabama.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Yes. Because the same, the Special Ops team that was under
Goetzman, contracted by he and his team, and paid for with
Japanese government funds through MCA Universal and administered
through the Embassy of Japan, in Washington... Some members of a
Special Ops team out of Alabama are responsible -- both for the
downing of that craft, and for taking down the Oklahoma federal
building.
[...to be continued...]
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INTERVIEW WITH DEBRA VON TRAPP
By Sherman H. Skolnick
(Transcribed by Brian Francis Redman)
I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with either all or
portions of the following. -- CN Editor.
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[...continued...]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well first of all, you believe that that plane was, crashed and
killed everybody, because of sabotage.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Yes. And it was specifically set to be downed over Alabama so as
to be recovered within that state.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I noticed that one of those on board had previously been on the
National Security Agency advisory board, also on the Army
Security advisory board. So that was a top-level espionage person
that died in that crash.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Right. And also, the person in charge of technical acquisition
for the Air Force, out of Alabama, out of the same base that
Goetzman and I reported into on the national...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Do you think that the mainstream media should have been aware
that this plane was sabotaged and has covered it up in some way?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
I think that mainstream media, in many cases, is so attached to
government intelligence that they have no choice but to do that.
I know that I was interviewed both by Jim Norman of *Forbes*
magazine during my first revelations over Xerox and Aldrich Ames
and Shugart, in the, I guess around '90 and '91. And his story
was killed at *that* time. He was told to remove his records from
his office and forget that he talked to me. And ironically, he
interviewed me last week about this and the same thing happened
to him two days ago.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In other words, Mr. Norman had interviewed you several years ago?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Yes. I have my original documents of our communication.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And then the story about a division of Xerox in the spy business
was, his magazine killed that story a couple of years ago?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Yes.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And you believe that his current story that he's working on,
about a company called Systematics, is likewise gonna be killed?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Yes. And I was specifically informed two days ago that his
interview of me, regarding the Oklahoma City bombing, which I had
announced from my firm to a news service in Washington, the day
before it happened...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. I understand. You called a very skilled, one of the most
skilled White House journalists -- she's been covering the White
House since [Harry S.] Truman's time -- Sarah McLendon. You left
word on her answering machine the night before the bombing that
something... What did you leave word on?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Well, specifically, what had occurred was, I was watching the
President's press conference. Sarah stood up and said, "Mr.
President. What's going on at the CIA? They're shipping records
out of the building, back to ex-employees."
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
And I realized that Sarah had some contact, some awareness, of
the fact that they *were* trying to dump CIA documents out of the
building. Because I was talking, and putting out press releases,
and had specifically had communication both with Clinton's office
and with [Leon] Panetta's office and with Janet Reno and with
Paul Coffey. [Unclear] the chief of the organized crime and
racketeering section, and had told him that I was going to go
public with this information. And suddenly, the CIA is emptying
the building. And Sarah [McLendon] noticed this. So, as the press
conference was going on, I got on her telephone, and on her voice
mail, and explained to her that I *knew* what was wrong with the
CIA, proceeded to tell her the background on both the Xerox and
the Japanese, that situation: what had happened as far as the
Japanese and Robert Goetzman and a team of people related to
Systematics, actually, this banking software expert, Jim Cofield,
and a CIA communications expert named Jerry Thomlinson(?).
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah... Thomlinson's background. He's really into very high tech
in respect to devices that could be used for audio and visual
surveillance.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Right. In fact Thomlinson and I were together with Goetzman on
the "bugging" of the Perot petitions committee. Thomlinson
actually was setting up the town hall meetings, and Perot didn't
know that he was actually "bugging" them, on behalf of the CIA.
And Goetzman had me volunteer for a few weeks [unclear] with
Thomlinson while he was doing this.
And, but to get back to Sarah [McLendon], what I left on her
voice mail, the background on the story: And I said, "Sarah, our
government was responsible for the gas attack in the Japanese
subway. And there is an impending attack; there will be a bombing
of a U.S. federal building, in retaliation for that."
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
How do you suppose that they... In other words, from your
sources, you suspected that there was something like that gonna
happen?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Well now I didn't suspect anything; others, in the middle of the
operation, knew exactly who paid for this, who contracted it, and
who did it -- I... -- firsthand knowledge of this operation. And
what I've been trying to *explain* to people is that I am not...
Although I am an analyst for a *living* in my own industry, I, in
fact, was in the middle of this operation. And the reason why I'm
still sitting here, alive, today is because last year, they tried
to kill me. I survived the attack. They actually took me out of
my house. And two sheriff's deputies found me, 100 miles from my
home, barely alive.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In other words, you're very brave to come public with this, and
to discuss this.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Well what I did was, subsequent to my surviving that attack, they
had a lot of contact with me after that, while I thought I was
trying to turn them in to Janet Reno. And we were fighting, or
in-fighting if you will. And I recorded all their telephone
conversations.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In other words, you were very brave in speaking out about these
things. And you feel that that sort of work that you got involved
in, that some in your team had something to do with arranging the
tragedy regarding the Oklahoma building.
Who do you suspect was involved with that?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
I know exactly who did it. What had happened was, I, along with
Robert Goetzman, an FBI employee, Peter Stanley, a CIA employee
named Wes Thomas, out of New York, a DIA employee named Jim
Cofield, who is a banking communications software transfer
specialist out of Washington, D.C.... This team of people, when
Bush lost the election, we transitioned from the project we were
on, to being paid (although *I* was never paid -- they were paid)
by the Japanese government through the Embassy of Japan in
Washington to set up a surveillance operation on the Clinton
administration. And essentially what we did was, we arranged to
have a CIA employee that was left at the White House, in an
office administration, named Dale Helm, issue all of the Clinton
administration's purchase orders out of the Executive Office to
all of their front companies. Robert Goetzman had Joint System
Support, Ltd. Peter Stanley had ValCom(?). Jim Cofield had
UniTech(sp?) and Kayjax(?) Engineering in Washington, D.C. And
Wes Thomas used his [unclear] PR firm [unclear] Karen Thomas, who
operates in the computer industry, Thomas & Associates. And all
of those entities, together, processed, procured, and delivered
the software and the hardware under the first purchase orders
issued out of the administration.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In other words, they re-equipped the White House when Clinton
came in as the new President...
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Right.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...and you were in with the team that was involved with that?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Yeah. In fact, I helped procure a lot of the software and some of
the hardware on that. And basically, what we did was we put
[unclear] motherboards into the new Executive Office computers,
put all-new software in there. Peter Stanley sold Hillary her
MacIntosh. We sold *all* of the software that was delivered to
the Democratic National Committee -- about a half-million dollars
worth, although they only paid about $52,000 for it.
[...to be continued...]
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INTERVIEW WITH DEBRA VON TRAPP
By Sherman H. Skolnick
(Transcribed by Brian Francis Redman)
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[...continued...]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I understand that when, some television sets were arranged, uh --
what was it? -- for the inauguration?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
That's right. Goetzman had, he gave me the name and phone number
of an officer of Mitsubishi electric, in Anaheim, California. And
I called in. And what they did was, they put three Mitsubishi 60-
inch televisions on a truck, trucked them to the Lincoln
Memorial. Peter Stanley and Robert Goetzman met the delivery,
lifted the screens, and put in transponding units -- video/audio
transponding. They rolled them in to the V.I.P. tent, where
Clinton was waiting during his appearances at both the Lincoln
Memorial and then, again, at the Capital Center in Maryland. We
trucked the TVs from one location to another.
And from the very moment that he was President, he was spied on
by the Japanese government, and all his communications were
compromised.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Didn't the Secret Service or any of them... In other words, was
there some connivance with the Secret Service so that they...
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Oh! Specifically, one specific Secret Service person that
cooperated entirely. And that person was the gentleman that was
bounced out of the White House when I finally surfaced with
[Walter] Mondale on all of this information in October of '94.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, I saw that you had faxed some things to Mondale's office as
the Ambassador to Tokyo [i.e., Ambassador to Japan].
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Right. And Mondale, instead of going through... You noticed that
the last communication I had with him was the day before the
trade sanctions were supposed to go into effect. Then, notably,
they never *did* go into effect.
Mondale and Mickey Kantor then went back to the White House, had
conversations with Clinton. That Secret Service agent was bounced
out of the White House; he had been there under Bush and then
with Clinton. And he was sent back to the Secret Service office
at Oklahoma City.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And that's the one that died there, with the bombing?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Yeah. And in fact, they made sure that he was in the building
that morning, before they set the bomb off. That was specifically
intended by the Japanese government who had, again, paid for and
contracted this. It was a "message" back.
And April 19th is not the significant date on this. It was April
*20th* in Japan. It was one month, *to* *the* *day*, of the
subway attack -- which was March 20th.
And then Clinton and Hillary sat in front of his widow and
daughter at the memorial service. If you check video of even the
memorial service that was held for the city, that Clinton
attended, his widow and daughter are seated directly behind them.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So that, in other words, Clinton... You believe that the
President has some knowledge of what's going on?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
The President has direct knowledge! I mean, I've had... The White
House has had direct communication with me. Which is why you see
the White House counsel faxes back to me -- if you've seen cover
sheets on that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yes.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
That, [clears throat] excuse me, they... We sent in a complete
discussion about what they were going to do about these
circumstances, and the fact that the Japanese had "bugged" the
White House and the DNC [Democratic National Committee] and the
District of Columbia essentially, on the operation that I was on.
I thought I was turning everybody in to Janet Reno. And then she
turned the investigation over to Paul Coffey, and he killed the
investigation!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
How long ago was that?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
She started the investigation July 25th of '94. And by August,
Coffey had killed it. And he instructed his office that, if I
called in, that his office staff was to hang up on me.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
When I finish here, I think, if you want to fax that to me, those
cover sheets I think I have *not* seen. But I'd like to get them,
if possible.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Okay. Yes. I have all this documented.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I have my other line on the fax (I don't always have it on), on
5742.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Okay.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And if you could fax it in, I have that machine on.
Tell me this, Ms. von Trapp: you (How could I put this?)... I'm
sure the public would like to know: You felt, for some reason,
that it was proper, or your unit felt it was proper, for this
surveillance of the incoming, new, President, since he got into
office? Or what was the logic behind it?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
You see, I am outside of this. I owned a consulting firm that was
taken over by the FBI and CIA, without any choice on my part,
because I had crossed Aldrich Ames, and Daniel Starkey at Xerox,
early on in my career. And then they had come back and tried to
take everything from me, including my house. Then they threatened
to kill myself and my child.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, I noticed that Xerox got into a big fight with you, and
tried to take...
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Right. And filed a false lawsuit against me in a northern
California court, and told the judge they owned the mortgage on
my house...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. I saw that. So, in other words... So you were intimidated
to continue working in that circle, although maybe you personally
didn't approve of what was going on?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
I didn't have any choice at the time. And so, what I thought was
that (since I *didn't* have a choice) I would stay inside the
operation. And eventually, I'd be able to take them -- since I
*knew* I was inside something that was worse than Watergate --
that eventually, I could just turn them in to the Justice
Department and...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well at the time, in other words, you had confidence in Janet
Reno.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Exactly.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
But, in other words, do you have that confidence now?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Not at all. In fact, I fax and call Janet Reno on a regular
basis. My last fax to her was, asking her how she's ever going to
explain to the American public that she's a willing baby killer,
that is not disclosing the truth about what went on here. And I
asked her, what Paul Coffey must have on her, what he was
blackmailing her with, to allow her, as attorney general, to turn
her head to this entire compromise of White House communications,
and to allow certain federal agents to continue at this activity.
I'm *blatant* in my hostility and in my aggressive questioning of
what's going on at the White House and the Justice Department
right now.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In other words, you think they're being blackmailed or
intimidated, themselves?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
I think Janet Reno... Paul Coffey is "old guard". He's been
there, under the Bush administration (which was, effectively,
CIA). And I think that, somehow, they have compromised Miss Reno,
to place her in a position where she *has* no authority at the
Justice Department.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well some people... Yeah. There's documents came out in the
Inslaw case, contending that there's a secret unit in the Justice
Department that commits domestic and foreign political murders!
And that was a rebuttal by the Inslaw group to a report that came
out, called "The Bua Report".
DEBRA VON TRAPP: Well, Robert Getzman called me the night that
Vince Foster died -- excited, screaming over the phone, "We *did*
him! We *did* him!" And I said, "Did *who*?" And he said, "Vince
Foster." And I said, "What do you mean?" And he said, "We *did*
him!" And I said, "Well *where* did you 'do' him?" And he said,
"Well we did him somewhere else, but we dumped him in a 'queer'
park to send Clinton and his 'queer' wife a message!"
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. That's one thing that, that people that know about Fort
Marcy Park know it's a place that homosexuals like to hang out.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
And I had no knowledge of that, hadn't been to Washington to, you
know, understand what was going on.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So there's been a vast cover-up of *that*.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Exactly.
And Cofield is the banking expert that was involved with the
banking issues surrounding Inslaw. And you'll see quite a
parallel between my documentation on the standardization and
transmission of the documents out of, that were created -- all
the communications created out of the White House and the kind of
transmission capability that was created out of the banking
software for the Inslaw case.
[...to be continued...]
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INTERVIEW WITH DEBRA VON TRAPP
By Sherman H. Skolnick
(Transcribed by Brian Francis Redman)
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[...continued...]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So in other words, on the one hand the Japanese, Mitsubishi and
others, apparently have been spying on the Clinton
administration... What is the rationale for them spying on the
Clinton White House?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Well, at the time that Clinton took office, there was a
tremendous trade war going on. And you'll see that our media was
just *full* of stories and hostility about the economic pressure
that the Japanese were bringing to bear on the U.S. economy, and
the great imbalance in trade. And we were actually holding talks
with the "multiple Prime Minister" of the week, since four
changed hands in one year over in the Japanese government.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In other words, Clinton was like an isolationist President,
wanted to emphasize domestic instead of foreign affairs or
something?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
No. They didn't know *what* his card would be. But what they knew
for certain is that the Japanese were taking too much pressure
from even the previous administration. And this real gravy train,
CIA-funded project, under Bush, that this team I was with
conducted -- directly out of the Executive Office of the
President; it was a multi-jurisdictional team that had no other
reporting authority except Bush -- had just a *ton* of cash to
spend. I mean, these were federal government employees, walking
around in $1200 suits, eating $100 lunches, and never thinking
twice about spending money. And suddenly, Bush lost the election;
they lost their project. They talked about doing a surveillance
project on behalf of the CIA on Clinton. And ultimately, that
didn't pan out. So this team decided -- that we had already been
in the Japanese embassy, doing other things; or they had had some
contact -- and basically decided to go to work for the Japanese
government.
MCA Universal, again, which is a wholly-owned subsidiary of
Matsushta(?), which also was the manufacturer of the Shugart
[disk] drives for Xerox and...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. The ones that went to the Eastern Bloc, illegally.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
So the same entity, the Japanese government, came in. Goetzman
and the team carried MCA Universal business cards, with their
name on them!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
MCA, according to some published accounts, has a long, criminal-
enterprise past with what Americans would call "the Mafia".
That's been published.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Yes.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So, in other words, with Matshusta taking them over, it wasn't
that unusual! And *now*, nine days before the Oklahoma bombing,
another criminal enterprise (at least, *some* people believe that
about the Bronfmans) took over MCA from Matshusta.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Yes.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So in other words, it's a criminal enterprise.
Do you believe that the...
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Ironically, the storage facility, which is Japanese Intelligence-
owned (it's called DataLok), in southern California, 65 miles
*below* the Universal City, where MCA Universal is, just after
the subway attack and just before the Oklahoma City bombing, MCA
Universal moved all of its corporate records out of its building
and into the DataLok facility in Tucston(?), California. Now the
DataLok facility was the same place that Goetzman and I, and
Stanley and Cofield and everyone else, we shipped all the
equipment that ultimately ended up in the White House and the
Democratic National Committee and the District of Columbia -- the
"bugged" equipment -- it first was shipped from the manufacturers
into DataLok in Tucston, California, and then *re-shipped* to all
the other destinations.
And so then MCA, in between the gas attack and the bombing, moved
all their corporate records into DataLok. And I hope you're
sitting down and holding onto your desk: because DataLok
currently stores *all* *the* *secure* *documents* *for* *Hughes*
*Aircraft* and some of its divisions that...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Really! [laughs]
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
...a year-and-a-half ago for our national security. Our very
contracts, our government's most sensitive contracts with Hughes
Aircraft, are, in fact, sitting in the same storage facility with
MCA Universal's records. And the Japanese government and Japanese
intelligence... And they've got their run of anything they want
to read at any time of day or night.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, in the Hitachi case, some years ago, what came out was,
Hitachi executives felt justified in spying on IBM because it was
not against Japanese law for a Japanese national to spy on
another country for industrial purposes.
So I guess they... You feel that that's the rationale for what
the Japanese have done? Or...
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Well, I think they benefited greatly by completely compromising
White House communications. Not only did they know everything the
country was doing with everybody else, every other government,
every transaction, every plan they had regarding the trade talks
or sanctions or anything else. They, simply, had great leverage
over Clinton.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Do you think that we, in turn -- our American CIA or the National
Security Agency -- do you think we, in turn, have been spying on
them, both here and overseas?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
I don't think we had that kind of access. I think they had our
government exactly where they wanted them. For the last two
years, the Japanese government has had the upper hand in this
situation entirely.
In fact, MCA is so worried about me knowing all of that
information regarding the Executive Office "bugging" project and
the storage of DataLok records, and the fact that they have the
Hughes Aircraft secure documents in their storage facility, that
they actually bought the neighbor out, across the street from my
home, and -- literally -- the Japanese government and MCA
Universal, one of their directors, is sitting 55 feet from my
front door. Sitting out there to intimidate me!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
>From a historical standpoint, *that* is what espionage people
have done. Although those not familiar with espionage would be
skeptical about the story, I'm not skeptical because I know of
other examples where that very thing is done.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
I wish someone would just come over, and knock on the door in
front of my house and ask them what they're doing there! The
director walked out of the door one morning, handed me a business
card, and said, "Quit talking to the Justice Department. Call
Robert Goetzman." I mean, I've dealt with this *every* *day*
since November of '94 when, after they had kicked that Secret
Service agent back from the White House, back to Oklahoma City,
and Paul Coffey had instructed his staff not to talk to me
anymore, I have been sitting here, with the Japanese government
and MCA sitting across the street from me, *every* *day*, telling
me to be quiet!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So that, the bombing of the Oklahoma building was sort of a
"symbolism", which is understood by those that have been involved
in espionage -- am I correct?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Exactly. What happened was, the Japanese government paid for
that. They footed the bill, and MCA Universal actually dispersed
the funds. Goetzman and his associates contracted that bombing.
The bombing was actually conducted by a few, specific individuals
on a Special Ops team out of a base in Alabama -- not acting on
behalf of the United States government -- acting on behalf of
Goetzman and his team.
And that's why you see that that jet got downed over Alabama as
well.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
It appears, from the circumstances and the witnesses, that the
plane may have been bombed. There were several explosions of the
plane in the air, before it hit the ground.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
The plane *was* bombed.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, that's what it appears, from the eyewitnesses. There were
explosions in the plane, before it hit the ground. And that would
be a bombed aircraft.
Tell me this: has there been other violence? Some of us suspect
that, a few days later, there was a strange helicopter crash in
Texas that seems also related to the Oklahoma City bombing.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Well, I've seen some initial data on that. But that's nothing I
have first-hand knowledge on.
What I can tell you is, I have first-hand knowledge on the
things...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Tell me this: who do you believe the job was contracted out to,
as to the Oklahoma City bombing?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
A few individuals that are, presently, still-active military
Special Operations, out of a base in Alabama.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
What base?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
I know, I know the base and I know an individual holding the
name, rank, and serial numbers of the actual people that were
contracted...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
What base is that, if we may know?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
...and I'm... That information is only being given back to
Secretary [of Defense] Perry at this point.
[...to be continued...]
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INTERVIEW WITH DEBRA VON TRAPP
By Sherman H. Skolnick
(Transcribed by Brian Francis Redman)
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portions of the following. -- CN Editor.
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[...continued...]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK: {1}
I see. But the point is... Is it your opinion that the citizens'
militias, that the President and others accuse, may not be
involved in this at all?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
They had nothing to do with it. And I can tell you that from
first-hand knowledge. They had absolutely nothing to do with
that.
And in fact... Once they (because they know -- and the FBI *knew*
who took that building down, and understood that they had to
create a cover story), they panicked. And because they didn't
know *where* the target was going to be -- they knew it was going
to happen, as I did. But once it *did* happen, and they
understood who the responsible parties were, their cover story...
They attempted to make up this story about this Ryder truck and
the look-alike bombing to New York City [World Trade Center
bombing], to pin it on the Middle East. But nothing they could
feed the American public or the media would add up to that.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well I noticed that Israel immediately sent in one of their
assets, who's with CBS network, Dan Raviv. He co-authored a book
praising Mossad. And he, suddenly, was broadcasting *for* CBS
from Oklahoma City, after the bombing. He's a Mideast expert. I
found it very odd that he suddenly was sent in there. He's sort
of an asset of Israeli Intelligence.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Yeah.
And that just didn't, it didn't gel. They couldn't do much with
it, after about 48 hours.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So in other words, your opinion is, from your work and how you
got involved in espionage by way of -- because they intimidated
you -- that...
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
I didn't get paid for any of those White House deliveries or, you
know. I mean, I watched them do it!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In other words, you were coerced into it because of the details
that you've given me here.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
I contracted the deliveries. That's what I did for them.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So the point is, you think that the higher-ups -- Janet Reno, the
President himself, and so on -- have a good, working knowledge of
what is behind the bombing and are not telling the American
people.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
They knew *exactly* what had happened. And what they did, with
McVeigh, is -- the Middle East story wasn't going to work. So,
someone pointed out that they had this guy in custody and...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He's sort of a "patsy", Lee Harvey Oswald style.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Basically, what happened is, they decided to put out just a
sketch of him. And you've noticed, they haven't produced any tape
or anything else for the American public -- can't come up with
the John Doe #2. {2}.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I've interviewed explosives experts. And they laugh at the
government's explanation of a fertilizer bomb doing that piece of
work.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
There's no possibility of that at all. First of all, I can tell
you from first-hand knowledge that Special Ops team did that
bombing, and did a different kind of bomb altogether. Secondly,
anyone with even a cursory knowledge of bombing, you know, and
not too sophisticated of a knowledge at all, will understand that
their description of that bomb does not mesh with the action of
that bomb.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. We spent about 4-and-a-half months, in 1992, interviewing
Michael Riconosciuto, a computer and explosives expert, when he
was in the jail in Chicago awaiting grand jury testimony. And he
described to us EHT, "Blue Death", which some other explosives
experts are now describing as more likely, from the
circumstances, was the device used to take down the Murrah
Building.
Tell me this: you feel the highest level of our government knows
about this. What do you think is gonna be the outcome? In other
words, your opinion is that, as part of this problem between the
Washington and the Tokyo governments, that our espionage people
instigated those poison gas attacks in Japan?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
My specific knowledge is that a military team produced that gas
attack in retaliation for compromise of White House
communications, which is a military responsibility and was
compromised by the Secret Service agent and Robert Goetzman and
the CIA employee, Dale Helm, who is still at the White House as
we speak.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Where is Goetzman these days? Does anybody know?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Yeah. I actually have his home address in _______, _______. Would
you like it?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yes.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
Okay. Because I think the American public ought to go visit him,
knock on his door and ask him if he thinks it's okay to kill
babies in Oklahoma City.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
What is his address?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
{3}.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
You happen to have a phone number for him?
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
I did. But he disconnected it.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, I understand.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
I *do* have a phone number for Jim Cofield...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well... Yeah. Give it to us. We'll utilize it in some way, in an
interview or something.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
{4}.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Let's see if we can summarize this: Because of your background in
very high technology, you got involved in certain projects. You
were intimidated into it. And part of those projects were the
"bugging" of the Clinton White House. In fact, going all the way
back to the inaugural get-togethers.
DEBRA VON TRAPP:
I still have the televisions! The inaugural committee...
Mitsubishi and Goetzman abandoned the TVs on the sidewalk at the
Lincoln Memorial. It rained on them. A truck backed into them.
The inaugural committee called me and demanded that I remove the
debris. So I agreed to take responsibility for it. And they
shipped them over to the Washington Naval Shipyard, and then put
'em on a United Van Lines truck (which is the official carrier
for the President). And, at their expense, trucked them back to
me in Irvine, California, and dumped them in my driveway!
[...to be continued...]
---------------------------<< Notes >>---------------------------
{1} Skolnick stops the tape to interject at this point:
"I would like to insert here, I believe that base is Gunther
Air Force Base in Alabama."
{2} Skolnick stops the tape to interject at this point:
"Let me insert something here: there is a television station
manager in Oklahoma (let's see if I have his name here) who
contends that he has got video tape, proving -- this is KPOC TV,
Ponca, Oklahoma. His name is David Hall, and he's the television
station manager. (405) 767-8827. And others that have talked to
him, that I know about... David Hall contends that they've got
video tape and other proof, from his television station, that
Timothy McVeigh was *not*, as the government contends, arrested
on a traffic violation an hour-and-a-half after the Oklahoma City
bombing, but in fact was arrested for the first time on Friday,
April 21st, '95. If David Hall's, what he contends, that he's got
some proof -- video tape -- is correct, then the whole Timothy
McVeigh story would fall apart."
"I have no personal knowledge of it, but it would not surprise
me that the whole McVeigh thing is a fraudulent story by Janet
Reno and the President, because they *do* know the truth, as Ms.
von Trapp is setting it forth."
"And there's something about Ms. von Trapp's story that leads
me to think that it is quite correct! It rings true."
{3} Regarding Goetzman's address: bearing in mind that, in this
country, a person is innocent until proven guilty (something
which many supposedly "professional" journalists have shockingly
forgotten vis a vis Timothy McVeigh), I will provide the address
to responsible journalists and investigators wishing to make
polite inquiries.
Worth mentioning also, regarding the press: President Clinton
has asked that you "call up short" the "purveyors of paranoia".
Well? Where are you on this von Trapp testimony? *Your* *silence*
*is* *deafening*. When will the mainstream press be following up
on this story? Soon, I hope. After all, you don't want any
"fragile minds" beginning to think that what von Trapp is saying
could be true!
Hey media!! Where are you guys!? When will we see you
following up on this story?
{4} Regarding Cofield's phone number: I will provide same to
responsible journalists and investigators wishing to make polite
inquiries.
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FEDS "FIB" ON OKLAHOMA CITY BOMB SAYS EX-HIGH LEVEL FBI OFFICIAL
Evidence Indicates High-Tech Device
An expert on security and terrorism says the government isn't
telling the truth about the bomb that devastated the building in
Oklahoma City.
EXCLUSIVE TO *THE SPOTLIGHT*
By Mike Blair
A very high tech and top secret barometric bomb was the cause of
the explosion that destroyed the Alfred P. Murrah Federal
Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, with a loss of life that
may reach and even exceed 200 persons.
That is the conclusion of an FBI veteran with 28 years of
service, Ted L. Gunderson of Santa Monica, California. He
dismisses as a cover-up U.S. Justice Department claims that a
simple bomb, concocted from fertilizer and fuel oil, was
responsible for the blast.
According to Gunderson, the bomb was an electrohydrodynamic
gaseous fuel device (barometric bomb), which could not have been
built by former Persian Gulf War Army veteran Timothy McVeigh and
his rural Michigan farming friends, brothers James and Terry
Nichols -- at least not without the aid of persons, as yet
unknown. Those persons would need to possess knowledge of
research classified at the very highest level of top secret by
the U.S. government, in addition to access to a vast array of
chemical and electronic components.
Former Army Sgt. McVeigh has been charged as being a key player
in the bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building and the
Nichols brothers stand accused of conspiring with McVeigh in the
production of explosives...
McVeigh, initially charged as "John Doe No. 1" in a federal
warrant, and as yet, according to the Justice Department and FBI,
an unknown "John Doe No. 2," the subject of a massive nation-wide
dragnet, are accused of delivering the bomb to the front of the
federal building and igniting it.
Gunderson, in several lengthy interviews with *The Spotlight*,
has revealed that he knows the inventors of the type of bomb that
devastated the Oklahoma City building, one of whom, upon learning
of details of the blast, told Gunderson, "That's my bomb."
Gunderson has obtained from an expert who has knowledge of the
device an abstract description, including a diagram, of the bomb,
described in the abstract as "top secret due to the ease in which
the device can be created."
"Technically," according to the abstract, "it is considered an
'A-neutronic' device, hence the designated 'Q' clearance is
required for information."
"For the sake of security, the electronic detonation sequence
shall not be described herein" to prevent the process from being
copied, the abstract indicates.
>From sources familiar with U.S. government classification
methods, "Q" clearance is required to obtain access to, among
other things, nuclear weapons components, including small --
easily transportable by a single person -- portable nuclear
bombs.
Vastly more sophisticated than the fuel oil-fertilizer bomb [CN
-- "The Mannlicher-Carcano bomb"] now being described by federal
agents as weighing up to 5,000 pounds, the A-neutronic device may
have been "the size of a small pineapple," according to the
abstract.
-+- Misleading Claims -+-
Gunderson, who retired in 1979 from the FBI as the senior special
agent in charge of the bureau's Los Angeles office, takes a dim
view of FBI and Justice Department claims that the bomb
responsible for the Oklahoma City blast was a concoction of
fertilizer and fuel oil, delivered to the front of the building
in a large rented moving van.
Federal officials started out claiming the bomb weighed 1,000
pounds, then up-scaled it to 1,400 pounds, then 4,000 pounds and
now up to 5,000 pounds, with claims of the size of the delivery
vehicle also being up-scaled from a delivery van to now a moving
van.
"It appears the government keeps up-grading the size of the
vehicle and the 'fertilizer' bomb to coincide with the damage,"
Gunderson said.
The attention of *The Spotlight* was focused on Gunderson when
this newspaper received a fax sent out by the high-level FBI
veteran, dated April 26. Headed "To Whom It May Concern," the fax
message was sent to a number of individuals and organizations,
including his former employer, the FBI.
-+- Seismographic Report -+-
Gunderson included with the fax a copy of a seismograph record
from the Oklahoma Geological Survey, located at the University of
Oklahoma at Norman, about 15 miles south of Oklahoma City.
The seismograph record indicates that there were two explosions
involved in the April 19 bombing, which coincides with the
reports of a number of people in and around the building at the
time it was devastated.
Gunderson stated in his fax message that from the seismographic
record, Dr. Ken Louzza at the university "advised there were two
surface waves, one at 9:02 am and 13 seconds and the other at
9:02 am and 23 seconds on April 19, 1995 (10 seconds apart). He
stated [the] chart indicates two detonations."
Despite this evidence of two distinct blasts and reports of
people at the scene, the FBI and Justice Department insists there
was only one explosion, a position which up until now the
national media has chosen to believe and has ignored the
university seismographic report.
In confronting the university's seismologist with this FBI claim,
Gunderson was told, "I don't care what the government says. There
were two events, 10 seconds apart."
To make certain of what he had been told, Gunderson, with years
of interviewing in criminal cases under his belt, said "I wrote
it down and repeated it back to him and he confirmed that was
what he stated."
It is noted that the FBI, after insisting for several days after
the bombing that it had occurred at 9:04 am, has now changed the
official time to 9:02, which conforms to the seismographic record
from the University of Oklahoma.
In any case, it was the two-explosion reports that led Gunderson
to rule out the fertilizer bomb and to zero in on the more
sophisticated A-neutronic device.
Although the abstract provided to Gunderson is relatively
technical in nature, it basically states that the bomb consists
of a cylinder of just "64 ounces or more of ammonium nitrate,"
which surrounds a shaft of aluminum silicate that has at its
center another shaft of an explosive known as PETN, described to
*The Spotlight* as a "low volume explosive."
The abstract states that when the PETN is detonated the top of
the canister or tank containing the bomb "flies upwards and the
bottom of the tank opens up into a flower petal shape.
Immediately the ammonium nitrate mixes with the shattered micro-
encapsulated aluminum silicate to create an even more devastating
explosive fuel cloud. This cloud is then energized with a high
potential electrostatic field resulting in the creation of
millions of microfronts."
The abstract further indicates that the "cold cloud" is then
detonated by a charge that "is cushioned from the first blast due
to a shock absorbing cavity."
"This time," the document continues, "the cold cloud ignites,
creating a shock wave which surpasses the traditional effects of
TNT. The most astounding effects of this type of detonation is
the immediate atmospheric overpressure which has a tendency to
blow out windows [of] any structure within the vicinity of the
blast."
-+- Building Vulnerable -+-
In reporting on the vulnerability of the building to the
explosion, the *New York Times* in its April 28 edition, page
A27, reported as follows: "The Federal Building in Oklahoma City
may also have been vulnerable because of its ground level atrium
and glass facade. The problem was not with flying glass -- a
small hazard compared with collapsing concrete -- but with the
way the blast was able to penetrate the glass easily and push up
the floors at the lower levels, some experts said."
The *Times* reported further: "Anatol Longinow, an engineer at
Wiss, Janney, Elstner Associates, a firm in Chicago that
investigates structural failures, said that when a bomb goes off
at street level, the blast 'expands spherically, and it hits the
floors up instead of down,' by coming in under them."
"'The floors are not intended to go up in any event,' he said. If
pushed in a direction opposite from normal, he said, the floors
may break loose relatively easily and crash down in a pancake-
like pile."
It is this "pancake-like pile" of the several stories of the
building that has caused rescue workers and firemen so much
trouble in their search for survivors and retrieval of the dead
from the structure.
-+- Confirmed At Hearing -+-
However, it was reports from a hearing on the charges faced by
McVeigh held before Federal Magistrate Ronald Howland in El Reno,
Oklahoma, on April 28, that the final clue to the use of the A-
neutronic device in destroying the federal building was revealed.
*USA Today* of April 28 reported on its page 3A that final clue.
The paper's editors do not realize that they had inserted in
their newspaper the final piece of the bomb's mosaic.
The article stated: "The decision came after hours of testimony
from [FBI] Special Agent John Hersley, who said a shirt McVeigh
was wearing when he was arrested [by an Oklahoma state trooper
during his alleged get-away] had traces of the explosive PDTN."
(This is not a typographical error; there are two kinds of
explosives with similar names associated with the bomb described
by Gunderson -- PETN and PDTN. PETN is used in the initial
detonation which releases ammonium nitrate and aluminum silicate
to mix in a cloud. PDTN is used to detonate the electrically-
charged cloud. The reason PDTN is not used in both charges is
because, if it were used in the first detonation, it would be of
such a violent explosive nature that it would detonate the
secondary charge at the same time. -- *Spotlight* Editor)
When this was passed on to Gunderson by *The Spotlight* and after
the veteran FBI boss had consulted with an expert connected with
the design of the A-neutronic device, Gunderson called this
newspaper, stating:
"You just won the Super Bowl."
The explosive PDTN, Gunderson had been told, is the substance
used to detonate the second explosion, which in turn detonates
the electrified cloud mixture of ammonium nitrate and aluminum
silicate, causing the major devastating blast that virtually
wiped out nearly two-thirds of the federal building.
Completing the picture of the A-neutronic device even further,
the *Arkansas Democrat Gazette*, published in Little Rock, in
describing the FBI's contention in its April 30 edition that the
"fertilizer" bomb concoction was detonated by using explosive
cord wrapped around the barrels, it stated: "The barrels were
somehow tied together with high-explosive detonator cord, a rope-
like device that contains the explosive PETN, an official told
the *Dallas Morning News*."
While it is true that the explosive PETN may be used in explosive
cord, as described, it is also, according to the A-neutronic bomb
designers, the explosive used in the initial phase of detonating
the A-neutronic device -- the release and dispersal of the
ammonium nitrate and aluminum silicate combination.
There is no evidence that has surfaced, or [has been] claimed by
FBI agents, that both explosive substances -- PDTN and PETN --
were used in their "fertilizer" bomb story.
At 5:45 pm on April 28, Gunderson received a call from the FBI
office where he had faxed his memo and the material he had
collected on the bomb.
"They asked me if I cared if they faxed my fax to other field
offices around the country," Gunderson told *The Spotlight*. "It
was a BS call. They just wanted to know where I am."
Gunderson, whose life has been at risk numerous times during his
long career, said, quite matter-of-factly, "Of course, if
anything does happen to me, it just confirms what I have
uncovered."
Was a moving van used to transport the bomb to the blast site?
"They could have delivered it in a suitcase," the former G-man
said.
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
LATE-BREAKING NEWS
*The Spotlight* received the following message from Ted Gunderson
on May 4:
"I was contacted anonymously on May 3, 1995 by a federal criminal
investigator who is involved in the [Oklahoma City bomb] case. He
stated the bombing was an enhanced reflection wave detonation
with a duplex charge. Had it been ammonia nitrate [of the type
used in a fertilizer bomb] there would have been nitric acid
clouds and none of the workers would have been allowed in the
area without breathing masks."
"He stated 'John Doe 2' was vaporized by design. Timothy McVeigh
is also a throw-away [a term used by the FBI and others for an
expendable asset]. He advised that the debri(s) field was
collapsed toward the center. There was something inside the
building, probably another bomb. It was a 'drop and shear'
charge."
"They looked for signs of ammonia nitrate (fertilizer) and there
were none. He stated Gunderson is 100 percent right."
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
>From *The Spotlight*, May 15, 1995 issue.
*The Spotlight*, a populist weekly newspaper. To subscribe, call
1-800-522-6292 (In Maryland phone (301) 951-6292).
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MAY 17, 1995
On May 17, 1995, I interviewed, by telephone, Mr. Sherman
Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts
[CCCC]. The following is my summary of that interview. (Note that
in the following, I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of Mr. Skolnick's statements.)
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CONSPIRACY NATION:
What's going on these days with Whitewater?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
What's happening is, there's a statute of limitations deadline,
that's May 25th, '95, to do something about White House aide
Bruce Lindsey. He's mentioned in different stories as having been
fingered by uh -- Neal Ainsley, I think the name is? So, many
expected that he was the next to be indicted. And he occupies the
office, in the White House, between the oval office and Al Gore.
So he's not a "nobody".
So, if between now and the 25th, Kenneth Starr causes Mr. Lindsey
to be indicted, then, the way the dominoes are falling, the next
one would fall on the oval office: Clinton himself.
And so, it may be that there's a great deal of nervousness now in
the White House.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
One thing I've always noticed is, sometimes, on your recorded
commentaries {1}, you'll say "Our chairman", okay? You'll say,
"This person was interviewed by 'our chairman.'" Who's "The
chairman"?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, that's me. The point is, I don't like to talk in the first
person, 'cuz I'm a spokesman for the group, and this isn't a
personal commentary. I don't know if it would sound right if I
said "me", "I", and stuff like that. I talk in the third person
so that, irrespective of *who* is delivering the commentary to
the recorded tape, it would sound more objective.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay.
I wanted to get into this idea of "The New World Order". For
somebody like me, that I, essentially, I come from the "left", as
my background (although, recently, I've been reading a lot of
different sources; not just from the "left") -- but I can
understand where, somebody from the "left" would automatically
respond to this idea of "The New World Order" as...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, you know, when I used to give speeches in front of colleges
several years ago, I had this favorite saying that some of the
students understood. I says, "You know, they try very hard (the
press does, and the FBI and the rest of 'em) to see to it that
there's no genuine left wing in the United States. So that, if
the United States was an airplane, it'd be the only airplane of
its kind in the world, that flies with only one wing! -- and it
ain't 'left.'"
That used to help the students try to understand that.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
But my idea for, say, some readers of... that maybe think that
this, "The New World Order" is kind of a crazy thing: you know,
one way of looking at it is (this is from something that Noam
Chomsky wrote in a small booklet called *The Prosperous Few and
the Restless Many* {2} ):
Throughout history, the structures of government have tended
to coalesce around other forms of power -- in modern times,
primarily around economic power. So, when you have national
economies, you get national states. We now have an
international economy and we're moving towards an
international state. {3}
Okay? And that's right from Noam Chomsky!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, but let me say something.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I know that you're skeptical about Noam Chomsky.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well... Here's the problem. There's various commentators, some of
'em right-wing, some of 'em mainstream, who talk that "Big
Brother" is "leftist". And they even say that Ted Kennedy, the
Senator from Massachusetts, is "liberal" and "leftist", and that
"Big Brother" is... the right wing likes to call it "socialist".
What's wrong with it is, none of 'em ever bothered to check the
definition. Socialism means the working people, the common
people, the common folks, owning the instruments of production
and communication. And it has nothing to do with these other
interpretations that these right-wing radio announcers put on it,
and so on.
I mean, one of the things that's little-known is, early in his
career, J. Edgar Hoover, as the head of the FBI, saw to it that
no "lefties" were allowed to own a radio broadcast license.
So when these other right-wingers and such that say that the news
media is "left wing" and "liberal" -- I really don't know what
they're talking about. If labor activists, trade union activists
-- true "lefties" -- are, historically have not been allowed to
own and operate radio and TV broadcast licenses in the United
States, then what is this idea that the media, you know,
headquartered in New York, is "left wing", "Big Brother",
"socialist" agenda?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! I agree with you. I think there's a real confusion in
terms, as far as -- you know, they're calling people "from the
left" like, as you say, East Coast liberal, ivy-league types.
These are the same people that, they've never really *worked*. I
mean, I've had *tons* of professors that, I've talked with them,
and they've said that, basically, they just went to college and
became professors. And they've got *no* *connection* with the
average, working-class person.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. And the media and others often describe "what the working
people are all about," what... They use the word out of Orwell:
"Big Brother". And basically, George Orwell (that's another thing
that they don't go into) -- Orwell, in writing his book, *1984*,
with all these names that he created -- "Big Brother" and all
that -- he basically was trying to put down the left wing. And so
right-wingers, and narrow-minded types, and rednecks, and all
these other types that don't want to be sophisticated: whenever
there's something that helps ordinary people, they right away
say, "It's 'Big Brother'! We've gotta put an end to it."
It's like now, the current issue of *Time* magazine has got a
hatchet on the cover, and "Cut The Budget". What do they want to
do? I mean, they want to cut food stamps. And yet, they don't
point out that the whole food stamp program wouldn't pay for one
nuclear aircraft carrier.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! That's somethin' else: that, whenever it comes to where
people say, "Let's reduce the size of government," they *always*
go after women with babies, or anybody that's...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Or they talk about "the welfare system" -- where it's mostly
rural whites. They never like to put on the television the rural
whites in the state of Maine that are absolutely *impoverished*.
Or the rural whites in southern Illinois. But they point to the
black population in the major cities as if all of *them* are on
welfare!
And the other thing: you know, I like to, I like to get into
these things. Because I'll tell ya why: the blacks are some of
the hardest-working people in the world. And I live in an all-
black neighborhood, myself. (And, you know, I'm livin' here,
since the *neighborhood* is here and I didn't move away. Some of
my other neighbors and such, they moved away to the prosperous
northwest suburbs.) But the point is, 5 o'clock in the morning,
all the lights go on; everybody is gettin' up, to go to work.
This idea that blacks are all on welfare and are lazy and are not
working is a terrible, terrible, *erroneous* stereotype. They do
among the hardest work in the post office, and in the back
departments of the hotels, together with the Hispanics. I like to
tell this joke that, if they don't stop beating blacks on the
head, their *mail* isn't gonna arrive! You know what I'm saying?
And who punches out most of the checks, the percentage of blacks
that are working in the Social Security Administration. I mean,
they're operatin' the machinery, they're doin' the hard work. I
don't understand these people, that want to beat *these* people
on the head!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Well, you know what it is: it's because they're the least
powerful.
[...to be continued...]
---------------------------<< Notes >>---------------------------
{1} Recorded commentaries from the Citizens Committee to Clean-up
the Courts, Sherman H. Skolnick, chairman, can be heard by
dialing (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.
{2} *The Prosperous Few and the Restless Many* by Noam Chomsky.
Berkeley: Odonian Press, 1993. ISBN 1-878825-03-8
{3} Ibid., page 7, my copy.
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MAY 17, 1995
On May 17, 1995, I interviewed, by telephone, Mr. Sherman
Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts
[CCCC]. The following is my summary of that interview. (Note that
in the following, I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of Mr. Skolnick's statements.)
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[...continued...]
CONSPIRACY NATION [continues]:
A lot of people from the "left", they hear this thing about "The
New World Order" and it sounds really weird to them.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well it's not "new", it's... President Franklin D. Roosevelt put
the Latin terms for "The New World Order"...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah: "Novus ordo seclorum".
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...on the back of the dollar bill.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
*He* put that on there, huh?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh, apparently that started with the, about 1933, when they
changed the money. I could be wrong, but that's what some
scholars, who claim they know about it, said.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
"Novus ordo seclorum". "New World Order" *is* a translation. I
would translate it, literally, as "New Order of the Ages".
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, what's wrong with it is, it's really not "The *New* World
Order". The very wealthy, the ultra rich, what they do is, they
put up retainers... What it is is, "Change -- That There Be *No*
Change At All". They don't want the *status quo* to be changed,
so they give the impression that there *is* change. It's really
"The Old World Order". It's not "The New World Order" at all.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Well, all right. But see, my perspective... This is what
convinced me that there *is*, indeed, a plan for a "New World
Order", is based on -- whether or not you agree with Chomsky;
sometimes I agree with him, and I agree with him that, when he
says that governments tend to coalesce around the economic power.
And then you've got the economic power, that's going *global*.
What's gonna follow from *that* is a globalization of the
government.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, if that's what they had in mind when they started
Internet... But once they let the genie out of the bottle, they
found out that there's some clever people out there are gonna use
this to get *around* the mainstream liars.
Because people like Ben Bagdikian, an expert on media monopoly,
in his books and so on {4}, says that by the middle of the last
decade of the 20th century there will be only *six* multinational
companies that will own the entire communications establishment:
the radio, the TV, the print media, the books, communications --
all of it. On that basis, it gets to be a monopoly.
So part of the globalization was to set up Internet, figuring
that that same thing is gonna help! But *instead* of that, a lot
of clever people are getting a lot of truth, that's been bottled
up by the three TV networks and the rest of 'em, on Internet, to
the point where Clinton and others feel threatened by it. And
they'd like to shut down Internet, if they could find one wire,
with a big snippers to snip that one wire. That's assuming that
it's a wire! It might be wireless! [laughs]
In other words, the genie has gotten out of the bottle, and they
would like to restore their monopoly to the situation.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay.
But anyway, see, a lot of my readers are coming from the "right",
so-called. But there's others that are coming from the "left".
And a lot of 'em hear about this idea of "The New World Order"
and, you know, it sounds just too nuts to them.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well I'm against putting labels on people. Because, in other
words, if they say you're "left", they says, "Oh! I can't talk to
you." And then "left wing" says, "Oh! You're a 'right-wing'. I
can't talk to you."
The ones that encourage that are the mainstream, monopoly-minded
types, that want to control everything. And it's a mistake to put
labels on people. It's a very great mistake.
And the best thing for people is to look at their idea. And look
at their, the way they analyze the facts and history of the
world, and go on that basis -- instead of putting a label.
They like to call me a "conspiracy theorist" and I grievously
hate that. Because... Well, I explain it this way: I says, "First
of all, the way things are: so nuts that, if you're not nuts, if
you're not paranoid, you're crazy." That's number one. And number
two is, you've gotta understand what's going on in the world
and... and the ultra rich are running everything. So, I mean,
they're only one percent of the people -- we outnumber them --
why are we so *worried* about them? In any case, we outnumber
them.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, the general distinction of so-called "left" versus so-
called "right" was pointed to by an article by Chip Berlet, where
he warned of "Right Woos Left". He was all over, "sounding the
alarm"...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well *Z Magazine*, his enterprise there, I have reason to believe
is just another CIA front.
You see, that's another thing that's wrong in the country:
there's too many foundations that control the "left" press. The
right-wing press is financed by right-wing books and such. The
left-wing press -- *The Nation*, *In These Times* (headquartered
in Chicago) -- are all tied in with foundations -- alleged
liberal foundations -- fronting for the CIA! And when you're on
that kind of a ball and chain with the espionage people, how the
hell can you tell the truth!?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. But going back to Berlet, I don't know how to put this: I
don't *know* that he's somebody that's disinformation, or working
for the establishment or whatever...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well he put out a story, all over, that I'm one of the leading
Nazis in the United States. And it is a *plain* *lie*! And it's a
lie that bothers me no end, because *I* started the campaign to
expose the Nazi war criminals in the United States. My friends
hired a big ballroom of one of the older hotels in 1976. And I
conducted the first major seminar in the United States
identifying the Nazi war criminals that live amongst us. And a
lot of 'em were still alive in 1976. *Now*, by 1995, some have
died off and so on. But in 1976, former gestapo types and so on
were all over the place in the United States.
So for Chip Berlet to say that Sherman Skolnick is a leading
*Nazi*, is *far* from the truth! Directly *opposite* to the
truth.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, he has really been spreading things that I -- I don't know
how to put it -- that disgust me.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, he claims that Oswald did it alone [laughs]. Okay.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, but where he's saying in this essay of his, where he's
*warning* people of, you know, the thing was "Right Woos Left",
that the "right" is trying to form a coalition, in other words.
To *me*, we're used to saying this thing about the "left" versus
the "right". I think that's how they prevent a coalition from
being formed.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. In other words, what he's trying to do is prevent people
from coming together over common issues.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! "Divide and conquer."
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Look. The rest of us, that are not the ultra rich (that's only
one percent of the people), uh... we have a lot of things in
common with the rest of the bulk of the people. And what's the
point of putting labels on 'em?
The major issue, which we ask every candidate during the election
period that comes on our cable TV show -- what is the one
question we ask 'em? (And none of the candidates, for Governor or
whatever other, ever answer.) And that is, I make the statement:
"The ultra rich, generally, pay no taxes (through corruption and
other means). *And*, that is the major problem in America. What
are *you* gonna do, 'candidate' (whether a man or a woman), what
are you gonna do to tax the ultra rich?"
And this one question ties them in such a knot. Because the basic
question in the United States, generally is not dealt with --
certainly not by the magazines and the radio talk shows -- and
that is, the *absolute* *failure* to tax the ultra rich. They're
like kings and queens, or sacred cows. They are not taxed. And
that has been true since the federal income tax was put in.
And so, when they point to "The country's going bankrupt," "We've
got no money for fixing railroads, the roads, street signs,
street lights, running hospitals, libraries, schools" -- there is
really only *one* answer. And that is, the failure to tax the
ultra rich. If that one percent of the people, that owns and
operates most of America, paid a proper percentage on their
assets and wealth, there wouldn't *be* any problem in America.
I mean, the Rockefellers, the Mellons, and the Morgans and the
others, generally pay no tax at all. And this came out when
Nelson Rockefeller was put up as Vice-President under the 25th
amendment in 1975. (Not by election but by appointment.) And he
testified that he and his family had not paid, the Rockefeller
family, had not paid *any* *taxes*. The richest man in America
had not paid any taxes in the previous eleven years.
[...to be continued...]
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{4} *The Media Monopoly* by Ben Bagdikian. Boston: Beacon Press,
1990. ISBN 0-8070-6159-X
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MAY 17, 1995
On May 17, 1995, I interviewed, by telephone, Mr. Sherman
Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts
[CCCC]. The following is my summary of that interview. (Note that
in the following, I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of Mr. Skolnick's statements.)
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CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, that's like Leona Helmsley, where she said this thing,
"Only the little people pay taxes."
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well... She's not that very wealthy. I'm talkin' about the
*ultra* rich. Not millionaires but *ultra* rich: the billionaire
billionaires.
And here's Nelson Rockefeller, testifying that he and his family
did not pay anything for the previous 11 years! Hey. If the guys
that have the most don't pay anything, is it any wonder that
we've got 100-year-old bridges that collapse, railroad tracks
that are in bad shape, hospitals that are bankrupt {5}, libraries
and schools, school districts, that are bankrupt? The guys with
the real money are not paying anything! *And*, since they own the
instruments of communication, *their* puppets are not gonna ask
some candidate, "Uh, what are you gonna do, Mr. or Madam
Candidate, about the failure to tax the ultra rich?" Nobody asks
the question! I'm one of the few that asks the question. And
that's because we do a free TV show, where nobody taps us on the
shoulder and says, "Hey! Skolnick: *shut* *up*!"
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. But I kind of wanted to cover one more thing on this thing
about *why* we should fear, or be concerned, about "The New World
Order", is that, if a global government coalesces around the
global economic power, then that is gonna supersede the Bill of
Rights in this country.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well they're doin' that now. Because the Bill of Rights is in
"suspension mode". Newsletter writers and others are getting
knocks on the door by the FBI: "I saw in your newsletter there
that you mentioned the militia. What about it?"; "I saw in your
commentary... What about it?"
And so those that refuse to talk to the FBI, they show you, right
at your door, a big stack of all the information they compiled on
you: your bank loan, your car, your this, your telephone -- they
got all your telephone records.
See, there's a national security directive in effect right now,
as a result of the bombing in Oklahoma. And, in other words, the
FBI doesn't need any further powers, because the President
himself claims there's a *plot* to overthrow the government, it's
a national security matter. And they're goin' around, and they're
tryin' to stifle the few independent voices of communication that
we have left in the country: newsletter writers, commentators,
smaller radio station moderators -- they're all gettin' a knock
on the door! And not every one of 'em is sayin', "Hey, FBI: you
don't have an arrest warrant or search warrant for this address.
So go away!" Some of 'em are becoming frightened. Why? They have
children; they're worried about their mortgage. The FBI informs
them that they've already been to the mortgage company; they're
talkin' to all their neighbors. In other words, they're puttin'
on the general, there's a general "wave of terror" against the
few independent voices in the country.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, and that's been prompted by this thing with the Oklahoma
bombing where...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah well that's a good reason to suspect that the government did
it, for the purpose of suspending the Bill of Rights. Whatever
you think about the militias, whether you're for or against their
position, they seem to have the facts right: there's an effort
underway to suspend the Bill of Rights for this "New World Order"
business.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. And that would bring me back to this thing of, approaching
this thing from the "left" via Chomsky's idea of governments
coalescing around the economic power, and the global government
superseding the Bill of Rights, so that it *is* something to be
feared; that this is not some thing where people on the "left"
can say, "Oh well, these 'right wing' people."
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
There are two questions that *Time* magazine and the other
blowhard pundits have *not* dealt with is, they have not
adequately explained: What are the large numbers of foreign
troops doing on our soil? Are we facing a big problem, like Spain
in 1933, where they brought Italy and Germany's armies onto
Spanish soil to deal with a civil war?
And the other thing is, *Time* magazine, discussing what the
militias are complaining about, would have you believe that all
these secret societies (like the Bilderbergs and so on), which
the top publication pundits go to, and then never tell us
anything -- what happened there -- that they're just little
"luncheon groups" that are of no consequence.
I mean, the major makers and shakers of the world go to these
secret conferences -- the Trilateral Commission, the Council on
Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group. No report comes back.
Only a few, right-wing journals talk about it. And then *Time*
magazine, because the militias are making an issue of it, is
pooh-poohing it and says, "No, no... It's just a luncheon group."
When you see a list of the Bilderberg Group, it's... the
publisher of *Time* magazine, the editor-in-chief that's there.
How come their magazine doesn't tell us what happened at the
secret conference, where *they* *themselves* are part of it!?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Do you know of any good books on the Bilderbergers?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh, the only ones that publish it are the ultra-right wing!
[laughs] So-called "ultra-right wing". The left wing, that gets a
lot of CIA foundation money (like *The Nation*, and *In These
Times*, and so on), they're not gonna go into it at all. So, I
mean in a way it's a mistake to call 'em a "left wing".
They're... I'm not sure what part of the airplane they are,
whether they're the tail or the jet. [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I know what you mean! Because, it's almost like the left
has pretty much disappeared. I mean, the *real* left. 'Cuz I
remember that, say, in the '60s, that...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well if you looked at my files, what would you find? Communist
Party USA, clippings on them is in a right-wing file! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
You'd have to understand the logic we apply, because *they* were
a spokesman for the Moscow government. And so, *what* genuine
left wing is there, in this country? The labor unions are, many
of 'em are too close to the corporations they're supposed to
unionize. It's a mistake to call that there's a union movement in
the United States. The number of people working, that belong to
unions, has fallen below 16 percent. So the bulk of the United
States is working now without union contracts, without union
benefits. Which means, instead of getting $15 an hour, you'd be
lucky if you get $5 an hour. And with that, you have the
contradiction that, you're making $5 an hour, and they want to
sell you a $12,000 car! I mean, there's a contradiction.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And the thing is, a lot of these so-called, say, call 'em
"establishment leftists"... I don't see that the "left" has
really got a connection to the working class. There's exceptions.
Like there's a group in Detroit that was puttin' out a weekly
newspaper called "The International Workers Bulletin", where they
were *involved* in their community, okay?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. Those are genuine people.
The point is, *what* "left wing" are they talkin' about? *In
These Times* reportedly gets their money through a so-called
"liberal foundation": The Institute for Policy Studies [IPS],
which made them make a U-turn on the October Surprise story by
threatening to cut their money off. And we, from what we know
about the IPS, believe they're connected with the CIA! So I mean,
*what* independent, left-wing publication...
All of the "left-wing" publications, put together, if you added
them all up from their circulation statements that they're
obliged to file every fall under the postal regulations -- all of
'em, put together, do not amount to 150,000 circulation. The
average of these small publications is about 5,000. So *one*
*Chicago Tribune* or one *New York Times* *drowns* *them* *out*!
In fact, Ferdinand Lundberg(sp?), in his book, *The Rich and the
Super Rich*, sort of laughed a little bit. He says, "These guys,
with their mimeograph machines," (that was the thing when *that*
book came out), "they are like throwing spitballs at the
Rockefeller battleship."
CONSPIRACY NATION:
On the other hand, I wouldn't -- if they're *truly* an
independent press -- I wouldn't totally denigrate 'em, because my
feeling is it's better to try and do *something*.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, it's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness.
[...to be continued...]
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{5} "...hospitals that are bankrupt..." As noted, I don't
necessarily agree with everything Mr. Skolnick says. Nowadays,
many hospitals are for-profit entities, generating cash for
investors. Add to that the fact that hospitals and doctors
routinely pad their bills, pass these charges along to medicare,
and then medicare passes these charges along to the taxpayers.
So, my question would be (which I may remember to ask Mr.
Skolnick) -- if the money is getting stolen and wasted, what good
will increased taxes from *any* source be, whether "ultra rich"
or otherwise?
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MAY 17, 1995
On May 17, 1995, I interviewed, by telephone, Mr. Sherman
Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts
[CCCC]. The following is my summary of that interview.
I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with either all or
portions of the following. I invite any persons directly involved
to send any rebuttals to bigxc@prairienet.org -- I am willing to
distribute said rebuttals, provided they are of reasonable
length.
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK [continues]:
But the point is, as I said earlier, the thing that is bothering
the Establishment, the ultra rich, the most is this monster that
they let out of the bottle: Internet. Their idea was to globalize
communications with Internet. But this genie, this monster, is
out of the bottle -- and *now* they don't know how to put it
back! [laughs]
Because there are some clever people out there says, "Hey! Forget
about the news fakers in New York. Notice what this one says, and
notice what that one says." I mean like, in my position: until
the last 5 years, when they saw me on television, people would
run into me downtown and says, "Skolnick, I thought you were
either dead or retired. I haven't seen you."
With many of those people downtown, you're in a 17th century
technology. If they don't see you once in a while, in the
evening, on the television, you're dead or retired or have fled
the country. And that's where cable access comes in; that's where
Internet comes in: they gotta see your name. And another thing:
they gotta see you on the computer screen. If they can't press up
nothin' on that machine and make *your* story come up on the
computer screen -- you're dead, you're retired, you left the
country. [laughs] They've gotta *see* you there! That's the
latest technology.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
One other thing: you mentioned... Okay, you live at 9800 S.
Oglesby. And from what you say, that's a black neighborhood now.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I'm not saying that from a negative standpoint. I'm here since
the neighborhood was here. The neighborhood got started in 1948
and '50, and my folks bought the house and here I am! I don't
wish to run to the lily-white suburbs: number one, I don't have
the money, and number two, it's too far from the center of
downtown and the cultural center. The cultural center in Chicago
is not in the northwest suburbs -- that's a desert. The cultural
center is the University of Chicago, which is only a few minutes
from me. And so, if there's something important at the U of C,
and I tell somebody that lives in Mount Prospect [i.e., a
northwest suburb] -- My God! I mean, they gotta travel
considerable time and distance to get to it. Whereas by me, it's
only a few minutes away!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. See, my mom grew up on the south side of Chicago, around
79th and Throop st., by St. Sabina's parish down there...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
...and I know, somewhat, of the way things usually go: is that,
there would be, the blacks would move into the neighborhood,
tensions would arise, and the whites would leave. And it's just
unusual for somebody to just stay in the neighborhood like that.
What's it like for you? You're probably -- what? -- the only
white guy livin' in the neighborhood?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh, no. There's about two or three others in there. I get along
with everybody! What difference would it make? I mean there's,
some of my own religion would like to take a rope and hang me.
It's...
You know, I point out things that are hard. We're working on a
story that, for 3 years now we can't quite get it together the
way we like it. And that is, that the federal judges, who are
supposed to promote human rights, generally do not allow black
and Hispanic lawyers to make a living in the federal courthouse
in Chicago. So it's the same as putting up a sign in Alabama 50
years ago, that blacks should drink from this other fountain. So
I finally got one black, prominent lawyer to talk to me off-the-
record. And so far, he's agreed to go on our show. And he says,
"Yeah, you're right, Skolnick! These judges over there
discriminate against black lawyers. They... It's as if they put
a sign up and says 'Black lawyers not wanted.'" And you know the
one they *really* don't want are blacks that are not Christians,
that are Muslims. It's like they got a sign up there, but it's an
invisible sign, that's saying "Blacks and Black Muslim lawyers:
Do *not* practice here, because you will not be allowed to make a
living. Go practice in the traffic court and the bus accident
claims in the state court. Don't come into the federal court."
And *I*, I've got at least one prominent, black lawyer who says
he *will* go on our show and *say* that, for all the world to
hear.
And that's, that runs contrary to the accepted wisdom that the
federal court is the great supporter of human rights. Not in
Chicago they're not.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
Did you succeed in getting Debra von Trapp to be on your show at
all?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
She's an interesting character. What has happened as a result of
your serializing the lengthy interview I did with her on tape, is
that all of those that were in with her circle are trying to
either threaten me, or sweet talk me [laughs]. I mean, I don't
know who all these people are that suddenly are calling me up and
they want to talk an hour or two and persuade me that *yes*, the
Clinton White House was spied on, but *no*, they didn't do it, it
was this *other* guy that did it! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I mean, I talked already with Robert Goetzman and some of the
others. *I* had to find him. But some of the others have found
me, and they call me, and they're tryin' to sweet talk me: "Oh
yes, there *was* spying in the District of Columbia. Oh yes. But
I only know about it; *I* didn't go along with it." That's what
they tell me! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I listen. I consider myself a fair-minded journalist.
But the one benefit the Debra von Trapp story has done is to draw
all these strange, "spooky" types out of the woodwork! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I think some of 'em are runnin' after you too, a little bit.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! I... You know, like I say, I got that e-mail from uh, Wes
Thomas I think his name is. And, you know, I always have a
disclaimer that I put in front of my postings, that I neither
necessarily agree nor disagree. You know, I just...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He claims he's not with the CIA, as Debra says. But I tell ya
somethin': there's a *lot* to support the contrary. He's a *top*
*notcher*. He is far too clever. And, in fact, it'd probably be
an insult to say he's with the CIA. I mean, he probably
*supervises* the CIA!
Wes Thomas is awfully clever. But he's *very* personable. He
called me up the other night and spoke to me for an hour like it
was some uncle that I had forgotten about! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He was very friendly, this guy. I mean, where did I run into him?
At a luncheon or something? That he calls me up and he's so sweet
and nice and so on.
He says that Goetzman *did* solicit him to spy on all the foreign
embassies in Washington, but that he didn't go along with it. But
the plan was, according to Wes Thomas, the plan was that Goetzman
was gonna supply used computers, with transponders secretly built
into them, and that Wes Thomas was gonna give these away to all
the foreign embassies. And that way, the team (the secret team)
could then spy on 'em.
But Wes would have me believe that he didn't go along with it.
Well, I don't know. All I know is, your serializing the story on
Internet, the interview of Debra, has brought all of these -- I
don't know *what* to call 'em! -- secret team *disclaiming*
they're a secret team -- has brought 'em all out into the open,
to call and sweet talk me. And a few, of course, have also
*threatened* me! [laughs] I mean, you know...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
How did they threaten you?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well Goetzman says he's gonna get me by, by sending a subpoena
after me! [laughs] You know...
[...to be continued...]
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[First, from an interview, March 6, 1995, with Sherman Skolnick]:
[...]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
*Now*, the Europeans *apparently* have... Well it was European
journalists, together with some retired CIA people, that
uncovered Clinton's secret Swiss accounts, by way of the Fuji
Bank and the Grand Caymans -- that $50 million that we described
went to Little Rock, to the Caymans, to Switzerland, and is there
in the name of Chelsea Jefferson.
[...]
And, and, and the thing is, one of Kenneth Starr's people told me
-- not to flatter me! -- that the thing that we have been working
on -- about the 50 million?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
-- is one of the most crucial points. They've already got the
date. They know the money arrived in Little Rock and went by way
of Fuji Bank, to the Caymans and off to Switzerland. And it got
mixed in with the Mena cocaine money, O.K.? Clinton's "cut" for
the deal. All right?
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*THE SUNDAY TELEGRAPH*, 21.5.95
SECRET SWISS LINK TO WHITE HOUSE DEATH
Revealed: Clinton aide made mystery trips
to Geneva
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Washington
THE mystery over the death of the White House aide Vincent Foster is
getting deeper. Records shown to the *Sunday Telegraph* reveal that he
had clandestine dealings in Switzerland, and even purchased an airline
ticket to Geneva just three weeks before his death.
Foster's travels have never come under scrutiny before. Two
investigations have concluded that he shot himself on July 20, 1993,
because he was upset over harsh editorials in the *Wall Street Journal*
and other mundane matters. But his trips abroad have come as a total
surprise to his family.
They could prove to be of great importance. Foster was an intimate
friend of both Bill and Hillary Clinton and was responsible for handling
their private financial affairs at the White House.
The revelations of Foster's covert forays to Switzerland come after a
week in which the Senate announced details of new televised hearings on
the Whitewater scandal, due to begin later in the summer.
But it remains far from certain whether the Republicans in Congress are
prepared to reopen the file on the Deputy White House counsel's death.
The records show that Foster bought a ticket to Switzerland on November
1, 1991 - during the early phase of the Clinton presidential bid -
travelling on American Airlines from Little Rock to Paris with a
connection to Geneva on Swiss Air. The return flight was booked for
November 3, giving him less than one full day on the ground in
Switzerland. The cost was $1,490.
A year later he did exactly the same thing, darting in and out of the
country. On December 7, 1992 - during the presidential transition period
- he bought a ticket from Little Rock to Geneva, via Paris, returning
on November 9.
Finally, on July 1, 1993, he purchased a ticket through the White House
Travel Office from Washington to Geneva on TWA and Swiss Air,
reimbursing the White House from his personal American Express Card. But
he never made the trip and was refunded by Swiss Air on July 8.
Twelve days later he was found dead in a Virginia park next to the
residence of the Saudi ambassador. A Colt .38 revolver of Edwardian
vintage was found jammed in his hand. Independent experts have described
the crime scene as a textbook case of a murder made to look like a
suicide.
These are only a sample of his flights, not the full picture. On
December 20, 1988, for example, he flew to Batman in remote Turkish
Kurdistan. At his death he had built up more than 500,000 `airmiles' on
the frequent flier programmes of major US airlines.
On Delta he apparently had 197,853 miles. Much of it came from flying
overseas. His foreign trips on Delta during the later 1980s and early
1990s were often purchased at `executive fares', a category of discount
that is only available to senior government officials - or contract
operatives doing work for the federal government. That raises the
question: was Foster a US agent at a time when he was ostensibly in
private practice as a Little Rock lawyer?
Sources close to the Foster family say that his widow, Lisa, was not
aware of any trips he made to Switzerland, which suggests that he was
not engaged in routine work for the Rose Law Firm. Apparently there are
no Swiss stamps in his passport, but this would not necessarily be
unusual.
Mrs Foster has accepted the official verdict that her husband committed
suicide. In her statement to the FBI she said that he had been depressed
and had "no sense of joy and elation at work". She believed that this
may have been related to the Waco disaster.
"Lisa Foster believes that Foster was horrified when the Branch Davidian
complex burned. Foster believed that everything was his fault," wrote
the FBI. (OIC document 000278). But there may have been other concerns
on his mind. A psychiatrist told the FBI that he was contacted on July
16 1993 by Foster's sister, Sheila Anthony, a top official at the
Justice Department. She told him that Foster was working on "top secret"
issues at the White House and "that his depression was directly related
to highly sensitive and confidential matters".
It remains to be seen whether the investigation of Special Counsel
Kenneth Starr will get to the bottom of the Foster mystery.
Many in Washington now consider that the investigation by Robert Fiske
last year was a charade and a black mark on the American judicial
system. It reached the conclusion that Foster committed suicide *before*
much of the forensic evidence had been analysed by the FBI crime labs,
*before* key witnesses had been interviewed, and *before* the autopsy
review by independent experts. Several of the FBI documents appear to
have been doctored. One official close to the investigation has
described the scale of lying and fabrication by government officials as
staggering.
There are signs that the same thing could be happening again. Very few
witnesses have been called before the Grand Jury. The police have not
even visited the houses within earshot of the spot where Foster was
supposed to have shot himself. Yet a highly placed member of the
investigation has already been leaking stories to journalists saying
that there is nothing to the Foster death, and that there will soon be
a fresh ruling of suicide.
The lead prosecutor handling the death of Foster, Miguel Rodriguez,
resigned in March. Sources say he quit because he felt that certain
members of the Starr team were more interested in covering up
discrepancies than finding out what really happened, and were merely
going through the motions of an investigation. The Starr team counters
that his resignation was largely the result of a character clash.
The *Pittsburgh Tribune-Review* reports that Rodriguez was unable to
call key witnesses before the Grand Jury. The paper said he had also
lost confidence in the FBI, which appeared to be sweeping crucial
evidence under the carpet. For example, the FBI had discarded a set of
crucial crime scene photographs, deeming them unusable. Rodriguez turned
to a private firm, which had no difficulty enhancing the photos.
Rodriguez cannot be dismissed as a Right-wing prosecutor with an axe to
grind. He is a liberal by background and rose to his current position as
Assistant US Attorney in Sacramento after working as a civil rights
lawyer. It is astonishing that the American media has made so little of
his resignation. If a lead prosecutor during the Watergate scandal had
departed in such circumstances it would have been headline news.
What is it about the death of Vince Foster that has caused every
investigation to recoil? First the US Park Police, then the Fiske
investigation, then the Senate Banking Committee and now, perhaps,
Kenneth Starr's team - all have dipped their toe in the water and pulled
it straight back out again. One can only deduce that the temperature
must be very hot indeed.
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MAY 17, 1995
On May 17, 1995, I interviewed, by telephone, Mr. Sherman
Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts
[CCCC]. The following is my summary of that interview.
I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with either all or
portions of the following. I invite any persons directly involved
to send any rebuttals to bigxc@prairienet.org -- I am willing to
distribute said rebuttals, provided they are of reasonable
length.
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[...continued...]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
So how could he send a subpoena after you? All you did was
interview somebody.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He hung up before I could ask that! Subpoena me for *what*!? You
know what I mean? [laughs]
I asked him straight out: Do you know anything about the spying
in the White House?
And he kept asking me my phone number. And he went around and
around and around with that. And although I told him my name,
several times, he pretended (he's pretty clever) like he couldn't
get my name! [laughs] I mean, ya know what I mean? [laughs]
Then he says he really wants his lawyer. I says, "No, I just want
to know: What do you have to say in response to Debra von Trapp's
statement?"
And by the way, a 16-year-old computer hacker is the one that
fished out Goetzman's unlisted number for me! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Well this person, his name, it wouldn't have been "Xxxxxxx"? Naw,
I guess...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, yeah! That's him!
He's called me about 10 times. He's a nice fellow.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
This stuff that you've been sayin' about Wes Thomas and
Goetzman...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I've been talking to these people, and I -- despite *all* the
things that have happened -- I think that Debra von Trapp's story
is substantially correct.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I think so too. I can't really prove it, but just my sense
is that it...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The *Chicago Tribune*, in a recent Sunday edition, printed a
denial of the Japanese bombing.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, my dad cut that out. It was, like, on the front page.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
When the *Tribune* is forced, without investigating it, to make a
blanket denial on the front page, you know that there's somethin'
there.
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[CN Editor -- I cannot vouch for the accuracy of *all* of the
following. It may or may not be true, I just don't know.]
[The following is a transcript of a recorded phone message put
out by a group in Chicago called "Citizens' Committee to Clean Up
the Courts [CCCC]." (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.]
Hi! Sherman Skolnick, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts,
9800 South Oglesby.
He knows a lot about U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, who used
to be a state prosecutor in southern Florida. He is attorney Jack
Thompson of the Miami area.
JACK THOMPSON:
...But the fact is that Janet Reno is being blackmailed by
people within the administration and by organized crime
interests who are involved in money laundering -- that from
Michael Morrison, editor of the *Wall Street Journal*.
And Ross Perot, for example, is surveilling her apartment in
Washington, gathering information on her personal life...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
For what purpose, do you suppose?
JACK THOMPSON:
I believe, to blow the Clinton administration out of the water.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
You think the *Wall Street Journal* knows about this, but
hasn't published much, huh?
JACK THOMPSON:
That's correct. Their editor told me that.
I think the sitting on the information that's known by people
in the news media about Janet Reno is despicable.
I was Reno's opponent, Republican opponent, in the general
election in 1988 for the office of Dade County state attorney.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So you know a little bit about her! [laughs]
JACK THOMPSON:
I know more about her than the editors of the *Miami Herald*
know about her. And indeed, I wanted to testify, as did Miami
police chief Ken Hars(?). Of all the people that should have
been allowed to testify at her confirmation hearings, *he*
should have, and *I* should have. Because what we know about
her alcoholism, her use of call girls for sex...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
What, she's a lesbian you mean?
JACK THOMPSON:
Yes. I would sign an affidavit as to what -- and *have* -- as
to what I know. And indeed, [I] wanted to, under oath, give the
names of call girls and other women with whom she's had sex!
Here in Dade County, and around the country!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
She was very weak on drug cases for the 15 years that she was a
state prosecutor down there.
JACK THOMPSON:
She was weak on *every* case, except when it came to bringing
charges against police officers for purported abuses of their
power.
But clearly, when you have an editor of the *Wall Street
Journal* tell you -- that is, *me* -- that they know that
Janet Reno is being blackmailed by certain individuals within
the Clinton administration and by organized crime, that's a
rather heady charge! And they have information that they feel
can prove that -- and as do certain Members of Congress.
She's a lesbian who wants to remain "in the closet", she's a
lesbian who criminally uses call girls to satisfy her desires,
and she's a person who has a *severe* alcohol abuse problem --
even so severe that people within her office stated (when she
was working here as state attorney in Dade County) that she
would attempt to discharge her duties during daylight hours
while drunk in the office.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
They make a blackmail issue out of her drunkeness and her
sexuality, in other words?
JACK THOMPSON:
They have videotapes of her, engaged in sex acts with call
girls.
She's had numerous DUI [Driving Under the Influence (of
alcohol, presumably)] incidents that she has used her position
here in south Florida to cover up by pulling rank on police
officers and police departments to cover up those incidents --
*that* was squashed by both Republicans *and* Democrats during
the confirmation process.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
(We're talking with Jack Thompson, an attorney in the Miami area,
regarding U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno.)
Do you think that those that are in the dope trade and
organized crime know this and are using it even now against
her?
JACK THOMPSON:
Oh there's no question. Because it would, of course, end her
tenure as Attorney General were this to be known: that she's a
drunk and a prostitute-using lesbian. I think the Clintons
wanted a dirty cop on the beat whose chain they could yank in
order to keep her in line on Whitewater or any other matter
that might come down the pike!
Well the House, according to Speaker Gingrich, is going to have
full-blown, far-ranging hearings on Waco. That's a fair
opportunity for me and others to point out, for example, that
Janet Reno was probably drunk when she made the decision to
make the incursion into the Mount Carmel compound.
I called a press conference to announce the information,
including sources independent of me that could corroborate her
lesbianism, her use of call girls, and her alcoholism.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And what happened?
JACK THOMPSON:
The press conference was attended by every media entity in
south Florida -- seventeen-, eighteen-some entities. Guess
what? The story was *completely* *spiked*.
In Chicago, see us on cable tv, channel 21, 9 pm [cst] most
Monday evenings.
Play it again: "The Japanese and the Chicago Markets". (312) 731-
1505.
New message Friday; we change it several times a week.
Donations appreciated. Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the
Courts, 9800 South Oglesby, Chicago, [Illinois] 60617. For the
latest on courts, banks, espionage agencies, political
assassinations, and the news media. On 24 hours a day.
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WHO IS SHERMAN SKOLNICK?
(And just what makes him so great anyway?)
I know I have been concentrating on material from Sherman
Skolnick and the Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts
(CCCC) of late. Some are glad of this. Others write and complain
"Enough! Enough of Skolnick, already!" One wrote, during the
post-Oklahoma bomb, Klinton crack-down on free speech, "Who the
fu** is Larry Lotnick!!?"
Personally, I think Mr. Skolnick is an excellent clearinghouse
for various sources of information. Going to Mr. Skolnick saves
me the trouble of digging on my own. He also has access to many
confidential sources which, except for his talents, might never
see the light of day. He also is a much more experienced
investigator than yours truly. I am of the opinion that Skolnick
is hitting closer to the truth than many "big shots" such as
Lyndon LaRouche and Noam Chomsky. Sherman Skolnick is not
infallible, but he most definitely should be heard, especially in
these troubled times.
Not to say I am moving toward a Skolnick-only format; if that
were the case, I would change the name to "Skolnick Nation". It's
just that, for the moment, Skolnick and his group have got some
of the best information.
So who is Sherman Skolnick?
I cannot vouch for all of the following, simply because I have no
direct knowledge as to many of these matters. But here is how Mr.
Skolnick himself answers the question:
Sherman Skolnick is the founder and chairman of the Citizens'
Committee to Clean-up the Courts, a group dedicated to
researching and investigating, in the public interest, certain
instances of judicial and other corruption, and political
murders. Mr. Skolnick has been chairman/founder since 1963. A
summary of a few key events:
1. Mr. Skolnick, self-educated in law, led the campaign to re-
apportion election districts in Illinois, on the "one man, one
vote" idea. He brought and won in the federal courts a series of
class actions -- 1967 to 1972, that accomplished this.
2. In 1969, his disclosures in a special court petition on behalf
of his group caused the largest judicial bribery scandal in U.S.
history, causing the collapse of the Illinois Supreme Court. The
accused high court justices desperately used the last of their
judicial power to jail Skolnick falsely for contempt -- he
refused to inform them how his group investigated the matter. The
Chief Justice resigned as well as an associate Justice. A third
high court justice died under fire. Skolnick was vindicated and
released from prison. The state high court was in effect for a
period of time put out of business. Appeal lawyers condemned him
for interfering with their business -- they had gotten used to
the corrupt ways of the high court.
3. In another special court petition Skolnick accused 7th Circuit
federal appeals judge, Otto Kerner, Jr., former Illinois
Governor, of bribery. Kerner held a press conference, calling
Skolnick, "a liar". A fellow judge tried to harass Skolnick with
false contempt charges. Kerner died an ex-convict, convicted as
Skolnick charged. The highest level federal appeals judge to go
to prison for bribery, while still a sitting judge, in U.S.
history.
4. In 1977, the chief judge of Chicago's Traffic Court allowed
Skolnick to interview him on tape in his office. Skolnick had 28
witnesses, waiting in the hall, prepared to charge the judge with
corruption. The Chief Judge called Skolnick's charges, "Just part
of your imagination, Mr. Skolnick. There is no corruption here."
Skolnick's accusations led to the Justice Department's "Operation
Greylord", in which the same chief judge and some twenty other
state judges and about 40 lawyers all went to prison for bribery.
5. Of course, none of the state and federal judges, accused by
Skolnick, and later ended up convicted of bribery, ever
apologized to Skolnick for calling Skolnick a liar in the press.
6. In 1969-70, the chief deputy clerk of Chicago's federal
district court, formerly of the Bankruptcy Court, Robert P.
Steine, was sent to prison for using his office to shake down
insurance companies who were also litigants in the court system.
The matter had been heavily documented by the U.S. District
Attorney and the Chief Postal Inspector, who stonewalled. The
matter was broken open when their records somehow fell into
Skolnick's hands and he showed them at a press conference. The
Chief District Judge had called Skolnick a liar, saying Skolnick
conveyed "diatribes" against innocent public officials. That
Chief Judge narrowly avoided prison himself in a multi-million
dollar real-estate swindle.
7. Skolnick is a regular panel member on a hugely popular Cable
TV public access program since 1991. They obtained the secret
files of one of Hillary Rodham Clinton's cronies, Diane Lewis, a
worldwide arms smuggler. Ms. Lewis was using signs and signals
for up-coming deals through a religious TV station in Chicago,
where she was close to the station boss. Ten days after her
records were demonstrated on Skolnick's one-hour TV show, Ms.
Lewis and 14 others were arrested. She was released on a plea she
is with CIA.
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The Pretty Prospect for November 1996
By Wesley Pruden
(From *The Washington Times*, National Weekly Edition, 5/22-28/95)
The president should try to look at the positive side of this:
He's got enough people two steps ahead of the special prosecutor
to start a support group within the Cabinet.
Whitewater's back, with a vengeance, arriving on a day the
Republicans, gathering speed on the Hill, pushed the first
balanced budget in years through the House of Representatives. At
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue everyone was just trying to find a
lawyer.
Not just Whitewater, but Browngate, Chicken water, and Girlgate.
(There's a Republican version of Girlgate in the Senate, but that
doesn't help Mr. Clinton.) The president insists that he won't
ask Ron Brown to resign just because a special prosecutor is on
his case. How could he? There's one on his case too.
Hillary, busy with her wifely project of re-inventing her man in
preparation for '96, new shoelaces, new jogging shorts and all,
is said to be "turning inward" to the roots of her suburban
Illinois liberalism to fashion a winning re-election strategy,
collecting kids to use as props to demonstrate how the president
loves children more than Mother Teresa loves children.
The water continues to rise. Sen. Kit Bond of Missouri, a member
of the Senate banking committee, echoes what a lot of
knowledgeable Arkansas people, humiliated and angry, have been
saying for months: "The deeper we look, the worse it gets."
The Democrats in the Senate, who had no appetite for a genuine
inquiry a year ago, voted almost unanimously with the Republicans
this time because they, too, understand exactly what Sen. Bond is
talking about, and are terrified of getting caught defending the
indefensible.
Wombats, wampus cats and geezilbillies of all kinds, each uglier
than the others, will be crawling over hill and hollow and out of
the swamps and bayous over the months leading up to the '96
elections, as the Whitewater panel counts the ways the officers
and gentlemen (and some of the ladies) at the White House and in
the Treasury department assisted, expedited, facilitated,
attended, sustained and otherwise folded, spindled and mutilated
the efforts of the regulators trying to investigate the failure
of the most accomodating savings and loan between Memphis and
Texarkana.
And not just the money. The Senate panel will try to learn how
Vincent Foster could blow off the top of his head and then lay
himself out neatly, with a minimum of disruption of either
himself or the pastoral tranquility of Fort Marcy Park, as if
trying to save the undertaker the trouble.
Arkansas boys are taught to mind their manners and to be
considerate of others at all times, but this was, even by the
standards of the Clinton White House, excessive.
"Whitewater is a very serious matter," says Sen. Alfonse D'Amato
of New York, who is chairman of the committee. "Some questions
raised by Whitewater go to the very heart of our democratic
system of government. We must ascertain whether purely private
interests have been placed above the public trust... The American
people have a right and a need to know the answers to these
questions."
Senate hearings on the order of the Watergate example are just
what the Clintons hoped against reasonable hope to avoid. These
are hearings that became inevitable with the final returns of the
congressional elections of November '94, and the pressure on the
dynamic duo to consider new lines of employment will become
considerable as the consequence of running on a ticket with the
Clintons sinks in on hundreds of Democratic congressmen,
governors, land commissioners, sheriffs, county assessors,
auditors and even collectors of deeds, from sea to shining sea.
Not a pretty prospect.
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GEORGE BUSH, BILL CLINTON, KENNETH STARR and THE BLACKMAIL CARDS
By Sherman H. Skolnick
There is blackmail occurring these days, some of the worst in the
history of this nation. Kenneth Starr, the appointed Independent
Counsel, was installed, according to some, as an anti-Clinton
administration hatchet-wielder. Others say, despite that, Bill
and Hillary are a power-hungry CIA couple, subject to being
terminated by corruption and espionage scandals. Others contend
George Bush was a CIA heavy hitter, going back at least to 1959,
when he formed Zapata Petroleum, with world-wide offices as a
CIA/dope operation, trans-shipping dope from offshore drilling
rigs beyond the 3-mile jurisdictional limit. {1}.
Cynics contend America would have a happy and prosperous future
if these various factions destroyed each other in a great and
violent free-for-all.
Certain private investigators have clients with cases somehow
intersecting matters of interest to Starr. Somehow, witnesses for
the so-called Whitewater probe overlap investigations of non-
Whitewater. Summaries and abstracts of Starr's records somehow
have slipped out of his custody and control and are being used
and analyzed by others. This includes secret Swiss and Italian
bank records, as well as records and details of Hong Kong
branches of various bank and bank accounts.
Those who know about the work of Starr and his associates contend
that Starr wants to limit the federal criminal indictments so
that details *do* *not* *publicly* *surface* implicating the
following, among others:
1. Ollie North and George Bush in their reported roles in the
gun/dope traffic through the notorious Mena airport, Arkansas.
Also, the nearby semi-secret industry of refitting, without FAA
permission, airplanes to be used in the narco-terror trade.
2. Systematics, a private subsidiary of AllTel, in the bank
software service, outfitting banks around the world. Some
contend that Systematics adapted Inslaw's software, PROMIS,
with "trap-door" provisions, to spy on central and other banks
worldwide, using NSA/CIA low-orbit satellites.
3. The reported washing of the narco-terrorist illicit funds
through former Cong. Dan Rostenkowski's relatively small,
closely-held Chicago bank, Garfield Trust and Savings Bank (a
fellow stockholder reportedly is Hugh Rodham, Hillary's
lawyer/brother); and the funneling thereafter of the funds,
washing them through accounts of firms dealing with or acting
as trading firms on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, Chicago
Board Options Exchange, Chicago Stock Exchange, and the Chicago
Board of Trade.
4. Bank of Credit and Commerce International, and their
successor and alter ego, Pinnacle Banc Group, and their role in
covert espionage operations for NSA, CIA, and various foreign
intelligence agencies -- France, Sweden, Israel, Iraq, Iran,
and others.
5. The overlap between the Clinton faction and the Bush
faction, in respect to Banca Nazionale del Lavoro [BNL],
Italy's largest bank, owned in part by the Vatican and one that
took over the scandal-ridden branches of Banco Ambrosiano
(whose head man, Roberto Calvi, was found hanged under Black
Friar's Bridge, London). As attorneys/strategists, and NSA
operators, Hillary Rodham Clinton and her associate and law
partner, Vincent Foster, jr., arranged for BCCI to penetrate
the U.S. market. Further, they were instrumental in
whitewashing Bush's role in the BNL-Atlanta scandal; wherein,
the Bush administration arranged for Saddam Hussein, Iraqi
strongman, to get 5 billion in loans for purchase of U.S.
weapons, all disguised as Agriculture Dept. loans. {2}.
[...to be continued...]
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{1} For further info on a possible Zapata Petroleum/drug
trafficking connection, see *The Immaculate Deception* by Russell
S. Bowen. Carson City: America West Publishers, 1991. ISBN 0-
922356-80-7
{2} Regarding the alleged Bush/Saddam connection:
MAJOR MEDIA HIDES BUSH-SADDAM-BCCI KICKBACK SCAM
(From *The Spotlight*, August 19, 1991)
Should President George Bush be prosecuted for engaging in
secret, illegal international business deals with Iraqi dictator
Saddam Hussein?
That was the provocative topic of the March 28 [1991] broadcast
of *The Spotlight*'s nightly call-in talk forum RADIO FREE
AMERICA [RFA] with host Tom Valentine.
Valentine's guest was veteran researcher Sherman Skolnick of
Chicago, who has been investigating Bush's involvement in a
burgeoning scandal which has been ignored by the Establishment
media.
Skolnick can be reached at the Citizens Committee to Clean Up the
Courts, 9800 South Oglesby, Chicago, Illinois [60617].
Skolnick also maintains a regular five-minute telephone
commentary, changed regularly, through which he brings updates
about his research about both local and national news. The
telephone number is (312) 731-1100.
Skolnick was interviewed again on RFA on August 6 [1991], in
which he reiterated these charges and gave additional details.
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TOM VALENTINE:
Former CIA Director-turned-President of the United States George
Bush has a lot of skeletons in his closet, doesn't he?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The press has published, without too many details, that there was
$200 billion in oil shipments from Iraq to the West over the past
five years and that Saddam Hussein siphoned off kickbacks of 5
percent. That's $10 billion.
The press did not see fit to mention -- at any time -- who [else]
was involved in those kickbacks. It was none other than Saddam's
partner in private business ventures -- George Herbert Walker
Bush.
VALENTINE:
You're kidding us, aren't you?
SKOLNICK:
No. I'm going to show you step by step. The bulk of the money
went through the Bank of Credit and Commerce International
[BCCI]. That bank was formed in the 1970s with seed money from
the Bank of America, the largest shareholders of which are the
Rothschilds of Chicago, Paris, London and Switzerland.
A director of a BCCI holding company, First American Bank in
Washington, D.C., is Clark Clifford [former secretary of defense
and leading Democratic Party figure]. More about Clifford later.
The bank is also linked to the financial affairs of former
President Jimmy Carter and his friend and one-time budget
director, banker Bert Lance.
Some of the details about the Democrats who have been involved in
this whole affair have been published, for example, in the May 3
[1991] issue of the *Wall Street Journal*.
During the 1988 presidential campaign, additionally, BCCI was one
of the major financiers of the Michael Dukakis campaign.
VALENTINE:
What happened to BCCI?
SKOLNICK:
On the Columbus Day weekend in 1988 at the behest of the Reagan
White House, BCCI's facilities in the United States were seized,
including their branch in Chicago. It was claimed that BCCI was
in the drug-money laundering business.
BCCI operates in 73 countries and has 400 branches.
BCCI financed the Democratic Party in the United States and
arranged deals for Republicans outside the United States.
VALENTINE:
Why did the Reagan-Bush White House move against BCCI?
SKOLNICK:
There were two purposes behind the seizure of the BCCI Chicago
branch:
One, to stop BCCI's funding of the Dukakis campaign so that
Dukakis would have no money for television advertisements in the
remaining weeks of the 1988 campaign.
Two, to impound and suppress records at the Chicago branch
regarding kickbacks to Saddam which tend to incriminate George
Bush in his joint business ventures with the Iraqi dictator.
I point out another thing: The same bank has records showing
joint business ventures between Gen. Manuel Noriega, former
dictator of Panama, and George Bush.
VALENTINE:
You've found that there is also a link to a BCCI branch in
Florida as well?
SKOLNICK:
Yes. In January of 1990, the federal prosecutor in Tampa had
former top officials of BCCI's Florida branch on trial. They were
allowed to escape prison with only a slap on the wrist and a
small penalty.
Here's why: They told the Justice Department that if they were
going to go to prison that they had documents from their bank
showing that George Bush had private business ventures through
their bank with a series of dictators including not only Saddam
and Noriega but others as well.
What's interesting is that the records of the Florida branch of
BCCI were not seized, but the Chicago branch records were seized.
The reason for this is that the bulk of the $10 billion in
kickbacks to Saddam went through the Chicago branch.
This is almost certainly the same reason that the Justice
Department is not interested in bringing charges against the
Chicago bankers. They can use the same threat against Bush that
the Florida bankers have made.
The Justice Department not only seized the Chicago branch records
to damage the Dukakis campaign, but to cover up the joint
business ventures between Bush and various dictators, as I've
mentioned.
Another bank, the Banca Nazionale del Lavoro [BNL], is also
involved in these deals. Their Chicago subsidiary also had
records relating to these deals.
VALENTINE:
Hasn't Congressman Henry Gonzalez [D-Texas] been looking into
this?
SKOLNICK:
Rep. Gonzalez, chairman of the House Banking Committee, was in
the process of seizing these records via a congressional
subpoena.
However, on December 28, 1990 a federal judge in Chicago, Brian
Duff, who is tied in with the Federal Reserve, impounded those
records and chased Gonzalez's attorney out of court and called
him names, saying he was acting like "an 800-pound gorilla."
The judge ordered Gonzalez not to use any of the records that he
already has and ordered him to give the other documents back.
All of this appears in the court records. In the March 25 [1991]
issue of *The Spotlight* you published the docket number of the
case in question, which is in the U.S. District Court in Chicago.
It is the People of the State of Illinois ex rel William C. Harris
vs the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System. It is
case No. 90 C 6863.
Here we have two foreign banks operating in Chicago that were
part of these deals.
VALENTINE:
How did these deals involving Bush work?
SKOLNICK:
It's technical, so bear with me: Saddam's oil was shipped to
Texaco. In 1985 a Texas jury, at the behest of Pennzoil, issued
the largest damage verdict in American history against Texaco.
Pennzoil claimed that Texaco damaged them in a deal with Getty
Oil.
Who owns Pennzoil? George Bush and his friends.
Some of this came out in an obituary in the *Chicago Tribune* on
March 4. It referred to "George Bush and his partner William
Liedtke Jr. and Liedtke's brother." It said that "In the mid-
1950s [the Liedtke brothers] teamed up with then-oilman George
Bush and John Overbee to form Zapata Petroleum Co."
"Then they went on to form Pennzoil."
VALENTINE:
Everybody knows about Bush and Zapata Oil but hardly anybody
knows about his connection to Pennzoil.
SKOLNICK:
Texaco appealed to the Texas Supreme Court, which upheld the
verdict but refused to review it. Thereafter there were stories
in the press in various parts of the country that judges on the
Texas Supreme Court are "corrupt."
Texaco went to the U.S. Supreme Court because they were told that
they had to put up a $12 billion "appeals bond." (It would have
been the biggest appeals bond in the history of the world.)
Bush leaned on the Supreme Court -- let's say it like it is --
Bush corrupted the Supreme Court to grant no remedy to Texaco.
Believe me, legal scholars were scratching their heads, but
there's no doubt about what happened.
VALENTINE:
How did Bush benefit from this court judgement?
SKOLNICK:
As a result of this, Texaco fell under the domination and
supervision of Pennzoil.
Where did the kickbacks to Saddam reportedly come from? They came
from the deals between Texaco and its subsidiaries purchasing oil
from Iraq. There's where the $200 billion comes from and 5
percent of that is $10 billion.
There's no way in the world that Bush would not have known about
those kickbacks, which he obviously supervised. As far as the
kickbacks, there has been something published about them.
The November 29, 1989 issue of the *Wall Street Journal* reported
that "IRS officials say that officials of the BNL got $290,000 in
kickbacks from Saddam in his deals."
The nature of these "deals" are left out of the article.
Obviously, some of these deals are the ones in which Bush was
involved.
As I perceive it, there has been falsification of records and
obstruction of justice. By what right does the White House lean
on the Supreme Court to damage Texaco for the benefit of George
Bush and his Pennzoil company?
VALENTINE:
Those are very heavy allegations.
SKOLNICK:
Let me go one step further. In the last couple of weeks the press
is trying to put all of the blame for the Noriega deals and for
the Saddam deals on Clark Clifford.
I've interviewed several sources who know Clifford and his wife.
His wife is going around crying to friends that her husband is
about to be indicted and framed by the White House to protect
Bush himself from going to prison.
I don't know if Clark Clifford is an angel or not, but I do know
it's wrong to blame all of this on Clifford and ride him into
jail without Bush going along behind him.
They are trying to make it look like the BCCI scandal is a
Democratic Party albatross and focus everything on Clifford.
I don't say any of this lightly. I'm saying that there is a
reasonable basis for grand juries to indict George Bush.
As far as I'm concerned there's only one independent source in
this country, and those are grand jurors.
If there are any grand jurors out there listening, they have the
opportunity here. They don't have to wait for the chief judge or
the prosecutor.
Our grand jurors can use their power to investigate these
transactions that have been summarized here involving Bush,
Noriega and Saddam along with BCCI and BNL. There's enough here
to prosecute Bush.
VALENTINE:
Has there been anything in the Establishment press about any of
this?
SKOLNICK:
The *Wall Street Journal* on March 25 of this year did admit that
a lot of Saddam's kickbacks went through BCCI, but they obviously
didn't go into these details even though they have good reporters
who could have dug up these matters. If I could dig it up, they
could have too.
VALENTINE:
What is Rep. Gonzalez doing about all this?
SKOLNICK:
I've talked to several sources close to Gonzalez [and they said]
that he is considering going before Congress and demanding that
the Justice Department prosecute Bush on these kickbacks to
Saddam that went through BCCI and BNL, which Bush knew about and
which his financial interests in those oil companies arranged.
Gonzalez's closest friends say that the only thing preventing the
congressman from going on the floor of the House and urging
Bush's prosecution is that the White House is invoking some sort
of "national security" matter involving these two banks.
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GEORGE BUSH, BILL CLINTON, KENNETH STARR and THE BLACKMAIL CARDS
By Sherman H. Skolnick
[...continued...]
6. The strange death of Vincent Foster, jr. -- some continuing
to contend murder -- and the overlapping involvement of both
the Clinton and Bush factions. For example, some of the
reported money laundering and espionage activities go through
the Washington, D.C. office of Chicago-based, 400-member law
firm, Winston and Strawn. A key lawyer in the D.C. office of
the firm is Foster's brother-in-law, Beryl Anthony, former
Arkansas Congressman who, some say, should have been indicted
along with Rostenkowski in the House Bank/Post Office scandal.
The chairman of the law firm is Jim Thompson, close business
associate of Bush and Reagan, formerly chief federal prosecutor
in Chicago, and former Governor, for 14 years, of Illinois. In
the death of Foster, should Anthony point an accusing finger at
Clinton or Bush? Or both of them? Some contend Winston &
Strawn, financially-interlocked with the GOP and Bush, are very
involved with Systematics' spying.
Some with one faction or the other are engaging in either
blackmail, or the rooting out and compromising of news sources
through counter-intelligence. Some examples:
Jim Norman, Editor of *Forbes* magazine, the financial glossy
publication, is known as investigating Systematics and their
reported spying on central and other banks as a reputed National
Security Agency (NSA) proprietary, using the "trap-door" software
mentioned. Some hard-nosed journalists and investigators who
intersected with Norman believe they should buy him either a
crying-towel or violin for his gypsy-scam melodies. Norman says
he wants his supposed blockbuster story on Systematics to be used
by his publisher, Malcolm Forbes, jr., but Norman lacks actual
documents and further sources. (Norman alleges he has some four
or more present or former CIA people who confirm that Systematics
has been a reputed NSA proprietary and that Foster, apparently,
was actually some kind of NSA agent or operative.) Norman would
have some believe that, absent these further documents and
sources, that his boss will order all the notes and records
Norman has supposedly gathered to be destroyed; that Norman
supposedly will thus become unemployed, if not unemployable, in
the mainstream journalism/publishing industry as a consequence.
Norman would have you believe that maybe Kenneth Starr has the
documents Norman/*Forbes* magazine needs to go to press with the
Systematics story. And: that Norman wants other
investigators/journalists to turn over -- please -- their sources
to Norman so he can confront Starr. That would work, Norman
alleges, because a Congressional Committee, he says, is soon to
hold hearings on foreign banks and such, and such hearings would
bring in the issue of Systematics and their reported bank spying.
Is Norman for real? Is someone at *Forbes* trying to blackmail
Israel and others who reportedly bribed NSA operative Foster with
a 2.7 million dollar account in a bank in Switzerland, for Foster
to leak NSA/Systematics spying data to Israel?
Or: Is Norman/*Forbes* working a counter-intelligence scheme to
compromise those with inside data about Kenneth Starr/ Systematics /
Inslaw and such? That is, playing his journalist-about-to-be-
unemployed gypsy violin, are they trying to burn down bridges so
the Systematics story cannot really come out altogether?
And the journalists and private investigators who reportedly are
confronting Starr with details -- inside stuff -- so as to force
Starr to "go the whole distance" -- burning down Hillary, Bill
Clinton, Ollie North, George Bush, the whole gang, both parties:
What about them? Apparently Starr senses that this group who are
confronting him have somehow stolen copies of his inside records,
and are, in effect, saying:
"Look, Starr: Here are your own records -- what are you going
to do, arrest us for swiping your records?"
Their purpose is apparently two-fold, or one or the other of
several situations:
-- to force Starr to cause the unsealing of the reported sealed
two-count indictment against the First Lady. Are the indictments
somehow considered legally "defective", and therefore, the Chief
Judge would quash them and never unseal them, and therefore,
splitting hairs, some could say "the indictments do not exist"?
-- to force Starr to take certain action, on or off the record,
that would point the accusing finger in a forbidden direction,
against GOP crooks like Ollie North and George Bush? Mena, gun
running/dope, the whole shot, a la Terry Reed's book,
*Compromised*?
-- to force Starr to take such action, on or off the record, that
would resolve certain situations to the benefit of certain
clients of certain private investigators that have been either
aiding Starr or trying to use him?
Another part of the blackmail scenario is the Clinton-forced-to-
resign card. Some contend Starr wants to bring out only enough
details and indictments to benefit the GOP, the Christian Right,
the Hawks in Congress, and such, to force Bill Clinton to resign
at a time and place convenient and useful to the GOP, etc. Not
too early and not too late. To do that, Starr has to torpedo all
investigations by his team of Mena, narco-terror funding through
Arkansas bond brokers/banks, Chicago banks and markets, and such.
Those tormenting Starr et al., saying "We either have your secret
documents or have abstracts and summaries of the specifics they
contain, and you'd better shape up and fly properly," -- may be
causing Starr et al. to lose a lot of sleep.
Funny thing, not enough financial hotshots have got into the
middle of this -- you would suppose they would have an interest
to find out all this, so as to get their clients out of the
stock/bond markets before a Clinton donnybrook. The up an
eighth/down an eighth crowd don't yet see the significance of all
this pushing/shoving, blackmailing, and counter-intelligence.
Some public-interest types, however, *are* dedicated to exposing
the whole mess, and let it all hang out or fall down.
With a foot in both GOP and Democrat camps as well as various
banks is the story about the mysterious 50 million dollar
transfer, to Little Rock from Chicago, of a Resolution Trust
Corporation [RTC] contingency fund, to cover up Bill and Hillary
Clinton's complicity in the downfall of Madison Guaranty Savings
and Loan Association. The secret transfer involves Household
International, a successor of the CIA-linked Nugan-Hand Bank of
Australia. Details [are] contained in our stories about the
Andreuccetti affair in Chicago and the murder of RTC senior
investigation specialist Jon Parnell Walker.
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Mr. Skolnick is chairman/founder, since 1963, of the public-
interest group, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the Courts, which
has for more than 3 decades touched off some of the most profound
bribery and similar scandals in American history. Since 1971, he
has been editor, *Hotline News*, a 5-minute recorded phone
commentary (a regular phone call): (312) 731-1100, changed about
3 times/week, on 24 hours/day, heard each week by many thousands.
Since 1991, a regular panel member on a public access Cable TV
show in Chicago, viewed by hundreds of thousands in Chicago and
suburbs, 1 hour/week. His commentaries run on Internet, Prodigy,
and similar computer networks. Office (8 a.m. to midnight, 7
days/week): (312) 375-5741. 9800 So. Oglesby Avenue, Chicago IL
60617. Call us before sending FAX please.
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*PROJECT CENSORED*
Top 25 Censored Stories
(From *The 1995 Project Censored Yearbook* by Carl Jensen &
Project Censored. New York: Four Walls Eight Windows, 1995. ISSN
1074-5998)
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#25 -- Deadly "Mad Cow Disease" Spreads to North America
A new and ghastly disease which turns the brain spongelike and
has been attacking dairy cows in England for years, has now
appeared in North America. Nicknamed "Mad Cow Disease," bovine
spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) has infected more than 120,000
cattle since it was discovered in 1985.
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#24 -- Epilepsy Drug Fiasco Ignored by Press
On August 2, 1993, FDA approved felbamate, an epilepsy drug.
FDA claimed that felbamate reduced the frequency of epileptic
seizures and had minimal side effects. Just a year later, Carter-
Wallace Inc. warned doctors to quit treating patients with
Felbatol, apparently their specific brand name for felbamate.
"The story received only minimal coverage in terms of the human
cost... There were no follow-ups on victims; no coverage
whatsoever of withdrawal causing grand-mal seizures."
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#23 -- Buying and Selling Permits to Pollute
Under federal law, a polluting company that seeks to move into
or expand in a polluted area must first obtain emissions
reductions, or "offsets," from existing plants in the same
locale. In some areas, it is possible for a company to reduce its
polluting emissions and then "bank" those credits for later sale
to a company that needs them.
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#22 -- Over-the-Counter Diet Pills Cause Deaths
Problems with over-the-counter diet pills and cold medications
containing phenyl-propanolamine hydrochloride (PPA). The drug has
a chemical structure similar to speed, and like speed, can
trigger a sharp rise in blood pressure, sometimes resulting in
stroke.
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#21 -- Illegal Toxic Burning at Super-Secret Air Force Facility
The United States government has used secrecy and over-
classification to hide the illegal burning of toxic materials at
an Air Force facility so secret that the federal government does
not even admit it exists.
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#20 -- Legalizing Carcinogens in Our Food
Under current law (Delaney), if a pesticide is shown to be a
carcinogen, the government must ban it from use in all processed
foods. Yet, until 1992, the pesticide industry had found ways to
circumvent this law. Then, in 1992, a federal lawsuit compelled
the EPA to enforce Delaney. To avoid doing this, and to appease
the chemical industry, the Clinton EPA proposed a legislative
"reform" package that would replace the Delaney law.
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#19 -- Cesarean Sections Epidemic
Nearly one in four pregnant women have a c-section. The c-
section is major surgery that involves entering the abdominal
cavity. As many as 50 percent of c-sections may be unnecessary.
In-depth coverage of this story by the mass media might have
increased women's awareness of the risks associated with cesarean
surgery and of the steps they can take to avoid an unnecessary c-
section. [CN -- But hey! We would have missed the O.J. Simpson
trial!]
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#18 -- Nationwide Collusion between Drug Companies and Pharmacists
Major drug companies have started to pay pharmacists to
promote their drugs over those of their competitors. It should be
noted that drug makers' kickbacks are not restricted to
pharmacists; drug makers sometimes offer kickbacks to physicians
who use their products.
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#17 -- Censoring Tomorrow's Journalists Today
In 1988, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that the First
Amendment did not apply to student journalists ("Hazelwood School
District vs. Kuhlmeier"). Some high school principals who want to
control the student press seized upon *Hazelwood* as a
justification for prior review or for restriction of subjects
students can write about. The Student Press Law Center has
reported an increase in requests for assistance with censorship
problems from high school journalists since *Hazelwood*.
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#16 -- Fallibility of the AIDS Test
The problem of faulty HIV tests was front-page headline news
in the *London Sunday Times* in August 1993, but did not make
major news in the U.S. The *Sunday Times* reported: "The 'AIDS
test' is scientifically invalid and incapable of determining
whether people are really infected with HIV, according to a new
report by a team of Australian scientists... Doctors should think
again about its use, say the authors."
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#15 -- DARE Program Cover-up Continues
Drug Abuse Resistance Education (DARE) is a failure, so said
the 1993 *Project Censored*. The story is nominated again for
three reasons: 1) evidence that *The Washington Post* revised an
article, without the author's permission, on behalf of the DARE
program; 2) evidence that the U.S. Department of Justice covered
up the program's failure by rejecting a study it commissioned
that concluded that the DARE program doesn't work; and 3)
continued failure of the news media to put the issue on the
national agenda.
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#14 -- Faulty Nuclear Fuel Rods Spell Potential Disasters
The critical fuel rods in 108 of our nation's nuclear power
plants are failing in increasing numbers and the Nuclear
Regulatory Commission knows about it... but is doing nothing.
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#13 -- The Nuclear Regulatory Commission's Dirty Secret
Secret internal industry documents obtained by *Public
Citizen's* Critical Mass Energy Project reveal that America's
nuclear reactors have more serious safety, training, and
equipment problems than government regulators acknowledge.
[...to be continued...]
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*PROJECT CENSORED*
Top 25 Censored Stories
(From *The 1995 Project Censored Yearbook* by Carl Jensen &
Project Censored. New York: Four Walls Eight Windows, 1995. ISSN
1074-5998)
[...continued...]
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#12 -- How Unocal Covered Up a Record-Breaking California Oil Spill
In the early 1950s, Unocal started using a light oil to dilute
heavy oil at their production facilities. The blend of the two
oils sped across a network of pipelines criss-crossing Unocal's
facilities. Over the years, these pipes began to leak, and the
lost oil entered the water table, with some of it seeping into
the ocean. For years, Unocal succeeded in warding off any
discovery that millions of gallons of their oil was leaking from
their pipes and into the water table. In fact, Unocal actively
worked to hide the spills.
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#11 -- The Treasury Department Ignores S&L Crimes
The Treasury Department operates FinCEN, the Financial Crimes
Enforcement Network, a database established in 1990 to help wage
the "war against drugs" by tracking the flow of narcotics money.
One might reasonably expect that this huge database would also be
used to track down the financial criminals who looted the S&Ls
and laundered the proceeds. However, the Treasury Department
apparently has decided not to use FinCEN's extraordinary
capabilities to track down the money laundered by the well-heeled
S&L crooks.
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#10 -- News Media Masks Spousal Violence in the "Language of Love"
Ann Jones, a journalism professor and author, charges that the
media are masking violence against women with the language of
love. For example, a New York City cop shot his ex-girlfriend
four times, then killed himself, and a headline read, "Tragedy of
a Lovesick Cop".
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#9 -- The Pentagon's Mysterious HAARP Project
The HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Project)
project, now under construction in Alaska, is an attempt to
create an "ionospheric heater". Scientists envision a powerful
2.8-10 MHz beam to burn "holes" in the ionosphere and "create an
artificial lens" in the sky that could focus large bursts of
electromagnetic energy "to higher altitudes than is presently
possible." For a project whose backers hail it as a major
scientific feat, HAARP has remained extremely low-profile.
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#8 -- The Return of Tuberculosis
Tuberculosis (TB), thought to be a disease of the past, has
surged back with a vengeance and now kills more people than any
other infectious or communicable disease in the world -- despite
the fact that it is curable. Today, TB threatens more people than
AIDS, cholera, dengue fever, and other infectious diseases
*combined*. A person who has active TB can spread the infection
simply by coughing, sneezing, etc., while another person has only
to inhale the bacilli to become infected.
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#7 -- 60 Billion Pounds of Fish Wasted Annually
As large-scale fishing technologies have taken over the
world's oceans, they have become less and less selective in their
catch. Fish too small to be taken and species not legally fished
are caught, and then thrown overboard to die. Ironically, the
federal government's efforts to manage the catch has instead led
to incredible waste, unsafe fishing practices, and economic chaos
for the industry.
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#6 -- 1947 AEC Memo Reveals Why Human Radiation Experiments Were Censored
Unethical, immoral, and illegal Cold War radiation experiments
on unsuspecting humans by the Department of Defense are now
coming to light. An April 17, 1947 Atomic Energy Commission (AEC)
memo reads, in part,
SUBJECT: Medical Experiments on Humans
1. It is desired that no document be released which refers
to experiments with humans and might have adverse
effect on public opinion or result in legal suits.
Documents covering such work field should be classified
"secret".
The memorandum identifies the true enemy -- "public opinion." And
the means used to defeat the enemy -- "classification".
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#5 -- Clinton Administration Retreats on Ozone Crisis
The Clinton administration has been moving backward on
protecting the stratospheric ozone layer. Du Pont, the giant
chemical firm, had planned to halt chlorofluorocarbon (CFC)
production at the end of 1994. Yet, in late 1993, EPA
[Environmental Protection Agency] *asked* *Du* *Pont* *to* *keep*
*making* *CFCs* *until* *1996*.
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#4 -- Poisoning Ourselves with Toxic Incinerators
(1) Incineration produces dioxin as a byproduct. (2) Dioxin is
one of the most potent, toxic, and carcinogenic chemicals known
to science. (3) Dioxin accumulates through the food chain.
Despite this, incineration has rapidly proliferated throughout
the country as the "profitable answer" for disposal of the
nation's stockpile of toxic waste and garbage.
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#3 -- The Secret Pentagon Plan to Subsidize Defense Contractor Mergers
The Pentagon is secretly funneling taxpayer dollars to giant
military contractors to help them grow even larger. This
extraordinary Pentagon ploy to pay defense contractors billions
of dollars to underwrite expenses connected with acquisitions and
mergers was approved without any announcement in 1993; it was not
discovered until July 1994.
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#2 -- Powerful Group of Ultra-Conservatives Has Secret Plans
Beware of the Council for National Policy (CNP), an elite
group of administration officials, congressmen, industrialists,
and conservative Christians. After the public inauguration of the
group, the CNP went underground. Russ Bellant, author of *The
Coors Connection*, said the meetings of this little-known
organization are often a spring-board for radical-right campaigns
and long-term planning. The group meets quarterly behind closed
doors and is so secretive that the group's Washington office will
neither confirm nor deny where, or even if, the group meets.
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#1 -- The Deadly Secrets of the Occupational Safety Agency
240,450 American workers exposed to hazardous materials at 258
worksites... many affected workers unaware of exposure... by
1994, fewer than 30 percent of these affected workers had been
notified, leaving 169,270 still in the dark about health risks
from on-the-job exposure. It has been estimated that notification
of each individual worker would cost from $150 to $300.
Nonetheless, more than 169,000 workers across the U.S. still have
not been informed about their deadly exposure to cancer-causing
agents.
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THE NAME ON A BUILDING
By Sherman H. Skolnick
This is the story of two brothers and a federal office building
in Chicago. John C. Kluczynski was born 1896, his brother Thomas
E., 1903. Starting in the 1920s, they and their family ran a
restaurant in the Windy City, on Milwaukee Avenue. It was a
criminal enterprise -- gambling deals and arranging bribes to
public officials.
John became a member of the State legislature in the 1930s. By
1950, a Congressman. Thomas became a judge in 1950, starting in
Cook County Circuit Court. He went on to Chicago's highly corrupt
Illinois Appellate Court, 1st District. By 1966, he was on the
Illinois Supreme Court.
Thomas used old-time mob methods to avoid having his phone calls
overheard by wire-taps. He had a big-old rumbling fan with a
switch right near the phone. When the phone rang, even in the
middle of winter, the noisy fan made it hard to eavesdrop.
Called "Klu" for short, the brothers were interlocked with
gangsters that had the food and beverage concessions in the Park
District and such.
Tom Klu became a stockbroker in and consultant to the United of
America Bank, formed jointly with CIA and mafia money to launder
funds for the CIA's 1961 plan to invade Cuba at the Bay of Pigs.
Fellow stockholder in this small, closely-held bank was gangster-
mouthpiece Irv Kupcinet, gossip columnist for the Chicago *Sun-
Times*. Patriarch of a large, corrupt law firm, Albert Jenner,
jr., was a director of the bank. He was a member of the infamous
Warren Commission, whitewashing CIA's role in the assassination
of President Kennedy.
In 1969, our group touched off the largest judicial bribery
scandal in the nation's history -- half the judges of the
Illinois Supreme Court went to the wall. As their defense
counsel, Jenner failed to protect all the judges except Thomas E.
Kluczynski. Tom Klu's national security role with the mafia/CIA
bank was enough to let him walk away from the mess. After all,
the judge was also tightly wound into the Cook County Sanitary
District, site of uncorrected corruption for decades and decades.
Benefitting for many years with the Kluczynski brothers from the
Unsanitary District rip-offs was Henry Crown, infamous head of a
family fortune started in cement and gravel, Material Service
Corp., based on massive bribery of judges and such. The Crowns
were major stockholders of war monger, General Dynamics.
A former top Justice Department official confirmed to us that
Judge Kluczynski on a rather regular basis had breakfast on
Saturday mornings in a restaurant in Lincolnwood, a Chicago
suburb. Usually meeting there and negotiating business with him
were known gangsters. When the judge retired, he became a
"fixer", corruptly hushing up wiretapping scandals as a so-called
"consultant" for Illinois Bell Telephone Co., now part of
Ameritech. As we have told you in exclusive stories, the phone
company has a crooked past -- just like these Kluczynski
brothers.
So, it should come as no surprise, when they built the second
federal office building in Chicago, they named it, naturally, the
John C. Kluczynski Federal Building. To some, it was the same as
calling it the Al Capone Building. 230 So. Dearborn St., site of
the IRS -- top IRS officials there, named as corrupt in a 1989
Congressional report, were not removed but promoted. The building
is also the headquarters of the Treasury's stormtroopers, the
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Fire-Arms, booze bandits,
cigarette stamp thieves, and gun-grabbers.
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Mr. Skolnick is founder/chairman, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up
the Courts, since 1963. Since 1971, editor, HOTLINE NEWS,
recorded message, on 24 hours/day, (312) 731-1100. Since 1991,
regular panel member on "Broadsides", popular public access Cable
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HAVE THE JAPANESE BEEN SPYING ON THE CHICAGO MARKETS?
By Sherman H. Skolnick
Some contend that the Japanese have been spying on the Clinton
White House, with highly sophisticated gear installed when the
place was re-equipped with computers and such. Also spied on
reportedly were various other facilities in the District of
Columbia. Some are calling it a second Pearl Harbor -- the U.S.
military reportedly arranged to poison gas attack the subways in
Japan and the Japanese retaliated by reportedly contracting with
a special team to bomb the federal office building in Oklahoma
City.
This is not the first time the Japanese have reportedly been
spying on the U.S. In the late 1970s and early 1980s, Japanese
super-duper speculators began a great effort to take over the
markets in Chicago. In 1978, the Midwest Stock Exchange wanted to
switch from paper records to computer record-keeping. A top
official of the Exchange, who may have been secretly in with the
Japanese, said IBM could get the choice contract, which included
upwards of 100,000 dollars per month maintenance fees. Other
firms bid on the deal, but the Exchange honcho said IBM would get
the deal *provided* an IBM Japanese-American systems engineer was
in charge. So that was the arrangement agreed on.
The engineer also got into a business circle that included some
very interesting folks. One of them, a super speculator on
currencies, reportedly had close contacts with top dogs of the
Japanese government, including cabinet members. Some of the
circle were the secret *Chicago* *connection* for the Pope's
Banker, Michele Sindona. According to published accounts, Sindona
was also the banker, at the same time, for the mafia, the
American CIA, the Italian Secret Police, and the highly violent
Freemason group, P-2, dedicated to overthrowing representative
governments, Italy, France, England, *and* *the* *United*
*States*. Note: in our exclusive stories about P-2, we told you
how the highly secret grand mother lodge of P-2, for the Western
Hemisphere, is headquartered in Chicago, and headed up by former
Federal District Judge Nicholas J. Bua [BOO-ahh] (same one with
the Bua Report white-washed the Inslaw affair).
The systems engineer reportedly also supervised the computers at
the Chicago Mercantile Exchange and the Chicago Board Options
Exchange. In their circle and trading on the Options Exchange has
been a business partner of William Casey, the director of CIA in
the Reagan administration. The Japanese-American system
engineer's business circle almost went to jail with Ivan Boesky,
convicted of insider trading -- Or, did they save themselves by
becoming U.S. government witnesses fingering Boesky and Michael
Milken, as competitors in some way to the Japanese?
Some were wondering whether all this would become public as a
result of a lawsuit: Members of the Midwest Stock Exchange, as a
class action, against the Midwest Stock Exchange and related
entities. Pending in the Chancery Division of Cook County Circuit
Court, No. 91 CH 9037. The suit contends that the computer was
set up to conceal hundreds of millions of dollars, sometimes
called "phantom agreements", and that trading members had their
accounts added and subtracted, apparently disappearing through
the computer.
Funny thing, there apparently was tax evasion of a massive scale
-- Yet, the IRS pretends not to notice. To try to get the smell
off of themselves, they changed the name to Chicago Stock
Exchange.
Still so far awaiting trial, both sides of the case contend that
the Japanese-American systems engineer is a key witness -- Yet,
both sides fear to call him as a witness. Why? Would it bring out
the Japanese speculators putting the arm on the Exchanges in
Chicago?
Remember: in 1984, Japanese speculators, in with the Japanese
mafia, the Yakusa, put under the Continental Bank, a major
depository for the Exchanges in Chicago. Part of the Continental
was taken over, reportedly, by the Yakusa, reportedly through
their Sanwa Bank of Osaka. The Japanese CIA and the Yakusa are
one and the same. So how about that.
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Mr. Skolnick is founder/chairman, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up
the Courts, since 1963. Since 1971, editor, HOTLINE NEWS,
recorded message, on 24 hours/day, (312) 731-1100. Since 1991,
regular panel member on "Broadsides", popular public access Cable
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THE CRIMES OF MENA
Investigative report by Sally Denton and Roger Morris
[*Penthouse*, July 1995]
Yes, this is the article, originally scheduled to run earlier
this year in the *Washington Post*, that was yanked at the last
possible moment. "At the very last minute... the *Post* killed
the piece -- and refused to give a satisfactory answer for its
action."
The authors, Denton and Morris, obtained what they refer to as
"the Seal archives" after more than a year of digging into the
story. Named for reputed drug smuggler *extraordinaire* Adler
Berriman Seal, the archives seem to have been primarily gathered
in via the efforts of Denton (author, by the way, of a good book
on drugs and political corruption in Kentucky, *The Bluegrass
Conspiracy*), who "scoured her considerable law-enforcement and
underworld sources throughout the nation."
"By late summer 1994, what we called the Seal archive was mostly
gathered -- more than 2,000 documents, from the smallest receipt
to whole volumes of investigation..."
For those of you tuning in late, here is what the Mena story is
all about, based on the testimony of scores of witnesses,
investigators, experts, insiders, and researchers. Mena is a
small town in Western Arkansas. During the 1980s, huge C-130
cargo planes, laden with weapons, would take off from there and
fly down to Central America. The weapons would be unloaded and
given to the *Contras*. (Some say that the weapons were being
distributed to *both* *sides*.) The cargo planes did not fly back
empty; weapons sales were financed, at least partly, by cocaine
and marijuana; the cargo planes flew back to Arkansas filled with
illegal drugs. The sales of these illegal drugs caused many
Arkansas banks to be, as Sherman Skolnick puts it, "awash with
cash."
The genesis of the Mena affair was the attempt (illegal) by
some/all of the Reagan/Bush White House to circumvent the Boland
amendment which had cut off Congressional funding for the
*Contras* in Nicaragua. They are supposed to have paid off then-
Governor Clinton and some/all of the Arkansas government in
return that they look the other way and pretend not to notice
anything unusual going on at places like Mena, Arkansas.
So, if the many witnesses are to be believed (and I think they
are telling the truth), Arkansas was a beehive of drug/gun
smuggling and money laundering activity during the 1980s. And the
real kicker is that some/most highly-placed persons within the
U.S. government were involved in all this! So that we had (and,
some say, still have) a "war on drugs" in this country in which
the forces of "law and order" were not only combatting drug
smuggling but were also, themselves, smuggling in the drugs!!
So now it is like, as if we didn't have enough proof of this
already, here comes Denton and Morris with even *more* proof. We
don't need more proof! The proof is already there! It is like, as
if "Well maybe the 'massa' don't see it our way because we ain't
done put it down double-spaced and with 1-inch margins." The
"massa" don't see it 'cuz the "massa" don't *want* to see it!
It's not that the "massa" just don't have enough proof! The
"massa" ain't never gonna have enough proof because this story,
if it *were* to come out in the "official" media would make the
"massa" look bad! So the "massa" ain't gonna see it and it's not
that he just needs more proof or that the report must be double-
spaced or any of that crap.
But, anyway, here is more proof, good proof, in the July 1995
*Penthouse*. What good is it going to do? Will Tom Brokaw
suddenly sit up and take notice? ("Gosh, all I needed was more
proof! I'll get right on it!") Is this factual account of grand
commisars and high potentates of the U.S. government dealing
drugs -- and even banking the profits -- finally going to push
the O.J. Simpson trial off the tube? Don't bet on it.
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*REPORT FROM IRON MOUNTAIN* -- A FRAUD?
The June 12, 1995 issue of *The Nation* magazine carries an
editorial ("Anatomy of a Hoax") which claims the controversial
*Report From Iron Mountain* is, in fact, nothing more than a hoax
carried out by freelance writer Leonard Lewin. "In fact it was
more than a hoax; it was a satire, a parody, a provocation." The
author of the *Nation* editorial, Victor Navasky, claims to have
been present when Lewin is supposed to have written *Iron
Mountain*.
Navasky also implicates E.L. Doctorow, then with Dial Press, as
being part of the plot. Doctorow, allegedly, agreed to list *Iron
Mountain* in their catalog as non-fiction, although he knew
otherwise.
When a reporter from *The New York Times* called the LBJ White
House in order to authenticate *Iron Mountain*, he received a
standard "no comment" response. When the reporter then called
Dial Press for authentication, he was told to wade through the
mass of esoteric footnotes that accompanied *Iron Mountain*.
According to *The Nation*, in the end, the *New York Times* ran a
story saying "that the possible hoax was a possibly suppressed
report."
Next, John Kenneth Galbraith, using the pen name "Professor
Herschel McLandress", wrote a review of *Iron Mountain* in *Book
World*. Galbraith (writing as McLandress) wrote that he would
"put my personal repute behind the authenticity of this
document."
*The Nation* subtly hints that (reading between the lines), "Ah-
hah. You see don't you -- these conspiratologists. So credulous
about this and therefore credulous about all conspiracy theories
and therefore don't bother with conspiracy theories. Oh no, just
put the conspiracy theories to one side, won't you? Then we can
just do 'institutional analyses' like always."
"Come on, guys," (hints *The Nation*, between the lines). "Let's
just cut out this conspiracy stuff, okay? Okay??"
*The Nation* points out that, every time someone in on the hoax
confesses, "the conspiracy theorists regard it as further proof
of a cover-up." *Comme ce, comme ca*. Every time *The Nation*
covers up a conspiracy, the conspiracy theorists regard it as
further proof that *The Nation*, itself, is a hoax.
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WHAT IS WHITEWATER REALLY ALL ABOUT?
By Sherman H. Skolnick
The popular press would have us believe that Whitewater was a few
real estate mistakes of Bill and Hillary Clinton. Totally no more
than 69 thousand dollars or so. Why the press is kidding us may
become more clear after considering a few items the press has not
seen fit to tell us.
William Jefferson Clinton deems himself a clever man. Recruited
by CIA early on, he was in a position to understand counter-
intelligence and espionage agencies using different financial
entities as a money laundry to disguise covert action funds.
Bill was recruited by Central Intelligence supposedly as a
travelling student. In Prague, at the time [of] the Soviets'
bloody seizure from the local communists, Bill stayed at the home
of the son of a leading communist leader. Those not understanding
the use of students as spies and counter-spies might simply label
Clinton as a "Red". Actually, Bill was part of a CIA counter-
espionage scheme, similar to the role of Allard K. Lowenstein as
head of the National Student Association in the 1950s.
Lowenstein's operation, somewhat similar to Bill's, was done with
foundations acting as conduits for CIA funding. Some journalists,
like this writer, began confronting Lowenstein with his CIA
links. While plotting to help Ted Kennedy somehow steal the 1980
presidential election, Lowenstein was blown away by a so-called
"lone assassin".
Clinton also went to Moscow, again the travelling student with an
espionage agenda. He accomplished what his bosses at CIA
considered a brilliant move: Clinton stole a secret transcript of
a tongue-lashing one Soviet dictator gave to others in their
ruling elite. Conveyed by Clinton to CIA, this endeared Bill to
the Rockefellers. After all, CIA's worldwide job has been to
guard Rockefeller's foreign oil properties.
So Clinton's rise to power has to be understood in this context.
After all, Arkansas is a sizeable state with a small population.
Is it a secret the Rockefellers own and operate Arkansas?
Winthrop Rockefeller was Governor of the State a few terms before
Bill. Worthen Banking Group and the Jackson Stephens family --
headquartered in Little Rock -- are the largest bond brokers and
investment bankers outside of Wall Street. They apparently are
all fronting for the Rockefellers and the American spy shop.
Hillary Rodham is a CIA darling as well, in some ways separate
and apart from "Sludge Willie". In spook parlance, they are a
"CIA couple". Yes, they are married and had a daughter. Yet, Bill
and Hillary are part of somewhat separate espionage agendas.
Hillary understands plenty. She was a key aide during the
Watergate investigation whitewash of the role of CIA. Put in a
nutshell, Nixon wanted to become an imperial president by
blackmailing CIA on their role in the murder of President
Kennedy. CIA double agents supposedly working for the Nixon
White House arranged to get themselves caught at the Watergate
Hotel. Result: the downfall of Nixon, arranged by CIA, and
Hillary, early in her career, played her part.
Hillary went on to become board chairman of a CIA foundation
instrumental in funding dirty tricks using agents provocateurs.
The CIA and their use of foundations, like the one later headed
by Hillary, is a story all by itself. This writer once taught a
course at a radio/TV broadcast school on the subject of CIA and
their foundations and how to research and investigate the same.
An entity much-used by CIA was the Bank of Credit and Commerce
International [BCCI]. Foreign espionage agencies, like those of
France and Israel, likewise used BCCI. The popular press has
given Americans the false understanding that the rogue bank was a
purely Arab creature.
There are profound reasons why the mass media are fearful of
pushing too hard on the Clintons. The fall-out would damage a few
other windows as well.
In 1991, four major news organizations had obtained the bribery
list, showing who BCCI had bribed, worldwide, including the
United States. By some mystery it was, for thirty days only, a
public record at the Bank of England. One of these news groups
corroborated that the list was correct as to the United States.
According to the details, 108 members of the U.S. House of
Representatives and 28 U.S. Senators received bribes from BCCI.
Part of the scheme involved 6 Chicago commodity brokers, some
with offices in London. One of them, Capcom, was reportedly
secretly owned by major officials of one of the largest cable
companies with purported links to Turner Broadcasting of Atlanta.
BCCI wanted to penetrate the American banking scene in a big way.
They did a thing natural to cynical big business: they bought
Congress. The details were too shocking for the major news group.
So a brave journalist turned over the details to this writer and
his associates who further verified the details and wrote
exclusive stories in 1991. Reportedly implicated was Wendy Gramm,
at the time head of the federal agency regulating commodity
brokers, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. She is the
wife of Senator Phil Gramm (R., Texas).
The strange death of Vincent Foster, jr., Clinton White House
aide, is bound up with activities of Foster and Hillary to assist
BCCI to penetrate American business.
Records of the House Banking Committee show BCCI was practically
a twin of another scandal-ridden operation, Banca Nazionale del
Lavoro [BNL], Italy's largest bank, owned in part by the Vatican.
The Congressional Committee sought further records of BNL's
Chicago branch. A Federal judge in Chicago, close to the Bush
White House, issued an injunction to stop the House Banking
Committee from using records of BNL Chicago. Involved were huge
transactions of Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi strongman, and his
secret, private business partner. In May, 1991, shortly after the
Persian Gulf War, the case ended up to be heard by a three-judge
panel in the U.S. Court of Appeals in Chicago. This writer and
his associates were the only journalists attending the hearing.
Afterwards, in the back of the courtroom, we did exclusive
interviews with some of the participants in the case. They
confirmed what we had heard elsewhere from reliable sources: that
George Herbert Walker Bush, at the time President, was the
secret, private business partner in joint ventures with the Iraqi
dictator. Involved in the bank records were tens of billions of
dollars of oil kick-backs from various Persian Gulf oil-soaked
sheikdoms, shared by Bush and his cronies with Saddam Hussein.
The Iraqi dictator was the bully boy of the Persian Gulf and
received 25 percent of the proceeds of oil shipped to the West.
So, when oil was 20 dollars per barrel, Hussein split the 5
dollar per barrel kick-back with Bush and his bunch. A trillion
dollars of oil was shipped from the Gulf in the decade, 1980 to
1990. The corrupt rake-off amounted to 25 billion dollars per
year, making Saddam Hussein and Bush the richest men on the
planet.
The federal trial judge had ordered the Banking Committee to
return the records and enjoined their disclosure and use. After
the appeals court hearing, the Bush Justice Department leaked
details to certain journalists, that one of the 3-judge panel had
taken bribes, known to the Justice Department, in eight other
unrelated cases. In that context, the end result became obvious.
The appeals court panel ordered the BNL Chicago case to be
removed from the courthouse, a way of hushing the matter up.
The press, other than small publications, will not say a single
word about the case of Bank Lavoro's Chicago branch. And not a
single committee of the House or Senate will utter a single word
about the Chicago mess. Congress and the press have discussed a
federal case involving BNL's Atlanta branch. Some 5 billion
dollars was secretly diverted to Iraq -- a paltry sum by
comparison to BNL Chicago. Disguised as Agriculture Department
loans, the funds were diverted for Iraq to buy weapons from
American companies.
The press and Congress have omitted some key details about Iraq
and BNL Atlanta. The deal was arranged and strategized by Hillary
Rodham Clinton in conjunction with her law partner at the Rose
Law Firm in Little Rock, namely, [Vince] Foster. Part of the
Iraqi weapons money reportedly was washed through the banks of
Clinton's cronies, Jackson Stephens and the Worthen Banking
Group.
[...to be continued...]
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+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
WHAT IS WHITEWATER REALLY ALL ABOUT?
By Sherman H. Skolnick
[...continued...]
Almost all in the press ignored the story that the Federal
Reserve was investigating Hillary and Foster in respect to money
laundering [of] illicit funds through foreign bank arrangements.
Were the deals with BNL Chicago and BNL Atlanta arranged by and
through CIA? With the aid of former CIA Director George Bush and
CIA darling Hillary? A host of circumstantial details, enough to
fill several books, tend to prove that.
Then there is the case of Bill and Hillary Clinton and the
mysterious fifty million dollars. Some background gives the
context.
Pending since 1984 have been a slew of state and federal cases in
the Chicago area that together have come to be called the
Andreuccetti Affair. Named for Joseph Andreuccetti, a west
suburban caulking contractor pushed, he says, into *involuntary*
bankruptcy by massive fraud of several banks and savings and
loans. One such S&L [was] taken over by Household International,
parent of Household Bank, together successors to the CIA-linked
Nugan-Hand Bank of Australia. (See: Jonathan Kwitny's book, *The
Crimes of Patriots*.)
Because of large, pending claims by Andreuccetti against the
defunct S&L, the federal bail-out machine, Resolution Trust
Corporation [RTC], set up a 58 million dollar fund parked with
Household. One of Joe's [Andreuccetti's] attorneys more or less
supervised the fund, John E. Gierum. In January, 1994, Gierum, of
suburban Park Ridge, confessed to this writer, in the presence of
Andreuccetti, about Gierum's troubles. Gierum has been a close
crony of Hillary's family (originally from Park Ridge), the
Rodhams. The White House, Gierum confessed, is trying to frame
Gierum for the secret transfer of 50 million dollars of that
contingency fund. The fund was transferred to Little Rock, to
make good some 47 million dollars gone from Madison Guaranty
Savings and Loan; some federal sources blame the President and
First Lady for the missing 47 million dollars, talking darkly of
mis-appropriation or bank embezzlement.
Gierum knew this writer from a probe of the Andreuccetti Affair
by a court reform group headed by this writer. Gierum said he did
not think he could prevent from getting "framed" for the
mysterious 50 million dollar transfer.
"You're a skilled lawyer, you should be able to defend yourself,"
Gierum was told. The attorney explained mournfully that the
powers that be, that is, the Clinton White House, have the matter
set up, and the usual defense of the law and the facts cannot
help Gierum.
Reliable federal sources told us some 32 bookkeepers were unable
to locate or figure out how the 50 million dollars disappeared
from Household and RTC Chicago. By the way, is it just
coincidence? Former CIA pilot Terry Reed, in his book,
*Compromised*, telling how he flew CIA dope into the airport at
Mena, Arkansas, also mentions a mysterious 50 million dollars.
Other senior federal sources contend part of the 50 million
dollars was funneled to the Grand Cayman Islands, with the
reported help of Fuji Bank, and then, on to Switzerland. A Swiss
bank reportedly has part of the money, mixed in with other
illicit funds gathered for Clinton, part of it reportedly dope
loot, under the code name "Chelsea Jefferson" -- "Chelsea" being
the name of Clinton's daughter, and "Jefferson" being Bill's
middle name.
In the Andreuccetti cases, the details of Hillary's crony
Gierum's confession are a matter of court record. Gierum was
served a copy and he did not dispute the same.
RTC investigators have known about the 50 million dollar fund
secretly disappearing and secretly transferred to Little Rock, to
cover up the reported Clinton embezzlement. One RTC senior
investigation specialist was looking too deep into the matter:
Jon Parnell Walker. He was "suicided", that is, murdered, by
being thrown off a building in Arlington, Virginia. His friends,
family, and co-workers all agree on one fact: Walker was not
depressed; maybe just impulsive. In any case, Walker's demise was
to show other RTC people it is unhealthy to look into such things
as the 50 million dollar mystery.
Another mess involving Hillary and Foster involves the Chicago
operation of RTC. For several years, RTC's major outside
attorneys were the Chicago-based firm of Hopkins & Sutter. So
important was the law firm, RTC's offices were actually *inside*
Hopkin's Chicago office. Hopkins & Sutter, for RTC, arranged for
two members of a distant law firm, namely Hillary Rodham Clinton
and Vincent Foster, jr., of the Rose Law Firm of Little Rock, to
work the clean-up details of a defunct savings and loan of a west
suburb of Chicago. The S&L, owned by former Illinois Governor Dan
Walker, sr., went under in part because of corrupt bond deals
done with the Clinton business crony, Dan Lasater. Part of the
fall-out resulted in Dan Walker, sr., going to prison.
Hillary and Foster did a cover up job. And, is it just another
coincidence that Hopkins & Sutter partner, Jay Steinberg, is also
the bankruptcy trustee in the Andreuccetti Affair; Steinberg
himself reportedly involved in the mysterious 50 million dollar
transfer to Little Rock?
Hillary and her law partner Foster were also reportedly
implicated in arranging the transfer of illicit funds resulting
from the cocaine shipments by CIA pilots into Mena. Here is how
it reportedly worked:
1. The dope loot was washed through the Arkansas Development
Finance Authority [ADFA], a state creature originated by Bill
Clinton as Governor.
2. From there, the dope funds were transferred, in part, to
Arkansas banks and bond brokers who transferred the loot to
Garfield Ridge Trust & Savings Bank of Chicago. That is a small,
closely-held bank; the owners include:
*** Dan Rostenkowski, owner for more than 20 years of the bank;
for more than 30 years a Congressman; now a scandalized
former Congressman;
*** Dan Shannon, once board chairman of that bank; he and his
family closely linked to the illicit financial operations
of Mayor Richard J. Daley, who ran Chicago City Hall for
21 years, and his son Richie, Chicago mayor since 1989;
*** And, the most important owner, reportedly, as to this
context, Hugh Rodham, Hillary's brother who went to law
school with Gierum and is the White House connection.
Federal investigators contend they have been investigating the
Garfield Ridge Bank for the last 2-and-a-half years, as to the
dope money trail from Arkansas.
>From that bank, the dope loot was reportedly transferred, in
part, to the Chicago Mercantile Exchange which also helped cover
up Hillary's mysterious 100 thousand dollar windfall on commodity
speculations. Several traders on the "Merc", although contending
they are not personally involved, admitted to this writer that
they expect a horrendous scandal because of the washing on the
"Merc" of Mena dope money.
>From the "Merc", the dope loot, in turn, was reportedly washed
through offshore accounts, reportedly, again, by Fuji Bank, for
the benefit of the Clintons.
Some of the Arkansas dope loot was disguised as fraudulent or
non-existent "loans" of the U.S. Small Business Administration
[SBA]. Although the Chicago regional office of SBA does not
include Arkansas, the funds were washed through Chicago. Is it
just another coincidence that White House crony John E. Gierum
has also been senior litigation attorney for the Small Business
Administration?
As more and more details pile up, you can see why Gierum's
undisputed confession takes on such significance.
What were some of the purposes of the dope money? Some 18
sizeable businesses have reportedly been financed this way,
including, reportedly, Tyson Foods, J.B. Hunt Trucking, and Wal-
Mart. We understand that Wal-Mart officials vigorously deny dope
funds played any part in the spreading out of their Arkansas-
based firm, nationwide. Perhaps someone never told them.
State and federal law enforcement authorities contend that Tyson
Foods and Don Tyson, the boss until recently, have long been
implicated in dope trafficking. Is Don Tyson, who stepped down as
head of the firm, evading a federal grand jury subpoena by way of
his extended vacation to the Cayman Islands? Some think so.
Then there is the circumstance of San Jacinto Savings & Loan,
once located in a Texas town with the same name. Federal
investigators contend somewhere between 15 and 150 million
dollars disappeared, by way of non-existent home loans to
Arkansas, and that Hillary is involved. A senior federal bank
investigator, returning from his work in Texas, said cryptically,
"Hillary is going to prison."
Unanswered questions:
1. Did Bill and Hillary Clinton benefit from all the apparent
embezzlement of savings & loan and other funds?
2. Did they only partly benefit personally?
3. Were they, either together, or each in a different project,
fronting for CIA covert fund activities, such as at Mena?
4. Is the really big secret about all this -- Mena, Little Rock,
Chicago, Atlanta -- that the illicit activities of the Clintons
overlapped the covert and illicit doings of George Bush and Ollie
North? And that this is what is causing both Democrats and
Republicans to be hung up, not wanting to really finger the
Clinton White House?
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OKC BOMBING: UPDATE
===================
David Hall, general manager and owner of KPOC-TV, Ponca City,
Oklahoma, was the guest on *Radio Free America* (5.065 MHz, 9 pm
cst, mon-fri) this evening, June 6, 1995. Ponca City is about 90
miles from Oklahoma City and KPOC was able to have a television
crew at the Murrah Building, site of the tragic April 19th
bombing, by about 10:45 a.m. that same day.
According to Hall, the authorities at first stated that they had
a video showing what turned out to be Timothy McVeigh and 1 other
getting into a brown Ford pick-up truck the day of the blast.
Hall says KPOC has a taped interview of authorities stating this.
Also, according to Hall, an All Points Bulletin (APB) went out
that morning for a late model, brown Ford pick-up. Hall stated
that he has an audio tape of the APB but that when he asked
authorities about it, the authorities denied that there was any
such APB. Hall adds that he then played his audio tape of the
APB, and that the authorities then switched their subsequent
statements on the matter to "No comment".
The OKC bombing took place on Wednesday, April 19th, yet there is
discrepancy and disagreement as to when McVeigh was finally
arrested. Officially, McVeigh was arrested at about 10:20 a.m. on
April 19th, about 80 or so minutes after "the" bomb went off.
Officially, McVeigh was speeding on Interstate 35, travelling at
85 m.p.h. in a Mercury(?) (*not* a Ford pick-up) with no license
plates. He reportedly was carrying a loaded gun in a shoulder
holster. Supposedly, when McVeigh was pulled over, he immediately
gave himself up, saying that he had a loaded handgun under his
jacket -- this last based in part on arresting officer Charlie
Hangar(?) who arrested McVeigh at that time but who since has
clammed up and is not talking. *BUT*, Hall states that McVeigh's
arrest actually appears to have occurred on Friday, April 21, at
about 1:30 pm.
There is doubt as to how McVeigh could have made it to where he
was *officially* arrested in so little time; i.e. how could he
have travelled so far to where he supposedly was arrested, just
80 minutes or so after the OKC bomb blast.
Hall raised the question of finances: how could McVeigh, whose
work records show him as having worked just 25 hours at minimum
wage during the previous month, have come up with what Hall
calculates as at least $10,000 needed to carry off the supposed
"fertilizer bombing" of the Murrah Building? Where did McVeigh
get the money? Hall says he thinks he knows the source of
McVeigh's alleged funding, but he doesn't wish to go public with
that information at this time.
Were ATF personnel present in the Murrah Building at the time of
the blast? It appears not. ATF says 5 agents were killed, *but*
one ATF agent has informed Hall that no ATF were present. One
secretary was there, but she, reportedly, was not hurt. The 5
agents who are supposed to have been killed were, Hall says, up
all night on surveillance and went home that morning at about 6
a.m.
Seismograms indicate 2 explosions. It appears increasingly
doubtful that the second seismographic "event" was concrete
falling, a "sonic boom", et cetera. At the time of the final
demolition of the building toward the end of May, the much
greater amount of falling concrete did not affect the
seismograph.
Because KPOC was on the scene early, they have video of an OKC
Fire Dept. spokesman reporting 2 undetonated bombs and a rocket
launcher as having been found. But since those initial reports,
"mum's the word".
Hall has problems with the stories being put out by the FBI. For
one, he has doubts that either of the Nichols brothers were
involved. He thinks, unless new evidence appears and/or is
fabricated, that neither Nichols brother will be indicted.
Neither Nichols is, at this time, seriously linked to the
bombing. Hall believes that McVeigh *was* involved, but that he
is basically a "patsy". I would add that they may try to put
McVeigh on ice by somehow getting him to be found "crazy"; that
way, no trial, no fair and open public inquiry, and they can say
that the case has been more or less "solved".
Hall and *Radio Free America* host Tom Valentine pooh-pooh the
Debra von Trapp thesis of the bombing having been committed by
Japan in retaliation for the March 20th gas attack in a Japanese
subway. Valentine speculates that von Trapp may have been
deliberately handed disinformation so as to confuse the case. I
don't buy that: why are *The Spotlight* and *Radio Free America*,
normally so courageous, shying away from the possible Japanese
connection?
Look for a video entitled (tentatively) "The Bombing", available
by calling 1-800-474-2861, to be released in about 6 weeks.
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HISTORY OF THE GREAT AMERICAN FORTUNES
By Gustavus Myers
(Condensed, from chapter 4)
The few who could center in themselves, by grace of Government,
the banking and manipulation of the people's money and the
restricting or inflating of money issues, were immediately vested
with an extraordinary power. It was a sovereign power at once
coercive and proscriptive, and a mighty instrument for
transferring the produce of the many to a small and exclusive
coterie. The banker became the master of the master. Sparsely
organized and wholly unprotected, the worker was in the complete
power of the trader, manufacturer and landowner; in turn, such of
these divisions of the propertied class as were not themselves
sharers in the ownership of banks were at the mercy of the
banking institutions.
At any time upon some pretext or other, the banks could
arbitrarily refuse the latter class credit or accomodation, or
harass its victims in other ways equally as destructive. As
business was largely done in expectations of payment, in other
words, on credit, as it is now, this was a serious, often a
desperate, blow to the lagging or embarrassed brothers in trade.
Banks were virtually empowered by law to ruin or enrich any
individual or set of individuals. As the banks were then founded
and owned by men who were themselves traders or landholders, this
power was crushingly used against competitors. Armed with the
strong power of law, the banks overawed the mercantile world,
thrived on the industry, misfortune or ruin of others, and swayed
politics and elections. The bank men loaned money to themselves
at an absurdly low rate of interest. But for loans of money to
all others they demanded a high rate of interest which, in
periods of commercial distress, overwhelmed the borrowers.
Nominally banks were restricted to a certain standard rate of
interest; but by various subterfuges they easily evaded these
provisions and exacted usurious rates.
-+- Banks And Their Power -+-
These, however, were far from being the worst features. The most
innocent of their great privileges was that of playing fast and
loose with the money confidingly entrusted to their care by a
swarm of depositors who either worked for it, or for the matter
of that, often stole it; bankers, like pawnbrokers, ask no
questions. The most remarkable of their vested powers was that of
manufacturing money. The industrial manufacturer could not make
goods unless he had the plant, the raw material and the labor.
But the banker, somewhat like the faded alchemists, could
transmute airy nothing into bank-note money, and then, by law,
force its acceptance. The lone trader or landholder unsupported
by a partnership with law could not fabricate money. But let
trader and landholder band in a company, incorporate, then
persuade, wheedle or bribe a certain entity called a legislature
to grant them a certain bit of paper styled a charter, and lo!
they were instantly transformed into money manufacturers.
-+- A Mandate To Prey -+-
The simple mandate of law was sufficient authorization for them
to prey upon the whole world outside of their charmed circle.
With this scrap of paper they could go forth on the highways of
commerce and over the farms and drag in, by the devious,
absorbent processes of the banking system, a great part of the
wealth created by the actual producers. As it was with taxation,
so was it with the burdens of this system; they fell largely upon
the worker, whether in the shop or on the farm. When the business
man and the landowner were compelled to pay exorbitant rates of
interest they but apparently had to meet the demands. What these
classes really did was to throw the whole of these extra
impositions upon the working class in the form of increased
prices for necessaries and merchandise and in augmented rents.
But how were these State or Government authorizations, called
charters, to be obtained? Did not the Federal Constitution
prohibit States from giving the right to banks to issue money?
Were not private money factories specifically barred by that
clause of the Constitution which declared that no State "shall
coin money, emit bills of credit, or make anything but gold or
silver a tender in payment of debts?"
Here, again, the power of class domination of Government came
into compelling effect. The onward sweep of the trading class was
not to be balked by such a trifling obstacle as a Constitutional
provision. At all times when the Constitution has stood in the
way of commercial aims it has been abrogated, not by repeal nor
violent overthrow, but by the effective expedient of judicial
interpretation. The trading class demanded State created banks
with power of issuing money; and, as the courts have invariably
in the long run responded to the interests and decrees of the
dominant class, a decision was quickly forthcoming in this case
to the effect that "bills of credit" were not meant to cover
banknotes. This was a new and surprising construction; but
judicial decision and precedent made it virtually law, and law a
thousandfold more binding than any Constitutional insertion.
-+- Courts And Constitution -+-
The trading class had already learned the importance of the
principle that while it was essential to control lawmaking
bodies, it was imperative to have as their auxiliary the bodies
that interpreted law. To a large extent the United States since
then has lived not under legislative-made law, but under a purely
separate and extraneous form of law which has superseded the
legislature product, namely, court law. Although nowhere in the
United States Constitution is there even the suggestion that
courts shall make law, yet this past century {1} and more they
have been gradually building up a formidable code of
interpretations which substantially ranks as the most commanding
kind of law. And these interpretations have, on the whole,
consistently followed, and kept pace with, the changing interests
of the dominant class, whether traders, slaveholders, or the
present trusts. {2}.
This decision of the august courts opened the way for the
greatest orgy of corruption and the most stupendous frauds. In
New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland, and
other States a continuous rush to get bank charters ensued. Most
of the legislatures were composed of men who, while perhaps, not
innately corrupt, were easily seduced by the corrupt temptations
held out by the traders. Among the masses of workers, any attempt
to vest the rich with new privileges was received with the
bitterest resentment. But the legislatures were approachable;
some members who were put there by the rich families needed only
the word as to how they should vote, while others, representing
both urban and rural communities, were swayed by bribes. By one
means or another the traders and landholders forced the various
legislatures into doing what was wanted.
Omitting the records of other States, a few salient facts as to
what took place in New York State will suffice to give a clear
idea of some of the methods of the trading class in pressing
forward their conquests, in hurling aside every impediment,
whether public opinion or law, and in creating new laws which
satisfied their plans. If forethought, an unswerving aim and
singleness of execution mean anything, then there was something
sternly impressive in the way in which this rising capitalist
class went forward to snatch what it sought. There was no
hesitation, nor were there any scruples as to niceties of
methods; the end in view was all that counted; so long as that
was attained, the means used were considered paltry side-issues.
And, indeed, here lies the great distinction of action between
the world-old propertied classes and the contending proletariat;
for whereas the one have always campaigned irrespective of law
and particularly by bribery, intimidation, repression and force,
the working class has had to confine its movement strictly to the
narrow range of laws which were expressly prepared against it and
the slightest violation of which has called forth the summary
vengeance of a society ruled actually, if not theoretically, by
the very propertied classes which set at defiance all law.
[...to be continued...]
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{1} "...this past century..." Myers is writing circa 1911.
{2} "...the present trusts." i.e., monopolies.
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HISTORY OF THE GREAT AMERICAN FORTUNES
By Gustavus Myers
(Condensed, from chapter 4)
[...continued...]
-+- The Banking Frauds Begin -+-
The States began a course of reeling out bank charters. By 1799
New York City had one bank, the Bank of New York; this admixed
the terrorism of trade and politics so overtly that presently an
opposition application for a charter was made. This solitary bank
was run by some of the old landowning families who fully
understood the danger involved in the triumph of the democratic
ideas represented by Jefferson; a danger far overestimated,
however, since win as democratic principles did, the propertied
class continued its victorious march, for the simple reason that
property was able to divert manhood suffrage to its own account,
and to aggrandize itself still further on the ruins of every
subsequent similar reform expedient. What the agitated masses,
for the most part, of that period could not comprehend was that
they who hold the possession of the economic resources will
indubitably sway the politics of a country, until such time as
the proletariat, no longer divided but thoroughly conscious,
organized, and aggressive, will avail itself of its majority vote
to transfer the powers of government to itself. The Bank of New
York injected itself virulently into politics and fought the
spread of democratic ideas with sordid but effective weapons. If
a merchant dared support what it denounced as heretical
doctrines, the bank at once blacklisted him by rejecting his
notes when he needed cash most.
It was now that Aaron Burr, that adroit leader of the opposition
party, stepped in. Seconded or instigated by certain traders, he
set out to get one of those useful and invaluable bank charters
for his backers. The explanation of how he accomplished the act
is thus given: Taking advantage of the epidemic of yellow fever
then desolating New York City, he, with much preliminary of
philanthropic motives, introduced a bill for the apparent
beneficent purpose of diminishing the future possibility of the
disease by incorporating a company, called the Manhattan Company,
to supply pure, wholesome water. Supposing that the charter
granted nothing more than this, the explanation goes on, the
Legislature passed the bill, and was most painfully surprised and
shocked when the fact came out that the measure had been so
deftly drawn, that it, in fact, granted an unlimited charter,
conferring banking powers on the company. {3}.
This explanation is probably shallow and deficient. It is much
more likely that bribery was resorted to, considering the fact
that the granting of every successive bank charter was invariably
accompanied by bribery. Six years later the Mercantile Bank
received a charter for a thirteen years' period -- a charter
which, it was openly charged by certain members of the Assembly,
was secured by bribery. These charges were substantially proved
by the testimony before a legislative investigating committee.
{4}. In 1811 the Mechanics' Bank was chartered with a time limit
under circumstances indicating bribery.
Indeed, so often was bribing done and so pronounced were charges
of corruption at frequent sessions of the Legislature, that in
1812, the Assembly, in an heroic spasm of impressive virtue,
passed a resolution compelling each member to pledge himself that
he had neither taken, nor would take, "any reward or profit,
direct or indirect, for any vote on any measure." This resolution
was palpably intended to blind the public; for, in that identical
year, the Bank of America received a charter amid charges of
flagrant corruption. One Assemblyman declared under oath that he
had been offered the sum of $500, "besides a handsome present for
his vote." All of the banks, except the Manhattan, had limited
charters; measures for the renewal of these were practically all
put through by bribery. In fact, many of the great landed
fortunes were inseparably associated with the frauds of the
banking system; money from land was used to bribe legislatures,
and money made from the banks was employed in buying more land.
Year after year the bribery went on industriously, without
cessation.
-+- Bribery A Crime In Name Only -+-
Were the bribers ever punished, their illicitly gotten charters
declared forfeited, and themselves placed under the ban of
virtuous society? Far, very far, from it! The men who did the
bribing were of the very pinnacle of social power, elegance and
position, or quickly leaped to that height by reason of their
wealth. The ancestors of some of the most conspicuous multi-
millionaire families of the present day were deeply involved in
the perpetration of all of those continuous frauds and crimes.
The men who waded on to wealth through the muck of base practices
and by means of crimes a millionfold more insidious and dangerous
than the offense of the convict, were not only honored as leading
citizens, but they became the extolled and unquestioned dictators
of that supreme trading society which made modes, customs and
laws.
It was by aid of the banking system that the trading class was
greatly enabled to manipulate the existing and potential
resources of the country and to extend valuable favors to
themselves. For many years the banks, especially in New York
State, were empowered by law to issue paper money to the extent
of three times the amount of their capital. The actual specie
[money in coin] was seized hold of by the shippers, and either
hoarded, or exported in quantities to Asia or Europe which, of
course, would not handle paper money. By 1819 the banks in New
York had issued $12,500,000 and the total amount of specie to
redeem this fiat stuff amounted to only $2,000,000. These
banknotes were nothing more or less than irresponsible promises
to pay. What became of them?
-+- What The Workers Got As Wages -+-
What, indeed, became of them? They were imposed upon the working
class as payment for labor. Although these banknotes were subject
to constant depreciation, the worker had to accept them as though
they were full value. But when the worker went to buy provisions
or pay rent, he was compelled to pay one-third, and often one-
half, as much as the value represented by those banknotes.
Sometimes, in crises, he could not get them cashed at all; they
became pitiful souvenirs in his hands. Those in control of the
banks had, with no expenditure, possessed themselves of a
considerable part of the resources of the country and had made
the worker yield up twice and three times as much of the produce
of his labor as he had to give before the system was started.
[...to be continued...]
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{3} Hammond's "Political History of the State of New York."
I:129-130.
{4} Journal of the [New York] Senate and Assembly, 1803(?):
351(?) and 399.
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HISTORY OF THE GREAT AMERICAN FORTUNES
By Gustavus Myers
(Condensed, from chapter 4)
[...continued...]
The large amount of paper money, without any basis of value
whatever, was put out at a heavy rate of interest. When the
merchant paid his interest, he charged it up as extra cost on his
wares; and when the worker came to buy these same wares which he
or some fellow-worker had made, he was charged a high price which
included three things all thrown upon him: rent, interest and
profit. The banks indirectly sucked in a large portion of these
three factors. And so thoroughly did the banks control
legislation that they were not content with the power of issuing
spurious paper money; they demanded, and got through, an act
exempting bank stock from taxation.
Thus year after year this system went on, beggaring great numbers
of people, enriching the owners of the banks and virtually giving
them a life and death power over the worker, the farmer and the
floundering, struggling small business man alike. The laws were
but slightly altered. "The great profits of the banks," reported
a New York Senate Committee on banks and insurance in 1834,
"arise from their issues. It is this privilege which enables
them, in fact, to coin money, to substitute their evidences of
debt for a metallic currency and to loan more than their actual
capitals. A bank of $100,000 capital is permitted to loan
$250,000; and thus receive an interest on twice and a half the
amount actually invested."
-+- The Workingmen's Party Protest -+-
It cannot be said that all of the workingmen were apathetic, or
that some did not see through the fraud of the system. They had
good reason for the deepest indignation and exasperation. The
terrible injustices piled upon them from every quarter -- the low
wages that they were forced to accept, often in depreciated or
worthless banknotes, the continually increasing exactions of the
landlords, the high prices squeezed out of them by monopolies,
the arbitrary discriminations of law -- these were not without
their effect. The Workingmen's Party, formed in 1829 in New York
City, was the first and most ominous of these proletarian
uprisings. Its resolutions read like a proletarian Declaration of
Independence, and would unquestionably have resulted in the most
momentous agitation, had it not been that it was smothered by its
leaders, and also because the slavery issue long obscured purely
economic questions. "Resolved," ran its resolutions adopted at
Military Hall, Oct. 19, 1829,
in the opinion of this meeting, that the first appropriation
of the soil of the State to private and exclusive possession
was eminently and barbarously unjust. That it was
substantially feudal in its character, inasmuch as those who
received enormous and unequal possessions were *lords* and
those who received little or nothing were *vassals*. That
hereditary transmission of wealth on the one hand and poverty
on the other, has brought down to the present generation all
the evils of the feudal system, and that, in our opinion, is
the prime source of all our calamities.
-+- Radicalism Versus Respectability -+-
The "Courier and Enquirer," owned by Webb and Noah, in the pay of
the United States Bank, burst out into savage invective. It held
the Workingmen's Party up to opprobrium as an infidel crowd,
hostile to the morals and the institutions of society, and to the
rights of property. Nevertheless the Workingmen's Party proceeded
with an enthusiastic, almost ecstatic, campaign and polled 6,000
votes, a very considerable number compared to the whole number of
voters at the time.
By 1831, however, it had gone out of existence. The reason was
that it allowed itself to be betrayed by the supineness,
incompetence, and as some said, the treachery, of its leaders,
who were content to accept from a Legislature controlled by the
propertied interests various mollifying sops which slightly
altered certain laws, but which in no great degree redounded to
the benefit of the working class. For a few bits of counterfeit,
this splendid proletarian uprising, glowing with energy,
enthusiasm and hope, allowed itself to be snuffed out of
existence.
-+- The Panic of 1837 -+-
Passing over the Equal Rights movement in 1834 which was a
diluted revival of the Workingmen's Party, and which, also, was
turned into sterility by the treachery of its leaders, we arrive
at the panic of 1837.
The panic of 1837 was one of those periodic financial and
industrial convulsions resulting from the chaos of capitalist
administration. No sooner had it commenced, than the banks
refused to pay out any money, other than their worthless notes.
For thirty-three years they had not only enjoyed immense
privileges, but they had used the powers of Government to insure
themselves a monopoly of the business of manufacturing money. In
1804 the Legislature of New York State had passed an
extraordinary law, called the restraining act. This prohibited,
under severe penalties, all associations and individuals not only
from issuing notes, but "from receiving deposits, making
discounts or transacting any other business which incorporated
banks may or do transact." Thus the law not only legitimatized
the manufacture of worthless money, but guaranteed a few banks a
monopoly of that manufacture. Another restraining act was passed
in 1818. The banks were invested with the sovereign privilege of
depreciating the currency at their discretion, and were
authorized to levy an annual tax upon the country, nearly
equivalent to the interest on $200,000,000 of deposits and
circulation. On top of these acts, the Legislature passed various
acts compelling the public authorities in New York City to
deposit public money with the Manhattan Company. This company,
although, as we have seen, expressly chartered to supply pure
water to the city of New York, utterly failed to do so; at one
stage the city tried to have its charter revoked on the ground of
failure to carry out its chartered function, but the courts
decided in the company's favor.
At the outbreak of the panic of 1837, the New York banks held
more than $5,500,000 of public money. When called upon to pay
only about a million of that sum, or the premium on it, they
refused. But far worse was the experience of the general public.
When they frantically besieged the banks for their money, the
bank officials filled the banks with heavily armed guards and
plug-uglies {5} with orders to fire on the crowd in case a rush
was attempted.
In every State conditions were the same. In May, 1837, not less
than eight hundred banks in the United States suspended payment,
refusing a single dollar to the Government whose deposits of
$30,000,000 they held, and to the people in general who held
$120,000,000 of their notes. No specie whatever was in
circulation.
-+- The Resulting Widespread Destitution -+-
Now the storm broke. Everywhere was impoverishment, ruination and
beggary. Every bank official in New York City was subject to
arrest for the most serious frauds and other crimes, but the
authorities took no action. On the contrary, so complete was the
dominance of the banks over Government that they hurriedly got
the Legislature to pass an act practically authorizing a
suspension of specie payments. The consequences were appalling.
New York City was filled with the homeless and unemployed. In the
early part of 1838 one-third of all the persons in New York City
who subsisted by manual labor, were wholly or substantially
without employment. Not less than 10,000 persons were in utter
poverty.
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{5} "...plug-uglies..." plug-ugly: thug, tough; esp: one hired to
intimidate.
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GLOBAL 2000: EARTH FIRST! FOR THE "MASTER RACE"
My transcript of a recent episode of a public access show,
originating in Chicago, called "Broadsides". This episode
featured independent researcher Sherman Skolnick, and author Mark
Sato. Note that in the following I neither necessarily agree nor
disagree with some or all of the views expressed.
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
[Sounds of Tchaikovsky's "1812 Overture"]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Good evening. Welcome to our program, "Broadsides". I'm Sherman
Skolnick. Our regular moderator, Cliff Kelley, is late. He may
join us before we're finished tonight.
And I'm joined by our regular panelist, Mark Sato, an author and
researcher.
And tonight, our program is about "Global 2000: Earth First! for
the 'Master Race'".
Uh... Do I gather, Mark, that this is a program that sort of
follows up, that says America and others are following up on
Hitler?
Well, you explain.
MARK SATO:
Well first of all, if the Earth First!, which is a movement afoot
these days, the push of which is to control population of the
earth. Because, according to the "Earth Firsters", there are too
many people on the earth, and the alleged "carrying capacity" of
the earth is being pushed beyond its limits. And therefore, a lot
of people have to "leave" the planet, somehow, in order for there
to be living space for whoever is left! Presumably, a "master
race". And of course, the Nazis had a term for it, it's a German
term, *lebensraum* -- which means "living space"! So...
SKOLNICK:
Which is a term that *did* apply to Germany because it was a
small country with a large, with a sizeable population.
SATO:
Well... It wasn't *that* sizeable.
But anyway, they *thought* they were running out of room,
because, you know, the "master race" needs lots of bunnies and
deer to make them feel better. And so, if you have "too many"
people, the bunnies and deer run away, and the "master race", the
people of the "master race" feel very sad!
And so that's one of the problems that is with us today in the
Earth First! movement, which is, there are too many people on
this planet. And we gotta get rid of some of 'em.
SKOLNICK:
Well, over the years, wars have rid the planet of people. I mean,
I don't know if they went into the ground or left the planet, but
they're gone! Every generation, the young people feel they're
immortal and they start agitating. And the ultra-rich suddenly
decide they want to have a quarrel with the ultra-rich, the
aristocracy, of some other country. And before you know it, they
play martial music, they wave the flag, and before you know,
they're all marching and they're off on the troop trains. And
then the body bags come back. And so we're rid of a whole... I
mean, don't these wars arrange sort of "naturally" or otherwise
for the "elbow room" thing -- *lebensraum*?
SATO:
Sure they do! And that's part of the program -- or maybe I should
say the "pogrom" -- of the "master race" that we have today.
Which is that part of their arsenal is, is war! They *do* use
that.
SKOLNICK:
Well what are ya talkin' about?
SATO:
Well let's, let's go...
SKOLNICK:
You're not talkin' about the common people. You're talking about
the aristocracy, right?
SATO:
Well, people who consider themselves "the aristocracy". Sure.
SKOLNICK:
Well *we* think they're the aristocracy. What do they think?
SATO:
Well... yeah. Well they think...
SKOLNICK:
They're the ruling elite or...
SATO:
..Well they've got no qualms about considering themselves "the
elite" and "above everybody else"...
SKOLNICK:
Well what are we talkin' about? The Rockefellers, the Marshall
Fields, the Rothschilds...
SATO:
Right. At this point in time, sure. All the super-rich people of
the earth who feel that their wealth, or their lineage, or
whatever it is, entitles them to...
SKOLNICK:
Have they figured out how many people the planet can hold? And
what happens if the planet has too many people?
SATO:
Well that's...
SKOLNICK:
..sail off into space, being too heavy or something?
SATO:
They've already "figured out" how many people the planet can
hold. And they claim we've gone beyond the limit!
SKOLNICK:
Well what's the limit?
SATO:
We've gone *beyond* the limit! Well, that gets into a topic
that's a little bit, a little bit more advanced.
But first, what I'd *like* to talk about is, basically, that this
idea has been around for a long time. And the man for whom all
the population control... It's kind of the "god" of the
population control...
SKOLNICK:
The godfather!
SATO:
The godfather of the population control people is this guy named
Malthus. And that is where the term, "Malthusian" came from,
"Malthusianism".
And what Mister... Uh, Reverend, actually, Malthus was, was an
agent of the British East India Company. And what he did was he
spread the gospel of the British aristocracy that there were too
many people on the earth, and therefore...
SKOLNICK:
How long ago was this?
SATO:
This was back in the late 1800s [CN -- Sato possibly means "late
18th century"; Malthus lived from 1766 to 1834.], that Mr.
Malthus was spreading his particular poisonous gospel. And one of
the things I'd like to really talk about [that] he said, which
kind of, uh they typify his philosophy: "All children who are
born, *beyond* what would be required to keep up the population
to a desired level, must necessarily perish, unless room be made
for them by the death of grown persons. If we dread the too
frequent visitation of the horrid form of famine, we should
assiduously encourage the other forms of destruction." (Such as
war, and disease, and things of that nature.)
And then he said, "In our towns," (that is, in places where there
are a lot of people gathered), "we should court the return of the
plague." (The bubonic plague, he means.) "But above all, we
should..."
SKOLNICK:
Wait a minute! Are you reading from some late-night comedy show?
SATO:
This is his, this is his philosophy! That he wanted...
SKOLNICK:
He wanted the bubonic plague to come back!?
SATO:
Right. There are too many people. Obviously, we've gotta get rid
of 'em quickly. And one of the most efficient ways of doing that
was through the bubonic plague. That was their most recent
experience with getting rid of a lot of people in a hurry.
[Continues reading:] "...but above all, we should reprobate
specific remedies for ravaging diseases...." (That is, we should
no longer give people medicine! In other words, we should not try
to cure them when they're sick, or when they have problems.)
"...and restrain those benevolent but much-mistaken men who have
thought they are doing a service to mankind by protecting schemes
for the total extirpation of particular disorders."
In other words, all the research that's being done to eliminate
disease from the earth is foolish, in Reverend Malthus'...
SKOLNICK:
You know, I think, I begin to think this Malthus, the ghost of
Malthus are still around. Because I've talked to some doctors who
claim that when the doctors' patients get over 65, medicare, in
so many words, says, "Don't send us in the bills on this thing!"
In so many words, like Malthus, "Let 'em 'croak'! I mean, get rid
of 'em!" The minute they get 65.
SATO:
Well that's kind of...
SKOLNICK:
So in other words, they've got a few "Reverend Malthuses" in
medicare and in some of the...
SATO:
Well that's the idea behind euthanasia, the euthanasia movement.
People are too old. You know, have you ever seen the movie,
"Solyent Green" where they turned all the old people who are a
little "too old" into little green chips for, for food. 'Cause
the earth was running out of food, obviously the...
SKOLNICK:
What happened to this guy Malthus? Did someone decide that he was
a surplus and got rid of him? [laughs] That would have been
poetic justice!
SATO:
Well, unfortunately, he spawned a whole series of little "Junior
Malthuses" who are, who have carried on his tradition! And one of
the most famous of those, of course, was Adolph Hitler. [CN --
But who was Hitler fronting for?] Whose ideas of eugenics, that
is, "racial hygiene", were what caused him to decide that Europe
should be rid of, of the Jews and a lot of other people that were
considered "undesireables" by the...
SKOLNICK:
..the gypsies, physical so-called "defects", uh cripples and so
on. He wanted to get rid of all of 'em.
Uh some authors contend that the Harriman family, Averill
Harriman, whose name "popped up" over a series of decades, was in
favor of euthanasia.
SATO:
That is correct. As a matter of fact, the Harrimans were part of
a group of bankers who sponsored the 1932 International Eugenics
Conference in New York. And at that conference, a lot of the
ideas of Malthus -- and some more advanced ideas on how to get
rid of people, quickly, from the face of the earth -- were
promoted.
SKOLNICK:
But weren't the idea behind eugenics supposedly to have more (I
don't know what to call it), a "master race", more superior
people, by certain types of breeding? In other words, eugenics
and euthanasia weren't exactly synonymous. In other words,
through eugenics they wanted, supposedly, more clever people...
SATO:
Well you would wipe out the "undesireable" elements in the so-
called "gene pool". The "gene pool" being a representation of all
the millions and billions of different kinds of genes that people
carry around with them on the earth today.
SKOLNICK:
Some... I don't know what the professional people are that --
what are they? "Geneologists"? I don't know what... You probably
know what the ones that study that are called.
SATO:
Geneticists.
SKOLNICK:
Geneticists?
SATO:
Right.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
O.K. Haven't some in that field [genetics], have said that the
different races are better off to have a larger [gene] pool,
because the, for example the inbreeding of the British royal
family has caused a lot of problems that not always gets
published. That insanity grows in their family and the present
royal family...
MARK SATO:
Quite true. Quite true, yes.
SKOLNICK:
..has got some of their members "tucked away" someplace. And it
was only one of the grocery magazines that pointed out that Queen
Elizabeth (whatever her name is, over there) has got two cousins
who uh, she insisted that they change their name in the "nut
house" because... In other words, insanity goes from inbreeding.
So having a large pool of genes, in the view of some that know
about genetics, is actually better!
SATO:
Yes. That's true. But... Uh and these people are aware of that!
These...
SKOLNICK:
So why could they want to build a "master race"?
SATO:
Well, they... You see, they believe that despite the fact that
having a *variety* of genes in the gene pool is very good, they
still would like to get rid of a lot of people. Because there's
just "too many" people.
Now you mentioned the royal family. Let me give ya a quote from
Prince Phillip, who was the Duke of Edinburgh. And he favored
animals over people! And what he said was, "Every new acre
brought into cultivation" (that is, under farming) "means another
acre denied to wild species." In other words, he was against it.
He was against, he was against more farming. He wanted there to
be more wildlife, because he didn't like people. So...
SKOLNICK:
O.K. But the point is, though, Hitler and what he stood for was
promoting eugenics. In other words, he was more or less "pruning
out" people. And the ones he didn't want -- the Jews, the
gypsies, invalids, or whatever -- he sent 'em to concentration
camp. Those that could work, he worked 'em to death. And the
other ones died. And historical revisionists would have you
believe that they didn't die because they were gassed (although I
think that they were)... But in any case, we call that...
SATO:
They were just... No matter how they did it, they exterminated a
lot of people. They did do that.
SKOLNICK:
Yeah, right. In other words, millions of people disappeared.
But notice the problem here: the Catholic church promotes uh,
"full speed ahead" on population. Which, it "bugs" me in a way.
Because um, Pope John Paul I, according to the book by David
Yallop called *In God's Name*, John Paul I was gonna revise their
birth control opposition in that, to spawn children that you
cannot feed is itself a sin. And to that extent they were gonna
modify the Catholic church's program. Because you know, when the
Pope comes visiting to the western hemisphere, he travels through
all these heavily Catholic countries -- Mexico, Central America,
South America -- and in so many words he says, "Full speed
ahead." You know, "Manufacture as many children as you can!"
Because he's against, you know, birth control. And the result is,
that their only cash crop is *dope*. And so, I mean, nobody
candidly comes right out in front and says, "Well. Everything
south of the United States is based on dope." They don't grow
anything that's that worthwhile other than, you know, I mean
marijuana, the uh, and so on.
What about that? Is there some contradiction between what the
Pope is doing and what the eugenics people are doing? I mean
what, what's...
SATO:
Of course there's a dichotomy.
SKOLNICK:
Yeah, well what about it? What's a dichotomy?
SATO:
The division. In other words, on one side you have people who
want to get rid of most of the people on the face of the earth.
And on the other hand you have people who want there to be *more*
people on earth. And in the case of the Vatican, they would like
there to be more people...
SKOLNICK:
More Catholics!
SATO:
..because, it means more Catholics! More money in the plate!
SKOLNICK:
O.K. but notice: David [Yallop] -- His book came out in 1983 and
it seems to be well-documented. And he took the position that,
after 33 days, they poisoned John Paul I because of his policies.
And he [Yallop] proved that there *was* such a policy and that's
why they killed him [John Paul I]. Of course, the Michael Sindona
scandal, the Mafia and the Vatican Bank had somethin' to do with
the death of John Paul I. But the thesis of his book is that they
poisoned him after 33 days as the Pope because he wanted to
modify the uh, the birth control opposition of the Catholic
church.
Listen. The Catholic church is not noted for being the greatest,
clever people of the 20th century! I mean it was only up until
1806 that you could be thrown out of the church for alleging that
the earth was not flat.
SATO:
It's not?
SKOLNICK:
I mean... Well, all right. In other words, there *was* the flat
earth committee.
Now up 'til 1806, the Catholic church was the flat earth
committee. You could be expro... Not expropriated, but... What's
the word?
SATO:
Excommunicated.
SKOLNICK:
Excommunicated or re-communicated or *whatever*, for saying that
the world is round!
So in other words, there is a dichotomy. You're saying that
there's some that wanted to limit the population, and the others
wanted uncontrolled population.
SATO:
Right. Right. But the people who want to control population --
they just think that there's too many people and they're sucking
up all the earth's resources.
SKOLNICK:
And the Hitler movement was part of that?
SATO:
They were part of it.
Now. And of course, the whole idea was sponsored by the U.S. and
British bankers, the Harriman family being foremost. One of their
progeny, George Herbert Walker Bush, is *also* a population
control freak. Despite...
SKOLNICK:
Is he?
SATO:
Oh yeah. Despite... He's one of the leading promoters of
population control legislation...
SKOLNICK:
Well later in this program we're gonna discuss what *he* did to
"control" population. I mean, something bloody, brutal, and...
SATO:
But you know, getting back to the Nazis. Just in case people
think that the Nazis were *only* trying to get rid of what *they*
considered to be people who were infirm or less than "genetically
whole". A Berlin attorney named Ludwig Fluugen(sp?) said that
"great talent is associated with defects or weaknesses in other
organs. I call these persons, 'superiority afflicted'." In other
words, they're afflicted with superiority! Not with
*in*feriority.
SKOLNICK:
Well under Hitler's program, a lot of those that were hunchbacks
or cripples, whatever, would've been eliminated. And throughout
history, some of the great scientists were uh, "irregulars". In
other words (you know what I mean), they were either too short or
they limped or they had a hunchback. Or whatever. But under
Hitler...
SATO:
And in addition...
SKOLNICK:
Under Hitler's program they would've had only blonde, 6-foot high
people.
SATO:
But that wasn't really the only real problem, Sherman. The real
problem was that these people were *intellectually* superior, and
therefore, able to have great influence in the community. They
didn't want those people around, telling people, "Hey. These
Nazis are out of their minds!" *That* was one of the big
problems.
SKOLNICK:
So you're saying that the 6-foot high, blonde-haired, teutonic
German types, that were found dead on so many battlefields in the
Second World War, were not the intelligentsia, the very clever
types?
SATO:
Well they got rid of them at home! *Before* they ever got to the
battlefield. They had... Sherman, that's very common in many
dictatorships, where the dictator has to get rid of the
intelligentsia, because they're the only ones who can influence
the people against the dictatorship!
SKOLNICK:
All right, so what was Hitler's point? What was Hitler trying to
do: weed out the thing and make a "master race"?
SATO:
Well... Yeah.
SKOLNICK:
Well what... This is, this is gonna fall hard on some people:
isn't that the same point that the FBI does? The FBI had a
program, which was brought out...
SATO:
It's a "pogrom", Sherman.
SKOLNICK:
Yeah! It was brought out by an FBI agent named Freedman (maybe he
was the only Jew in the FBI), but he pointed out that his
supervisors have more or less reached the conclusion -- he
testified before Congress -- that blacks are "inferior" and
therefore, even if they get elected, they should be "framed",
removed from office by "frame ups", and if that didn't work, the
implication was to "knock 'em off"! Poison them, kill them.
So in other words, there are Nazi mentalities in the United
States.
SATO:
Yeah, that's getting a little ahead of us. Yeah. But that's
essentially correct.
SKOLNICK:
In other words, the [unclear] mentioned theory of the FBI higher-
ups is on this same Nazi principle, right? [Unclear] means like,
"neanderthal". In other words, higher-ups in the FBI...
SATO:
[Unclear]
SKOLNICK:
Yeah. In other words, the FBI theory is that the Afro-Americans
are "inferior", they're neanderthals, they don't belong here, and
they shouldn't be in office. And therefore, "frame" 'em, jail
'em, or if necessary, poison them.
SATO:
That's the same philosophy of...
SKOLNICK:
It's a Hitler philosophy!
SATO:
..of the Hitler philosophy, but *also* of the people who are
promoting population control today!
And to give you an example: after the Nazis kind of "went
away"...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well that's your theory that they went away.
SATO:
Well...
SKOLNICK:
I don't think they went away at all.
SATO:
Well, they were...
SKOLNICK:
I think they're still here!
SATO:
..they were, allegedly, defeated.
But, of course, they *didn't* go away, precisely because the
people who sponsored the idea of eugenics didn't go away.
SKOLNICK:
..a eugenics society in the United States promoting this?
SATO:
By and large, the idea of eugenics has floated over to the
environmental people.
SKOLNICK:
Really?
SATO:
Pollution control and...
SKOLNICK:
Pollution's about the same thing?
SATO:
Yeah. Pollution control means population control, because the
more people you have the more pollution you have, and the more
danger we all face because there's "too many" people on the face
of the earth!
SKOLNICK:
And the aristocracy, a few years ago, through one of their secret
society meetings -- the Bilderbergs or Trilateral Commission,
whatever -- say, "Hey. All you in the aristocracy! Promote
environmental. We gotta have..."
Where'd they have their conference? In Brazil or something? They
had some big conference: "Promote the Environment".
SATO:
Just recently they had the Cairo Conference.
SKOLNICK:
O.K. So, but what you're saying is, this is just another word for
eugenics,
SATO:
That's right.
SKOLNICK:
..to "weed out" what they feel are "inferior" people.
SATO:
Now most of the environmentalists are, consider themselves
liberal. And they would be horrified of this idea that you would
*pick* the, for the most part, the people of color to get rid of
because there's "too many" people on the face of the earth. But
that, by and large, is what they *really* are saying, despite
their perhaps, ignorance...
SKOLNICK:
Well they have the media on their side.
SATO:
..the real meaning of their movement.
SKOLNICK:
I mean, they have the media on their side. Because, I mean, who
do ya see as what I call "anchor faces", anchor people? "Blonde-
haired dummies", as I call 'em. With a few token Oriental-
Americans and a few... Like Linda Yu, over here, who's connected
with the Chinese royal family...
SATO:
Well they are indeed, Sherman, they are indeed tokens. Because
the modern science... I don't really wanna call it "science". But
the modern philosophy of eugenics is, was fathered by Bertrand
Russell.
SKOLNICK:
What about him?
SATO:
Well Bertrand Russell, who was a British (and I hesitate to use
the word "philosophy")...
SKOLNICK:
I thought he was for peace? That's the only time I heard of
Bertrand Russell, I heard he was...
SATO:
Well... Bertrand Russell was *for* peace -- as in, "rest in
peace" -- for most of the people of the earth. He said, "The
white population of the world will soon cease to increase. The
asiatic races will be longer, and the negroes still longer,
before their birth rate falls sufficiently to make their numbers
stable without help of war and pestilence." And of course, he
*did* mean to impose war and pestilence on the asians and the,
what he called "negroes". "Until that happens, the benefits aimed
at by socialism can only be partially realized." (He was a
socialist.) "And the less prolific races will have to defend
themselves" -- Wait a minute -- "will have to defend themselves
by methods which are disgusting, even if they are necessary."
SKOLNICK:
I... He either mis-used the term socialism, in applying to
himself... But there is a certain...
SATO:
Never mind, Sherman. That's a *whole* different thing. Let's not
get off on that tangent. Don't worry about... Don't worry about
Mr. Russell's mis-using the word, because he wants to mis-use the
entire planet! So don't worry about that little item.
SKOLNICK:
So, in other words, he was for "peace" from the standpoint of
"rest in peace". Well all right.
SATO:
Right. Now the progress of Mr. Russell's ideas wound up in a
report called "Global 2000".
SKOLNICK:
Which is the title of this show.
SATO:
Which is the title of this show. This big report, which was
authored under the auspices of the Jimmy Carter administration.
And of course, he is running around the world promoting the
ideals of Global 2000.
SKOLNICK:
I thought he was a born-again something.
SATO:
Well... That's what he says. But anyway...
SKOLNICK:
He's evidently not a born-again geneticist.
SATO:
..here comes the number you were looking for, Sherman. "Global
2000 proposes that the population of the earth be lowered to 2
billion." Now of course...
SKOLNICK:
By what means?
SATO:
Well they don't say, exactly. But they want to lower it [to] 2
billion by the year 2000! That's why the report's called "Global
2000". There's 5.6 billion people on the face of the planet right
now. Which means that they're gonna have to get rid of 3.6
billion people!
SKOLNICK:
Well there's two ways you can do it.
SATO:
In six years!
SKOLNICK:
Well, no. There's two ways: they can start a nuclear war which
endeavors to "knock off" a lot of people. I don't know where the
aristocracy is gonna go; they're gonna go off in a missile to the
moon or something.
SATO:
Well, Sherman...
[...contention for who will speak...]
Wait, wait. Before you go on! You shoot these things off, and
then let me get a chance to...
SKOLNICK:
Six years! They want to "knock off" that many...
SATO:
They want to "knock off" that many people. But guess who says
that it's a great way to do it?! What you just said, atomic war
-- Robert S. McNamara, the former head of the World Bank, says
that's, you know, "Nuclear war is great."
SKOLNICK:
He's not a dummy. He was among what they called the "Wiz Kids"...
SATO:
Of course he's not a dummy! And he knows what he's talking about!
He knows how to wipe people off the face of the earth with a
bunch of nuclear weapons. And he'd like to do it.
SKOLNICK:
Well. I don't...
SATO:
Because he says that the single biggest obstacle to progress on
this planet is that there are "too many" people in the developing
countries. So we can't have progress on the rest of the planet
unless those people get "jettisoned" off the planet!
SKOLNICK:
O.K. But let me understand this. In what way does the eugenics
differ from genocide?
SATO:
It doesn't!
SKOLNICK:
It's about the same thing.
SATO:
It's the same thing!
SKOLNICK:
In other words, it should be "eugenics/genocide".
SATO:
Genocide. And in a way, it's even more than genocide. It's like
"geneticide" because they want to kill the bad genes...
SKOLNICK:
You know, it's very odd. Because the ultra-right wing does a very
odd thing: they use their newspapers to fight any treaty that has
to do with genocide. And they twist it out of shape and says,
"Well it's *bad* for the people."
SATO:
Well that's because the "Genocide Treaty", as it's called, is
really not about genocide.
SKOLNICK:
Yeah, O.K.
SATO:
That's a misnomer. It really doesn't apply.
SKOLNICK:
But in other words, these eugenics, this genocide -- who is it
directed against? Against people of color?
SATO:
It's directed *mostly* at people of color. But it's really, not
really necessarily a racial thing. It's more of a class thing.
Let me give you an example.
SKOLNICK:
A class thing.
SATO:
Let me give you an example.
In December of '74, there was a National Security Study
Memorandum, number 200, which was authored by Henry Kissinger --
formerly known as "Heinz" Kissinger, because he's actually a
German. A German *zafardi*(?), by the way. And it was called,
"The Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for U.S.
Security and Overseas Interests." And it was about the national
security of the United States.
Now understand: whenever somebody says, "national security",
they're talking a treasonous thing. Because whenever people talk
about "national security" of the United States, they're saying,
"*We* want to discuss something that is so horrendous that nobody
in their right minds would discuss it..."
SKOLNICK:
By the way, you brought up one angle of the Second World War, the
European angle, the Holocaust and so on...
SATO:
Wait, wait, wait. Before you go back...
SKOLNICK:
And that was genocide.
SATO:
Right. Before you go back, let me finish this, let me finish
this.
This National Security Memorandum expressed the fear that
population growth in the Third World "will threaten U.S.
strategic raw material supplies." In other words, too many
people, say, in certain countries, in Latin America, would
*threaten* the ability of the United States to access those
strategic raw materials.
Now. What right we have to dictate how we get our strategic raw
materials is of a little bit of interest. But anyway, the
countries that Kissinger targeted for this "problem" of
overpopulation were India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nigeria, Mexico,
Indonesia, Brazil, the Philippines, Thailand, Egypt, Turkey,
Ethiopia, and Columbia. He wanted "to inhibit the wishful
thinking that economic development will solve the problem of
overpopulation." In other words, there is *no* economic
development that would help; we must get *rid* of the people.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
But come back to my point. The Second World War, in... to put it
in its simplest form, was a form of genocide...
MARK SATO:
That's correct.
SKOLNICK:
..directed against the, whatever you wanna call 'em, the
"unwanted" of Europe...
SATO:
Right.
SKOLNICK:
..And, you know, it is now becoming evident, fifty years, you
know, after the Second World War, that 6 months before they
dropped their genocide bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, 6 months
before that, Emperor Hirohito was already negotiating through
Switzerland to end the war. And our side didn't want to end the
war!
So all this hoopla that they've made in the "history" books that
"we dropped the atomic bomb because the Japanese were gonna fight
to the death and we were gonna lose a million troops storming
their homeland" -- we Americans rejected a genuine effort to end
the war...
SATO:
Now don't say "we Americans". The *elite* who were controlling...
SKOLNICK:
Yeah, right. That doesn't include the rest of us...
SATO:
That's right.
SKOLNICK:
..that were alive at the time.
SATO:
We had no say...
SKOLNICK:
The common people.
Yeah, you're right. But the point is, notice the genocide
application: they *had* the atomic bomb early enough; they
could've dropped it on Hitler! On Germany. They didn't do it.
See, 'cause that didn't fit their genocide. They dropped it on
the people of color -- which would be the Japanese. And you know,
you know what...
To this day, they don't talk about Nagasaki. I mean, Hiroshima --
they dropped *another* bomb on Nagasaki!
I mean, so we now know, fifty years later, it was unnecessary.
They could've ended the war. And all this stuff in the "history"
books, that *that* ended the war, is false.
SATO:
That is correct.
SKOLNICK:
In other words, it was strictly genocide. Why? Because the
burgeoning population of the eastern world, the Japanese, was
disturbing the ultra-rich of this country in some way. I mean,
they were wanting to broaden out their markets, they needed oil,
this and that. We strangled 'em, and after we strangled 'em on
metal and oil, they rose up and they bombed Pearl Harbor -- which
was a natural thing! I mean, you strangle somebody, he's gonna
resist, or "croak"!
[CN -- Not to say, by any means, that the Japanese were all
angels during WWII. In my view, Skolnick is essentially correct.
However another motive for the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
was that these politicians and these "scientists" had a new toy
that they were dying to try out. Also, Skolnick's view of the so-
called "strangling" of Japan by the U.S. is one-sided: Japan was
also an imperialist power, in its turn "strangling" other
nations.]
And so the "history" books -- they've left some things out.
They've left out the genocide angle in all this.
SATO:
Right. And so, what your example really points up is that Robert
McNamara's insistence that nuclear war is a "good" way to get rid
of people is a... we should take that very seriously because he
is from the same group of people who would be *quite* willing to
bomb the crap out of everybody on the face of the planet, simply
because they need to get rid of some people!
And that's the *only* reason. That's all the reason they need.
SKOLNICK:
Listen. Is the bottom line, is it your view from researching all
this, that these devils really and seriously, in the remaining
few years of the 20th century, would do this "Global 2000" and
want to get rid of "x" number of people?
SATO:
Sure.
SKOLNICK:
How?
SATO:
By nuclear war. By famine. By disease -- AIDS is one of the ways
in which they have decided to get rid of a lot of people.
SKOLNICK:
Do I gather that they have "written off" Africa as undesireable?
SATO:
That's what I just said: AIDS is one of the ways in which they're
gonna try and get rid of people. And that... AIDS is a weapon
that has been pointed...
SKOLNICK:
Most at Africa.
SATO:
..most dreadfully, at Africa. Yes.
SKOLNICK:
Yeah they talk about these other famines caused by civil wars.
But the main thing that's killing off Africa is AIDS. And it's
not from green monkeys...
SATO:
No, we engineered AIDS in this country.
SKOLNICK:
At Fort Meade, or wherever.
SATO:
That's right. We engineered AIDS: both HIV-I and HIV-II...
SKOLNICK:
In Maryland. That was the mad doctors of...
SATO:
..were engineered in this country.
SKOLNICK:
..the Central Intelligence Agency, at least *I* believe, that
created AIDS. And I wouldn't say it was a thing that got out of
control. It may have been intentional...
SATO:
No, it wasn't a thing that got out of control. It was
intentionally introduced into Africa, HIV-II, was intentionally
introduced into Africa for the purpose of wiping them out!
*Because*, [sarcastically] <>
SKOLNICK:
O.K. But call...
SATO:
And they threaten our "national security" interests.
SKOLNICK:
You were the one that did a big research project that we used on
an earlier program, maybe a year or more ago, about AIDS, that
basically it -- since the homosexuals were considered "not
desireable" for the Army, I mean, [sarcastically] <>
SATO:
That's right. Well, one more "national security" risk. They were
considered a "national security" risk. And therefore...
SKOLNICK:
So, in other words...
SATO:
..it was allowed to get rid of... HIV-I was introduced...
SKOLNICK:
So...
SATO:
..into the homosexual community.
SKOLNICK:
..AIDS, in its simplest form, is a genocide attack on certain
categories...
SATO:
There is no question about it.
SKOLNICK:
But they allege (if you believe the media at all) that it is
targeting heterosexuals in some way or another. So it...
SATO:
Well, O.K.
SKOLNICK:
..it, the "mad doctor" thing got out of hand.
SATO:
No, no, no.
SKOLNICK:
..they intended it to "wipe out" the gay community.
SATO:
No, no. It didn't -- yes, wipe 'em out. But also...
SKOLNICK:
>From a national...
SATO:
..You see...
SKOLNICK:
..security standpoint: "They're not suitable to be in the Army
-- get rid of 'em! Kill 'em all!"
SATO:
You see, it *has* gone into the heterosexual population. But
*how* has it gone into the heterosexual population?
One of the other *key* groups that HIV-I is attacking are
intravenous drug users. They were also a target.
SKOLNICK:
So there's a contradiction, a dichotomy there. 'Cause there is
the CIA and the aristocracy bringing *in* the dope. Then after
they get 'em hooked on dope, you're saying, "Well. Now we're
gonna kill 'em!" [laughs]
SATO:
There will *always* be a market for dope.
SKOLNICK:
There's a contradiction there!
SATO:
No, no. There will always be a market for dope. They're not
worried about that, one little bit.
So they'd just as soon kill them off, and...
SKOLNICK:
This very bizarre thought occurred to me. I don't know how it's
gonna fly, but just let me try to fly it: Hitler, in its simplest
form, was more fair on the genocide thing than *these* guys. He
didn't start with the biological thing. I mean, he rounded up the
"undesireables", put 'em in concentration camps -- uh, next to
I.G. Farben's facilities for artificial gasoline and all that
kind of stuff.
SATO:
..Rockefeller...
SKOLNICK:
Yeah! And worked 'em to death, and killed off those that he
didn't work to death.
In some way he was more (what is the word?)... the word "fair"
isn't it. He was more "straight in front" [i.e. "up front"].
*Now* they're saying, "Oh! This strange disease 'showed up'
that's killing the people." And we don't have a devil! We can't
point the [unclear] and says, "Hey! That's where it's comin'
from." You see what I'm saying? In other words, Hitler was a
known devil. Where are the known devils? Where *is* the
Euthanasia Society? Where is the Eugenics Society? What's their
address? Do ya know it?
SATO:
They're in the Chase Manhattan Bank.
SKOLNICK:
Well that's the, that's the proper place for them to be! [laughs]
SATO:
It's largely, largely funded by the Rockefeller Foundation and
other, similar foundations set up by the super-rich.
SKOLNICK:
In other words, they're not prepared to come right out in front
and say, "Hey. We're against these people. We set off this
epidemic bomb, this AIDS thing. We're gonna get rid of all these
people. And if ya don't leave, we're gonna ship ya to some
godforsaken island in the Pacific and starve ya to death."
[laughs]
In other words... I don't mean to laugh or joke, but in other
words, the entire thing is, is evil. And what? And they're
promoting books and stuff that they're gonna work the population
down, or...
SATO:
Well, of course. Yeah. There's a lot of different ways that...
SKOLNICK:
..line 'em up and machine gun 'em to death.
SATO:
There's a lot of different ways that they're subtly killing
people, which don't appear to be genocidal. I mean, usually when
people think of genocidal things, they usually think of war
and...
SKOLNICK:
So that the introduction...
SATO:
At least *purposeful* genocide.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
All right. So that the ultra-rich, then, have introduced dope, on
a big scale, into the United States. Why? First of all, they want
to enrich themselves. But secondly, they have genocide in mind,
right?
MARK SATO:
That's right.
SKOLNICK:
Because I...
SATO:
To give you an example: they are perfectly aware that narcotic
drug use is very dangerous. Thirty-one percent of all New Yorkers
who were murdered last year were murdered because of drug use!
SKOLNICK:
Do you believe it's a...
SATO:
So it's a very dangerous thing -- not only that they're using
drugs, but also it tends to make them become dead. I mean...
SKOLNICK:
But tell me if this generality is suitable: that sometimes the
(what is the word?), some of the better-educated people in the
black community somehow get onto the drugs. Is that a generality
that makes any sense?
SATO:
Well it makes sense...
SKOLNICK:
..way to get rid of 'em.
SATO:
Well, here. Here's an interesting question: why is it that these
drug dealers, whose (at the lowest level, anyway), whose main
idea is, "I wanna make some money!" All right? "I wanna make some
money, dealing drugs." *Why* do they go to the poorest
communities to try and make money? Does that make sense?
SKOLNICK:
No, they're not sellin' it there. They're sellin' it to
suburbanites...
SATO:
Well then, how...
SKOLNICK:
..who come to a certain corner.
SATO:
Sherman, now they are, finally. They are now. But what you just
said before -- "They go into a black neighborhood and they sell."
SKOLNICK:
To kill 'em.
SATO:
*Why* would a profit-seeking entrepreneur, drug dealer, want to
go into the *poorest* neighborhoods -- a black neighborhood, an
hispanic neighborhood -- and sell drugs!? That doesn't make a
whole lot of sense, does it? *Unless* their philosophy is exactly
like the British was, back when they introduced opium into China
for the purpose of...
SKOLNICK:
To subdue 'em.
SATO:
..for the purpose, not necessarily of profit -- although they
*did* make a profit, because they rolled over the Chinese economy
-- but it was to control the Chinese.
It is that...
SKOLNICK:
Through the opium dens...
SATO:
It is that purpose which is causing the introduction, wholesale,
for this century, into the black communities and hispanic
communities of narcotic drugs. That's what *I* see it as. It is a
form of eugenics. It is a form of getting rid of people,
purposely, using narcotics *as* *a* *weapon*.
SKOLNICK:
What you're saying, which is borne out by the census reports...
And that there seems to be an *attack* on black males between the
age of, what? Fifteen to thirty-two?
SATO:
Go younger: as soon as they get out of the womb -- *if* they come
out of the womb -- from that time, they are targets.
SKOLNICK:
What bothers me is, that occasionally the media tells you the
truth, but not in a proper context. For example, they interview
some people... They interviewed some kids in Roseland that were
eleven years old, twelve years old, in this recent flare-up there
[i.e., circa November, 1994, the story of the eleven year old
alleged gunman who, in turn, was murdered in Chicago]. And some
of these young people said, "I..." (in so many words), "I live
from day to day. And I don't know if I'll get killed on the way
to school or..." In other words, they're actually...
SATO:
Always at risk.
SKOLNICK:
Yeah. They're always at risk. As if...
But you see the problem is, the media has you believe that it's
just another black causing the risk, when it's the introduction
of dope into the black community that's causing the genocide.
SATO:
*And*, along with the introduction of guns -- which always
follows the drugs. And so you have this lethal combination of
drugs and guns which is introduced into the community.
SKOLNICK:
But in other words, is the thesis of your research that the
United States has taken over where Hitler left off?
SATO:
Not the United States, necessarily.
SKOLNICK:
Is it the American aristocracy?
SATO:
Yes. The American and the British aristocracy, which has taken
this over.
SKOLNICK:
Who *have* no country. I mean, their country...
SATO:
Their "country" is *money*. That's their "country".
SKOLNICK:
Well now notice this (which I don't think this is a digression),
but in this recent Gulf War there was something about that that
really bothered me. The media played it up and... First of all,
the media was forbidden to ever show bodies. So all ya saw were
their tanks blown up on highways, their trucks and all that. But
you never... You weren't allowed to see any bodies! You couldn't
have any wire service, any "photo pool" or whatever, photograph
bodies and show *you* that on the evening "news".
SATO:
"Nobody died."
SKOLNICK:
Well wait a minute! Something happened there...
SATO:
It was a "wonderful" war.
SKOLNICK:
..Something happened there which, there was a documentary -- but
it was only shown in one place in Chicago. And I think our
moderator [Cliff Kelley] saw it.
At the close of this short war, our side killed 100,000 young
Iraqis under a flag of surrender.
Hey. I consider myself a good American. I've lived in Chicago all
my life... uh, I'm not proud of this. With the yellow ribbons and
the marching, and victory parades.
And some of the pilots said, "It was like shooting fish in a
barrel!"
There's only one other time in all of history when one side
killed the other side under a flag of surrender, and that was in
the Battle of the Bulge during the Second World War. And the
German army, in a moment of desperation, killed about 60 or 70
Americans with their hands up...
SATO:
So we got that beat, don't we?
SKOLNICK:
*One-hundred* *thousand*! And most Americans don't know about it.
When I mention this, they says, "Has it been on the evening
'news'?" I says, "No. It's not allowed!"
Imagine. 100,000 Iraqis, under a flag of surrender, were
slaughtered.
SATO:
And of course, that's on *top* of the hundreds of thousands, the
millions, who were killed during the Iran-Iraq War of the '80s,
which lasted for nine years.
SKOLNICK:
And we *now* understand...
SATO:
Which was *our* provocation and the provocation of the Israeli
Mossad.
SKOLNICK:
And we now understand (fifty years later) that the great atomic
bomb destruction of Japan was unnecessary. The Hiro... Hirohito
wanted peace through Switzerland, six months before. We rejected
it. So I mean, there's been genocide going on again and again and
again.
SATO:
Right. And it's going on right now in Africa...
SKOLNICK:
The AIDS thing.
SATO:
Not just the AIDS thing, but all the, the wars of attrition, the
famine, and the disease that's going on right now. The war in
Rwanda has cost 500,000 dead. Upwards of 500,000.
SKOLNICK:
By the way...
SATO:
*Plus* the ones who are still dying.
SKOLNICK:
I don't wanna go into the whole Rwanda thing. But the thing that
the press never mentions about Rwanda is that the French
colonialists, the ones that, over the decades, instigated the
"tribal" thing... Notice: French troops came in there...
[CN -- Skolnick does not expand on this reference. I have as my
source a local radio show of good credibility, "News From
Neptune", that the two warring tribes in Rwanda were created
arbitrarily by the French colonialists, during their occupation.
In other words, the two "tribes" that were slaughtering each
other were an artificial creation. I forget how exactly the
French divided them; it may have been according to height.]
SATO:
But the British, the British intelligence knocked the plane...
SKOLNICK:
Yeah.
SATO:
..out of the air. Um, oh gosh. I'm gonna have to...
SKOLNICK:
With the two presidents that died.
SATO:
Yeah. Juvenal [unclear] was assassinated in a plane crash which
was arranged by British intelligence for the purpose of starting
this war!
[CN -- The slaughter in Rwanda began after a plane, carrying the
leaders of the two "tribes", crashed. Sato (LaRouche says this
also) is saying that the plane was sabotaged in order to
instigate the subsequent war and horrible slaughter.
By the way, you may be wondering: Why didn't those slaughtered
Rwandans defend themselves? Answer: They had no guns.]
SKOLNICK:
Now the right wing -- to their credit, at the moment -- from
their paper [CN -- Uh-oh, could Skolnick perhaps mean *The
Spotlight*?] (which I don't always agree with their politics)
have been playing up that there's something odd going on in
*this* *country*. That we're facing, possibly, martial law.
By the way, I once addressed a political science class at
Northeastern Illinois... At DeKalb. Northern Illinois University
[CN -- My alma mater]. And guess how they spelled "martial law"?
SATO:
Never mind.
SKOLNICK:
They didn't know how to spell it.
But the point is, what are all these foreign troops doing on
American soil now? In other words, are they planning some
genocide against we, more common Americans? And who do they have
in mind?
SATO:
I think that relates to the questions that were asked soldiers.
In May of this year, they asked American GIs, this year [1994],
whether they would *shoot* Americans, under certain given
conditions.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And so they were disqualified. And the ones that said, "Yes"...
MARK SATO:
Well...
SKOLNICK:
..proceeded to the next step in the project?
SATO:
..Well, no. Obviously they have a problem. Especially if...
SKOLNICK:
*Who* has a problem?
SATO:
GIs. If they are sent into a... Let's say they're sent into an
African-American community and they're told, "This community is
out of control. Go in there and impose martial law. And if
anybody moves, shoot 'em."
Now there's quite a large minority of the GIs, in this country,
who are African-American. Now...
SKOLNICK:
They're trying to get 'em out! They're trying to whittle them
down, out of the army!
SATO:
Now, now, now, Sherman. Nevertheless -- Hey. They're not gonna
whittle 'em down in six years, Sherman. There's gonna be plenty
of 'em in the army at the time at which they're going to promote
and provoke problems in African-American communities and send
troops in there for the purpose of gunning down as many people as
they can.
SKOLNICK:
Well, notice this...
SATO:
O.K.? Wait a minute, Sherman!
And so, when they ask black GIs, "Will you shoot Americans?",
they really know that, you know, anybody who's got half a brain
understands what the question really means. It means, "Will I
shoot my brother, in his own community, in his doorway?" That's
what it really means.
SKOLNICK:
But notice: some of us view the Vietnam War in very cynical
terms. In the '60s, from all these civil rights marches [by] Dr.
King and others, there were rising expectations...
SATO:
By the way, Sherman. Before you get into that, I'd just like to
make one very important point about these African-American GIs
*in* a situation in which they would be required (unless they
wanted to be hung) to shoot their brothers -- and that is that,
the situation in Roseland that you mentioned has caused the FBI
to go into the Roseland community, to be, to mingle with the
police...
SKOLNICK:
The gestapo!
SATO:
Yeah, the gestapo.
..to mingle with the police. And this is a first strike, in the
black communities in Chicago, to start provoking the African-
American [unclear] into...
SKOLNICK:
Federal police.
SATO:
Wait a minute. Sherman. Quiet.
..into a situation in which there will be the requirement that
American GIs, and black GIs, be sent into this community for the
distinct purpose of wiping out their brothers!
SKOLNICK:
On the excuse that there's...
SATO:
..there's trouble.
SKOLNICK:
There's dope that the CIA brought in.
SATO:
There's dope, there's guns, which has been brought in by the
British and American...
SKOLNICK:
All right. But notice this genocide problem, that this is an
ongoing thing.
During the Vietnam War, the black population of the United States
was eleven-and-a-half percent. But they constituted twenty-six
percent of those that were in the jungles in Vietnam. Blacks.
People of color.
Now what was the problem at that time, and from a cynical
standpoint? Dr. King and others, because of the marching, was
getting the blacks with rising expectation: equal employment,
"they're gonna have a house", "they're gonna have a job", and so
on. And how did LBJ [President Johnson] deal with this? With the
body bags. He sent 'em over there to be slaughtered! That's how
he dealt with their rising expectations.
*And*, here's the "national security" question, the so-called.
When Dr. King, in April of '67 made a speech, what'd he say? He
says, "*I* am going to go to Vietnam to tell black GIs not to
slaughter yellow-skinned people in somebody else's civil war." So
he was implying the genocide angle right there. And of course, a
year to the day, they slaughtered him.
SATO:
Sherman...
SKOLNICK:
On "national security" reasons!
SATO:
Sherman, you make, you made an even *more* important point at the
outset: that is...
SKOLNICK:
..yellow people...
SATO:
No, no, no.
..that King was trying to hold out hope for economic development
of the African-American communities. *That* is *verboten*. You
cannot do that.
What'd they say in this National Security Study Memorandum
written by Henry Kissinger? They said, "*Forget* about economic
development." Now what is the biggest problem in the African-
American communities today with regard to economic situations?
Lack of jobs! Now. They're not gonna *get* any jobs! Why? Because
Clinton has passed, has rammed through, GATT and NAFTA. And we
have turned the American economy from an economy with 250 million
consumers, into an economy, into a *world* economy, where there
are 5.6 billion consumers, many of whom are earning 19 cents an
hour. And we're gonna ask the African-Americans who don't have
jobs to compete with 19-cents-an-hour labor? It ain't gonna
happen.
So you see, Sherman... The problem today is that GATT and NAFTA
have completely foreclosed any hope for education, for jobs, in
the African-American community. It is *done*. It's over with.
SKOLNICK:
So they're using, insofar as... Well, Mexico was [unclear]
with...
SATO:
But you see, Sherman, that is *why* they have to be panicked
about what's going to happen in the African-American communities
when people finally figure out that there *is* *not* gonna be any
more education, there's *not* gonna be jobs. It's 19 cents an
hour.
SKOLNICK:
All right, let's see if this fits in with your thesis there:
Mexico is principally Indians. People of color. And therefore,
this whole NAFTA thing, to use them as cheap labor: does that fit
into your genocide theory in some way?
SATO:
Sure. NAFTA now... And the people in the State Department want to
lower the population of Mexico from over 60 million to under 20
million.
SKOLNICK:
How?
SATO:
Hey folks, there's a group out there called "Chiapas", which is
gonna start provoking civil war like crazy in Mexico. And they're
going to cause a *tremendous*, devastating war in Mexico which
wipes out over 40 million people.
SKOLNICK:
O.K. So wait a minute. So this uh, your thesis is that this
putting an FBI task force -- according to the September 8th, '94
issue of the *[Chicago] Tribune*, which is right on the front
page: "FBI Task Force Joins City Police to Fight Gangs". That's
their excuse! But *actually*, they're putting the gestapo into
the inner city...
SATO:
..for the purpose of making sure that there is a point at which
the African-American community explodes, and they have to send in
their troops and kill everybody...
SKOLNICK:
Before we run out of time: you also feel that these attacks on
black celebrities are not accidental.
SATO:
No. They're not accidental at all. They have money, they have
influence. The FBI wants to get rid of 'em.
SKOLNICK:
Why?
SATO:
O.J. Simpson. Michael Jordan's father. Michael Jackson.
SKOLNICK:
Why?
SATO:
Because they're [unclear], according to the FBI; they're not
"worthy" of having any position of influence or wealth.
SKOLNICK:
O.K. And since they are now quite wealthy, if they ever became
political -- I'm not saying that O.J. Simpson was or is
political, or Michael Jackson was or is political -- but *were*
they, in a time of the American gestapo running out of control,
they might say something and have to be heard worldwide... among
white people, among people of color. You couldn't shut them up.
If they held a press conference, it'd be covered.
So they're discredited. They're "murderers", they're "child
molesters".
SATO:
Or they're just murdered, period.
SKOLNICK:
Yeah. In other words, because they're well-known they don't want
them as spokesmen for the Afro-American community. Is that the
point?
SATO:
They don't want them as spokesmen for *anybody*.
SKOLNICK:
So, well what you're saying is, whether Mel Reynolds, the
congressman, is or is not a sleazebag as accused, it's
interesting that of *all* the crooked congressmen that they could
think about, they centered on him. That's not accidental, right?
They could find some other congressmen that are equally as
crooked as him.
SATO:
Sure.
SKOLNICK:
Assuming that he's crooked.
SATO:
Well yeah. But that comes down to, "Take a whole handful of darts
and just throw it at the [unclear], and anybody you hit..."
SKOLNICK:
All right, before we run out of time, what suggestion do you
have? You've laid out a very somber thing there. How do we get
into the next century?
SATO:
In my view, there aren't a whole lot of solutions, simply
because...
SKOLNICK:
Well, before we run out of time, give us some.
SATO:
There are certain African-Americans who wish there to be
reparations to the African-Americans because of slavery. That is
not practical for a lot of reasons. It's...
SKOLNICK:
Oh I'm for it if the ultra-rich pay for it!
SATO:
Sherman, that's impractical.
SKOLNICK:
..shouldn't tax the rest of us. The ultra-rich: let them pay!
SATO:
They're not gonna do that unless you "string 'em up".
SKOLNICK:
"String" who up?
SATO:
The super-rich.
SKOLNICK:
The Rockefellers.
SATO:
Yeah. That's not gonna happen.
So the only thing *I* would suggest is a strike. A mortgage
strike.
SKOLNICK:
Well, we're running out of time.
SATO:
..A rent strike.
SKOLNICK:
We're running out of time. And we thank everybody for listening.
We've worried a lot of 'em. People secretly think that maybe we
represent the Tylenol and aspirin industry with these programs
[laughs]. We *do* worry people! But we hopefully cause you to
think.
Thanks for listening, and watch us again on "Broadsides". Good
evening.
Brian Francis Redman bigxc@prairienet.org "The Big C"
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[Originally posted under aegis of "Conspiracy
for the Day", August 2 through August 6, 1993]
Mask for Treason: The Lincoln Murder Trial
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by Vaughan Shelton
[Excerpts]
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+ +
| "The history of the controversial Conspiracy Trial of 1865 |
+ as most Americans know it is a textbook version pared down +
| to a digestible nubbin... [The] basic account, with some |
+ modifications, is the same one the engineers of the +
| Conspiracy Trial set out to promulgate. In a way their |
+ success in planting such a version on the pages of American +
| history was a triumph in propaganda. For even before the |
+ trial began, the first gusts of a storm of protest were +
| shaking the legend." |
+ +
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The Riddle of Louis Paine
Louis Paine was one of the eight tried in the Conspiracy Trial of
1865. He was one of the four persons (Louis Paine, Mrs. Mary E.
Surratt, George Atzerodt, and David Herold) subsequently executed
by the government on July 7, 1865.
Paine was arrested on April 17, 1865 (three days after the
assassination of Lincoln) when he had the misfortune of knocking
on the front door of a boardinghouse operated by Mrs. Surratt
while government detectives were on the premises. Three weeks
later, Paine was charged with conspiring to assassinate (along
with seven others) President Lincoln, Vice-President Johnson,
Lieutenant General U.S. Grant, and Secretary of State Seward.
"In addition to the sweeping general charges, Paine individually
was accused of entering Seward's house on the night Lincoln was
murdered and attempting to stab the Secretary of State to death."
It was charged that "...hunger drove him to return to Mrs.
Surratt's house [three days after the alleged attack on
Seward]... disguised as a laborer."
"Even today, a century later [c. 1965], his [Paine's] image is
unchanged from that given him by the prosecution at the
Conspiracy Trial: A homicidal, half-witted brute without a
flicker of remorse for the vicious crime he had attempted but
bungled."
"But the persistence of the prejudice against this young man for
a full century [c. 1965]... is a phenomenon of mass thought-
conditioning that has no parallel."
"Even while the Trial was in progress, the possibility that the
hate campaign being directed against the Booth 'conspirators' was
a screen for a less visible conspiracy in high places was being
hinted in the press." And when the Trial and execution had been
carried out, the accusations of a frame-up did not diminish but
rather increased. "In February of 1866 President Andrew
Johnson... shouted during a speech from the White House steps:"
" ... Are those who want to destroy our institutions and "
" change the character of the government not satisfied... "
" with one martyr? Does not the blood of Lincoln appease "
" the vengeance and wrath of the opponents of this "
" Government?... Have they not honor and courage enough to "
" effect the removal of the presidential obstacle otherwise "
" than through the hands of the assassin? "
"In spite of the fact that the legend of the Booth
'conspiracy'... has remained the general basis for textbook
versions of the episode for a hundred years..." suspicions have
remained of a "...plot within a plot." Those looking into the
historical material on the subject are often "...left with a
strong impression that Edwin Stanton and certain of his political
and official associates must surely have had a hand in the
intrigue to remove President Lincoln by assassination."
Louis Paine did not know Booth and had nothing to do with the
"conspiracy" for which he and the others were tried. "...Of the
eight defendants at the Conspiracy Trial *he was the most
innocent*." Ever since Paine's trial and execution, "...it has
been the almost universal belief that his real name was Lewis
Powell... There *was* such a man [i.e. Lewis Powell], and he
played a leading part in the bloody events of Good Friday, April
14, 1865. But he vanished that same night and never reappeared
under his own name, though he evidently lived for many years
afterward."
Louis Paine was *not* Lewis Powell. "Louis Paine was the *real
name* of the young man who was tried, convicted, and hanged."
Confusion
"In the spring and summer of 1865 the country was under the
control of the military establishment." Edwin Stanton presided
over a War Department [B.R. Now called a "Defense Department."]
that wielded great power.
Stanton and his accomplices organized "...the nation's grief and
[focussed] it upon the project of finding and punishing the
murderers... the country was kept in a state of hysteria on this
one theme."
"This favorable atmosphere of directed emotion allowed the
Department's Bureau of Military Justice to stage a mockery of a
trial and erect a legend to screen two ominous realities: First,
that the assassination was one phase of a power grab within the
federal government. Second, that the removal of Abraham Lincoln's
restraining influence at a time when Congress was not in session
had cleared the way for a military dictatorship headed by
Secretary of War Stanton."
Today, we can get a very detailed view of the events of that
time. This is due in part to the fact that the "...telephone had
not yet been invented, [and so] communications between officials
in the War Department were routinely conveyed in written form."
The situation following the assassination of Lincoln was one of
great hysteria. Furthermore, the various agencies investigating
the murder of Lincoln and attempted murder of Seward lacked
overall coordination. One aspect of the confusion then prevailing
can be seen in the case of Louis Paine. "As late as April 24, ten
days after the assassination, a memo written in the Bureau of
Military Justice listed the prisoners committed by [that date]."
The list did not include Louis Paine, although he had been
arrested in connection with the assassination on April 17th.
Paine was a great puzzle to the investigators. At first he was
willing to talk freely, "...though he denied knowing anything
about a conspiracy to assassinate the President." However for
some reason he suddenly refused to talk to anyone and remained
that way "...until six weeks later, two weeks after the Trial had
begun, when he just as suddenly decided to communicate with his
baffled attorney, Colonel William E. Doster."
There was only one witness that the government had against Paine
in the days following the assassination: a young black servant
who had opened the door to the man who tried to murder Seward had
positively identified Paine as being that man.
Seward's Assailant
"Many historians have sensed that a sinister force was in motion
behind the scenes at the Conspiracy Trial." However, the primary
force behind the scenes was *not* Stanton but rather Stanton's
Secret Service chief, Colonel Lafayette Baker.
On Tuesday, April 18, 1865, Baker composed the first public
"wanted" notice on Booth and "Seward's assailant." The
description of Seward's assailant was extraordinarily detailed
and specific. In fact, the "...handbill's description of an
unnamed man was *an almost perfect description of Louis Paine.*"
Paine had been arrested on Monday, April 17. Until Paine's
arrest, "...the War Department's official conception of the
appearance of Seward's assailant... was of a man who looked like
George Atzerodt [who did not resemble Paine]."
Thus, since the War Department's description of the man and the
suspect described in Baker's handbill were so different in
appearance, at least one of the two descriptions was wrong. The
author contends that "Lafayette Baker composed the handbill with
its description of Louis Paine *after he had [already] seen him in
custody*."
"Later, at the Conspiracy Trial, ... [witnesses to the attack
upon Seward] would testify under oath that the gaslights at the
house that night had been few and turned down quite low, leaving
the hallways and Secretary Seward's room in semidarkness."
Contrast the above-mentioned "semidarkness" with the description
of the assailant in Baker's "wanted" handbill:
" Height 6 feet 1 inch; hair black, thick, full, and "
" straight; no beard nor appearance of beard; cheeks "
" red on the jaws; face moderately full; 22 or 23 years "
" of age; eyes, color not known -- large eyes not "
" prominent; brows not heavy but dark; face not large "
" but rather round; complexion healthy; nose straight "
" and well formed, medium size; neck short and of "
" medium length; hands soft and small; fingers tapering; "
" shows no sign of hard labor; broad shoulders; taper "
" waist; straight figure; strong looking man; manner "
" not gentlemanly, but vulgar. Overcoat double-breasted; "
" color mixed of pink and gray spots, small -- was a "
" sack overcoat, pockets inside and one on breast, with "
" lapels or flaps; pants black common stuff; new heavy "
" boots; voice small and thin, inclined to tenor. "
"The handbill description could have been written *only* after
someone had observed its subject closely and at leisure under an
excellent light, someone who had the authority to tell the
prisoner to hold out his hands palms up."
Also worth noting is that whoever Seward's assailant was *knew*
exactly where in the house to find the Secretary of State. The
man who attempted to murder Seward got past the servant at the
front door and fought his way upstairs to Seward's bedroom -- all
without hesitation. He knew where to find Seward that night. As
none of the witnesses remembered ever having seen the man before,
it is probable that Seward's assailant had received inside
information from *someone*.
"Whoever it was who rang the Seward doorbell the night of April
14 and tried to stab Secretary Seward to death... knew on which
floor of the mansion and in which room to find his victim; yet he
was not known to the Seward family or the servants... The
assailant was *sent* by someone -- probably paid by someone --
who could tell him the best time to arrive at the house and the
floor and room where his victim could be found."
Mechanics of the Trial
"The case of Louis Paine was the real puzzler. There was every
indication that the young man was a total stranger in Washington,
known to no one. The residents of the Surratt boardinghouse...
were unanimous in doubts that they knew him." The other
"conspirators" did not know Paine, yet he was charged with being
part of their "conspiracy."
"As we encounter more and more evidence that Louis Paine and his
fellow defendants were deliberately framed by officials of the
War Department, the reader should be reminded that this was not
merely a hysterical national situation in which, because of
pressure to find *someone* to punish for the murder of the
President, several suspicious-seeming individuals were made the
scapegoats by biased or overzealous prosecutors at a court
martial."
"The procedures of these courts had only a vague connection with
the established legal processes of the land. Defendants were
presumed guilty and, as [Paine's attorney] Colonel Doster
remarked in his reminiscences, '... were called on to *prove
their innocence*.'"
In his reminiscences of the Trial, written forty years later,
Paine's attorney Colonel Doster reveals some of his frustrations
with the proceedings:
" ...this was a contest in which a few lawyers were on one "
" side, and the whole United States on the other -- a case "
" in which, of course, the verdict was known beforehand... "
" During lunch one of the members of the commission "
" remarked, 'Well, Payne [sic] seems to want to be hung, so "
" I guess we might as well hang him. "
Colonel Doster further remarked upon "...The licence with which
the Government dragged into this trial a thousand details of
yellow-fever plots, steamboat burnings, and other things that
were utterly foreign to the issue and which had no other effect
than to inflame the public against the prisoners, showed a
barbarous disregard or rather contempt for the settled barriers
of legal inquiry."
These extraneous and irrelevant matters which the Government
continuously threw into the case served to "...rekindle all the
passions of wartime... by using the witness stand to review all
the 'atrocities' perpetrated by the South during the
hostilities."
As the higher-ups pulling the strings in this trial must have
known, these theatrics played well to most of the nation. "In the
1860's it was quite possible for a few clever lawyers and
unscrupulous detectives to stage a treason trial in the nation's
capital with all the flimflam of a medicine show."
The Arrest of Louis Paine
"At the time of his [Paine's] arrest and for a few hours
afterward... Louis Paine answered the questions put to him
willingly and with apparent candor. But something happened during
that period which caused him to decide to hold his peace... The
nature of his interrogation may have convinced him that he had
been elected as a whipping boy no matter what he said... Within a
short time after his arrest he entered a stolid silence which he
did not break for six weeks."
As noted previously, Paine had been arrested when he knocked at
the front door of Mrs. Surratt's boardinghouse while it was in
the process of being raided. A detective Richard C. Morgan,
present at the arrest, gave the following testimony on May 19,
1865, at the Trial:
About twenty minutes past 11 o'clock on the evening of
the 17th of April, ...I went to the house of Mrs.
Surratt for the purpose of... arresting the inmates of
the house; after we had been at the house about ten
minutes, ...I heard a knock and a ring at the door at
the same time; ...[We opened the door and] the prisoner,
Payne [sic], came in... [I asked] "who do you want to
see?"
He [Paine] replied, "Mrs. Surratt."
I [Detective Morgan] said, "what did you come here for,
this time of night?" He said he came to dig a gutter;
that Mrs. Surratt had sent for him; ...I asked where he
last worked, and he said somewhere on Ninth street; I
asked him where he boarded, he said he had no boarding
house, that he was a poor man, and earned his living
with the pick-axe in his hand.
I asked him why he came at this time of night? He said
he came to see where it was to be dug, so that he could
commence early in the morning; I said, have you had no
previous acquaintance with Mrs. Surratt? He said, No; I
said, why did she select you for this work? He replied,
that she knew he was working in that neighborhood; that
he was a poor man and she came to him; ...I asked him
where he was from; he said from Fauquier county, Va.;
previous to this he had pulled out an oath of
allegiance, handed it to me and said, that will show you
who I am.
[B.R. This "Oath of Allegiance" that is mentioned was, from what
I can gather, a signed loyalty oath carried by laborers,
drifters, transients, and others which allowed them to travel
freely in search of work. My sense is that it served as a sort of
passport or identity paper.]
[B.R. What I find interesting about this "Oath of Allegiance" is
that it may have been the precursor to our modern "Pledge of
Allegiance." The "Oath of Allegiance" involved a signed pledge of
loyalty to the federal government. If one wanted to work, one was
forced to grant recognition to the Union. In the "Pledge of
Allegiance" which I was required to recite every day in grade
school, we pledged our allegiance to "*one nation*"... a nation
that was "*indivisible*." To me it is interesting how this modern
day "Pledge of Allegiance" is redundant on the theme of union
(i.e. "one nation"... "indivisible," as if stressing the point).]
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So please do not redistribute Vol. 4 Num. 3.
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Many have written asking why does Lawyer Thompson want CN4-03
pulled.
First, I again ask that we honor her wishes and pull CN4-03.
>From what I can determine, Lawyer Thompson is angered that
1) as she claims, CN4-03 is a 100 percent copy of her
video known as "Waco II", that it is not merely a
summary of same, and that now no one will
buy the video because they have already read it in
Conspiracy Nation;
2) Lawyer Thompson is further incensed that her good
name and reputation (as she claims) has been associated
with Conspiracy Nation. She claims that Conspiracy
Nation is "40 percent tripe".
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THE MEXICAN RESCUE PACKAGE
[From The Congressional Record -- House, H1271-H1278, Feb. 6, 1995]
THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE:
Under the Speaker's announced policy of January 4, 1995, the
gentlewoman from Ohio [Ms. Kaptur] is recognized for 60 minutes
as the designee of the minority leader.
MS. KAPTUR:
Mr. Speaker, we are holding this special order this evening
because our various offices here on Capitol Hill have been
inundated with telephone calls and inquiries regarding the
Mexican rescue package, and many questions are being asked by
constituents and citizens of our country that we can not, in
fact, answer.
I was asked today how much money has already left our U.S.
Treasury as part of the drawdown on the deal that was announced
last week by the Secretary of the Treasury and the President. The
facts are that we cannot tell you.
Therefore tomorrow morning, likely after the morning business,
there will be a special resolution brought up here in the House,
and it will be a privileged resolution. In that resolution we
will be asking for a vote of the House and a ruling of the
Speaker so that we can obtain the information that we cannot give
you this evening about the terms of the arrangement that was made
by our Government with the nation of Mexico. Our resolution
requires that the Comptroller General of the United States report
back to us within a 7-day period.
So, we would try to draw to the Members' attention that this vote
will likely occur tomorrow morning after the regular morning
business, the 1-minutes and, perhaps, a vote on the Journal, and
we will look forward to that moment.
It is likely that in the way that the resolution will be brought
up there will be very little time for debate. There may actually
be an effort by certain interests in this Chamber to table the
resolution, and we would ask the Members to vote against tabling
the resolution so that, in fact, we will have an opportunity to
get the facts that we really want.
Mr. Speaker, I yield to the gentleman from Oregon [Mr. DeFazio].
MR. DeFAZIO:
So, the situation we are confronted with is the Treasury, in
concert with the Federal Reserve Board, agencies of the Federal
Government of the United States, have extended, as far as we
know, in excess of $40 billion of credits, loan guarantees,
currency swaps and other instruments to Mexico, that our
questions regarding the source of these funds, the exact amount
and the term of these funds, whether or not these funds are
somehow secured -- you know, what authorization exists for
extending these funds without coming to Congress for
appropriations; the gentlewoman [is] saying that there is a
possibility that this House will not ask to have those questions
answered, that we could just be shut down here on the floor by
ruling of the chair, and we will have no opportunity for debate,
no opportunity to go forward and ask these questions.
I, for one, as a Representative of a district from the Far West
United States, feel that my constituents -- this is not the
greatest issue before them, but they would certainly like to know
what authority the President, the Secretary of the Treasury, and
the Federal Reserve, have, if it was extended to them by
Congress, what amounts of money are controlled, what risks are
involved, what collateral are involved. I mean all sorts of
things we would like to know about even a small business
transaction let alone one of this magnitude.
But in this ruling we could just be shut down and not have any
opportunity to discuss that?
MS. KAPTUR:
That is really what the vote tomorrow is about. We know that the
constitutional authority of the House as the place within the
Congress; that is, the first to authorize and appropriate dollars
through the U.S. Treasury, was essentially shut off. Our Members
were muzzled. We were not privy to information that should be
ours in relation to the dollars of our taxpayers being put at
risk either inside the United States or outside the United
States, and we thought we were going to have full debate and
disclosure on this matter when a decision was made without the
involvement of the legislative branch of the United States of
America.
We now have to resort to special parliamentary tactics in order
to bring this measure to a vote on the floor, and the gentleman
is correct, that there are so many questions we want answers to
that we are being asked, which are impossible for us to obtain,
and we think that that is not what the Constitution intended,
that in fact this is not a monarchy, this is not a parliamentary
government. We are not an arm of the executive branch. We have
our own status within the Constitution, and our constituents have
an absolute right to know when their tax dollars are at risk, as
they are, in this agreement, what the terms of that agreement
are, what the terms of repayment are, what the nature of the
collateral is. We need to know how fast money is being drawn
down. Otherwise you cannot make a judgement as to what might
happen in the future.
What type of precedent does this set? It is our understanding
that never has the authority of this particular set of
institutions within the Government of the United States been used
to such a degree, and, therefore, we think there are some very
serious constitutional questions to be asked, as well as
questions to be asked about the nature of the agreement itself.
You know, I say with some humor this evening, "I hope the Mayor
of Washington, DC, will take it in the humor that I offer it,
but, you know that the District of Columbia here in our Nation's
Capital has been having a lot of difficulty with its finances and
is about to go bankrupt. It has been on all the pages here in the
Nation's Capital and in other parts of the country, and we know
that it's going to cost the District of Columbia real money to
bail itself out, and it's money that we don't have in this
Congress."
So I had an idea over the weekend that what we ought to do for
the Mayor of Washington and the citizens of the Nation's Capital
is to get the executive branch involved because they obviously
are very creative in figuring out how to make things happen and
make it seem as though you are not spending any real money, and
they ought to work up a Mexico-type deal for Washington.
MR. DeFAZIO:
Perhaps, if the gentlewoman would yield, I like that idea, and
perhaps what the Government of the District of Columbia could do
would be similar to what Wall Street has been doing.
They can go down to Mexico, get a bunch of pesos, which are
declining rapidly in value, and then they can take and exchange
them to the Federal Reserve Board for United States dollars at a
preferred rate, and by arbitraging this they can probably earn up
to a billion quite readily, and they can pay off their debts.
I mean, if we can do this for the Government of Mexico and the
Wall Street speculators, why would we not do it for the District
of Columbia?
MS. KAPTUR:
I figure, if the Capital of Mexico can draw on the taxpayers of
the United States, why should not the Capital of the United
States be able to draw on the taxpayers of the United States? I
agree with the gentleman, and, knowing that those tesobonos are
paying anywhere between 20 and 40 percent interest rates, the
Mayor of Washington would certainly be well advised to get in on
that because he could probably get the money he needs in a flash.
MR. DeFAZIO:
I bet, if the gentlewoman would yield further, I would imagine,
if the city were to engage, perhaps, Goldman Sachs as their
financial adviser, perhaps they could do very well on this matter
because, if I could go back to the questions the gentlewoman is
asking, as I recall, the gentlewoman from Ohio and a number of us
signed a letter with a series of questions probably 3 weeks ago --
MS. KAPTUR:
There were 13.
MR. DeFAZIO:
To the Treasury and the Secretary of the Treasury and asked many
of these same questions in a just, straightforward, and friendly
manner. We thought it was things it was essential we know before
any sort of bailout go forward.
Have we had any response?
MS. KAPTUR:
I am glad the gentleman put that on the *Record*.
We asked over 12 questions, over a dozen questions; the first
one: Who are the creditors that Mexico was paying off, seeing as
how they were going to be borrowing the money from us to do it.
We wanted to know specifically. We did not want to know some sort
of general answer.
We have received no reply from the Department of Treasury to our
questions.
MR. DeFAZIO:
So, if the gentlewoman would yield further, it is not exactly
like we are sandbagging them with this resolution of inquiry. We
have been waiting 3 weeks on issues of national concern involving
tens of billions of taxpayers' dollars, and we have had no
response to a group of Members of Congress who have asked these
questions.
MS. KAPTUR:
That is correct.
I yield to the gentleman from Ohio [Mr. Brown].
MR. BROWN of Ohio:
You know, as bad as we thought, as bad an idea as we thought the
bailout was 3 weeks ago, in the last few days, with Alan
Greenspan and the Federal Reserve raising interest rates in this
country, it only exacerbates the problem in Mexico. If you
remember 2 weeks ago, 3 weeks ago, Mr. Greenspan was all over the
Congress, lobbying, talking to Republicans, talking to Democrats,
meeting with Speaker Gingrich, talking to the President,
everybody he could, about this Mexican bailout on the one hand.
Then on the other hand we began to hear stories that he was
leaking out that the Federal Reserve is about to increase
interest rates.
When that happens, when interest rates are increased in this
country, which happened last week, in addition to what it does to
home buying, homebuilding, the cost of credit, the costs to
borrowed money for small businesses, all the hurt that puts on
the economy, what it does with the Mexico situation is simply
pull the rug out from under this whole bailout situation whereas
the price, the cost, as the dollar gets stronger, the peso by
definition gets weaker, which means that the $16 billion or so
that Mexico already owes back to western investors gets more
expensive so that it decreases the chance of pay back. It means
those loan guarantees and direct loans may in fact not be paid
back, but increases the chances there, and at the same time it
undercuts the whole ability of the Mexican Government to get back
on its feet in the Mexican society.
It simply does not make sense that the Federal Reserve did both
of those things, or the Federal Reserve Chairman did both of
those things the same month.
MS. KAPTUR:
If I might reclaim my time just for a second, does it not
interest you that over the last year the Federal Reserve of our
country raised interest rates six times, and during that period
of time, of course, it became more lucrative for funds to be
drawn into the United States and away from Mexico? This was all
going on at the same time. We were asking ourselves why are
interest rates going up in the United States when there is no
inflation.
MR. BROWN of Ohio:
American investors were benefiting. There were incentive for
American investors to pull their money out, and that is what
accelerated the whole downward plunge of the peso. You couple the
politics of NAFTA, that the Mexican Government and the American
Government did not want any peso devaluation during NAFTA, the
Mexican government did not want any peso devaluation, although it
could have been done in small increments during their own
Presidential elections. So the politics of Mexico and the easy
availability of money sent to Mexico, and the American bankers
and American investors sending their money down there, the
Mexicans glad to receive it, certainly with the NAFTA stamp of
approval, yes, our Government was saying it is O.K. to invest
there, all played into this.
MS. KAPTUR:
If I might yield time to the gentleman from Vermont [Mr.
Sanders].
MR. SANDERS:
I thank the gentlewoman from Ohio. We are back together again,
right.
MR. DeFAZIO:
After hours.
MR. SANDERS:
Fourteen months ago many of us, all of us, and many other of our
colleagues told the American people that we thought the NAFTA
agreement was going to be a disaster. On the other side we had
the President, we had the Republican leadership, we had virtually
every major corporate newspaper in America, who were telling us
what a wonderful deal NAFTA was going to be for American workers,
for Mexican workers, and for the people in general.
Fourteen months have come and gone, and sadly, sadly, virtually
every concern that we had at that time has proven to be true. And
after the 14 months, instead of our friends who supported NAFTA
coming forward and saying, "O.K., we admit it, we made a mistake,
we were wrong, everybody is wrong, they were wrong"; but instead
of coming forward and saying they were wrong, what they now come
forward and say is, "Hey, we need a $40-plus billion loan
guarantee to Mexico, because NAFTA has been such a success that
the Mexican economy is disintegrating, their Government is
extremely unstable, and therefore, at a time when small business
in America is in trouble and we do not offer them loan
guarantees, family farmers in America, we do not offer them loan
guarantees, we have a $200 billion deficit."
And what irritates me very much is every single day on the floor
of this House, Members of Congress say, "Hey, we have to cut back
on Social Security, on Medicare, on Medicaid, on nutrition
programs for hungry children and hungry senior citizens. We have
got to do that." We do not have enough money. And yet apparently
there is not quite that concern for putting $40 billion of
taxpayers' money at risk for this bailout.
The first point I would like to make this evening in terms of
this bailout is it is very interesting who is for it and who is
against it. Polls indicate, I think the latest poll I saw is that
some 80 percent of the American people are against this bailout.
Maybe some of the viewers would say, well, obviously all the
Mexican people are for this bailout.
Wrong. Polls indicate, as I understand it, that a healthy
majority of Mexicans are against the bailout because they are
concerned about the sovereignty of their nation.
MR. BROWN of Ohio:
If the gentleman will yield, including one of the major
presidential candidates in Mexico who has come out against and
spoken at a rally of literally tens of thousands of Mexicans, I
would add.
MR. SANDERS:
So you have the American people against the bailout, you have the
Mexican people against the bailout. And one of the frustrations
that all of us share is that we know that, if that vote had come
to the floor of the House, the U.S. Congress, House and Senate,
Republicans and Democrats, and the only independent, were all
against the bailout.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
How did the gentleman vote on this issue?
MR. SANDERS:
Well, that is a very interesting question. I was about to vote no
for the bailout. Unfortunately, it never came to the floor of the
House. I have not yet voted on it.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
How did Ms. Kaptur vote on the issue?
MS. KAPTUR:
On this bailout issue, we have not had a chance to vote on it.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
How did the Speaker of the House vote on the issue?
MS. KAPTUR:
The Speaker of the House has not had a chance to vote on this
matter.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
The chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means, the chairman of
the Committee on Appropriations?
MS. KAPTUR:
The chairman of the Committee on Appropriations I spoke with the
other day. There has been no bill referred to his committee.
There is not a bill that has been brought up here to the
Congress.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
Twenty billion dollars of American tax dollars, and there was not
a vote in the Congress of the United States. Is that what you are
telling me?
MS. KAPTUR:
There has not been a vote here in the Congress of the United
States.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
When will Congress get a chance to vote on this?
MS. KAPTUR:
We were trying very hard to get a vote, hopefully tomorrow. We
introduced a bill on Friday. Because the Speaker will not bring
up the bill, we have to use very unusual procedures to force a
bill on the floor, which we expect will come up tomorrow sometime
after 11 o'clock, under very prescribed rules where we will have
very little opportunity to debate. But we have not been able to
get any hearings in the committees of any significance. We have
not been able to get a bill. The executive branch did this
completely on their own, without the Congress being involved.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
Ms. Kaptur, is it really fair to say the executive branch did
this entirely on their own? Let us go back the 13 months that my
friend Mr. Sanders made reference to. What was then minority
whip, now Speaker of the House Gingrich's position on NAFTA?
MS. KAPTUR:
Mr. Gingrich was a very strong supporter of NAFTA, and in fact
when NAFTA got in trouble, he ended up rounding up the votes to
ultimately pass it. There were I think 43 votes that were
switched at the end.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
So again going back to what Mr. Sanders had to say, what
incentive then does Speaker of the House Gingrich have to bring
this to a vote? After all, his folks got their $20 billion. The
American people are left holding the bag. Four hundred and
thirty-five Congressmen never voted on it. Folks back home do not
know if they were for it or against it. What recourse is there
for a Member of Congress who feels like his constituents have
gotten the short end of this stick and that his constituents'
children have gotten the short end of the stick? After all, they
have already lent $20 billion. But it is my understanding, please
correct me if I am wrong, there is $35 billion in this fund. That
means there is $15 billion still to be left at the whim of the
President. To put that as a reference to the citizens of this
country, $35 billion is roughly what this Nation will spend on
its veterans this year. Yet, you are telling me, without a vote
in this body, up to $35 billion can be pledged by the United
States, with little or no guarantee that it will ever be repaid.
As a matter of fact, I have heard the Mexicans have made only one
debt payment one time in the past dozen years or so.
MS. KAPTUR:
If the gentleman will yield, what has been very interesting is if
you look back over the decade of the 1980s, this fund was used
every once in a while, especially around the 1982 Presidential
elections in Mexico, to prop up that Government. There were loans
made from this fund, $500 million, $1 billion. Then you went up
to 1988 when there was another Presidential election in Mexico,
and they used $1.1 or $1.2 billion out of the funds to prop up
the existing Government there.
Now the Presidential elections of this past August 1994: The fund
was used again over these numbers of years. Mexico has never
really paid back its money. It has refinanced its debt, which is
getting larger and larger and larger.
That is like if you had a credit card and you never paid the
principal and you just kept adding more and more debt and then
you were charged a higher interest rate.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
So if you would explain to the Members who might still be
watching, what is it that you are trying to accomplish tomorrow?
MS. KAPTUR:
What we are trying to accomplish tomorrow is to give the 435
Members of this House a chance to vote against the Mexican rescue
package. We have essentially been muzzled. The executive branch,
in conjunction with the leadership of this institution, went
around the other 434 Members of the Congress of the United
States.
We want our chance to vote.
MR. DeFAZIO:
Mr. Speaker, if the gentlewoman will continue to yield, I would
like to clarify, I think that we do not even have to characterize
it in exactly that fashion. We are asking the basic questions
regarding the extension of these credits to Mexico. How much
money is involved? What risks are there for the U.S. taxpayer?
And the series of interrogatories, someone could vote in support
of our resolution tomorrow, not having made up their mind but
saying as a representative of the people they need more
information.
So I would say that the Members who would support our resolution
would be both Members who already feel that they have enough
information to say no to the bailout for Mexico, but I would say
for the other Members of this body, I cannot imagine that any
single person in this body who has not had those questions
answered could vote in support of it.
I can see where you could still have an open mind and say, I
would like to know what risks we have, how much it is costing,
what the terms are, what our exposure is. But we do not have
that. So I would characterize the vote tomorrow a little
differently.
MS. KAPTUR:
The gentleman is correct. If one reads the resolution, it asks
for us to have the constitutional authority retained here as we
would hope we could tomorrow, and then it asks the Comptroller
General to report back on the specifics of the package that was
negotiated by the administration. I think the gentleman from
Mississippi would like to comment.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
I wanted to get back to something the gentleman from Vermont
mentioned, when he said that Wall Street was all in favor of
NAFTA and Wall Street was all in favor of the bailout.
In fact, former U.S. Trade Representative, Ms. Carla Hills, who
used to come regularly up to Congress and tell us what a great
deal NAFTA was, has written an article for the Washington Post
saying we have to bail out these poor people.
It was funny that just 1.5 years ago, when Ms. Hills came before
the Merchant Marine Committee and I brought to her attention that
a lot of shrimpers in the gulf coast, a lot of people in the
garment plants would probably lose their jobs as a result of
NAFTA, she said, "that is economic Darwinism. You just have to
have some people who are going to suffer when things like this
happen, but it is for the benefit of everybody that this
happens."
Would someone explain the wisdom to me why it is O.K. to let
somebody who makes $5.50 an hour working at a sewing machine all
day lose their job, but when some Wall Street investor loses a
couple of bucks on his investments down in Mexico, or maybe a lot
more than a couple bucks, that it suddenly becomes the
responsibility of the working people of this country, the very
same working people that you may have put out of work to bail
them out, to go on the line and cosign that loan? And above all,
why is it right that this huge expenditure, the equivalent of the
Veterans Administration budget, is being made available for the
President alone to spend and the Congress of the United States,
which is given the constitutional duty, not privilege but the
constitutional duty to see how our money is spent, what kind of
debts we incur, where is the Speaker? Where is the minority
leader? Is this not crazy that neither party's head is demanding
a vote on this and that 6, 7, 12 Members have to be the ones to
come forward and, by using the rules of the House, demand a vote
on this? It is just not right.
MS. KAPTUR:
It is interesting, because I come from the Midwest, midwestern
part of our country, as did the gentleman from Ohio, Congressman
Brown, who has joined us, the gentleman from Vermont, Congressman
Sanders, comes from the northeast, the gentleman comes from the
Deep South in Mississippi, the gentleman from Oregon, Mr.
DeFazio, it has been very interesting to me to see the breadth of
support inside this institution on this issue.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
If I may interrupt, on both sides of the aisle.
MS. KAPTUR:
On both sides of the aisle.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
There are, I believe as many Republican sponsors of this
resolution as Democrats. I think that is very important, because
I think a number of the Republicans are at odds with what their
leadership has done, which is, again, to deprive the majority of
the Members of this body just expressing this sentiment, yes or
no, this is a tremendous obligation.
I know it is more than three times the State budget for a whole
year of my home State.
MR. DeFAZIO:
If the gentlewoman would yield further, I was talking to a
freshman Republican Member today, and that freshman stated
unequivocally that they had done a whip of their own group and
there were 3 Members of the 73-Member Republican freshman class
who were prepared or leaning toward voting for the bailout of
Mexico.
So I think what has happened here is the leaders on both sides
can count, and they did count. When they counted, they found
probably out of this entire institution, the representatives of
the people of the United States of America, duly elected and all
equal under the Constitution, that probably less than 100 were
willing to vote for this bailout.
Now I guess what we are being told is we just do not know, we
just do not know the facts. Well, then, give us the facts. That
is what we are asking here. If there are facts that would change
my mind, bring them forward. But there is an absence of fact and
we are being treated as though we, as elected representatives of
the people, well, we just do not know better. This is something
that the big folks on Wall Street, the Federal Reserve decided in
secret, Robin Rubin, managing director of Goldman, Sachs and the
President behind closed doors, and public discussion is
foreclosed and votes of the people are prohibited.
MR. SANDERS:
My friend from Oregon is exactly right, as is my friend from
Mississippi.
My friend from Mississippi makes an interesting point, if he will
allow me to amplify his statement a little bit, that all over
this country there are people who work for $5 an hour and $6 an
hour and $8 an hour. And they go to work every day and many of
them do not have any health insurance, and we are told that the
Government does not have the money to provide health insurance.
Their jobs are uprooted and taken to Mexico or to China and we
are told, "Hey, that is the way life goes, that is what the
market system is about, no security, you are out on the street."
They pay unfairly too much in taxes, that is the way the system
goes.
And nobody is hearing their pain. And then suddenly our friends
from Wall Street, who by the way, let us be honest about this, in
the last few years have made out like bandits in their
investments in Mexico. In the city of Burlington, Vermont, people
put their money in the savings bank to make 3 percent, 4 percent,
5 percent, safe investment; in Mexico people were making 50
percent, people were making 100 percent of their investments. And
then suddenly, for reasons that we do not fully know, we know
some of them, the economy of Mexico took a tumble and their
investments went sour.
And how amazing it is, and I remember this when I was mayor of
the city of Burlington, it was not the poor people and the
working people who came into my office to ask for help. It was
always the powerful and the wealthy who tell us, "What can you do
for us?" and they are back again. These people who have the
money, who have made out like bandits, have suddenly taken a
loss.
Well, when you invest in a risky proposition, that is the nature
of the game, is it not? You stand to win a lot if things go well,
you stand to lose if things go badly.
I absolutely agree with my friend from Mississippi that it is an
outrage to go back to the working people in this country, some of
them who have lost their jobs from these very same folks who have
taken their plants to Mexico, and then to ask working people of
America to bail them out.
To pick up on the point from my friend from Oregon, what makes me
really sad is not only the horror of this whole agreement, but in
fact as a result of it there will be even more people giving up
on the democratic process. We just had an election recently and
62 percent of the people did not come out to vote. They no longer
believe that the Government of the United States represents their
interests. What do you think this action on the part of the
President is going to do to the political process?
You are standing up from Oregon, you are standing up from
Mississippi, you are standing up from Ohio, many of us are
standing up and the people are saying, "What difference does it
make? Thanks for standing up for us, but you don't have any
power. We send you here to represent us but you can't do anything
about it. Why do you want me to come out and vote for you or vote
for anybody else?"
I think one of the other aspects about this agreement which
disturbs me is not only the agreement itself, which we disagree
with, but the process which denies the elected officials of this
country to stand up and do what is best for their districts.
MS. KAPTUR:
Mr. Speaker, I think the gentleman raises some excellent,
excellent points. I know that there are working people across
this country who feel that they have lost voice at the highest
levels of our Government.
What is equally disturbing to think about, Mr. Speaker, is that
for the people of Mexico who have no voice, the working people of
Mexico who have no voice, if our Government, and I think they
were in cahoots with the top leaders of Mexico, has now caused
the standard of living in Mexico to be cut by half, and it wasn't
very high anyway, there are people who are hungry and there are
people who are streaming across our borders now because our
Government was too greedy for some of the interests that
supported it and some of the top leaders in the Government of the
United States, then shame on us as the most powerful economic
force on this continent.
I yield to the gentleman from Mississippi [Mr. Taylor], who
wanted to make a comment.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
The only point I wanted to make, Mr. Speaker, and I wanted to get
back as to the very eloquent delivery by the former mayor of
Burlington, could he not just vote against the appropriation for
this when it comes up?
MR. SANDERS:
If the gentleman knows, Mr. Speaker, if I had the opportunity to,
I could and I would, but I do not have the opportunity.
Unfortunately, as we have been discussing, we do not have that
opportunity.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
Mr. Speaker, isn't it interesting that every group -- there are
groups like the National Taxpayers Union, Common Cause, groups
that represent the defense industry, groups that represent the
homeless, everyone has a score card on how you voted. You hear
the Nation has incurred at least a $20 billion liability and
there was not even a vote on it, and there will not be a vote on
it next year or the following year or the following year, unless
something happens.
Mr. Speaker, I think the point all of us are trying to make, and
maybe not saying as well as we can, is that the reason we need
the information, the reason for the vote tomorrow morning, is
that, No. 1, we find out just how far our liability goes with
this; just what kind of assets, if any, the Mexicans have
pledged. I have heard they pledged oil revenues that have already
been pledged to pay other bills, so, therefore, they are really
not available to get our money back. What kind of track record do
the Mexicans have in paying things back? Where did this money
come from?
Isn't it interesting, Mr. Speaker, that while everything comes
before this body, from the amount of money we will have to mail
letters home to our constituents, the amount of money we will
spend on B-2 bombers, the amount of money we will spend on
housing and urban development, the amount of money we will spend
on veterans, all these things, sometimes much, much smaller
amounts dealing in just tens of thousands of dollars, we will get
an up-or-down vote on, but for $20 billion, neither the President
of the United States nor the Speaker of the House nor the
minority leader even thought we ought to have a vote. The only
chance we get to rectify that starts tomorrow.
MR. SANDERS:
If the gentlewoman will yield further, Mr. Speaker, the gentleman
makes a very important point. There almost seems to be an inverse
relationship between the amount of money that is being spent and
the level of discussion that takes place here.
We are seeing a whole lot of discussion on the National Council
on the Humanities and Public Broadcasting, right? Every day,
people are down here, some on one position, some on the other. It
is a matter of a few hundred million dollars.
What we are talking about is more than $20 billion, and as of
this moment, we do not have a vote on that, and that is clearly
an outrage.
MR. DeFAZIO:
If the gentleman will continue to yield, Mr. Speaker, in an
answer to the gentleman's earlier inquiry, there has not been a
vote on an appropriation for the Economic Stabilization Fund
since 1934, 60 years since an appropriation has been voted for,
yet the fund has continued to garner money through Treasury
withdrawals, through having money printed, and they exchange some
sort of bizarre notes which they obtain from the International
Monetary Fund. They give them to our Treasury in exchange for
dollars which the Treasury orders printed at the Mint.
If you want to talk about creating something out of nothing but
obligating the American people, and if Alan Greenspan is
concerned about inflation, how about the inflation that is caused
when you just run the presses overnight, running out whatever the
largest denomination of bills is, I don't know, a thousand
$10,000 bills, so we can shovel that money over to the Economic
Stabilization Fund, so we can send it to Mexico, or so that we
can secure the loans of Mexico?
Also, Mr. Speaker, the gentlewoman put together an excellent list
in response to your query here. I have heard a little bit about
this "We will guarantee these funds with the oil revenues." There
is a list here put together by the gentlewoman from Ohio [Ms.
Kaptur].
The gentleman is right, those funds are already 100 percent
committed. In fact, they are so committed that the Mexican oil
company has not been able to invest any money in exploration or
maintenance, because their funds are so over committed already.
You go through the list: Pemex bonds, 7.75 percent; French
francs, $750 million; Euro notes, Pemex, 8.375; $400 million,
Austrian bond, dated July 23, 1993, due 1998. The list goes on
and on and on. They are already well in hock for any oil they can
pump until their supplies are exhausted, and we are going to take
security out of this? You can't get blood out of a turnip.
MS. KAPTUR:
If the gentleman will yield on that, Mr. Speaker, Oil and Gas
magazine also reported about that by the end of this decade, by
1997, 1998, 1999, Mexico will be a net importer of oil because
the number of barrels she has been able to produce has been cut
in half, and because capital investment has not been able to be
made in capital plant, and because of instability among the
workers in the oilfields in Mexico, where conditions are just
terrible.
Mr. Speaker, I think any wise investor would question that, oil
being used as collateral.
If I might respond to the gentleman from Vermont [Mr. Sanders],
who raised a good point, when it is a small item involving the
budget, we get tied up in knots here, right?
When we are talking about $20 or $40 billion or however much the
American people will be on the line, it is like the Stealth
bomber. It goes through here, nobody saw it, we didn't vote on
it. It happened, it is a happening in America, but we didn't have
anything to do with it.
Mr. Speaker, I remember when the President came up here with his
State of the Union speech. He didn't like the fact that the
Department of Agriculture had spent a few thousand dollars trying
to eliminate ticks. He spent a long time talking about ticks.
If you come from a rural area, a lot of my district is rural,
that can be a pretty significant problem for people. In fact, we
had one gentleman here in Congress, Berkeley Bedell, who had to
leave Congress because he got Lyme disease. If you know anything
about what can happen, it is a pretty serious area to be doing
research on, so I didn't quite understand why he picked that
particular few thousand dollar expenditure out.
Here we are talking about an enormous amount of money, and the
gentleman from Mississippi [Mr. Taylor] said, "Could we vote on
it in the Committee on Appropriations?"
I asked one of the subcommittee chairs of Appropriations, "Will
this come up before your subcommittee this year? Will we get a
vote? How will we get a vote on this?"
He said, "Well, you know, yes, the Treasury Department is under
our sub-committee's jurisdiction, but this particular fund, I
guess it is more like foreign aid, so we don't think it would
come under us."
This is the kind of fund, it is like mercury. If you have ever
seen mercury and you try to put your finger on it, it keeps
moving around. You can't pin it down, really; $20 billion, maybe
$40 billion, and it is rising every day.
So here we stand, at 9 o'clock at night Washington time, trying
to say it is our responsibility to vote on this kind of money,
and putting our taxpayers at this kind of risk.
I yield to the gentleman from Mississippi.
MR. TAYLOR of Mississippi:
Again, Mr. Speaker, I would like to point out that in the past
couple of weeks this chamber has taken some steps toward getting
our financial house in order.
Regardless of where you stand on it, the House has passed a line-
item veto. The Speaker as we speak is holding a press conference
bragging about how that is somehow going to save the House of
Representatives from itself, but we passed it.
A few weeks ago we passed the balanced budget amendment, which I
supported, because I think we have to be accountable. We passed
earlier on the first day a resolution calling for an audit of
every single House office and every single budget within the
House of Representatives.
But going back to what Mr. Sanders says, if it makes sense and
the Speaker will support an audit for a congressional office that
has a budget of about $600,000, don't you think he would support
an audit of a fund that has $35 billion in it; we think $35
billion, because no one really knows for sure, and it is the
taxpayers' money. It is not the Speaker's money, it is not the
money of the gentleman from Vermont [Mr. Sanders], and it is
certainly not my money.
But don't the taxpayers deserve to know where it came from, where
it is going, and don't they deserve an up-or-down vote of their
elected representative on how this money ought to be spent,
especially when our Nation's veterans are being told, "There is
not enough room in the military hospitals for you;" especially
when every university within short order in the continental
United States is going to get a letter saying "Don't ask for as
much money as you got last year, money is tight;" especially when
highway funds are getting ready to get cuts; especially when
everybody's State's budget, at least the money they receive from
the Federal Government, is going to get cut?
How on Earth can we say domestically we want all you people to
share in the pain, but if you are south of the Rio Grande, or if
you happen to be a big shot up on Wall Street, here is a blank
check for $20 billion, and here is $15 billion more when you need
it? And the vote tomorrow morning is the only chance the people
in this body are going to get to have an accounting on that.
I hope the Speaker will rule that this resolution is in order.
But if he does not rule it is in order, then we have got to
wonder whose side is he on. Is he on the side of accountability
or is he on the side of hiding all of this from the public?
I had an interesting call today from an Under Secretary of the
Treasury, and he will meet with a number of us tomorrow morning.
Interestingly enough, he said, "You know, I can't give you all
that information publicly." Why? I can understand a military
secret being kept from the public, we would not want our enemies
to know our capabilities of our weapons or troop strengths, but
why should not the public know how their money has been invested
and where it has been invested and what kind of return they have
on it, and what kind of promise we have to get this money back?
That troubles me. That is sort of like the old Washington
mentality, "We know it all and those folks back home don't know."
Tomorrow morning, the Members of this body will decide who they
are with, whether they think the people of America are smart
enough to know and ought to know where their money is coming
from, and where it is going, or whether they just think a couple
of guys, the Speaker, the President, the minority leader, a
couple of guys from the Treasury Department, whether they think
they alone ought to have the responsibility for $35 billion. That
is really what the vote tomorrow morning is all about.
No. 1, I would certainly encourage the Speaker to rule that this
resolution is in order so that we can have a vote on it. But, No.
2, if he decides that he will not rule it in order, then I think
he ought to at least be man enough to give us an hour to decide,
to make our pitch in front of the full body before any sort of a
motion is made to table it [i.e. kill it], because the people of
America deserve to know what in the heck is going on, and they
deserve an opportunity to fix this problem.
I want to thank the gentlewoman and both gentlemen for their
time.
MS. KAPTUR:
I want to thank the gentleman from Mississippi for being the lead
sponsor of this privileged resolution. The people of Mississippi
should be very proud of the gentleman, an independent, strong-
minded Member who stood up to the most powerful interests in
America, both political and economic.
In response to something the gentleman said, let me just mention
that I received a letter this week from a woman from Coral
Gables, Florida. She supports us in our efforts to get a vote on
this measure tomorrow. She sent this beautiful letter really
saying the people of America understand what is going on and
encouraging us in our efforts to get at the truth and to get the
figures for the American public.
But it was very interesting. She attached a letter to her letter
to me that had been written to her by the Chairman of the Banking
Committee in the House 2 years ago, Congressman Henry Gonzalez.
In this letter, and she even highlighted it in yellow ink for me,
she quotes some of his statements which I think are so
instructive I wanted to read them tonight, in which he said that
during NAFTA, the NAFTA debate, that he endeavored to bring out
that NAFTA was more than just a trade agreement. It is a free
trade and finance agreement. And he underlined finance. And he
was concerned that the finance and banking portions would turn
out to be the driving force, backed by the largest banks and
financial interests in this hemisphere. And he said NAFTA will
have profound implications for the safety and soundness of the
U.S. banking and financial services industries, the integrity of
the basic banking laws of this country and counteraction against
international money laundering.
Now that NAFTA has passed he said the stage may also be set for
another savings and loan style bailout as United States bankers
pursue risky investments in the unregulated Mexican market.
To his letter he then attached even more lengthy hearings that he
has held in his committee. I just want to read one paragraph here
by two gentlemen, Mr. Niko Valance and Mr. Andres Penaloza, who
testified before his committee that the omission of an exchange
rate stabilization mechanism in NAFTA was deliberate and a
mistake. Mr. Valance argued that without an established exchange
rate, stabilization mechanism, it is possible for foreign
corporations to exert pressure on the Mexican Government to
devalue the peso, thus lowering wages in terms of other
currencies.
In addition, Mr. Davidson cautions that the relatively volatile
currency in Mexico poses increased potential exchange and
interest rate risks to U.S. financial institutions. The fact that
these issues are not addressed in NAFTA was of considerable
concern to many of the witnesses.
MR. DeFAZIO:
If the gentlewoman will yield, it is interesting to hear those
statements from 2 years ago, because we have heard most recently
from the proponents of NAFTA, the apologists for NAFTA, the
Secretary of the Treasury and others, that no one could have
anticipated the circumstances. But yet the gentlewoman is saying
that letter from the chairman of the Banking Committee, a
neighbor to Mexico who lives just over the border, who
understands that country well and is sympathetic to the needs of
that country, he discerned these problems. What was the date on
that letter?
MS. KAPTUR:
The date on the letter was December 6, 1993, but the respective
sections from the *Congressional Record* were dated November 15,
1993, remarks by Mr. Gonzalez on NAFTA, page H9661.
MR. DeFAZIO:
That is absolutely extraordinary. So perhaps a rational person
could have anticipated that the peso was overvalued, that there
were problems with political manipulations of the currency values
in Mexico, and, in fact, that inextricably tying the fate of our
economy to Mexico, which seems to be what our administration is
telling us, was a mistake.
I would ask the gentlewoman if she noticed the statement in the
Washington Post last weekend where the Speaker said there was a
relationship between the minimum wage and the value of the peso
in Mexico and Mexican workers, and said he was hesitant to
support an increase in the minimum wage in the United States of
America for people who work in this country because that would
probably drive more jobs across the border.
So we have seen the value of the wages in Mexico, which were
pitiful to begin with compared to U.S. wages, dropped by 50
percent, and now we have to withhold any increase in the standard
of living for the people of the United States because we might
lose yet more manufacturing jobs to Mexico.
What happened to the promise of hundreds of thousands of jobs in
America as we sold goods to the Mexican people? I am puzzled.
MR. SANDERS:
Mr. Speaker, if the gentlewoman will yield, in Sunday's
Washington Post Raul Avila, president of the National Maquiladora
Industry Council, said that during the first 10 months of 1994
maquiladora employment increased 6.2 percent, over 600,000
employees, and importantly enough, as the gentlewoman has just
indicated, "The industry forecasts the opening of another 600
assembly plants this year."
MR. DeFAZIO:
If the gentlewoman will yield, that, I believe, was because of
the drop in the value of the peso.
MR. SANDERS:
The gentleman is exactly right. With cheaper labor it becomes a
better investment in the maquiladoras, and we can expect more
American companies to be going down there.
The gentleman and the gentlewoman raised interesting points a
while ago. I am a member of the Banking Committee that dealt with
the S&L fiasco, and as my colleagues will recall the concept "too
big to fail." Do my colleagues remember that concept? What too
big to fail means is that the taxpayers of America were obligated
to bail out very, very large banks because if they failed, the
repercussions of that failure were supposedly so great that it
would have been worse than bailing them out.
I would like my colleagues to comment on this thought. It seems
to me that that is precisely what is happening with regard to
Mexico. We are now asked, well, not asked, but the President is
proposing to put $40 billion of loan guarantees into Mexico.
Maybe the President is right and we do not know. Maybe, in fact,
this will improve the Mexican economy, everything will work out
well, and there will not be a loss of taxpayer money. That may be
true.
But let us look at the other side of the story. Maybe in fact the
Mexican economy will not improve and we will lose that $40
billion. What I would like to ask my colleagues is this: Is it
not possible that a year from now or 2 years from now a President
will come back and say we have got to provide even more loan
guarantees to Mexico because we already have $40 billion in the
hopper there; we cannot afford to lose that. We have to protect
that investment and, therefore, we need to put even more money
into Mexico?
And I think the implications of that are very, very frightening.
This Congress and this President are having a difficult enough
time running the American economy that we know something about on
behalf of American workers. We are not doing very well at that.
The idea that we have the knowledge or the ability to sustain the
Mexican economy, upon which we are dependent, is really quite
beyond me.
But I am afraid that we are going to have this too-big-to-fail
concept once again. Then we are going to have to pump more and
more money into Mexico, because if it fails, then we have lost
all the money we put into them last year.
MR. DeFAZIO:
I guess to bring it down to something smaller than billions, I
think I heard very early on in my life and the old saw, you know,
"If you owe the bank $1,000 and you cannot pay, you have got a
problem. If you owe the bank $100,000 and you cannot pay, the
bank has got a problem." That is where we are at here.
It is not only ultimately an obligation of the economic
stabilization fund, and it does occur in here that losses can be
incurred, and those losses would have to be made up, but also the
interest earnings, gains or losses of the economic stabilization
fund are reflected in the budget of the United States of America.
So if the economic stabilization fund loans to Mexico, $20
billion or so to Mexico go bad, then suddenly we are told that
not only do we have to come up with the money but that counts as
$20 billion more deficit for the United States of America.
MS. KAPTUR:
On that point, if you look at what we are spending on as a
Nation, the very first set of categories have to do with Social
Security, and especially Medicare, the cost that the taxpayers
subsidize Medicare. Defense is a large expenditure. Then comes
interest rates. Right after that, the fourth largest category of
spending in this Government is to pay the interest on the savings
and loan bailout which totals over $1 trillion. Our children's
children will be paying for that.
So when we get in these debt financing arrangements, what we are
talking about is obligating the people of our country so far down
the road you can hardly even see the end of it.
But in this situation with Mexico, we are not talking about money
we owe to ourselves. We are talking about money that is owed to
investors and creditors to foreign nations. This is a very
different animal than that exchange stabilization fund was meant
to be used for in the past.
I think what we are seeing is a different form of foreign aid,
which does not have to be voted on here in the Congress, and that
is not how a democracy should function or a democratic republic
should function. We should have the debate here. We as a people
must make a decision about what our relationship is to various
countries around the world.
MR. SANDERS:
My recollection -- and help me out here -- is that foreign aid
that we do vote on is about what, $15 or $16 billion?
MS. KAPTUR:
That is right.
MR. SANDERS:
There is a lot of debate. Many people throughout this country
think that is too much.
MS. KAPTUR:
Half of that is weapons.
MR. SANDERS:
All right. What we should appreciate is that this loan guarantee
to Mexico puts us at risk for over double what our entire foreign
aid package is today. Is that correct?
MS. KAPTUR:
That is correct. The gentleman is correct. I kept listening to
the President when he said, "Oh, this is not anything serious.
This is just cosigning a loan." I would say to the gentleman from
Oregon and the gentleman from Vermont what if someone came up to
you and said, "Would you sign a loan with me for $50,000? Right
now, sign it?"
MR. SANDERS:
For you, Ms. Kaptur, absolutely
MS. KAPTUR:
But maybe you do not know what my finances are like. I mean,
would you not want to know the credit history of that person,
what kind of assets the person had? And there is absolutely a
risk that something might go wrong. Cosigning the loan does not
absolve risk.
MR. SANDERS:
I was on a national television program the other day and one of
the proponents of this bailout was saying, well, the Mexican
economy is basically in good shape; they are having a short-term
cash flow problem. But basically it is strong. One of my
colleagues here talked about the national debt of Mexico. Is, in
fact, the Mexican economy strong and stable?
MS. KAPTUR:
The Mexican economy is not strong and stable, and the nation is
not politically stable, which is why there is all of this moving
up and down of the value of the peso. Mexico owes somewhere
between $160 and $200 billion. That is with a "b". That is in
public debt that is owed to other creditors. This is only one
small piece of it. This is probably the piece that they thought
they might be able to bite off without too many people
disagreeing, but there is a lot more money owed, and then inside
Mexico, because of the strange relationship between their private
sector and their public sector and their banks, there are all
kinds of debts internal to Mexico, and with interest rates going
up there and with the inflation rates going up, it is a very
unstable economic situation inside of Mexico.
The value of their money has just been cut in half. Lots of
businesses there have loans. The relationship of those businesses
to their banks, to the inflation rate, et cetera, is a very
unstable situation, and the largest revenue generator to the
Government is Pemex, the oil company.
Over, I think, nearly half the revenues of that Government are
generated by Pemex, so that is another place that the oil
revenues are pledged as collateral to their own Government.
I happen to believe that Mexico's main problems are not economic
but, rather, social and political; in other words, if you could
get a system there that operated in a more democratic fashion,
could you begin to put the pieces in place of an economic order
that shared the wealth with the vast majority of people rather
than just a few people on top.
MR. SANDERS:
The main point I wanted to make very briefly is that it is not
for sure that this $40 billion loan guarantee is without
significant risk, and that is the main point I wanted to make.
MS. KAPTUR:
It is absolutely with significant risk.
MR. DeFAZIO:
I think this was a question I asked very early on when I was
contacted, when I filed my legislation to withdraw from NAFTA.
They brought up all of these concerns about how it would further
destabilize the economic situation. They said we are only
cosigning, and I said, well, I understood if someone had
impeccable credit they would not need a cosigner. Usually you
want a cosigner because no one else wants to extend you credit,
and they think maybe you would not be good for it. If Mexico's
credit is so great, I suggest they go to the same Wall Street
financiers who have made 20- to 50-percent interest, nice rate of
return, and perhaps say, "Look, you have been making a lot of
money down in Mexico, how about extending some loans on favorable
terms, maybe only 15-20 percent interest per year as opposed to
what we have been paying you, still better than you can get
generally in the United States stock market, S&P index, United
States Treasury, better than you can get anywhere else."
I would assume the Wall Street financiers, thinking there is no
problem, if they want the Government to cosign, why do not they
just do it directly? Why do not they do it themselves? They are
telling us we will make money on this. The taxpayers might make
money on it. Might lose $40 billion on it, but, this is a river
boat gamble. We are river boat gamblers with $40 billion of
assets of the United States of America that belong to the people
of this country. I do not think so. That is not our role here.
Let the people on Wall Street be the river boat gamblers, not the
people on Main Street.
MS. KAPTUR:
I am telling you, if those people on Wall Street and in the banks
around this country made as risky investments as this group did
down in Mexico, our entire banking system would be in a state of
collapse.
MR. SANDERS:
Essentially what we want is two things. We need far more
information about this bailout and, second of all, and most
importantly, we want the U.S. Congress, which presumably was
elected to represent the American people, to be able to vote this
thing up or down, and in my view, the Congress would vote it
down.
Now, I think if the American people are upset about this process,
it is terribly important that they stand up, they tell the
President and the Republican leadership that they understand what
is going on, that they want a vote on the floor of the House,
they want the Members of Congress to represent their interest and
not put $40 billion at risk.
So we hope very much that the people will stand up, fight back,
and start calling their Members of Congress, the President's
office, and the leadership to demand a vote on this important
issue.
MS. KAPTUR:
I want to thank the gentleman from Vermont [Mr. Sanders] for
joining us this evening, the gentleman from Oregon [Mr. DeFazio],
the gentleman from Mississippi [Mr. Taylor], and the gentleman
from Ohio [Mr. Brown].
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*USA Today*, Feb. 8, 1995, very tiny item: Mexico Plan Foes Fail:
Opponents of President Clinton's $20 billion rescue plan for
Mexico's embattled peso failed to dramatize their opposition
through a resolution seeking to reassert Congressional authority
over government spending. Critics lost a 288-143 floor vote that
would have allowed debate on the matter. -- Juan J. Waite.
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*Washington Times*, National Weekly Edition, Feb. 20-26, 1995:
House will debate peso bailout: In a sharp reversal, House
Republican leaders will accede to demands from GOP freshman [and
others] and allow full floor debate on President Clinton's $47.5
billion bailout plan, which bypassed Congress.
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*NBC News*, Bill Moyers commentary, Feb. 21, 1995 -- a good
commentary in which Moyers asks good questions about the bailout.
But notice that the commentary and the questions arrive after the
thing is already a *fait accompli*.
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[Copies of The Congressional Record are normally available for
viewing at your local library.]
Brian Francis Redman bigxc@prairienet.org "The Big C"
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Coming to you from Illinois -- "The Land of Skolnick"
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Thanks to U.S. News & World Report for the following
(Jan. 23, 1995, p. 23):
Gaining Access
Library of Congress officials were stunned by the immediate
success last week of "Thomas", the new Internet home for
documents.... The Senate is likely to join the system.
Apparently access is *only* via World Wide Web / Mosaic
http://thomas.loc.gov
Suggestion: Run a search there using keyword "Peso"
Brian Francis Redman bigxc@prairienet.org "The Big C"
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Coming to you from Illinois -- "The Land of Skolnick"
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 2, 1995
I spoke by phone with Sherman Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee
to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC]. Here is my transcription of that
interview.
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[Phone rings]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Uh, Sherman Skolnick?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Hi. This is Brian Redman. I talked with you a few days ago?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, right.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. I got the Barings Bank thing went out on the Internet, O.K.
I'm also wondering if you have, maybe, 5 minutes, I could ask you
some questions?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I'd be glad.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. What I've done...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
By the way, the message was highly detailed. I hope it didn't
cause you any trouble to transcribe it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
No. As a matter of fact, I... I printed out the transcription and
it's in the mail, O.K.? So you should be gettin' it... mmm,
tomorrow or Saturday.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Thank you.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. Uh, I've been runnin' around a lot, you know, so, I...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Thank you for your efforts.
I have been talking to people all over [the] United States and
elsewhere, gathering information on this. I... You know, I know a
lot of people.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
What kind of questions do you have?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. All right, well, number one, O.K. Let me just kind of throw
something out at ya: I got this... You see, what I, the way I had
been recording your recorded messages before was I had a micro-
cassette recorder that I would place right up to the ear of the
phone to record the message. And I, my idea was, I went to Radio
Shack and they told me that there was this kind of a gizmo, O.K.?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, right. It costs about $21 and you plug it directly into the
modular phone line and then into your machine, and it records
directly from the line without any hum or problem.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. So that's what I did. In fact, I'm recordin' ya right now,
if that's O.K.?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, fine.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. So that's...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...checking out. Better check out, check a little bit if you're
using it for the first time.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You know what I did, I tested it on your recorded message, and it
seemed to work O.K., so... And I just figured, well, I'll do like
a 5 or 10 minute interview and if it turns out O.K. then I could
just transcribe the interview and put it out on the Internet.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, certainly.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. I just wanted to, you know, make sure you understood that,
you know, all that stuff.
O.K. A few questions that came up, all right, was with the
Barings Bank, uh -- it's a relatively small bank. You know, like
a billion dollar failure...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well that's not accurate.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The total estimated, or expected losses may well exceed over $10
billion. And to understand that, you have to consult with experts
on derivatives.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In unwinding a derivative trade that has gone bad, it depends on
the instruments that are involved. Here what was involved is the
price of yen and related matters. While they're unwinding these
transactions, the yen... um, not the yen (excuse me), the Nikei
Index may go down 2,000 points. And if that occurs, as some in
the securities industry expect (although they haven't been asked
about it or quoted in the financial press), if that occurs, that
the [Nikei] Index goes down 2,000 points, then the loss of the
derivative transactions that have gone sour will be very close to
*10* *billion* *dollars*. Not one billion, and not 900 million,
but $10 billion.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. 'Cause there...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
It depends on the unwinding of the trades. Because the
derivatives transactions in question here were highly complicated
and are tied in with the Nikei Index.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. Because there was some question. See, I get feedback, all
right? This thing goes out to a lot of readers and I get some
feedback from them. And it occurred to me that, now I had a
chance to, you know, explore some of these issues more in-depth
and kind of... 'Cause they had a lot of questions. I get a lot
of...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I've already talked off-the-record with highly-skilled people in
this field.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And they have explained it to me.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Understand something: um, how can I explain this quickly? As a
result of our efforts for over 30-some odd years in investigating
judicial corruption, over the years we've found out that such
corruption involves banks that are owned and operated by judges
and others. As a result, we became, we have become very adept at
financial research. And we have sources all over. And we have
talked to those sources, and they estimate that the loss, when
the Barings Bank transactions get unwound, would be close to $10
billion.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. Along the line of sources, I know that you can't reveal
these people, but I'm thinking more in terms of, uh you had
mentioned before that you read, for example, the *Wall Street
Journal*. Are there other sources out there, as for reading, that
you would recommend?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well I would find it interesting, in the future, what the
*Economist*, which now is trying to get a larger readership in
the United States, that's a...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
That's a London...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...that's a London publication [CN -- a magazine], what their
next issue on this question may deal with. They may take a purely
British point of view, or they may take a point of view
sympathetic to the Queen's interest in Barings. Although the
Queen, also, has a stock brokerage -- I believe they're called
COATS(?) -- that handles, traditionally, a lot of the business of
the British monarchy.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. So the *Wall Street Journal*, the *Economist*, there's...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Oh, you mean to get a clear idea of what's going on?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Just some of the stuff you read.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...none of these publications, in my opinion, are gonna tell the
unvarnished truth about what is involved. And I can give the
reasons for that.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Because they all have their own special interests behind 'em?
Or...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well... Let me just list a few of the problems. One of the
largest securities firms in the world, Nomura Securities, N-o-m-
u-r-a, reportedly is, and has been, in worse financial condition
than Barings. However, the Bank of Japan, and others, may bail
them out. But some brokerages are quietly "red-flagging" them,
which is a trade term for avoiding somebody. For example, when
some brokerages became aware that there was a problem in Mexico,
they "red-flagged" Mexico. That's the way they tell their troops,
"No transactions with them" -- you see the point?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Likewise, Goldman-Sachs has come within a hair, reportedly, of
going under in respect to the "Mexican problem" -- the
devaluation and the expected defaults by Mexican corporations.
So the financial press, to help the established interests, wish
to play down the Barings thing as much as they possibly can as a,
just another "minor matter". Which I don't believe it is.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. There's a newsletter called *Strategic Investment*, put out
by Lord Rees-Mogg...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right! I read it. I get copies. I don't subscribe, but friends of
mine send me copies from time to time.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Same... Yeah. Same with me.
I uh... In their latest issue, they're talkin' about this thing
about how Clinton's puttin' up what they call a "Berlin Wall" to
keep dollars from fleeing the country. Have you heard anything
about that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well what I know that's related to it is, the dollar is hitting,
more and more, new, post-war lows. And the reason for that is
that expert traders in the dollar are expecting the possibility
that the *Deutschmark* will be the new, reserve currency of the
world, rather than the U.S. dollar. And that is based on
information that Clinton and his wife are "going to the wall"
[i.e. will face some degree of justice] soon.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In other words, well, there's been leaks from the investigation
by the independent prosecutor which supports the idea that the
First Lady is, in the near future, most likely gonna be indicted.
And that will put a tremendous cloud over the Clinton White
House. And so, in advance of that, the dollar is being dumped --
let's put it that way.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. I'm just basically, for myself, I'm watchin' the *Wall
Street Journal* myself and just noticin' the dollar/yen thing,
how that's...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Notice the split in the *Wall Street Journal*: those that work on
the editorial page continue with their detailed items, which are
more *news* items than editorials, about Whitewater. The other
day they had a, um...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I saw it. Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...a front-page story that "pooh-poohed" Whitewater. The
editorials are closer to the truth than the front-page story --
which is a different faction within the *Wall Street Journal*. (I
know a lot about the back office politics of the *Wall Street
Journal*.)
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. Yeah, like I say, this, I'm gonna have to keep this
relatively brief. I mean, there's a *lot* of things...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well then cut out those parts that you feel are not relevant.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
No, it's *all* relevant, 'til now. I'm just sayin' that I have to
kind of move along. You know, I'm lookin' for, at this point,
maybe a 10, 15 minute interview. Because I plan on transcribin'
the whole thing.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
All right, what subjects do you particularly want to get into?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
There's just a few questions that people had, O.K.? And you've
answered, so far, fine; I'm happy with the answers you've given
me so far. And I'd like to get into more detail. You know, my
idea is, maybe call you up once a week, ten, fifteen minutes, and
just kinda, you know, "flesh out" things, and...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
My opinion is that the Barings Bank collapse is not an isolated
event. It is part of an ongoing series of scandals which, of
which the Whitewater scandal and the scandal, the series of
scandals in Italy, and in France -- there's some overriding
connection between them. In other words, different factions are
coming out of joint and are fighting with each other, and this is
what happens. And the financial press is *not* making any sense
out of it; they're dealt with as if they're all isolated
situations -- which they may not be.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. With this (movin' to a different subject), with this thing
of the 41 grand jury witnesses in Chicago, that you're sayin'
that the Justice Department has got an assassination team that
has been killin' people...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh, yes. The ones that originally contended that were the highly
skilled lawyers, including the former Attorney General, Elliott
Richardson, that represented the Inslaw company. And in rebuttal
to former judge Nicholas J. Bua's report on the grand jury
investigation of whether Inslaw was defrauded by the Justice
Department, Inslaw's attorneys filed certain detailed
descriptions, offering witnesses, that there is within the
Justice Department [an] unmarked section where there is a group
there that conducts domestic and foreign assassinations, and that
*they* were responsible for killing a key witness, a free-lance
journalist, by the name of Danny Casolaro.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, O.K. What, what some of my readers were interested in is
possibly a list of the names of the victims. I mean, you don't
have to read, you know, it out over the phone. I was thinking
maybe I would contact you by mail, askin' for a list of the
victims if you have...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I think we have compiled a great number of names. In a federal
court case that we brought, in the Fall of '92, on this question,
we accused Bua and others who were supervising the Inslaw federal
grand jury of not paying attention to the fact that *their* team
of investigators were in fact terrorizing and murdering
witnesses.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K....
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And we accuse, in the court record, a FBI agent named Mike
"Chuckie" Peters of the same.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. A lot of this I've pretty much covered already through the,
posted out on the Internet.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
All right.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And one other thing that people have kind of asked me questions
about is this thing that Tsar Nicholas II and the Tsarina and
their family were not actually killed in 1918.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well there have been a couple of books on this subject. And I
myself, in '74, with a group of my associates, went to New York
to spend two whole days interviewing Alexei Romanov, who contends
(and I believe he's correct) that he is the surviving son of Tsar
Nicholas II, and that his family were *not* murdered, as history
books state, in a basement in Siberia...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right, so...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...but that they lived out their lives, protected by their
cousins, the British royal family, and that they were housed,
under another name, in Poland. And it's... well, you'd have to
know a lot about history, you'd have to know a lot about this
question, to understand the validity of what I'm saying.
Most of the royal families of Europe -- Russia, Germany, and
England -- are cousins. They're related...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...through Queen Victoria. And, so the uh... And, in 1970, in one
edition only, the *Chicago Tribune* wrote a story about this,
confirming from inside sources that the Tsar, his wife, and their
children were rescued and were not murdered in Ekaterenberg(?),
Siberia, as some had contended.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right, so in the...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I think that I have extra copies of that, and I will mail you
one.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. What's... One reader...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And the *Tribune* has never recanted that story or corrected it.
It's a correct story, from United Press International.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. One reader said that there's, there were actually movies of
Tsar Nicholas and his family being shot by the Bolsheviks, from
1918.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Not true.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Not true. O.K. And another reader...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
What happened is that the Rockefellers, that held $400 million in
gold of the *Romanov* -- not the Russian government, but of the
*Romanov* private fortune -- have a great interest to circulate
those false stories. Otherwise they might have to disgorge the
money.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And they were the ones that financed the movie, in the early
'70s, called "Nicholas and Alexandra". And at the close of the
movie, it shows... uh, you know: the Tsar and his family being
shot to death.
You mean there's an *actual* movie of it happening? It's not
true.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And you would...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
It's *not* true.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. You would say the same for supposed DNA evidence, that
that's not true?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Oh, you mean that recent stuff that came out of the post-Soviet
period there? I don't believe any of it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And *you* wouldn't believe any of it either, if you had spent two
entire days questioning and examining, you know, uh questioning
Alexei Romanov. I mean, he's got the Tsarist family face, which
cannot -- I mean, I brought artists along to look at that face!
You can't reproduce that face. You can't fake-up that face.
Further than that, since he was a hemophiliac, as a child he wore
braces. And we discussed some inside things about that, some of
the things about wearing braces (which, of course, I'm a
paraplegic myself) that he could not have known otherwise.
I mean, we tested him out on every possible aspect. And he didn't
flunk a single question, no.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right, and what about this Anastasia? I myself am not totally
positive on this. It seems to me that... I mean, I know there was
this controversy over this woman...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well... the, what happened is, at the time that the Rockefellers
sponsored the Nicholas and Alexandra movie, to promote, to
further promote the idea that the Tsar had been murdered, the
reason for it is, the German high court at that time (which is
about 1971) had the case of a woman who used the name "Marian
Anderson", but who claimed that she was the surviving daughter,
Anastasia Romanov...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...the daughter of the Tsar. And she did not succeed in court,
but that does not mean that she didn't necessarily have a valid
case.
And then in the '50s, about 1957, um... what's her name? The
famous actress... did a movie called "Anastasia".
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I know the... I've heard of the movie. And I can't recall
the actress either. [CN -- Ingrid Bergman(?)]
O.K. That's...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In other words, there's been various efforts to further circulate
and promote these false stories that the Tsar, the Tsarina, and
their children were murdered. It did *not* happen. Those that...
And the story that ran in one edition of the *Tribune* in 1970 is
a *correct* story. They have never taken it back. They have never
corrected it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. I just want to close with sayin' most of my readers are very
interested in your material. And I'm real happy that you're
givin' me a chance to kind of expand on, you know, these things
that you're saying.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The Tsarist thing requires a lot of details. I have only
summarized a *very* *small* number of details.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Uh, we're makin' progress, O.K., is... What I'm sayin', is
that, before, I would put out these 5-minute commentaries that
sometimes would raise further questions and, that I couldn't...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And the other thing that's in my 5-minute message, which there's
gotta be a lot more details discussed, that you can't do it in 5
minutes -- and that is the secret pact between...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...the Pope and the Western powers, which expired in '93. And
there's a lot to be said about that.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And I'm just sayin', see what I have to do is I've gotta
transcribe this. And this should keep me busy for a few days,
anyway, gettin' this stuff out.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
If this stuff isn't clear, call me and if I'm here I certainly
will try to... I tried to summarize this quickly, but you know,
we're "documentors", you know what I mean?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And I tend to immediately supply highly detailed answers that...
well, would take...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...It would lengthen the thing out.
Let's just say, I don't make idle statements. Let's put it that
way.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And the documents, I told ya that, you know, I had made
copies of some of your commentaries and transcribed 'em. I sent
those out in the mail to ya. Like I said, you should be gettin'
'em Friday or Saturday.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
What is happening? In other words, some of the others on Internet
are getting back to you with interesting questions, huh?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! Yeah. And actually, I've *routinely* gotten these
questions, and I've been in a position of not really *knowing*,
you know? Sometimes I have *some* knowledge, myself, that I
can...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Understand what our problem is: I operate without a secretary.
And my associates are scattered all over. So we don't have a
"secretarial staff" to speak of. And I have a listed phone number
and address, and were I to get a lot of mail to my address, I
don't think I could, you know, answer it. In other words, if
questions came to me, how would I answer all these letters? Do
you see what I mean?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, sure.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So if they come to you, I'll... You ask your questions and I'll
do my best to answer 'em.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And when I get done with this, transcribin' this interview
and sendin' it out, I'll send ya a copy. Just so you know that
I'm representing you *verbatim* and I'm not...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. And we welcome more questions about the Barings Bank. We
are in touch with the most knowledgeable people on various
continents about it. We've... We know a great deal about it. So
we will have further messages, and I'll be glad to share the
information with you.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. Thanks a lot for your time.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Thank you.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. 'Bye.
Brian Francis Redman bigxc@prairienet.org "The Big C"
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Coming to you from Illinois -- "The Land of Skolnick"
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 6, 1995
On March 6, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone.
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
-- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I looked in the Tsar file...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...and I sent you a copy of a very rare article from the Chicago
Tribune that ran in *one* edition, in '70.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I put it in the mail Saturday; you should get it.
It says that documents were released, apparently after 50 years
(this is 1970, in the article)...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...that the Tsar and the Tsarina, and their family, actually were
not murdered but were rescued by the British royalty, their
cousins.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And my guess is that the copyright would've expired on that,
so I could just, say, type it out and probably put it on the
Internet.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I wouldn't worry about the copyright. I wrote a letter to the
editors a year ago about that article, and they've never
acknowledged at the *[Chicago] Tribune*, or responded, or ran it,
or anything.
They....... Two things: they released fraudulent details, I
believe them to be fraudulent, that some bones, otherwise not
identifiable, in the bottom of a mine shaft in Siberia...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...that they did DNA tests on it and they said that those were
the Tsar, the Tsarina, and the children.
False. It's false.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Secondly, the guy, Richards -- some guy gave you an e-mail back
that there was a book showing that Alexei Romanov [gives
spelling]... But the book by a guy named Richards, O.K.? Alexei
told me about this *21* *years* *ago*! Richards is the pen name
of a former gestapo official.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Would you expect a former gestapo official to tell you the
truth!?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
No.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
What has been published, over the last 30 years and so on, in
various books...
Alexei used a Polish name: Michael Golenieski. Michael Golenieski
was a top official of the Polish counter-intelligence. O.K.? And,
according to published accounts, when he defected -- during the
time that he arrived in this country in January of '61, a few
days before JFK was inaugurated as the President. He was
inaugurated January 20th, '61. O.K.?
He -- Golenieski -- arrived between the November '60 election,
and the January '61 inauguration. By special act of Congress he
was made a U.S. citizen and promised $100,000 per year. He has
been only getting $5,000 per year. *But*, the reason he was very
useful to American Intelligence: his information was so accurate
that over 400 Soviet spies were identified in the West and
arrested. So how much of a charlatan and a liar could he be!?
O.K. This guy Richards, which is a pen name for an apparent
gestapo official, left over from the Second War, is not to be
trusted! The books that *are* to be trusted are Anthony Summers',
the -- I believe the name of his book is *The Rescue of the
Tsar*... [*The File on the Tsar* by Anthony Summers & Tom
Mangold, New York: Harper & Row, 1976]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...and another book -- I don't know the author -- but it's called
*Imperial Agent*. And it tells how the Tsar, the Tsarina, and the
children were rescued through Vladivostok. And they went all the
way around, with a British cruiser, ended at Malta. And the Tsar
and his wife and the children took up residence in Poland. And
Alexei was given a false name -- Michael Golenieski. He was
trained in Marxism, and became a top Polish Intelligence official
at the time, right after the Second War, when Russia took over
the Warsaw government.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And so he knew all the Soviet spies, which he successfully
identified -- including, I think there was a spy who purportedly
was a Swede, name (if my memory serves) Wennerstrom.
But there's things published. So anybody named Richards that says
that he's a charlatan, doesn't know.
Besides which, in '70, there was a raft of British documents
released which the *Tribune*, in a wire service story, referred
to -- that I sent you a copy of, O.K.?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And these documents show it is most likely that the Tsar and the
family were rescued.
And the name of William Wiseman, a U.S. diplomat (I don't have
the article in front of me; I sent it to you)... But William
Wiseman, he was given money to facilitate this by President
Woodrow Wilson. That's referred to in the article.
So anybody that says that Alexei is a charlatan and a fraud does
not know the pertinent details.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Well...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I spent two entire days questioning him. The man has got a
*profound* understanding of American history. For example, he
knows about the Alaska purchase in 1867, how it was done at
midnight. And it was called, "Seward's Folly".
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Yeah, O.K. It's fairly well-known it's called "Seward's
Folly", but as far as it bein' done at midnight, I had never
heard that.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Oh yeah. It was done through a strange bank in D.C. at midnight.
Alexei has got a profound understanding of history.
And the reason, the reason... And when you read this article,
that the *Tribune* has never recanted or renounced, you'll see
why. Because *if*, if the major media were to reveal this major
fraud of the 20th century, they'd have to re-do a lot of history
books. Why? The Romanov family -- not as the Tsar, but the
private gold fortune...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, it went to Rockefeller.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. To the Chase Bank, which later became the Chase Manhattan
Bank.
If you know anything about numbers and compound interest, that
$400 million, at $20 an ounce [in 1918]...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...and now it's $376 an ounce, for gold. And *compounded*
interest -- that money there is more than the whole bank! You see
what I mean? And the Rockefellers, right after these documents
came out, in '70 -- released after 50 years, by the British
government -- is when they made the fraudulent movie, "Nicholas
and Alexandra". And at the close of it they show the Tsar and his
family getting shot against a wall in a basement in
Ekaterinberg, Siberia.
Across the road from where the Tsar and his family were kept was
a house, occupied by British Intelligence. You understand? The
British royal family and the Tsar are cousins. They saved 'em!
Read this article when you get it in the mail. You'll see the
point.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, all right. You know, this is somethin' that I really
hadn't...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
[*Sotto voce*] If you put this on Internet, you may cause...
*This*... You can quote me: My opinion is that this is one of the
great historical frauds of the 20th century.
And when you read the article... Whoever did the article from UPI
even *quotes* an American retired diplomat, who says... He gives
some reasons, there, *why* the British and American government
want this hushed up. *And*, if you're a scholar of history, you
know that when the Russians made a peace treaty with the Germans,
early in 1917, called the Brest-Litovsk agreement?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
*Part* of it has been secret ever since! This article refers to
it. There is a section of that secret understanding, which...
It's an agreement between the oncoming Bolshevik government, and
the Germans and others, that forevermore it will be kept secret
that the Tsar and his family were, in fact, rescued. They were
not killed. But that, they will release details as if they were
murdered.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right. Along those lines, I've heard it said by some people
that this whole Bolshevik Revolution was really part of Wall
Street's plan or something.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
All right. Wall Street and the... I think the name of the book is
*Wall Street and the Rise of the Bolsheviks* by Antony Sutton.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
*There*, he goes into the documented study how those at the tip
of Manhattan, on Wall Street, *financed* Lenin. And in fact, he
refers to old issues of the *New York Times* of 1918 where it was
*admitted* that millions and millions of dollars in gold went
from Wall Street to finance the Bolshevik government as... Well,
the British financed the Kerensky government, which forced out
the, forced the Tsar to abdicate. And until he died in 1959...
Kerensky came to the United States. And he was a British agent.
But he didn't pull the government together. And then he was
replaced by the Bolsheviks, who were financed by American big
business!
It's a documented thing; it's not subject to rumors; it's
actually so.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right, why did they do that? Why would they finance a
communist revolution?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well... The right wing has explained it again and again. I did an
interview with a known author there. I forget his name, but I did
a 5-minute interview which I ran a few months ago. Some... I'm
not an expert on philosophy, so, uh he described it as a Hegelian
principle.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Last time we talked...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
"Antithesis for the purposes of synthesis."
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. Yeah. All right. Yeah, that makes sense.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In other words, they own both sides.
I know, you're gonna have to scratch your head and review what
has happened with the Moscow government, since '89. In other
words, were the Soviets "the big, bad wolf" for 40 years in order
to help the American defense industry? Played up here...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...that "their submarines are off-shore" and "their bombers are
threatening us" and "blah blah" and "blah-blah". And then all of
a sudden, the Moscow government disintegrated.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
By the way: I don't know if you saw Internet this morning.
Somebody called me up, very early.
Reuters, or some...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! With the Missing in Action? The congressman found those
Vietnam veterans. Is that it?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No, no.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
It is not in the American press, *yet*. So far as I know. But
Reuters, or somebody, interviewed that guy Leeson.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Leeson, yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Barings Bank.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He says that *if* they proceed to prosecute him, or try to send
him back to Singapore (where, he says they will murder him in
Singapore)... But if they try to prosecute him, he will name
names, that the top-most level of the British government is in
this deal involved, that they okayed it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right. And that's on Reuters then.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I think it's Reuters. Somebody read it to me very early in the
morning. From Internet. It was posted on Internet.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Did they happen to say which newsgroup it was in?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh... I think they said Reuters, but I wouldn't bet on it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
But the point is, this guy Leeson (if we are to believe him) is
threatening to bring down the London government. The French
government is about to be toppled because of the spy scandal. The
Rome government has been decimated by all those big shots being
hauled away to the jail in Milan.
Now, as a result (thanks to you) of my items being on Internet, I
have gotten to know chief researchers in the financial field,
worldwide, who call me, and use their conference facilities to
put me in touch with other guys worldwide, and such. And the
consensus is, that the American press is not giving the reasons
for the collapse of the dollar. Which is ongoing this morning,
you know?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The reason that the Europeans give is that they have advance,
inside information, that in the next 90 days will be the downfall
of the Clinton White House, because of the expected indictment of
Hillary.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
How is the press... You know, the press has kind of been ignoring
this for so long. How is the press gonna suddenly do an about-
face on this? And...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well you gotta... Let me explain the position of people that I
know on the different exchanges, the Merck, and the Big Board,
and so on.
They says, "Skolnick. I help you with your information. Don't
tell me what's gonna be next month. Tell me what's gonna be
*tonight*! Call me at home, so that I can do something at the
opening of the markets tomorrow."
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[Laughs]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I says, "I'll tell ya what's gonna be in six..."
"I don't wanna hear it, Skolnick. You owe me a favor, Skolnick. I
helped you with this, this, and this. And a friend of mine in the
media gave you that story, so many years ago. Hey! You owe me
one."
I says, "Yeah, tell me." I says, "I'm not in the business of
bartering or brokering financial information, because that would
get me into financial interest. I have no financial interest in
this, and then and therefore I do my best to stay objective."
You see what I mean?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
But there are *some* that have been quietly interviewing most of
the most knowledgeable people -- not just me, but others all over
the world -- about the Whitewater thing and the possibility of
Hillary getting indicted, for the purpose of trying to figure out
where the market is and whether it will go beyond 4200 on the
Dow-Jones, and so on. I'm talking about chief researchers of
major brokerages that have -- I don't know what the word is --
befriended me, became acquainted with me... you know.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
They believe (some of 'em) that their European colleagues have
got inside information about Kenneth Starr, the independent
prosecutor, about to "drop the boom" or leak out stuff about
Hillary, which will roil up our central government and make
Clinton to be more of a wimp than he is, so that nobody that's a
diplomat will wanna shake hands with him on-camera anymore. You
know what I'm sayin'?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I notice he doesn't go abroad very much. I don't know if
you've...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well that's because nobody... [*sotto voce*] The chief currency
traders that I have talked to... Hey! I've been doin' this since
'58. I will never mention who they are. Doesn't matter *who*
calls me up and says, "Skolnick. You've gotta tell me who they
are." I will *not* to say who they are! Their names, and details
of where they're located, are confidential.
But they say that their colleagues in Europe are convinced that
there will be a downfall of the American central government in 90
days. In any case, by June. And so, they are dumping the dollar.
And as much as the federal reserve drops money down that rathole,
it only makes matters worse. It just gets worse, and worse, and
worse, and worse.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. Do you foresee a military coup of some sort?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, you're gonna find this, also, very odd. But... I talk to
everybody. And I have been... I and associates of mine have been
put in touch with certain retired Generals, who -- are not to be
quoted!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
But they talk, off-the-record, along the lines of the Admirals
and Generals that are named, by names, in the book *Silent Coup*.
He says there was 30 of 'em that overthrew Nixon. Their point, at
that time, was "It would be too messy." In other words, they,
like... They accused JFK of treason, at the Bay of Pigs. They
accused Nixon of treason with the Hanoi government. They didn't
want to stage an assassination in an open car; the public
wouldn't buy it a second time. So they set him up, with these
double-agents: James McCord and the rest of 'em.
Only the Brits wrote a paperback book about the double-agents. I
have it here. I don't remember the title. Two British writers, I
don't remember their names, wrote a paperback book about McCord
and the others being double-agents who... The guard there took
the tape off the door...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, that's...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And McCord put the tape back! So...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
...Yeah...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...there was somebody in the building! He put the tape back on
the door lock again. Did you see...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
McCord and them guys wanted to get caught!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, that's fairly well known.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And I think I told you. Did I send you the thing about the plane
crash?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Uh, no you didn't. You know, I've been workin' on the
Andreuccetti case.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
All right. But anyway, I got a thing about the plane crash.
Hunt's wife had $2 million that she blackmailed off of Nixon,
'cause Hunt and his wife had inside information that Nixon was
involved in the plot against JFK in Dallas.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I take that back. You may have sent me that thing on the plane
crash.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
It's an orange-colored thing. I sent it to ya.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. I... All your stuff...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...That's O.K. It's in very small type and you didn't get around
to read it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
No. In fact, I think I even put it on the Internet, now that you
mention it.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
O.K. They got $2 million -- falsely described as "10 thou" [i.e.
10 thousand] by the press, O.K.? But the deal is, they didn't
want to blow out Nixon's brains, so they set him up at the
Watergate. And Woodward, who's...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
He's CIA, right?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Naval Intelligence.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...was the front -- not a *journalist*, understand...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And he had *all* the inside information, as if a secret contact
met him in an underground parking garage -- all of it B.S. [i.e.,
"Bullsh**"], O.K.?
*Now*, the Europeans *apparently* have... Well it was European
journalists, together with some retired CIA people, that
uncovered Clinton's secret Swiss accounts, by way of the Fuji
Bank and the Grand Caymans -- that $50 million that we described
went to Little Rock, to the Caymans, to Switzerland, and is there
in the name of Chelsea Jefferson.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right, this all ties in with the Andreuccetti case. And
that's...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
...You sent me a lot of those...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And, and, and the thing is, one of Kenneth Starr's people told me
-- not to flatter me! -- that the thing that we have been working
on -- about the 50 million?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
-- is one of the most crucial points. They've already got the
date. They know the money arrived in Little Rock and went by way
of Fuji Bank, to the Caymans and off to Switzerland. And it got
mixed in with the Mena cocaine money, O.K.? Clinton's "cut" for
the deal. All right?
The thing is, *they* claim, that if that story ever gets into the
popular press it will topple the government. That is *their*
words: "It will topple the government."
So, they didn't tell me that to flatter me. 'Cause these are
really hard-nosed investigators. You understand what I'm saying?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And, uh...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You know, I had noticed last night that, just a brief spot on,
that there's four Supreme Court justices that are under
investigation for acceptin' perks, or somethin' like that? Have
you heard anything about that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No, no.
But understand what the problem is: there's a concerted attack on
the central government. I don't want to pick up on LaRouche's
theories, I'm not a supporter of his -- I stay neutral, regarding
him.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I... I'm neutral also. He has some good ideas, but...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He claims that it's a British conspiracy.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh... It's the same thing as Watergate. You know what I mean?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
They want Clinton out.
Hey, look how many months it took for Watergate.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, that dragged on.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...March of '73, to August of '74. And as you... As I have told
you, I got inside information from a top journalist, whose editor
killed a story about Spiro Agnew. And I was 6 months ahead of the
parade. And I must be a good 6 months -- oh, I'm at least a
*year* or more ahead of the parade on the Al Gore scandal.
And notice, the *Wall Street Journal* is going at the *third*-in-
command, the Speaker of the House, Gingrich.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I just got the *Journal* just now. I was just out gettin' it. So
I haven't read it yet.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well not today, but in the past they've run very negative stories
about Gingrich.
So in other words, they've got enough goods to terminate the 3
top people of our government: the President, the Vice-President,
the Speaker of the House. And what they want to do is cause a bad
situation where they can put in Jay Rockefeller. Remember, they
had a plan to put in Nelson...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I remember that, O.K.? And what? They were first gonna get
rid of Al Gore and then Jay Rockefeller was gonna come in and...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I'll tell ya somethin': in '75, I had the same recorded lines,
you know?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And every one of my lines... At the time, I had older equipment,
that required more phones. I had 30 lines coming in to "1100"
[i.e., 312-731-1100], O.K.? They were *all* *blocked*! Because I
was running accurate stories about 3 genuine plots against Gerald
Ford. Um... "Squeeky"...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Fromme.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...Fromme. Uh... that other woman. What the Hell was her name
there?
There were 3 genuine plots. And the secret [Secret]... I called
up a friend of mine, in the media, that I know. And he says,
"Skolnick. You're on the *top* of the Security Index. It's a
wonder that there's anything still going at your house, *any*
kind of a utility." I was gonna picket the phone company, in '75.
It was just no way... There was no way that... At the time I had
about 35 lines, total. I got newer equipment now, that drops the
lines quicker and therefore I don't need that many lines, see?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And there was no way that anybody could reach my message, during
that period when we ran exclusive stories about the plots against
Gerald Ford.
But what I'm *getting* to is, if there's something happened to
Gerald Ford, who was the un-elected Vice-President? Nelson
Rockefeller!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Do you see the point?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. And then... Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So in other words, there was a scheme to put in Nelson
Rockefeller as the un-elected... 'Cause a lot of people don't
like his name. And they don't like Jay Rockefeller, just because
of the name. Although he's very pleasant to... when you see him
on the television.
So there apparently is a plot to put in Jay Rockefeller as the
new President. So they're... They're cranking up attacks on all
three of 'em: Clinton, Gore, and Gingrich. They're gonna get rid
of all three of 'em.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. You know, I have some questions on the Andreuccetti case.
I'm slowly but surely gettin' those documents out there. I kind
of...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well what are the questions.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right. This is how I understand it so far: Andreuccetti owned
the King's Point Condominiums. And did he own some other...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, they are 5 buildings. I don't know how many dozen...
hundred... apartments, that are, over here, called
"condominiums".
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
They're giant buildings, O.K.? In a whole development there.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And when the gold was purportedly put under Building Four...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. So that this is...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The cement trucks that came there were pouring cement like the
cement was going all the way down to China.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
So there's... You mean there's also this thing with the gold, all
right? And that gold was what? The gold that was smuggled out of
Italy?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. And the one that was part of that unit, keeps, on purpose,
running into me: Illinois appellate court judge Anthony Scariano,
a former sergeant in the O.S.S. And he was part of the unit that
had the gold in a cave! In the last twenty-some odd years, since
1973 (that's 22 years), I have interviewed most of the members of
his unit. Scariano survived *five* military and civil
investigations in the 12 years following '44, when the gold
disappeared.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
So that's the reason...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And then he came up to me, two years ago, in the presence of two
of my friends -- one of 'em being Andreuccetti -- and says,
"Skolnick, I saw your T.V. show," (this was... We did a T.V. show
in... We *taped* it in October of '92). He says, "There's some
inaccuracies there."
I says, "Well, Tony, I don't have no case pending in your court.
So you could talk to me. What's inaccurate?"
So he turns to federal district judge Hubert Will, a senior,
semi-retired judge who was walking with him -- and ran *right*
into my wheelchair, on purpose or otherwise -- and he turns to
him and he says, "Well. Skolnick's show referred to two people in
my unit that murdered the Major and dumped him in a lake."
And then he went on to describe him. And from that I got to
understand that Tony and others felt it was justified to murder
the Major. Because the gold in the cave... The Major was gonna do
what some would consider treason. He was gonna turn over the
Italian gold to the *partisans*, the Italian... uh, the
*communistas*, the Italian Communist Party!
So Tony turned to Judge Will. So now here's two CIA guys: Judge
Will, before taking the bench, had been head of counter-
intelligence in Europe, for CIA. O.K.?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So here's these two CIA guys walking through the lobby of the
courthouse, and they walk *right* into me, on purpose or
otherwise, and he starts talkin' to me about the show we did
about the gold under Andreuccetti's building, see?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So he made a, he made a -- what do you call it? He made an
apology for the thing. Like it was justified. That *his* *people*
were justified in murdering the Major and moving away the gold,
'cause the Major, the head of the unit in charge of this cave
full of gold, was gonna turn over the gold to the Italian
Communist Party.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. But they kept the gold for themselves though.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No, no, no...
The gold had been gathered up from the Vatican, from King
Emmanuel. The House of Savoy. Because at the close of the war,
King Emmanuel's property in Italy was forfeited. The details of
how the new parliament in Rome forfeited his property started to
be run in the book, a reference book called *Statesman: 1946*.
And part of it is re-printed in the '72 issue of *Statesman*. If
you get to a good reference library, you can see that. The House
of Savoy.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Who is an heir to the House of Savoy? Joseph Andreuccetti.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. The plot thickens. Let me just run through a few basic
questions though here...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
All right. Well let me just tell you one more detail.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The reason they've kept Joe [i.e., Joseph Andreuccetti] in court,
going on the eleventh year, is they wanted to tie up his
signature. Now if you understand law, you would see the point. A
person's signature has no financial validity when there is a
bankruptcy trustee in charge of you. If you get pushed into
bankruptcy, your signature is crap! You can't *do* anything with
it, financially. So that the trustee...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Jay Steinberg?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...Jay Steinberg,
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...Hopkins & Sutter, RTC, the $50 million transfer, and all of
it... The reason they keep Joe pending in court is, it continues
to invalidate his signature.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
O.K.? It's his signature that is so damn important.
Then, when you compare that with the Lynette Redmer interview
(which the government has threatened me over, which they got an
injunction against me and Joe over it), you can see what the
importance is.
And there is Scariano, part of that O.S.S. unit, O.K.? He turns
to this CIA intelligence chief, Judge Will, and he starts
referring to "Skolnick's cable TV show". In my presence! In the
presence of Joe and another associate.
Do you see the point?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Uh... It's a complex case, O.K.? And I'm workin' on it. And I'm
goin' through the court documents. And I got the, I jumped ahead
to the *last* documents and put them out, because it seemed to me
that...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Listen. I'm thinking about writing a book. I'm working on a more
detailed story for *Media Bypass*.
[CN -- *Media Bypass* is a magazine, as I recall, handled
independently by Tom Valentine, host of *Radio Free America*.
It has no direct connection to *Spotlight*, to my knowledge.
Skolnick's article, to appear in the next issue as I
understand, deals with the Whitewater scandal. Skolnick has
said he would send me a copy, but even if he remembers to
send me a copy of it, I hesitate to distribute it, due to a
recent "learning experience" I had in regard to my
distribution of what I believed to be a summary of another
author's material. So -- bottom line -- if you can find the
magazine, read Skolnick's article. I will do what I can about
trying to possibly summarize Skolnick's article, but I can't
guarantee I will be doing so soon, if at all.]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The point of the thing is, the largest bank in Italy, owned in
part by the Pope, has got an office here, O.K.? Banca Nazionale
de Lavoro.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Banca Nazionale de Lavoro.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Now if you knew banking, you would see my point. I'll make the
point, it'll be on the tape, and you can study it.
The bank has the most sound collateral in the world. They have
got it in with this gold, which is good collateral. Do you know
what I mean? It's like...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! Sure.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
They got, like, a warehouse receipt. It's not like a federal
reserve note, that's got nothin' behind it. Their -- whatever you
wanna call it -- their IOUs, that they issue as bank notes, from
this bank, with the branch in Chicago, is secretly backed up by
the gold that's under the ground in Building Four! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I told ya what happened before our show went on the air! One
member of the London gold pool admitted it to me later. He, at
great expense, he came with a giant back-hoe and started digging,
for no other good reason, behind Building Four.
I interviewed the president of the condo association. And she
took me over, behind Building Four, and she says, "Look where
they were digging over here. It didn't make any sense! There's
nothing going on. Why were they digging?"
They were digging for a whole week, uh -- starting the day after
we *taped* the show! Before the damn show even went on the air,
they were already diggin' a big hole there -- see?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
But what they found out [laughs]... I brought a hydraulic expert
to look at the place. There's an artificial lake near that
development, *and*, like the Pyramids of thousands of years ago,
there's a *trick*, see? If you try to get to the gold, you get
drowned. This artificial lake will get ya. It's hooked up by a
special device there. 'Cause right across the road from the
Kingspoint Condominiums is this artificial lake. And so, if you
try to get at the gold, you need to know the trick, see?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The lake will suddenly drown you, underneath there! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, there's some kind of a mine out in Nova Scotia or somethin'
that's kind of the same way; that they discovered some mine...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I brought some of the leading hydraulic experts in the world to
look at the thing, and they agree with me. I'm the first one that
looked at the lake and says, "Hey. I'm not a hydraulic expert.
What's with this lake!?" [laughs] So they noticed that there's
some kind of a trap door underneath one of the laundry rooms in
one of the buildings.
Anyways... Hey! If I write a book about it, it'll be astounding,
I'm telling you.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! You ought to!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
A friend of mine contacted Oliver Stone, who knows me, and
they're thinkin' about makin' a movie about it. It, it's very
interesting.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. With Christian Henning, jr., O.K.? He's the godson and
nephew of Archbishop Paul Marcinkus...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Did you hear that interview we did with the consul-general of
Italy?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! That went out. That went out, I sent that out. I'm workin'
on... Did you get the, I sent you some information.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, I got it. I didn't look it over. It just arrived in the
mail. Thank you, very much.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. I'll send ya some more.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The point is that, Marcinkus is the key. They want... [*sotto
voce*] He's here, supposedly with diplomatic protection. The
Vatican is not Italy. And Italy is not the Vatican. The Vatican
is a separate sovereignty...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...within Italy. Do you see what I'm sayin'?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
And so, Italy wants him?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. Italy wants him on a thing left over from Michele Sindona.
His son, Nino Sindona, has been an export-import agent in
Chicago. And... Well... The guy that traded on the markets for
Michele Sindona has been trying to "put the arm on" [i.e.,
pressure], on Andreuccetti. It's a long story, separate by
itself. Just take my word, at the moment, that we got a lot of
details about that.
Sindona is mentioned in detail in Luigi DiFonzo's book, Luigi
DiFonzo's book, *St. Peter's Banker*.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
You can read about Michele Sindona. He was the Pope's banker. And
he was murdered in an Italian jail, after being extradited from
the United States.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And so we have Christian Henning, jr., uh, and he
represented himself as being in business with Andreuccetti and
got a loan...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Falsely!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah... falsely, yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Illinois law requires a written partnership: there is no such
thing.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And but he got a loan, using Andreuccetti's property as
collateral?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. And *then*, two other guys, one a bankruptcy auctioneer,
bought the building in his own name -- not as an auctioneer, but
in his own name. And...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
That was Lieberman.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Wallace Lieberman and Robert Belavia, a known gangster.
Read the interview with Redmer.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! All right, well where is the interview with her? Do you
have that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I sent it to you! It's... You got it already.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You mean those court documents.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
You see there that her... She was part of the unit investigatin'
'em, and her higher-ups corruptly sped up the thing, to put him
away.
Lieberman was murdered... You see it there, right before...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Yeah. In Cicero. Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...in '91. Thereafter, all the land titles disappeared; you can't
find 'em on Chicago Title or where the trust was, with LaSalle
Bank.
You know what a land title is?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Uh, it just show who owns the property, right?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. It disappeared!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
O.K.? You can't... When you go down there and inquire, they says,
"Oh, uh... 'glitch'. We can't find it anymore."
Hey. Notice what Redmer says: she said that her higher-ups in the
Regional Director's Office of the IRS *personally* stole the
property.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Do ya see the point!?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Uh it's a complex case, O.K.? And I'm tryin' to, you know, sort
it all out. And like I said...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
All right... Read the two-page story that I wrote about it, that
I sent you.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
"The Mysterious 50 Million Dollars". Read it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I did, you know? And it's, you know I...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
If you don't understand it, there's even skilled lawyers that
need a little help! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. I'm tryin' to sort it all out and get the picture here.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
This is a sophisticated scam!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Oh it's, I mean, the thing is just huge, you know? And it doesn't
just...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well Banco Lavoro is using the gold as collateral. That's number
one.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Nobody in Congress will mention Banco Lavoro, Chicago. Nobody!
Uh, what else? The $50 million is related to it, and that got
wound in with Clinton.
Clinton is "up the wall" because -- uh the scandal involving
Clinton also involves Ollie North and Bush, who are Republicans!
So [laughs]... there's a complication.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And this Gierum confession: do you have a copy of that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh, part of it was put in the court record. I'll have to find
that page and send it to ya.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. 'Cuz I'd like to get that out on the Internet if I can. And
your...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Every, almost everything I'm tellin' ya has already been in the
court record. We confronted the government and their response is
to try to get an injunction to shut us up so that we don't
interview anybody anymore!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
You know. And then there was that threat in the hallway, and so
on. I mean, somethin' about all this is bothering them. Do you
see what I'm saying?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
That's why, you know, like I say, I jumped ahead and... 'Cuz I'm
slowly typin' in these documents and gettin' 'em out there...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well... I'm workin'... I mean, you know, if there was an honest,
free press in America, I would speed up my work on a possible
book. I don't think it can be published, unless I could raise the
money for private publication. Who the Hell is gonna, among the
small number of corporations that run the book business, are
gonna commission a book on *this* subject? Come on!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You know, you might try (I was thinkin') Feral House is a small
publisher, maybe would...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Where are they at?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Offhand I don't know. I could check on it. But you know, they've
done kind of work in this. And Thunder's [Mouth]...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
You can, you can see from the details I'm givin' ya that we've
got *tons* of information. Absolutely tons.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Yeah.
And the thing is that, it should be documented and brought out
more. It might... Part of *my* hope in all this is that, you
know, *somebody* in the press -- you know, this is goin' out on
the Internet -- somebody in the press is gonna say, "Huh, there
might be a story here." You know?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah but we're going on the fifth year of our show, we have an
estimated 500,000 viewers on Monday night, and nobody that's a
TV media critic of any of the major papers here ever will mention
us, a *single* *word*!!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And yet, if you were to talk to them -- the political editor of
the *Tribune* and all of 'em -- they *all* know about our show.
But they won't say a single word. We bother them. Why? Because,
you know, we interview, we investigate the federal reserve and
the *Tribune* company and stuff like that -- we *bug* them. So
we're invisible as far as they... They want us to be invisible
and never mentioned in their newspaper.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So why would you suspect that they would pick up on this and...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Well it was my *hope* -- O.K.? -- that that would become so...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Well, you know that it becomes *so* *obvious* you know? You've
got all this stuff...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Wait 'til you see what I sent you, that was in the *Tribune* and
never withdrawn! Why does the *Tribune* continue to run these
fraudulent stories, as if the bones were examined in a mine
shaft, of the Tsarist family, when after 50 years had passed,
they released documents from the British government that the Tsar
and his family were rescued!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
It was published in *their* paper in 1970. I sent you a copy.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. You've also... You mentioned the Lincoln assassination.
This maybe is a change of subject. It's just somethin' I know a
little bit about: is, you know, that there was a higher plot
involved in that...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well read the book, *The Lincoln Conspiracy*.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You know what? I actually, I did a synopsis of that book and I
sent it out on the Internet.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well some historians question them, but it's basically true. They
question 'em about a few things there.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I don't see, you know I haven't found *any* historical book that
tries to -- except *one* book, all right? There's one book that
tries to answer that.
I mean, there's other books by, like, Otto Eisenschiml or
whatever...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, I got all of them...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...preceded this book. And the one's that criticized *Lincoln
Conspiracy*...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
They didn't know what they're talkin' about! I, from what *I*
read. I mean, I only found one book...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
There's a woman that runs a thing in, wherever the Hell it is, in
Maryland -- Surratt's [Museum]...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
She criticizes *The Lincoln Conspiracy*. But they have a
financial interest. I mean, they sell tickets so you can go and
visit their museum, see? I ain't selling tickets to anything.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. I mean, it's just, you know I bring that up because you had
mentioned that in some of your commentaries. And it's just, it's
a subject I know a little bit about, havin' looked into it. And
there's just *so* much suspicious circumstances surrounding that
assassination.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well read John Wilkes Booth's letter to a Washington, DC
newspaper, that was kept secret in the family that owned the
newspaper for 113 years. Read it. It's in that book.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Which book?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
*The Lincoln Conspiracy*.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I don't remember that one! I...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Oh yeah, yeah! And the guys that surrounded Lincoln, many of 'em
were commodities speculators. And (I don't know how to put it to
you)... Read *Julius Caesar*, by Shakespeare. Who killed Julius
Caesar? *His* *closest* *friends*.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Why? They had some interest in opposition to their friend, so
they knocked him off. They all stabbed him to death. Read *Julius
Caesar*, by Shakespeare.
And likewise, Lincoln's friends had an interest to "croak" him.
For financial reasons. They had big investments in the commodity
markets in that day.
*And*, they accused Lincoln of treason 'cuz he wanted to "bind up
the wounds"...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...and go easy on the South, which would've caused cotton
production and such to resume -- these guys were *short* in the
cotton market.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
That's my take on it too: that he was gonna let the South back in
the union, and they wanted to go down and plunder the South, is
what a powerful motive for it would be.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, if you were a legal researcher you would know that, a whole
raft of cases from the time of the Appomatox surrender [and]
thereafter, in the U.S. Supreme Court, that shows the great
opposition to accepting the Constitutional rights of rebels.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Their rights were forfeit, even after the war!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
There's a whole raft of cases that I could tell you about if you
were interested in that.
So I mean, the other angle we've been investigating for 20 years
is the fact that the Continental Bank, which was formed right
*before* the Civil War, together with the Board of Trade -- 1857
-- um... How could I put it to you? They handled the
assassination money. Let's put it to you that way.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. I've read the book, *The Lincoln Conspiracy*. There's also,
let's see...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Oh you gotta read it 10 times...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah [laughs].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
You gotta be, you gotta be a historic buff...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...to understand this. If you don't understand it the first 10
times, that's O.K.
You gotta know finance. You gotta know commodities. You gotta be
able to check with experts. You gotta... before you can
understand it! [laughs] I wish Eisenschiml was still around. He
was a... He used to get on the television 30 years ago.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
There's another book, called *Mask for Treason*...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, I got that too. Very good.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
It mentions that the, in that book there, it mentions that the
military officer who cut the military telegraph cables on the
bridge where John Wilkes Booth escaped -- there were several
bridges goin' out of DC. And on the bridge that the conspirators
selected for him to go on, they cut the telegraph cables so he
could escape? *That* *person* became the founding president of
Western Union telegraph company.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. The way I understand it is, the telegraph went out but it
was at a central location -- which is actually more ominous, you
know? It wasn't so much a thing of...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. And the guy named Lafayette C. Baker...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...who headed up what we now call the U.S. Secret Service, was
part of the plot. And likewise, the head of the U.S. Secret
Service in 1963, Rowley, was believed to be part of the plot
against JFK, 98 years later.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right, that's... I guess I'll just kind of let you go now,
O.K.? 'Cuz I...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, you're swamped with this. [laughs]
Uh, I'm planning a sizeable article for *Media Bypass* about the
Whitewater thing, and I'll send you... I'll keep you informed
about that.
Um, the thing that bugs 'em is this message we're running now.
They're, they go straight up the wall because we've got inside
information about the buying and selling of TV jobs that
absolutely... It's one of the great internal scandals of the
media. I mean, even you: You want to be a talking head on the
media?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I could tell ya... It doesn't matter. It will make your hair
blonde if it's not blonde now. And as long as you can *read*
what's on the teleprompter, you put up the price, and you become
a talking head.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You know, I... One thing I wanted to...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Oh you think I'm lying! I used to teach at a radio broadcast
school. I know a lot.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Fine. I mean, this is all, you know, stuff that I'm... I'll tell
ya: I think what you say has *merit*, O.K.? I mean, I'm not...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I have no reason to lie; why would I lie?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
No! I don't...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...this past 37 years. If I lie, I got a lot to lose. Not
financially, but the *name* I have built up over 37 years. I, I
don't do any of this or say any of this because some uh, ratings
are gonna go up or a sponsor's gonna like me better. The main
thing I have is a good name.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah I, you know, like I say -- I'm not the type of person that's
a "true believer", O.K.? That is just gonna just turn off my mind
and just accept anything somebody says...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No! I want you to ask questions. I don't want you to accept what
*I* say or what *anybody* says, just on the face of it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! That's, you know, like I say, I think what you say has got
a lot of merit, and I'm open-minded to lookin' into it further.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well just think of my background: our work has caused the largest
judicial bribery scandal in the history of the United States. So
*that* should be on the top of the list that I have no reason to
fake-up anything, you know?
Brian Francis Redman bigxc@prairienet.org "The Big C"
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Coming to you from Illinois -- "The Land of Skolnick"
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 15, 1995
On March 15, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone.
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
-- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
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CONSPIRACY NATION:
I've been readin' through some of this Tsar stuff, *The File on
the Tsar* by Anthony Summers, and, I gotta hand it to ya, it
really, to me it looks conclusive that there's been a cover-up of
some type.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
One of the biggest cover-ups of the 20th century.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I have a few questions here. There's um... O.K. My question is
regarding the educational system in this country. Because, even
today, you go to a high school and they're gonna be teachin' you
that "Oswald did it." And...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, that's because of the school textbook publishers, like
Scott-Foresman(sp?), which is in a northwest suburb of Chicago.
They're part of the establishment. They're tied in with the
banking interests, and uh, they speak for the establishment.
Would you want them to tell the truth about things? They're not
gonna tell the truth about what happened to the Tsar and his
family, what brought on Pearl Harbor, what the Dallas
assassination of JFK was about, or *any* of that. They've even
lied about what brought on the First World War! They've lied
about the sinking of the Lusitania and so on -- there's a book on
that by a fellow named uh, Simpson I think, that tells what the
Lusitania was really about. [It] was carrying munitions and so
on. And the British navy withdrew all protection and allowed the
Lusitania to be at the mercy of German submarines.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. But my question is more...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So in other words, the educational system, from top to bottom,
with their textbooks and everything there, lied. And the
teachers... Well some teachers depart from their textbooks, but
generally not. They're criticized if they depart from the
curriculum.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. But my view on this is that it would be more of a top-down
thing; that you've got, at the highest level you've got so-called
"experts" who *do* know a lot about this sort of thing, but that
they're more or less paid to lie about it. And because they're
the authorities, it goes top-down, and...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, that's true. But it goes through the financial connections
of the textbook publishers and, uh... For example, a person is
hard-put to find, in the United States, books... like *British*
school books on U.S. history telling *their* viewpoint of what
brought on the American Revolutionary War. I've been looking all
these years; you can't find it anywhere. The nearest to it was
some book that came out a few years ago, written about some of
those that fled the colonies to England, and *their* viewpoints.
In other words, I wanted a balanced account of things. And you
don't get it from the run-of-the-mill books -- whether textbooks
or whatever.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. There's a book called *Universities and the Capitalist
State* by Clyde Barrow [University of Wisconsin Press at Madison]
that, along these lines, it kind of traces the encroachment of
the government into the university system; where, say, in the
last century, universities were a lot more autonomous. But then
the government, through, say, the Carnegie...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, the best book on this subject is by James Ridgeway, called
*The Closed Corporation*. It came out of the '60s. It's as
accurate as if it was published yesterday. It tells about all
these universities and their tie-in to corporate interests. So
that supports what you're saying.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
So, in other words, you would say it's just kind of a scam,
basically. I mean, there may be honest researchers in the
educational establishment, but it's basically...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, some of the more prominent professors make twice, and three
times, and four times as much as outside consultants to major
corporations. During the Vietnam War, the University of Chicago
and other places had various professors that were consultants to
the Defense Department on how to make better bombs, how to bomb
Vietnam flat to the ground, and you know, stuff like that. Could
they, in their classes, teach something that caused people to
open their mind as to what was causing the Vietnam War? *I* don't
think so. Not while they're making hundreds of thousands of
dollars [in] consulting fees for the Defense Department.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah it's, this is just somethin' it kinda dawned on me -- O.K.?
-- that the educational establishment was part of the system of
repression, it seemed to me. But it took me awhile to see that,
that these people, a lot of 'em had a vested interest in seein'
things a certain way.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, *The Closed Corporation* has, from time to time, been
available in paperback. It's, it may have been re-printed. I
strongly suggest that you go to some used bookstore and find a
copy. Because the information that's there is still good
information. And it'd be wonderful to have that circulate on
Internet, for people to consider what the heck some of our
universities are into.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And you know, something I've also noticed is, I'm fortunate
that I live about 2 blocks from a library here. And they're
hooked up by computer to other libraries: so if *that* library
doesn't have the book, I can get it through inter-library loan.
And yet, there are books that just, they don't show up on the
computer. I'm thinkin' of...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
You want a short list of books like that?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Those that don't show up, that you have some trouble finding?
Gustavus Myers...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
*The Great American Fortunes*. You oughtta read that.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Almost every great American fortune is based on criminal
enterprises.
Then there's the book, by the same author, *The History of the
Supreme Court*. Which, in some ways the title is a little, sounds
limited. The book, *The History of the Supreme Court*, is
actually a history of the legal system of the United States. And
it shows that the Supreme Court has been run by liars and fakers
all the years, who had vested interests in what they were doing.
Including Chief Judge John Marshall, whose picture hangs with a
gold frame in most law schools. He was one of the biggest fakers
of all, and he made decisions favoring his own family regarding
Fairfax County and their connection to the British!
So I mean that's, those are two books right there.
A third book, that is *suppressed* altogether in the United
States is *Farewell, America* by James Hepburn.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
That book -- a bestseller in Europe, in 14 languages -- was not
allowed, over the years, to be sold when it came out, in
bookstores, in the United States.
So if someone says, "Oh, well, there's a free press in America."
-- *False*. There are hard-hitting books that are not allowed to
be circulated here. And that is one of 'em.
The book, *Farewell, America*, tells about the high-level plot,
involving the oil companies and others, to assassinate John F.
Kennedy. And the oil companies saw to it that the book was not
allowed to be brought into the United States. There were only two
people that circulated the books -- that were *not* bookstores!
You're talking to one of 'em. In the '70s, I used to carry
suitcases of those books, that we smuggled in from Canada. And I
used to give 'em away at college speeches that I gave, in return
for small donations. I was one of the only ones that was able to
get the books into the United States. In *fact*, the Post Office
so knew about it that all you had to do, in the '70s, was put on
an envelope "Farewell, America -- Chicago, Illinois" and that
envelope would arrive right in my mailbox. You didn't even have
to spell "Farewell" correct...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Um-hmm [understands].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...and it would arrive, right here.
But it just is an example of the fact that, there is no free
press; the universities are not free and open markets of ideas;
and the textbook publishers are fakers; and teachers, to keep
their jobs and not to get into trouble, follow a curriculum that
is often riddled with textbooks that are frauds! I know that's a
broad, general statement...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
No. You know, in... Well *I'm* the one that brought it up...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In other words, I could help prove that -- that's a broad,
general statement -- but I could fill it in with nitty-gritty --
you know what I mean? -- with nuts and bolts, to prove that
that's so.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Because I had asked recently, regarding the Kennedy
assassination, just out of curiosity, if they're still, in the
high schools, they're still teaching that "Oswald did it." And my
information is that, yeah, indeed, that's what they're sayin'.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Twenty-five years ago I taught, during the Vietnam War, at a
radio broadcast school in Chicago, O.K.? And my course was
popular. It was called "Civic Investigation". And I taught, "How
You Uncover Information" -- showing who the war-mongerers are,
even those that live in Chicago that are in the bomb and bullet
business -- You know what I'm sayin'?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
-- that *profit* from the bloodshed in Vietnam.
After two semesters, my course was "X'd out". Even though it was
very popular with the students.
So I mean that's, that's just a small example of what uh, the
things are at. In other words, teachers that try to open the
minds of students are rare. We had a rare one, a rare professor,
on our TV program recently: Professor John Goldsmith...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I saw that! He was from the University of Chicago. I've got...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Wasn't that a wonderful program?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I tell ya, one of my readers -- O.K.? -- has been very nice and
has been making copies of your shows and sending 'em to me. And
your program is just astounding. It... I'm gonna try and get it
aired down here on the public access.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
O.K. Did you happen to know or see the program we did -- we were
the only ones in the United States, so far as I know, that put
portions of the suppressed documentary, on the television, called
"ZR Rifle".
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Haven't seen it, no.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
That one, it was made in Havana and showed on Cuban television --
was not allowed to be even *considered* in the United States! --
and told about how Chicago gangsters were part, were directly
among the shooters that shot at Kennedy in Dealey Plaza at the
auspices of the CIA. O.K.? And we were the only ones, so far as I
know, that got that ["ZR Rifle"] on the air in the United States.
We did. On our program.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I, you know, maybe if you re-run it I'll get a chance to see it.
Like I say, I've been fortunate enough to have seen... I like the
one on the Helen Brach story, where you had that lady on [who]
was talkin' about the...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, right. They talk about the horse rackets as if it's minor
matters, when it's a very broad, what we call in our thing,
"horse mafia".
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
We try to tell the truth. But you know somethin'? That doesn't
make us out to be popular with the popular press. Here in
Chicago, it's almost forbidden for anybody on other television
stations, or in the print media, to utter a single word about the
existence of our program, even though we have over a half a
million viewers on Monday night. We're invisible as far as the
press is concerned. They're forbidden to say a single word, even
*for* us or *against* us. How do ya like that?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Well, you know, having read *The Media Monopoly* by Ben Bagdikian
and *Manufacturing Consent* by Noam Chomsky, I'm not that
surprised. They seem to do this routinely.
Regarding, say, the other panelists on the show: all of 'em seem
very knowledgeable people -- Marc Sato, Jim Reis...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well Jim Reis is an unusual stockbroker who risks his career, on
our program as well as his own program called "Wall Street Lies".
He tells about the frauds of Wall Street. And, he's on twice a
week, on his program.
And our moderator, Cliff Kelley, was formerly a Chicago alderman,
who was framed and sent to jail in order to undermine the power
of the first black Mayor in Chicago, Harold Washington -- who,
because of our investigations, we believe that Harold Washington
was murdered in 1987.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
That was gonna be one of my questions. Because in your
commentaries you've said that Harold Washington was murdered with
a poisoned cup of coffee.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Oh yeah! Well I interviewed everybody that pertains to the thing.
I've got, even the doctors from the hospital on tape. But I
promised them that during my lifetime -- or *their* lifetime --
that the tape will not be released, even if those in the media
call me a liar.
But the doctors... Northwestern Memorial Hospital is a half a
block away from channel 2 television [CBS affiliate] in Chicago,
WBBM-TV. And the doctors that worked on -- well, they worked on
Harold's dead body, just to appease the public. He was already
dead when he hit the floor in his office, O.K.?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
They [the doctors] walked over to the television station and
talked to the higher-ups, that the Mayor's been poisoned! What
shall we do? And they invoked "national security". Having worked
at a radio broadcast school, I know certain things about
"national security" and broadcasters that are generally not
discussed. They have an unwritten rule that *if* a well-known
black dies, under odd circumstances, they are to, that evening,
quietly go on the air and say, "Such and such person died of a
heart attack."
So if Dr. King was "blown away" on a balcony *today*, tonight,
they would quietly say, "He died of a heart attack in the
hospital." Why? Because of the riots in 103 cities in April of
1968 when King was assassinated. That is when the broadcast
policy was quietly invoked.
And so they invoked that policy against going on the air. I got
the story, about Harold [Washington] being poisoned, on the air,
on a, on *two*, black radio stations in Chicago. And the news
director of one called me up after three days running the story
and says, "We can't go any further, Mr. Skolnick."
I said, "Have you shown that the story is false?"
She says, "No. No."
But the major broadcasters, like WGN radio, which is tied in with
the *Tribune* company, have got a very great influence here and
they called the stations and said, "If you run Skolnick's story,
*you* are gonna lose your license." Why? Because they've got the
power with the FCC, that's why.
And so, that is what happened.
A network newswoman that I know *told* me that she verified that
Harold *was*, Harold Washington *was* poisoned. And she verified
it from her own medical sources and took it up with her editor in
Washington. And the story never ran.
I'm the only one that went with the story. It ran with the major
Japanese newswire service, JIJI Press Agency. It ran in the
second largest newspaper in Australia, and elsewhere. *But*, in
Chicago and elsewhere, if they mention me at all, they call me a
liar -- and I don't care! I mean, I know I told the truth. I
interviewed everybody; I did everything what a good journalist.
In April of '91 we did a show on our television about it, and a
week later, the FBI planted a story at the *Sun-Times* that there
had been plots to assassinate Harold Washington, but that the FBI
was too busy to go into it and turned it over to the Secret
Service, that didn't pursue it.
So they knew that there were plots against Harold Washington.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Who would ya think would be behind that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, three or four forces, generally:
The New York bankers, the Rockefellers and others. Harold did an
odd thing for a Mayor: he said, as a black man, that he was gonna
give an equal chance to yellow-skinned bankers that wanted the
city's business. Like Mitsubishi Bank. And the Rockefeller
bankers, the Anglo-Saxon types, took great offense to that.
Further, he was going to take over the steam-generating plants of
Commonwealth Edison, one of the largest nuclear energy electric
companies in the United States. And he says their steam-
generating plant within the city limits had been paid for, or
fully amortized, and that he could bring electricity to Chicago
as a municipal electric company -- instead of Edison, because
their franchise was about to expire in 1989, two years after
Harold was elected.
But he was gonna bring electricity to Chicago for as little as
$10 a month for a household. It so happens that Commonwealth
Edison -- among the largest stockholders (according to government
documents) is the Pope, O.K.? An "absentee owner". He doesn't
care *how* high the electric rates are in Chicago.
So those are two, uh...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Motives.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...two motives for "knocking him off". And they used the
traditional dark ages, medieval method of the Catholic hierarchy:
the poisoned cup of coffee. The Borgias and the Medicis, the
poisoned cup of... You know what I mean.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
That's different than blowing out his brains in an open car like
they did with Kennedy. You see what I'm saying? And I know a lot
about it; I can go on for hours relating all the details that we
compiled from 1987 until now, *proving* without a shadow of a
doubt that our first black Mayor was assassinated.
Who was involved? One of those that came often to Chicago was
Major General Secord, whose name came up in the Iran-Contra
thing.
The press did not mention that when his body hit the floor there
was a national alert in 14 states, centered on Chicago, with the
national guard. Not a word in the press. When his body hit the
floor, a military helicopter appeared over the City Hall. And
things of that sort. None of that ever got into the press.
His body was removed from the city that night. I interviewed the
morticians that were involved; they wanted his body *out* of the
legal jurisdiction here, until the funeral. *That*, and thousands
of other details, would, would convince...
Also! I interviewed, on tape, the top honchos of ABC's local
station, WLS-TV, channel 7 in Chicago. And they admitted, and I
have... that they admitted that four doctors from the hospital
called them and said that Skolnick's story is *correct*! O.K.?
And, but they never put it on the air. I played that tape on
*two* of the black radio stations in Chicago, O.K.? So at least
the black community has heard that tape. It's one of the top
honchos of channel 7 admitting that my story is correct, O.K.?
I've done everything as a good journalist. I, the popular press,
they've gone along with all these things about "Oswald did it
alone," "Harold Washington died of a heart attack" -- all those
frauds upon the people. It's uh... And then they carry it over
into their textbooks, also. You know.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. There was this guy by the name of Nelson Algren, O.K.? He
wrote, he was a Chicago...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
*The Man With The Golden Arm*. [CN -- also, *A Walk On The Wild
Side*]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, yeah.
You kind of bring me to mind of that. Because, the way I
understand it, Nelson Algren's books were very popular
internationally. And yet, from what I've heard, you would go into
a Chicago library and you couldn't find it.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
That's true.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. So I mean, it...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He was a *persona non grata* in Chicago.
And until I got on the television show in '91, the only way I
could come before the public was my 5-minute recorded message,
which we have been running since 1971.
I started the recorded message because they blanked me out. In
the late '60s and early '70s, I was a news media hero as long as
I was involved *only* in attacking Democrat judges and voting
cases, O.K.? The minute I went after other, you know, on a non-
partisan basis, both corrupt Democrat *and* Republican judges in
the court, I got into trouble. Then I started, with my
associates, an investigation of the CIA and FBI "assets" in the
media -- former CIA people sitting as anchor people in Chicago --
I named them. I got "on the outs" with the media and they blanked
me out. By 1971, it's as if I disappeared from the world.
And I used to be on... I had my own radio show. I was on
practically every week for 40 seconds or so on the evening news
on something that I was involved in. It was common to hold press
conferences on the lawn in front of my house at the drop of a
hat. I was popular with the media.
But when I started to investigate who the *media* is, I got
blanked out.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And so I started Hotline News as a recorded commentary [(312)
731-1100]. And now it's one of the biggest of its kind. It's not
a 900 number; it's a regular phone number.
And *then*, in February '91, I got to know a guy that was doing
access, public access TV shows. And our Monday night show
apparently is so popular that we blank out three commercial
stations: channel 2 [CBS], 9 [WGN], and 32 [Fox], who lose
advertising dollars because of us! Their ratings are down, ours
are up. We got an estimated half a million people watching our
show, yet the radio and TV editor of the newspapers *never*,
never, never says a single word that we exist at all. We're
invisible.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. Along the lines of the media, one of your commentaries talks
about murdered reporters.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Such as Jim Hogan, and...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Not *Jim* Hogan, Paul Hogan.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Paul Hogan. O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Paul Hogan. And a friend of mine was murdered on, right before
the 4th of July in 1970 -- Ted Smart. I spent a *lot* of time
investigating that. He was murdered. Made to look like a
drowning, but they killed him.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. Could you, do you have any additional information on that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, those that I've mentioned -- Louie Lomax, Larry Buckman --
I've mentioned some of those. We've also done a story, which
we'll re-run one of these days, on our recorded message, of the
*judges* that were murdered. Oh, there's been a number of judges
that... There was a judge in uh, Judge William E. Miller, I
believe his name was, in the federal appeals court in Cincinnati,
that was, that gave an indication during an oral presentation of
an appeal, that he was gonna re-open the James Earl Ray case, to
show conspiracy of the government. He never lived to it. He died
while writing the decision. And the other two judges that were
part of the panel made the gratuitous statement that Judge
Miller, although dead, went along with *their* view that the case
should be kept closed.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. I know that this is...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
There's a number of... The original trial judge in the James Earl
Ray case was found laying dead at his desk. And under his body
was laying James Earl Ray's petition to re-open the case -- Judge
Preston Battle(sp?), the Memphis judge that had sentenced Ray.
And so on.
There's been... In other words, a judge that goes *against* the
grain and tries to be honest, in a political murder case and so
on, is generally himself murdered.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. You know, a lot of people that read this are...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Skeptical.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, O.K.?
And I know that I'm really just asking you these things out of
the blue, so that, as far as say, with Jim Hogan, anything...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Paul Hogan.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I'm sorry. I've got it written down here "Jim" -- Paul
Hogan.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well his relatives agree with me. But you don't hear their
viewpoints in the popular press.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Harold Washington's relatives agree with me, but cannot go public
with it because of insurance policy money.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
So, I mean, you mean whether I mind being called a liar? Every
judge that our group was instrumental in sending to jail started
out by getting a press conference and calling Skolnick a liar.
And I don't mind. I could give you a long list of those that
called me a liar that end up ex-convicts. And one of 'em, the
chief judge of the traffic court, I interviewed him on tape in
his office. He said that what I said about his corruption -- I
brought 28 witnesses to accuse him -- he says, "Skolnick, I heard
you imagine things," -- he just got out of jail, an ex-convict,
convicted of bribery. So what else should I have to say?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
No. What I'm just sayin' is...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In other words, I'm very careful... Our group is very careful.
We're not in politics. We don't accuse anybody for small reason;
we have no... we aren't gonna get anything out of it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. What's goin' on with Whitewater? Do ya have any...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I've just finished a story that I faxed to one of the smaller
magazines that asked me to write what is known about Whitewater
-- the entire picture. And they're supposed to go to press with
it within a week. I just faxed it to them this morning,
coincidentally.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. You had said before that they're going after Clinton, Gore,
and Gingrich -- all three of 'em, the press is goin' after 'em.
And it doesn't seem to me that they're goin' after Gore that
much.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, I told ya the story of how I was 6 months ahead of the
parade...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...on the Spiro Agnew thing. We're ahead of the parade on the
Gore thing. Only the *St. Louis Post-Dispatch*, last April, used
a watered-down version of our details of the corruption in the
milk bovine situation involving Monsanto Chemical, that huge
company.
And Gore has had a great influence on the FDA. It was his wife
Tipper's relative, Michael R. Taylor, that was a top deputy of
the FDA. He was formerly the outside chief counsel of Monsanto,
the makers of this controversial chemical that makes cows give
more milk, but causes infection to get into the milk, O.K.?
And you're saying, "When will that come out?" -- It's not *up* to
me.
The *Washington Post*, however, 6 weeks after I went on a radio
show talking about it, ran a story that the, Monsanto, actually
had *five* other people working inside the FDA as officials of
the FDA! So... And that a congressman from Vermont was --
Sanders, I believe his name was -- was investigating that. He's
one of the few independents in Congress.
In other words, you're wondering *when*? Hey. I'm not calling the
shots on the secret agenda of who gets knocked down. I mean, I
predicted it accurately in '73 that Agnew was "going to the wall"
first, and *then* Nixon, and then they're gonna bring in the new
team without an election. Which was Gerald Ford, and then-Vice-
President Nelson Rockefeller.
They're pushing for Jay Rockefeller to be the new President,
without an election.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. You answered my question... It was just... As soon as you
answered, somethin' "clicked" in my mind. I said, "Oh yeah! O.K."
So fine. That's satisfactory as far as I'm concerned.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Gingrich is the third-in-line. And notice that, even though he's
a Republican, they're lambasting him about book contracts, about
foundations he was connected with. They want to get rid of all
three of 'em: Clinton, Gore, and Gingrich.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And the next in order of accession, is that Rockefeller then?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No, if the first three of 'em get knocked down, under the 25th
amendment then, I think it's up to Congress to select somebody.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And Congress can be bought, and so they would put in Jay
Rockefeller. Read the 25th amendment and reach your own
conclusion.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And so, when you say Congress can be bought, that relates to
a commentary where you had mentioned the bribery of one-hundred
eight...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. Right. I... Only a right-wing newspaper would run a story
that I did...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You mean *The Spotlight*.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. I don't agree with their politics, but they ran my story
without butchering it up -- verbatim, O.K.? Friends of mine
criticize me because they say, "Well, but their politics are no
good."
I says, "Well, publish it in *Time* magazine then!!"
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. You know, I get the *same* *thing*. Because I read *The
Spotlight* -- O.K.? -- and I don't always agree with their
politics but, and yet they have information that I can't get!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I vigorously disagree with their policy that there was no
Holocaust. My family got lost in the Warsaw ghetto -- I mean,
come on!
But the point is, they print my stories verbatim. Give me a
choice! Put it on Internet. *You're* an alternative.
But what was the story about: of the four largest news agencies
in the world -- O.K.? -- all four had a record that was an open
record with the Bank of England for 30 days only: the bribery
list of BCCI. They had bribed various public officials in various
countries, *including*... They had *bought* 25 percent of both
Houses of Congress. They wanted congressmen to allow them to
proliferate their bank in various branches throughout the United
States. And they needed various committees of Congress to "O.K."
them. O.K.? So what they did is, through a group of six LaSalle
street brokers, they bought 28 U.S. Senators and 108 U.S.
Congressmen.
*This* bribery list was in the hands of four news agencies; *one*
had corroborated that the bribery list is correct. And when the
editor of that news agency, with international scope, killed the
story, a very brave reporter contacted me -- like in the Spiro
Agnew thing years ago -- and says, "Hey, Skolnick. I heard you're
a loudmouth there, and you don't mind going with the truth even
if it bothers somebody."
And so they gave me the list, together with all the
corroboration, and I substantiated it further, from my own
sources, and I wrote a story about it.
And one of those that was involved is the wife of Senator Phil
Gramm of Texas. His wife, at the time, was Wendy -- uh, she *is*,
Wendy Gramm -- was the head of the commodity futures trading
corporation that was involved in these corrupt commodity deals
where 25 percent of both Houses of Congress got hundreds of
thousands of dollars by way of bribery! She went along with it.
There were six commodity brokers on LaSalle street that were a
part of it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. We can explore this further, you know? There's...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I know a lot about it! I'm just trying to tell you briefly.
I'm very careful. I don't, despite the judges that have accused
me of being liars (and then went to jail later), I don't, you
know... I'm very careful about this. I check things out.
Yes. We get stories that are "killed" by other news operations.
Yes.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
In the context of this current interview, there's this thing
called "concision" -- O.K.? -- that Noam Chomsky has talked
about, that...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
What is that?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
That means that, they'll, sometimes they'll have somebody, say
like, Noam Chomsky will be on MacNeil-Lehrer about once every ten
years or so. But they'll have him on, and they'll ask him a
question -- but the concision is that he's got 5 minutes to
answer it, O.K.? It's like...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well that's a lot. They used to give me only 40 seconds when I
was a hero with the media in the '60s.
So I used to, I used to get around it, see? They say, "Skolnick.
Nixon, who is the President, he gets two minutes. *You* get 40
seconds."
So I used to write out my statement to the press before the press
conference. And I *timed* it to the second. You want 40 seconds
on film? (Which is what they use.) I used to give 'em 40 seconds.
*That* *way*, they couldn't edit it, see? 'Cuz they'd say, "No!
Keep talkin', Skolnick! We'll edit what *we* want!"
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah [laughs].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I would give 'em 40 seconds. And so they had to use it verbatim!
And the minute the 40 seconds were up on my watch, I shut my
mouth. You know what I mean?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. That's a good way of doin' it. Because I would think
that...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
That they would, they would want me to talk for 4 or 5 minutes
and then they would cut out, they would only put on the air the
"B.S." part, the part that wasn't specific.
So I would time my thing, for the film -- 40 seconds. And the
minute the 40 seconds are up, I shut my mouth.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. But in another sense, though, this idea of "concision"...
You know, if somebody asks somebody for an explanation -- say, of
the Kennedy assassination -- and they only give you 5 minutes to
try and explain all...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
All right. Let me, let me answer that very briefly.
In 1973, a Canadian writer who is now very famous (supposedly),
Mordecai Richler, called me up and says he wants to interview me
-- O.K.? -- about the Chicago plot against Kennedy. That I knew a
lot about because I had a court case on it, you know?
So he shows up at my house, comes into my kitchen, and I started
to present him the documents from the court record. He says, "I
haven't got time for that!" He says, "Tell me, in a short
sentence..."
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! [laughs]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Anyway. I says, "Well wait a minute. You came all the way from
the other end of the country interviewing another assassination
researcher. You came here. And uh, give me a few minutes."
He says, "I can't!" He says, "In 8 minutes I gotta go back out
the door. My cab is waiting on your driveway."
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. That's a perfect example.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He wrote a story for *Playboy* that "Skolnick is a liar and has
no proof whatever of his contention that there was a plot in
Chicago against Kennedy."
Hey! *The* *man* *didn't* *give* *me* *time*!
*Now*, Mordecai Richler -- check his name through a database. Oh!
He publishes books, he's famous. The man is a liar.
Another guy that did the same trick to me was one of the feature
writers of the *Washington Post*! Ronald Kessler. He did the same
trick to me: he flew in on a plane, and he wanted to give me
*five* *minutes* to explain why, uh about the documents, where
Dorothy Hunt was murdered through a sabotaged plane crash. Hey! I
can't *do* it in 5 minutes!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. That's what I meant when I said, "concision". That sums it
up.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
In other words, uh... Sometimes I try! Sometimes I talk fast and
I try to fill it up with as many "nuts and bolts". But hey! I'm
not a magician! In order to do this takes time to set it forth,
step by step, in a technical manner, with the "nuts and bolts".
But these guys don't allow time. And then he says, "This fella
Skolnick's a liar! He's got no proof!"
Hey! I couldn't set *forth* everything in 8 minutes, or 5
minutes.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And I brought that up in terms of this interview, say with
this thing of the murdered reporters, that, I'm just asking you
this question "out of the blue", O.K.? And...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
What have I done in that? I have talked to the families, off the
record. I have checked with associates of theirs [i.e.,
associates of the murdered reporters]. I know hospital people.
Hey! I'm the head of a... well, call it an "army" of volunteer
"gumshoes" [laughs]. People that volunteer to investigate things,
snatch records. We've been doin' this since 1963, man [laughs]. I
mean, we find out most anything. I mean we're, my favorite story
is that people whisper into my ear things that they wouldn't dare
tell their grandmother! I mean, we find out... *Boxes* show up
from other places with documents that are supposed to be secret!
[laughs] One of 'em left me a box of documents -- I'll never
forget it -- a year ago, in a snowstorm! A big blizzard! A truck
pulled up, right up onto my lawn! You could see the tire tracks
in the snow? And he delivered me this box of records. No return
address! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. Because I'm kind of limited as far as how much time here --
you know, the idea of "concision", O.K.? -- I...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I don't even know how you spell it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
C-o-n-c-i-s-i-o-n.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Really.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And you gave a good example of that, where ya, this person said,
"I've only got 8 minutes," ya know? And you wanted to go into
some detail to try and explain this.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well tell Noam Chomsky to call me; I'll tell him about the 40-
second *schtick*.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Good trick.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And one final question: do you have any opinion on this thing in
Mexico, where they admit where Salinas' brother may have been
involved in this assassination?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No. But we're working on a story about how they siphoned off tens
of millions of dollars from Mexican government agencies through a
major stock brokerage with an office in Chicago. I know a lot
about it. We're workin' on a story about it.
The other thing about Salinas, I don't have any direct knowledge.
I commend... However. I commend Mexico and the Mexican people for
allowing the word "conspiracy" and "plot" to be discussed. In
other words, if Lee Harvey Oswald did it in Mexico City, they
would say, "Plot!" "Conspiracy!"
United States is backward. *Here*, the press is so afraid of the
people that whenever a prominent person gets "knocked off" --
[e.g.] President -- they says, "Uh, a 'lone assassin' did it."
In Mexico, if the second-in-command of their government or
somethin' gets "knocked off"... Hey! [laughs] Even the *press*
starts talkin' about "Plot!" "Conspiracy!"
I commend Mexico for that. They're more candid [laughs].
Brian Francis Redman bigxc@prairienet.org "The Big C"
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Coming to you from Illinois -- "The Land of Skolnick"
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 20, 1995
On March 20, 1995, I interviewed Mr. Sherman Skolnick of the
Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC] by telephone.
The following is my transcription of that interview. Note that in
this interview I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of the statements of Mr. Skolnick.
-- Brian Francis Redman, Editor-in-chief, Conspiracy Nation
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CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. To get to some questions: first off, are there any late-
breaking stories that you're workin' on?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, we're workin' on a story about the FBI which will probably
be, might be our next message on our recorded message. There's a
lot to be said about them.
What else is happening. Uh, well... I'm trying to think. What is
that late-breaking item?
Well we're trying to check out something. There was some radio,
smaller radio stations, carried a story the other day that
several very sizeable banks in this country are in terrible
condition, which may pull down the banking system. I've been
checking with my financial sources to see if there are any
further details. But that's something that has to be looked into.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And just generally, I wanted to start off if there's any
pressing message that you wanted to get out, before I get to some
of the other questions. Just, you know, if there's anything that
you had that you wanted to especially say.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Not that I can think of. I may think of somethin' and call you
right back. But... Are you home?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
After I finish this, I may think of somethin'. I'll call ya right
back if you're gonna be there.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, okay. I'll hang around for maybe an hour or so.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
O.K. All right, go ahead with your questions.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. In one of your radio interviews, you talked about how you
had interviewed Michael Riconosciuto. And you mentioned...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well it was *more* than that.
A lawyer that we knew at the time volunteered to be his attorney
while Riconosciuto was in the federal jail in Chicago. And that
turned out to be a period from September 'til almost the first of
the year. From September '92 'til almost the end of December '92,
Riconosciuto was in the Metropolitan Correction Center, which is
the federal jail, downtown Chicago. (It's one of the only
triangular buildings, by the way, in the world.)
And I and an associate of mine volunteered to be the paralegals.
And so, the three of us, quite often, were down there in the
jail, talking in a conference room with Riconosciuto, who
contended, number one, that he had been framed on false dope
charges to get him out of circulation. Because he's a super-duper
computer hacker and was the chief of research for Wackenhut
Corporation, which is a private off-shoot of the Central
Intelligence Agency.
And, so that's basically what we did over a period of months. And
we found out a great deal of information, while he was waiting to
be brought before the Inslaw federal grand jury, which was headed
by a former judge, Nicholas J. Bua.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I can fill in a lot of details. But that's briefly what it is.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right, and in this interview that I'm thinking of, you said
that...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Not *interview*. It's in the plural; we were there sometimes
three times a week!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. But what I'm referring to is a specific radio interview, I
think it was *Radio Free America*, where you... When I say "the
interview", I mean the interview with Tom Valentine...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, okay.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
...and you, as I recall, you said that when you began probing
into the area of the World Trade Center bombing, Riconosciuto...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
No, that was after he had finished his grand jury testimony and
was sent back to a federal jail facility, elsewhere in the
country. That one of our group -- he used to call some of us, in
our group, collect. It was the only way to contact us. And one of
our associates began asking him (this would've been in the Spring
of '93, after the World Trade Center bombing). And we asked him
whether the "EHT", that he invented -- Electrostatic Heat
Transfer (that is a type of explosion, just below nuclear. It's
not dynamite. It's something else.) -- whether that was used in
the bombing of the World Trade Center. Because, unlike usual
explosives, whatever was used *melted* some of the girders. And
usually, dynamite and stuff like that simply blows out the weaker
elements -- windows, brick walls. It wouldn't get to the point of
melting steel. The only thing that can do that, as a type of
explosive, is this sub-nuclear thing called "EHT", which was
invented by him, and promoted by him and his former business
partner, Robert Booth Nichols.
And when we talked to Riconosciuto about it, unlike him, he flew
into a terrible rage and says, "You better get *off* that!!" And
from the conversation, we gathered that his position was that if
we didn't get off that, we were in terrible, terrible danger in
even discussing it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And who do you... Do you have any opinion on who was behind
that World Trade Center bombing?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Probably foreign intelligence agencies that wanted to blame it
all on Arabs. Because one of those who, I believe, subsequently
confessed to certain things had a phone number where he could be
reached. And that phone number was the number, the phone number
of a woman who was with Israeli Intelligence. From that, and a
number of other details, we gather that it is *not* the Arabs
that really were involved. They were, they were... I don't know
how to put it. They were pushed into the position of
provocateurs. But they were being manipulated by others that were
not Arabs! That were some foreign intelligence agencies: either
French, Israel, or others.
Because what they wanted was a very negative thing against the
Arabs. And that helps the FBI. Because currently -- and that's
the story we're working on, by the way -- more than *half* of the
FBI, in their major offices, like Chicago, more than half of 'em
are into counter-terrorism. And basically what they're doing is
they're sitting outside the homes all night of Palestinian-
Americans (some of whom run grocery stores), as if every one of
'em is a terrorist! In other words, half of the FBI in Chicago
are counter-terrorists.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
There's this thing with this Trade Center bombing that, there's a
thin line -- O.K.? Because the FBI was probing into it, but it
may be that they had crossed a thin line into actually provoking
the incident.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, the point is, they work in teams: one side investigates,
and the other side purports to represent the would-be defendants.
The principle attorney during most of the time (I think he was
pushed out, late in the prosecution), the principle defense
attorney was William Kunstler.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Who was formerly a top officer of the O.S.S., which later became
the CIA.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I'm surprised to hear that! Because Kunstler, I had always
thought of him as...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...as a "radical revolutionary". Yeah, I understand. I understand
that.
For awhile... When I first confronted Kunstler with this, in
1969, he wouldn't answer. But he pushed Jerry Rubin up against my
wheelchair, to try to scare me. In later years, into the '70s, a
magazine came out called *Counterspy*. And he [Kunstler] was up
on the masthead as a senior officer of the O.S.S.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And he's defending, if I'm not mistaken, the Shabazz thing
with, you know, where Malcolm X's daughter had...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. He gets into all these so-called "radical, revolutionary"
situations. Starting as far back as the "Chicago 7", Rennie Davis
and all that. And I don't know if you saw the detailed fact sheet
that we had about Rennie Davis, but um... Did I send ya one of
those?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, we covered it. You know, that Rennie Davis was...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...got a blue fact sheet. I think I sent you one of those.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. You may have. I put all your stuff in a file, so...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
It's a very small type. But it's very complete.
Most of those that were in the "Chicago 7", the thing was funded
by CIA foundations. And we went into a very detailed research
report about it.
And the lawyer that fronted for them, in months and months of
criminal trial here, was William Kunstler. And like I say, at the
time I confronted him that he had been with CIA, he wouldn't
answer. Instead, he pushed Jerry Rubin to, you know, sort of
"block" me, or whatever you want to call that.
So when you say that he's with the Shabazz thing and he was with
the World Trade Center criminal defendants, that, by itself, is a
piece of circumstantial proof that supports our position that
there's espionage involvement.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. Regarding that "Chicago 7" trial, one of my sort of "heroes"
was Abbie Hoffman, when I was younger. I find it hard to...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I liked Abbie quite a bit. But Abbie got into a treacherous area
there of playing games with CIA. And it may have led to his
strange death. {1}.
I ran into Abbie over the years. He wouldn't... He liked to tell
very obscene jokes, which some of our friends used to laugh at;
they were rather funny. However, he wouldn't answer our specific
research points as to how he was allowed to travel all over the
world, by court permission, while he was, had been convicted or
was awaiting -- during the criminal trial and while he was
convicted, the judges allowed him to travel all over the world.
Which is not done to people facing much lesser criminal charges.
For example, he flew into split Yugoslavia about the same time
that Nixon did. Which would be, I believe (I think it's on our
fact sheet), approximately 1970 or '71.
But on the CIA thing, is when Abbie stopped laughing. During the
'72 GOP convention, which later resulted in riots, we... I was
down there with friends of mine that had their own van. And we
used to drive Abbie around in our van while we talked to him. And
he would joke, like I say, about porno and so on, obscene things,
which some of my friends laughed at quite a bit.
But then when I showed him some of the documents, that were
little-known, about CIA and that, he really got very upset and
wouldn't answer.
And I suspect that he thought it was cute to play these games,
use CIA foundation money to do what *he* was doing, and sort of
"play both sides". He was a very clever man.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, okay.
Regarding Waco, Texas: you had, in one of your commentaries,
you'd mentioned as far as the Branch Davidian church being a
possible CIA brainwashing facility.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. Because they had, CIA has got a similar facility right
nearby there.
However, I don't claim to be that knowledgeable about the Waco
thing. And I... It wasn't something that we worked on directly.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. Are you of the opinion that... There's a video that shows a
tank with a flame-thrower...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I'm concerned about that. That came from Linda Thompson. And some
of us are very concerned. (She distributed the thing from
Indianapolis.) And we are concerned whether that particular thing
was added to or changed or enhanced, or even so far as being
falsified. We don't know.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
She's a controversial figure, that...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, she is.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
...that, even myself: I'm just not certain on which way to
call...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well she tried, she tried to organize 100,000 people to march on
the nation's capital, *armed*. And there are laws against that.
In other words, you can't come down the highway, armed, and march
like a huge army on Washington, DC. It's... There's various
federal, criminal laws that would be involved.
She later sent out a bulletin (and I think we have it in the
file) trying to explain away why she called it off.
But some of us are very concerned, that she showed up from
nowhere, and had all the trappings of an *agent provocateur*.
And I haven't decided one way or the other. It's just uh, I'm
very leery of her. Let's put it that way.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Because, as I understand it, she is saying that this thing about
the March on Washington was a ruse by her, in order to get the
militia movement going.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well some of... The facts she sent, about the federal reserve
being illegal and things like that, are things that more
knowledgeable people may accept. But she used that, *we* *fear*,
as a smokescreen to put through a provocation. And this comes at
a time when a lot of ordinary people, especially those that do
not live in large cities, are forming what they call "militias",
arming themselves, and are prepared to take the law into their
own hands, so to speak, because of the failure of the courts and
the government to satisfy what appear to be their grievances.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You know, I've got, personally I've got mixed feelings about
these militias: on the one hand, I can see it as a positive
thing. But on the other hand, I can see it as a dangerous thing
in that it could be infiltrated...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Absolutely. And we are very concerned about that, because the
Posse Comitatus has been widely infiltrated by government agents.
All you have to do is look back thirty, forty, fifty years and be
knowledgeable about dissident movements, starting in the '30s and
then post-World War II. There was a time in the late '40s and
early '50s when it was reasonable to say that half of the
Communist Party USA were actually FBI members. And they
manipulated things until the Communist Party more or less broke
apart, about 1956.
And even today, I occasionally, as a journalist, have gone
several times over the last 20 years since the Communist Party
came out of the underground, following 1968, and held public
meetings. I went to their meetings but (as a journalist), but I
was given a very hard time. I... Generally, they grabbed the
microphone out of my hand when I tried to interview any of 'em in
the hallway. And I didn't ask belligerent right-wing questions. I
asked reasonable, you know, journalist-type questions. And most
of the times I was greatly hassled.
And there are some that I greatly suspect are paid... I wouldn't
call 'em provocateurs. I don't know what to call 'em. Well...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Informants maybe.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. They generally will not criticize the large banks. And they
generally spend a lot of their time on supporting strikes and all
that -- which is commendable. I mean... And, but they generally
do *not* go after the very big companies. Once in a while they
do. But they will not, in their newspaper (which is now called, I
think, the "People's Weekly World" or something), they generally
will not condemn the large companies by name. Although they
condemn 'em in general. In other words, they don't go into the
"nuts and bolts" that the rest of us are prepared to talk about.
And therefore I am wondering just what the Hell... That seems to
be an example of a paid situation. I give that as an example, so
that *now* that we have the militias and the Posse Comitatus and
that, it may be *more* of the same, manipulated by the FBI.
That's what I'm getting at.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And this, you know, your dealings with these so-called
"progressive"-type people, would lead into this question I have
that, there seems to be a split in the so-called "progressive"
movement. And I would exemplify that as "Chomsky versus Parenti".
Chomsky does not see any problem, from what I can tell, with
conspiracies -- the JFK assassination, et cetera -- versus Dr.
Michael Parenti, who has a Ph.D. from Yale...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, I know. The other thing is, that other so-called "lefties",
like Alexander Cockburn -- you know who I'm talkin' about?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, sure.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He "pooh-poohed" the whole JFK conspiracy thing.
I read his stories in *The Nation*, and I find 'em interesting.
However. The two so-called "left wing" progressive magazines,
that is, *Progressive* magazine from, I think, Madison,
Wisconsin, and *The Nation*, take heavy funding from foundations
that we greatly suspect. *The Nation*, in particular, gets money
from the Roger Baldwin Foundation. They couldn't function without
it. And I began an investigation of them in 1969. And I could
make out a convincing case that the Baldwin Foundation is a CIA
conduit.
So I have misgivings about *The Nation*.
However, they do some interesting work, I must say.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I also read *The Nation*, and it's kind of uneven;
sometimes there'll be really excellent articles, and sometimes I
just throw it away.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well they put down, they put down political murder conspiracies
as being far-fetched. And a few other things along those lines.
And they will never cover... O.K. One subject that they did
cover, reluctantly, but eventually they did, was how the ACLU was
closely aligned with the FBI and J. Edgar Hoover for about 25
years. They did a lengthy piece on that a few years ago. What
they will *not* do is show how the Roger Baldwin Foundation,
which is a successor to the ACLU, is closely tied for about --
well, since 1967 -- with the CIA through another group of
foundations. And the reason they *can't* go into it is, the
Baldwin Foundation principally finances *The Nation* magazine.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. It's just something that I, it confused me for awhile there
that, we've got a local radio station down here that's excellent.
It's a community-based radio station, WEFT. And they've got a
very good show on, on Saturday morning, called "News From
Neptune". But my problem with them is, they're *very* heavily
Chomsky-based. And I've even, I've sent them a tape of a talk by
Dr. Parenti dealin' with... The name of the tape was, "Conspiracy
and Class Power," where he goes into, "Yes! There's
conspiracies!", you know, with all these political
assassinations.
And they seem, they're very close-minded about it, O.K.? It's
like...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well who publishes his [Chomsky's] books? He's quite a prolific
writer. I think he's in with the *Z Magazine* crowd in Cambridge.
And the one's... They came from nowhere, they put out a very
slick magazine. And one of their principals is Chip Berlet, who I
strongly suspect is funded by CIA. He has no other visible
income. And he has written articles, that those of us who are in
the political assassination research movement are actually Nazis.
And he's gone quite a bit, and written about me -- and others
like that. As to me, it's completely false. Because I conducted
some of the first seminars, in the United States, on Nazi war
criminals that were living amongst us. And this was in 1976, when
it was not popular to even discuss anything of the sort. *Now*,
with a lot of 'em [Nazis] old and dead, or so old that they're
(you know), it's not important 20 years later. But in 1976 it
was. And I conducted one of the largest seminars that I could.
And here is Chip Berlet, says that Skolnick and some of his
associates are actually Nazis! I mean it's, it's terrible.
His real name is John Foster Dulles Berlet. His parents were very
much in with the one that ran the State Department years ago. And
they've had very close CIA links. That whole *Z Magazine* crowd
in Cambridge appears to be financed and promoted by entities of
the CIA.
The CIA... I used to teach a course in this at a radio-tv
broadcast school, 25 years ago. On how you investigate
foundations through their tax-exempt status, which requires them
to have their income tax form as a public record. And I developed
methods of showing which foundations are actually conduits for
the Central Intelligence.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You know, Chip Berlet for awhile was active in one of these
newsgroups that I kind of "hang out" in, in cyberspace. He was
puttin' out somethin' called, he called "The Baloney Busters
Bugle", O.K.? And to make a long story short, he just basically
got laughed out of the place. Because...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He purports to be a "lefty". However, there's substantial... You
could make substantial arguments against it.
And his magazine... When the JFK movie by Oliver Stone was coming
out, or about to come out, they did a, they did an establishment-
type put-down. Let's put it that way.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And this would be the reason why, perhaps, you find it
difficult to get published. You know, say, I would think that
*The Nation* magazine would be doing some stories on you or by
you.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well they've always rejected my stories.
The only ones that would run it verbatim were the ultra right
wing, whose politics I don't approve of. But I'm left with very
few choices because the *only* *one* that takes a more balanced
view and is more progressive is *Steamshovel* magazine. Until I
ran into Kenn Thomas, there was no one, really, that wanted to
publish my stuff without butchering it up.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah I also... I subscribe to the *Steamshovel* magazine. And as
a matter of fact, Kenn Thomas is on the mailing list. So I'm sure
he'll be glad to hear that you appreciate his work, as do I.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He's aware of it. But other than him (he's a rarity), most of the
so-called "left wing" press are, are whores. They work for some
devious financial source that they do not openly or publicly
divulge. And as a result, they have almost as many hang-ups as
the mass media.
And that includes the Communist Party paper, *The People's Weekly
World*, *The Nation*, *Progressive* magazine... They can't...
Let's put it this way: people that are independent, like myself,
that speak out on a *variety* of subjects, are not welcome in
that direction at all.
National Public Radio, although some of their very small stations
are more open-minded, they generally will not let on the air (and
I've tried) discussions that I and people associated with me talk
about. We are *not* permitted.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Let me tell ya somethin' that happened with me, okay?
I heard, over the Internet, there was a (this past summer), a DEA
agent who quit the DEA, named Celerino Castillo, who's written a
book called *Powderburns* [*Powderburns: Cocaine, Contras, and
the Drug War*] where he goes into all this stuff. I heard, on the
Internet, that he was gonna be available for downloading or
whatever [downlinking] on the Virtual Radio Network. And I called
up the local PBS radio station here, WILL-AM. And I said, "Look,
this might be a good interview, you know?" I mean, if you've got
a guy sayin' that the U.S. government is complicit in bringin'
drugs into the country, I would say that if you're really serious
about winning a "War on Drugs" that you might want to bring
*that* out a little bit.
So, to his credit, the guy listened to it, okay? But he decided
he wasn't gonna play it. One guy! All right?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And the same thing, I think, goes for (I may be mistaken, but I
think I'm right) Michael Levine, *The Big White Lie*, where he
tells what happened to him in the DEA and how they promote dope
rather than regulate it.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
He spoke at my *alma mater*, Northern Illinois University, back
around 1990, 1991. I was very impressed by him. I've read both of
his books [*Deep Cover* and *The Big White Lie* by Michael
Levine].
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
But I don't think they're reviewed or discussed on National
Public Radio or on PBS.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! It's not allowed in the, the equation, to solve the so-
called "War on Drugs". There's two things allowed: either you're
really gonna get tough on these people and lock 'em up, or else
you're gonna treat it as a health problem. And somethin' that's
*never* let in is, you know, the government -- Terry Reed in
*Compromised*, in that book? -- the government, they're bringin'
in the drugs, *they're* *part* *of* *it*. That's not allowed in!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
All right, the one that has done *more* about it is, the mass
media, the *60 Minutes* program -- when was it? Last year or
somethin', they did about... Or was it more than a year?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Naw. It's been about within the past year.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
They did a thing about the CIA brought in *tons* of cocaine at a
time from Venezuela.
But *60 Minutes* doesn't put it in a proper overall context, the
way Levine or Terry Reed or others would. And I think they have
not adequately allowed a discussion of Professor Alfred McCoy's
more recent book. He first came out with it, *The Politics of
Heroin in Southeast Asia*, in '72. But in the last couple years
he came with an updated book [McCoy, Alfred. *The Politics of
Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade* (Chicago Review
Press, 1991)]. And I don't think that there was adequate
discussion of him and his book.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah that's somethin', I just figured I'd touch on that, that I
have run into. In trying to...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The reason for that is the number of foundations, that we can
show are conduits for CIA, that are interlocked with the
management of PBS and National Public Radio.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You know, my theory on this is that, it's like Chomsky is like a
line of defense, okay? That it's like a "limited hangout" {2}.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Absolutely the correct term. That's the correct espionage
parlance that you're using. "Limited hangout".
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. I mean, for people who get past the first perimeter of
thought control, they'll come up against Chomsky. And it'll be
like, "Ah! Here is the truth!" But, you know, with me I began to
say, you know, "Well what about this Kennedy assassination? And
what about conspiracies, and things like that?" And it's like,
they give you this thing like, that... It's like a pose, you
know? Like that "they're so sophisticated," and "what do *you*
know," and...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Absolutely. And not only that, but they will not allow any
discussion about these different secret societies that -- for
whatever reason -- the ultra right wing likes to expose: the
Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg group, the Council on
Foreign Relations, and so on. Or the federal reserve and things
like that. Those are all forbidden subjects.
Well but you can see why. For a long while, the head of, PBS, I
believe it was, was Sharon Percy Rockefeller, the wife of Jay
Rockefeller. So I mean, how would you expect, since they are in
with the, that they are the ones that conduct the Bilderberg
meetings, naturally, that is a subject that they wouldn't allow
discussed!
They purport to be liberal, but really not.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And another problem that I've noticed with PBS is that they
didn't used to accept corporate funding. Or at least, say, back
in the mid-70s, there was no "Archer Daniels Midland" or
anything, where you turn on MacNeil-Lehrer and you get a mini-
commercial about "the good people at Archer Daniels Midland". The
corporations didn't have their foot in the door. But they *got*
their foot in the door. And Studs Terkel, a Chicago writer, has
said this also. When this first happened, that PBS began
accepting corporate funding, as I recall he said something like,
"Watch out! They've got their foot in the door now."
That's my take on it, that that's another reason that they're
kind of limited in who they'll go after.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. And they generally will not allow independents -- not just
me, but others like me -- to be heard on any of their facilities
at any time. In other words, we're completely forbidden.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah that kind of happened... I made minor efforts in that
direction, you know, like I say, with the local WILL-AM here.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Somebody could write a lengthy piece on how the right wing and
left wing are carefully controlled. The left wing, as I said, is
financed principally by foundations, acting for CIA. So that
somebody at CIA headquarters is having a big laugh on a lot of
other people, in that they're like a giant Wurlitzer organ {3}.
They're directing what, if anything, can be discussed.
And the right wing, because they get into things that are
obnoxious to a lot of sensible people, in some ways discredit
themselves. In other words, they promote ideas that "the
Holocaust didn't occur", that "this didn't happen", that "there's
a Jewish banking conspiracy", and things like that, that affront
more sensible people.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
For a simple reason. Martin Meyer, in his book *The Bankers*,
showed that there was only one Jewish-named bank official in a
bank house in the United States. There *are* people with Jewish
names running investment banking on Wall Street, but they have
not been actual Jews for three or four generations. But the right
wing keeps going like there's a Jewish banking conspiracy. So
they, in some ways, discredit themselves. The left wing is, too
much of their press is owned by the CIA through foundations. So
you can see there's no [laughs], there's no free press, even for
the so-called "extremists" [laughs].
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. I want to move on to one final thing here, and then I'll
hang around here for awhile, if you want to call back with
anything else.
This is kind of switching gears here, but it seems to me you've
got a pretty good familiarity with the history of Chicago. And I
took a course at Northern Illinois University on the history of
Chicago. And they talked about some of these turn-of-the-century
characters in Chicago politics. These names may ring a bell with
you, or they may not:
People like "Bathhouse John" Coughlin, "Hinky Dink", "Pushcart
Tony" -- "Pushcart Tony" supposedly was a politician from around
the turn-of-the-century that, when he would walk by, the Italian
immigrant women would bless themselves, you know, like as if,
"This is the anti-Christ" or somethin'.
And you've also, like another colorful character that you've kind
of mentioned a lot is uh, I heard your story about Nicholas J.
Bua, where you had, you know, he had tried to talk to you and
you're callin' him "Judge". And he's over there, "Call me
'Nick'!"
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I was about the only journalist that has succeeded to get lengthy
interviews with him. I've known him for more than 30 years. And
he does try to be friendly with me, figuring that he can persuade
me to his view. Although I continue to believe that he's the head
of P-2 in North America -- *Propaganda Due*.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. That was your most recent commentary. I put that out; that
went out last night.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And *Propaganda Due* is tied in with the Gladio thing that came
out, in a tremendous scandal in Switzerland.
In other words, they're a secret group that is promoting fascism
and wants to do away with representative government. There's been
things published about P-2 and Gladio.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. But, you know, you've lived in Chicago all your life, as I
understand it. And looking back on the history of Chicago, have
there been any "colorful scoundrels" that you can think of?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh, yeah. The ones in the courthouse! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Some of 'em are still there! Some of 'em are *very* colorful. The
scoundrels are not all gone.
And the other thing you gotta understand about Chicago is,
whatever criminality there is they want to blame on two groups
that may not be that much involved: street gangs (mostly blacks
and Hispanics), and the traditional Italian and Sicilian mafia.
But the best way to understand that is, they *front* for the
"blue-stocking" trade, the ones that are in the social directory.
They don't want to do their dirty business *directly*, so they do
it through these other people.
And I'm hoping, *someday*, that a *former* mafioso (if there is
such a thing) will enlighten us as to the dirty work that they do
for the very wealthy, that do not wish to dirty their hands with
various things: with the dope trade... with various things.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
You did a commentary once that I *wish* I had recorded. For some
reason, I figured "Aw, no. I'm not gonna..." And maybe you'll run
it again. That, it dealt with, along the lines of "The dope
shipment had arrived, so Mayor Daley ordered a special police
escort to bring the dope to..."
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Oh yeah! We did a show on that. We did a one-hour show on that.
We had interviewed some very well-placed people in law-
enforcement. And they told us how the dope business really
operates in Chicago. It operates through... Well, they had a
protected warehouse on the north side [of Chicago] and they had
one on the south side. And the truckloads of dope would come,
escorted by a police car! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And the dope is piled up, like so many bags of coffee!
And we also know of a very fancy restaurant, that's on North
Milwaukee Avenue here, where the dopers and the police brass
meet, jointly.
So about six weeks after our television show, the law enforcement
people busted a south side warehouse posing as a "truck repair"
place. And trucks would come in, with dope in the panels of the
truck.
They did not, however, bust the major dope warehouse on the north
side. And our moderator suggested that we *not* give the exact
address, for fear that it'll be bombed and that innocent people,
driving by or walking by, will be hurt, not knowing what's in
that warehouse.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And this brings to mind, I had asked you about the other
panelists on your show. And you told me about Jim Reis and Cliff
Kelley. But... (I like all your group there; I think you got a
good chemistry.) But what about Marc Sato? Any background on him?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He had worked some years ago for IBM. And I think he's in the
process of writing a book. He has gone into seclusion; he hasn't
been on our show for several months now.
But he was on our show from the beginning, from '91 up until
about the end of '94. He's a computer expert and he's a third-
generation Japanese-American.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
O.K. And he wrote... Did he write a book, *The Law That Never
Was*, or somethin' like that?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. He did the principal work for two volumes, which a *few* of
the larger libraries have it. But it was privately printed. It's
generally not available outside of the Anti-Tax movement.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
So is he the author, then, of that? Or...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He's not listed as the author, but he actually wrote the thing.
'Cuz the guy they list as an author, I know. And he's not a
writer! [laughs] So somebody other than the listed author
obviously wrote the thing.
It's an interesting documentary study of the 16th amendment being
fraudulently obtained, and that the necessary number of states
never ratified the 16th amendment. And therefore the underpinning
of the IRS is fraudulent.
-------------------------<< Notes >>-----------------------------
{1} "In 1988, *Playboy* magazine published an in-depth article on
the October Surprise scheme. In what would become a pattern of
killings that coincidentally protected high U.S. officials, one
of the authors, Abbie Hoffman, was killed shortly after bringing
the article to *Playboy*." -- Page 198, *Defrauding America* by
Rodney Stich. Expanded second edition. ISBN: 0-932438-08-3.
Diablo Western Press, Inc., 1994.
{2} "Limited hangout". I can't find a precise definition for this
term at the moment, so here is how I explain it. "Limited
hangout" means telling *some* of the truth so that seekers will
be deflected from the whole truth. For example, when Clinton was
asked if he had ever smoked marijuana he replied that he had
puffed but had never inhaled. Clinton was offering a limited
hangout, in which he told only *some* of the truth. In relation
to Chomsky one again finds a limited hangout: Chomsky tells
*some* of the truth and many seekers are deflected from the whole
truth of conspiracies, assassinations, etc.
{3} For a good introduction to this concept of the CIA's control
of the media being like someone playing a Wurlitzer organ, see
*The CIA's Greatest Hits* by Mark Zepezauer (Tucson: Odonian
Press, 1994).
Brian Francis Redman bigxc@prairienet.org "The Big C"
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Coming to you from Illinois -- "The Land of Skolnick"
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SUMMARY OF INFO FROM CITIZENS' COMMITTEE -- APRIL 23, 1995
On April 23, 1995, I interviewed, by telephone, Mr. Sherman
Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts
[CCCC]. The following is my summary of that interview.
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For starters, let me say that the following is my report of what
Mr. Skolnick says; I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or portions of the following. Mr. Skolnick's direct
statements are marked off by quotation marks. All else is either
my own paraphrasing of Mr. Skolnick's statements or my own
personal comments, et cetera.
[Mr. Skolnick's statements are in quotes.]
"Sixteen indictments were handed up from the federal grand jury
in Little Rock on Monday, the 17th. April 17th. The indictments
were sealed."
"Of those, we feel assured of the names of three of them, of the
defendants."
"Ordinarily, in more routine matters, indictments are sealed for
24 to 48 hours, so as to give the FBI and others a chance to find
the defendants, serve the papers on 'em and arrest them, so that
the defendants would then have to come... have to be brought to
make bail bond and have a date set for an arraignment. That's the
process."
"In other, more controversial cases, they're sealed by order of
the chief judge of the district court of that district --
political cases, controversial cases -- which are then only
released under the direction of the chief judge of the Justice
Department. That is the arrangement."
"There have been instances where indictments have been kept
sealed for as many as 70 years. Of course, that's a little
ridiculous. But they tried to do the same thing regarding the
indictment of Richard Nixon. He *was* indicted, and in *that*
case it was *more* than that: the grand jury was ordered to take
it back (which is illegal, to order the grand jury to do that)."
"But anyway, these 16 indictments were handed up from the grand
jury on or about April 17th of this year."
"Those indicted were: Jim 'Guy' Tucker, the Arkansas Governor
(the Lieutenant Governor has already told us that he is, more or
less, already the Governor...); the second one is Thomas 'Mack'
McLarty, former White House Chief of Staff, currently White House
counsel, and former CEO of ARKLA, the natural gas public utility
-- Oklahoma-Arkansas-and Louisiana; and the third indictment (of
the 16 [indicted]) is Hillary Rodham Clinton, on two counts: bank
fraud and obstruction of justice."
"The obstruction of justice count is based on, she ordered White
House aide Foster's office to be cleared out and the contents to
be delivered to her private quarters in the White House. (Webster
Hubbell was involved in that.) She ordered them thereafter to
destroy those records, which were being sought at the time by a
federal magistrate in Little Rock, in the David Hale case. And
she apparently believed that Hubbell *had* destroyed it [i.e.,
the records]. When Hubbell resigned from the third person in the
Justice Department, he later was facing indictment and made a
plea bargain with Kenneth Starr, the independent prosecutor. And
to avoid jail, he turned those records over to the grand jury."
"And so, she was indicted on the second count, of obstruction of
justice."
"She's now facing a third count, to be added to the indictment,
based on Kenneth Starr, over this weekend, taking the sworn
statement of both the President and the First Lady. And she
apparently will be caught or has been caught with perjury. And so
there will most likely be a third count to the indictment."
"Those are the three defendants, of the sixteen. Others, of the
defendants, are reportedly also present or recent White House
personnel that are involved in Clinton's problems. Sixteen in
all."
NBC Nightly News, on Saturday, April 22nd, had a brief mention
that Starr had visited the White House and taken sworn testimony
from Bill and Hillary.
According to Skolnick, one of the counts against Hillary is
related to alleged bank fraud involving Madison Guaranty Savings
& Loan.
"The bank fraud count of the indictment against her, Hillary,
involves mis-application of somewhere between $47 and $60
million, or causing the loss thereof to the government, in
respect to a federally-insured financial institution."
"And I think you know what's involved there: involved there is
what we've already been working on for some time -- to try to
patch that [Hillary's alleged bank fraud] up, the clandestine
transfer, from Chicago, of $50 million from an RTC contingency
fund, which the major claim on the fund was Joseph Andreuccetti.
And that was taken out from under him, so to speak, and
transferred to Little Rock to *try* to cover up the very thing
for which Hillary, reportedly, has now been indicted! Bank
fraud."
[My interview with Joseph Andreuccetti will appear in issue #1 of
the Conspiracy Nation Newsletter. Address inquiries on how to get
a copy of the Conspiracy Nation Newsletter to bigxc@prairienet.org]
How long are they going to keep these indictments sealed?
"In the ordinary course of things, the chief judge in that
district *might* have unsealed them a few days thereafter [i.e.,
a few days after Monday, April 17th]. But two days thereafter, of
course, as we all know, there was the bombing of the Murrah
Federal Building in Oklahoma City."
"One of the 3 that have been arrested *or* suspected or accused
[in connection with the bomb blast], is reportedly an undercover
operative of the Drug Enforcement Agency. If the government is
confronted with this fact -- as they may [be] -- they *may* say
that this is one of their people that 'ran out of control' and
that they are not responsible for him having bombed the federal
building."
You can almost see a cause and effect: the indictments of
Hillary Clinton, "Mack" McLarty, Governor Jim "Guy" Tucker, and
other Clinton cronies, are about to go public, and then -- BOOM
-- the bomb goes off in Oklahoma.
"And there's a third event that should be considered: as a result
of my stories being on the various computer networks (Prodigy,
Internet)... I have made contacts with financial experts
worldwide who exchange information with me in confidence; (I
don't mention who they are.) And they contend that there is a
'panic point' approaching: 75 yen to the dollar {1}. And when it
reaches that point, that there will be an embargo on foreign
exchange; there will be no yen/dollar ratio considered anymore --
you won't be able to exchange up and back; those that have sent
their... Americans that have sent their money out of the country
will not be able to get it back. In other words, this whole
foreign exchange thing will be frozen."
"And *why* did financial experts find it interesting to talk to
me off the record? Because they felt that I am part of a group
that is on the cutting edge of the so-called 'Whitewater affair'
and that I have a good working knowledge of the, what's happening
as far as the Kenneth Starr thing and so on, and that there may
be validity to what I say: that Hillary is facing indictment
(which I have been saying for quite a number of weeks now.)"
But can't they just bury this news?
"Well, there *was* a time when the news networks more carefully
controlled the news -- prior to the current technology, that
would be true. But there is, more and more stories are getting
*around* the news networks, through the computer networks. The
government would love, *right* *now*, to STOP the various
computer networks, because they're a detriment to managing the
news. In other words, people can pull up things on their screen
which may be more truthful than what they're seeing on the
evening news, on the television."
What about the arrest of bombing suspect Timothy McVeigh?
"Notice how fake it is: he had a fake driver's license,
purportedly dated April 19th, 1995 -- the same day of the
bombing. He was travelling at a rapid speed down the highway in,
I believe, a yellow vehicle with no license plates, and him
having a gun! He associates with those (or is related to, or is a
cousin of, or something of that sort), with some of the ones of
the Michigan Militia. And that one of those apparently, or
reportedly, is the undercover operative of the DEA! We suspect
that that, from *all* that we know, that that's Terry Nichols or
somebody in that group."
"Please understand: I am not here to support the militia.
However: like the anti-war movement of 25 years ago, it is
spreading across the country because we're at a moment of great
anguish in this country about things that are going wrong. And
it's a 'prairie fire'. And so the government, at such a time,
supplies [provocateurs] in order to put 'em on a dead end. I
mean, that's the government policy: put up 'leaders' as
provocateurs, get the dupes to follow, and then get the dupes
into jail, or get them discredited total."
"And when someone that's knowledgeable, like me, shows up (as I
did 25 years ago) to lecture on this: who gets heckled off the
lecture stage? Me. Why? The dupes are not ready to believe that
their 'leaders' (who are charming) are government operatives. And
that will probably be so now."
"There are some very ordinary people who belong to the militia. I
don't support what they do. But it's a made-to-order thing for a
racial riot tinderbox. Everybody has seen the pictures. Some of
the children that were injured or died were black. Some of the
ordinary office workers that were injured or died in that bombing
were black. And insofar as a white supremacist movement, or
leaders of it that are anti-black and so on are involved in
bombing the building, it's a made-to-order psychological
bombshell itself."
It almost seems that the government's plan is like... it's been
compared to the Reichstag fire.
"Right. I was just gonna say that. You got ahead of me. I was
just gonna compare it to the Reichstag fire." {2}.
"Hitler's opposition in Germany was the German Communist Party.
They had the largest printing presses, other than the main
newspapers, in Germany. They could've really *downed* Hitler in
'33. They didn't. And Hitler put an end to them with the
Reichstag fire blamed on them, and then he rounded 'em up and he
put 'em in concentration camps."
"'Cuz in the beginning, those that were put in the concentration
camps were not necessarily Jews -- they started out to be Gypsies
and communists, and *then* they were Jews, *then* they rounded up
Jews. But in the beginning, they rounded up communists. And that
was on the basis of a sweep; that is, Hitler says, 'The
communists are a treasonous element in Germany. They bombed the
German Parliament, the Reichstag. Round 'em up. Take 'em away.'"
"And if you think that they couldn't create a hysteria in this
country to round up all these dupes that are following some of
these provocateurs in the militia movement -- just wait and see
what the media can crank up a hysteria in this country."
"And a side issue would be the Japanese cults with their poison
gas attacks, threatening theme parks in Disneyland and such like
that."
But Mr. Skolnick, hasn't the government largely failed in their
efforts to whip up hysteria as a result of this bombing? True,
there was a certain amount of unthinking reaction, where, for
example, they had that crowd in Oklahoma booing and yelling for
McVeigh's blood. But on the other hand, my sense is that people
are, maybe, a little more educated these days -- at least *some*
people are.
"I don't accept that. Many people sit there, passively, in front
of the TV. And the thing goes into that portion of the brain
which is not the intellectual portion. And that, of course, has
been documented by others, other than me. It is not like reading
a newspaper: the images from the television go into the
subconscious portion of the brain and create different types of
reactions than reading a book."
"I'll tell you what the government is doing: there is a category
in one of the on-line services called... I think it's 'a.atf' or
something like that [alt.atf?], where they keep track of all
those that access. And it's an exchange of information on
explosives among ordinary people."
"And that is the latest version of an FBI project. Ten, twelve,
fourteen years ago, the FBI had a project -- which *was* exposed
-- of keeping track of all of those across the country that
withdrew books on certain subjects. It got to be a topic at a
meeting of librarians, who opposed it under the first amendment.
But the FBI was keeping track of all of those who withdrew books
on explosives, and dynamite and things like that. And I
interviewed a chief librarian myself on this subject some years
ago. I'll have to re-play the interview, remind myself of
everything."
"But the point is, the FBI has gone to the latest technology. And
*now*, on one of the on-line services, *they* are the originating
force behind this thing of keeping track of everybody that gets
access to that. The letters 'atf' are part of the code of getting
access to that on-line service. I don't have the full, uh, 'entry
code'. But I think you can find..."
My sixth sense on this is, I think their plan to have this
bombing be a prelude to a huge crack-down on militias -- to me,
they have failed in that, for the moment.
"I hate to predict violence: I don't like it; I don't encourage
it. But it seems to me, to carry out their Reichstag fire type of
scenario, that the powers that be in this country are prepared to
assassinate; to bomb other public and private buildings; to get
the public into such a state of anguish and 'psyche them out',
that they will agree to suspension of the rights that many of us
-- not *me* -- but many people take for granted, that they have
these rights, spelled out in the Bill of Rights and so on. They
may find out that they don't have that anymore."
As you predicted, they delivered up a "patsy" on the evening
news.
"Yeah. 'Lee Harvey Oswald' McVeigh."
"I talked to broadcasters that I know all over the United States.
A few of them are very knowledgeable about the militia in their
area. They have supplied me the names and anecdotal information
that would indicate to any reasonable person that understood
provocateurs that 'such and such leaders' in 'that' particular
area of the country, of the militia, are in fact undercover FBI
and so on. I have a list of these names, and they are the ones
that have, in the past, gotten the most news coverage of starting
up with the local law enforcement, or federal law enforcement, or
whatever. And I've asked these broadcasters (off the record, of
course) whether they would go on the air, in their talk show
segment, and say any of this. And they says, 'You gotta be crazy,
Skolnick! They'd come here, bomb our radio towers, or take a big
hook or something and pull 'em down, and claim that they're
promoting the truth thereby!'"
"None of the broadcasters that I've talked to are willing to go
on the air and mention rather specific information that would
convince others that heard it that the ones they're talking about
are, most likely, government-sponsored provocateurs acting as
leaders of the militia in that particular state or locale. No one
is prepared to go on the air or in print (so far; that I've
talked to). I've talked, off-the-record, with various alternative
publications, broadcasters, and so on, and they're *aware* of the
problem of *agents provocateurs* acting as leaders. Not just the
dupes! I mean, the dupes are innocent! It's the *leaders* --
*some* leaders, not all! -- of the militia, that are cranking up
this situation. And then the government is gonna come in with a
propaganda blitz, promoted by the mass media, and round up their
own provocateur leaders of the militia! [laughs]"
"I mean it's... I don't know why I'm laughing. But it's a
dangerous situation to the Bill of Rights. *Very* *dangerous*.
Because the ordinary people will say, 'Yeah. These are the people
that are white supremacists. They went and bombed the nursery and
the building there, and killed, among others, blacks. Yes! Round
'em up! Round 'em *all* up! Them and all their followers!'"
"Hey. You'd have a massive situation, which would be a national
emergency. And at such a time, they'd wave the flag and 'Support
Clinton', and 'Don't criticize your President', and things like
that. And it's a strong psychological move, to stop the grand
jury indictment of the First Lady from being un-sealed."
Have you heard anything more, as to technical aspects of the bomb
blast?
"Well the problem is, they started out with 1200 pounds of
'homemade bomb'... 1500... Now they say 4000 pounds, which is
just short of 2 tons. Can you imagine a 20-foot panel truck,
trundling up with 4000 pounds of chemically volatile 'homemade
bomb'? Which is hard to predict *when* it'd be ready to detonate
it? Bouncing around on streets? My opinion is that a homemade
bomb is hard to set for a [specific] time: it may go off at 9:15;
it may, more likely, go off at 12:15 or 4:15 or the next day!
It's not like a military powder or plastique or some other bomb.
And explosives experts have looked at the pictures and have said
that it looks like there might have been additional explosives
used on the reinforced concrete pillars! Especially in the
basement."
Anything further you wish to say?
"I am just now working on the Hillary indictment story. And the
sources we have for it are very good, and I feel that *that* is
the situation. And when you tie that in with the Wednesday
bombing, and all the other things, it seems to be a pattern of
events."
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{1} Regarding the dollar/yen relationship, maybe this explains
the continued rise in the stock market: as the dollar keeps
losing value, people take their money out of dollars and put it
in the stock market.
{2} Reichstag fire. [From the Encyclopaedia Britannica] The
burning of the Reichstag (parliament) building in Berlin, on the
night of Feb. 27, 1933, [was] a key event in the establishment of
the Nazi dictatorship and widely believed to have been contrived
by the newly formed Nazi government itself to turn public opinion
against its opponents and to assume emergency powers. Hitler had
secured the chancellorship after the elections of November 1932,
but his Nazi Party had not won an overall majority. He therefore
obtained Cabinet consent to fix new elections for March 5, 1933.
Meanwhile, his propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, is supposed
to have devised the scheme whereby 10 agents led by Karl Ernst
were to gain access to the Reichstag through a tunnel leading
from the official residence of Hermann Goring, Reichstag
president and Hitler's chief minister, who was then to conduct an
official investigation, which would fix responsibility for the
fire on the Communists. The supposed arsonist was a Dutchman,
Marinus van der Lubbe, whom some have claimed was brought to the
scene of the crime by Nazi agents. Others have contended that
there was no proof of Nazi complicity in the crime, but that
Hitler merely capitalized on van der Lubbe's independent act. The
fire is the subject of continued debate and research.
On Feb. 28, 1933, the day after the fire, Hitler's dictatorship
began with the enactment of a decree "for the Protection of the
People and the State," which dispensed with all constitutional
protection of political, personal, and property rights. Though
the ensuing elections still did not give the Nazis an outright
majority, they were able to persuade the Reichstag to pass an
Enabling Act (March 23) whereby all its legislative powers were
transferred to the Reich Cabinet by a vote of 444 to 94, so
sanctioning the dictatorship. A feature of the ensuing arson
trial, at which van der Lubbe was convicted, was the acquittal of
the Bulgarian Communist Georgi Dimitrov after a strong defense.
[CN -- See also: Tobias, Fritz, *The Reichstag Fire*, trans. by
A.J. Pomerans (1964)]
Brian Francis Redman bigxc@prairienet.org "The Big C"
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Coming to you from Illinois -- "The Land of Skolnick"
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MAY 1, 1995
On May 1, 1995, I interviewed, by telephone, Mr. Sherman
Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts
[CCCC]. The following is my summary of that interview. (Note that
in the following, I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of Mr. Skolnick's statements.)
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SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
There's... *Z Magazine*, which I've long suspected of being CIA-
sponsored, through foundations, came out with a thing on PeaceNet
claiming that I'm part of a group of researchers and commentators
that instigate others to try to overthrow the government -- which
is [laughs]. {1}.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
This past week, there's been a lot of hysteria going around. And
I trace it to Bill Clinton's appearance on *60 Minutes*, which
from one of your commentaries I gather that you saw that also.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I mean, the guy was "bombed out". I mean, he was so close to
being "flipped out": his eye was twitching; he blamed all his
problems on a broad conspiracy. Hey! It's okay for the rest of us
to talk about a conspiracy. But the people are not accustomed to
having their President... He would have been better off if he
just said, "Lee Harvey Oswald still lives, and *he* bombed the
building." He'd be much better off.
When the President starts talking about a broad conspiracy to
overthrow the government, he's causing a strange backlash,
because some people says, "Oh... So you're talking about broad
conspiracies. How come you're not talking about the Trilateral
Commission meeting a few days after the Oklahoma bombing?" (You
know: April 22nd, 23rd, and 24th.) "How come you're not dealing
with these questions about whether the government bombed the
building?"
You know, once you talk about broad conspiracies, you open the
gates to a *lot* of questions. And I think the FBI and Clinton
talking about broad conspiracies have opened the floodgates for
discussion.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, and I think they're trying to close them now, too. I think
they realize that, and they're trying to "put the cat back in the
bag".
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
But they may have to let that Timothy McVeigh go. Because he
appears to be an "Oswald" type: in other words, somebody may have
steered him to be there. Understand: he was, at one time,
apparently, a security guard for this strange character from
Michigan who wanted to be the spokesman for the militias there,
but isn't. And that's this Mark Koernke. There's a lot of
questions about him. He's very charming and all that, but some of
the militia leaders over there that have called me says that they
have renounced him over a year ago. They think he's a government
plant; he's got a very high-level military intelligence
background, according to *some* of the stories in the press.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
He got pulled from shortwave. He had a show on WWCR...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
...which is a shortwave station. {2}. And, for whatever reason,
they pulled him.
And, you know, I listened to his last show. And he had some guy
named Ted Gunderson on there, that was talking about -- you know,
Ted Gunderson is a former FBI agent...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, I've interviewed him. I know. He headed up the FBI office
in Los Angeles years ago, and he's been -- for about 14 years now
-- he has been investigating satanic cults. {3}. He may also know
about explosives, I think. Did he talk about explosives?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! Yeah. And he was bringing up a lot of questions about this
bombing that kind of cast doubt on the official version of
events.
And what happened is, there's this guy named John DiNardo that
decided he was gonna transcribe the remarks by Gunderson and post
them on the Internet. And some hidden force told him he couldn't
do it -- I mean, it was kind of an odd situation, where somebody
complained about it and so the administration said, "You must
cease and desist." And when DiNardo said, "Well, I'd like to know
who is denouncing me," they said, "Well this is a private
enterprise here." I mean, that their particular node of the
Internet was a private enterprise, and they claimed that they
weren't required to say *who* had denounced DiNardo.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
For what? For circulating explosives information?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
No! For circulating... Ted Gunderson was on Koernke's show, and
he had given an alternative viewpoint on *who*, or what the bomb
was -- you know, as far as what the actual source of the bomb
was, who the bombers might have been.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
And somebody connected with Internet *stopped* him??
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! Well, you know, the thing is there's a lot of providers for
Internet, okay? There's a lot of "on ramps", you know? Like
Prodigy is an "on ramp" [Prodigy is *not* the one that pulled the
plug on DiNardo]. And supposedly, because, say, whatever provider
DiNardo was using is a private enterprise, that somebody
complained to their administration about this. And they told
DiNardo he's gotta "cease and desist" on this.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Is that about the first time that has happened?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
It's scarey!
Yeah... I mean, especially... This was not *bomb* *making*
information. This was just an alternative point of view about,
you know, what possibly caused that bomb blast.
Like I say: it's a *crazy* *week*! I've been... After Clinton's
appearance on *60 Minutes*, I began to get *tons* of e-mail
messages, *demanding* that I provide proof. You know, like "*You*
*must* *provide* *proof*!" And so, I would just write back,
"Well, for *what*?!" You know? It's like, suppose somebody called
you up and said, "You must provide proof!" You'd say, "Well, for
what, specifically?"
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well what I tell those people, politely, is, "Do you call up the
editor of the *New York Times* and says, 'Uh, this story here,
where you say <>, uh,
from *whom* have they learned it?' You know, they do that all the
time. So what's wrong with lesser journalists doing the same?"
I mean, in other words, a lesser journalist might be more
inclined to tell the truth than the *New York Times*! I mean,
proof of *what*? I mean, in our case, we've been at this since
1963. We've got a long track record of exposing corruption and
political murders -- and telling the truth! That, alone, should
be in our favor: that we're not inclined to make idle statements.
We don't make idle statements.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. I said pretty much the same thing. I had a prepared
statement, saying that you had been an investigative reporter,
doing this kind of work for 30 years, looking into government
corruption.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I mean, look what's happened here: our story about the sealed
indictments [against Hillary Clinton et al.] has gotten --
because of your using it on Internet and so on -- has gotten the
White House into a froth! As a result, a spokesperson for the
White House counsel, Abner Mikva, denied it. But *others* in the
White House have talked, off-the-record, not for attribution,
saying, "Well... If there *are* some indictments, maybe they're
defective. And maybe they won't be released until June. And if
so, at that time Clinton will resign."
So I mean, they're talking out of both sides of their mouth at
the same time -- which tends to show that my story about the
sealed indictments was correct! It's correct, but they're trying
to hush it up, or cover it up, or pooh-pooh it, or whatever! To
get rid of the story, somehow.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, and there was some other source, that people were trying to
track down, that had also said the same thing. And they were
trying to confirm if they're independent of...
You see, it's kind of hard. If I send out, you know, that you're
saying that Hillary Clinton is under indictment, and I turn on
Koernke's show and *he's* saying that Hillary Clinton's under
indictment, right away I think, "Well, where's *he* gettin' that
from? Did he get that from me?"
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Okay. Here's something else. We did a story... I think we were
about the first in the country to do a story about Systematics (a
unit of ALLTEL), and that Systematics was involved in spying on
central banks of other countries, using a low-orbit satellite and
INSLAW software, with the "trap door". Do you know what has
happened to that story? Reporters have confronted the foreign
affairs spokesperson for the National Security Council [NSC]
(which is connected with the White House). And the reporters were
told, in respect to Systematics, that it is not unlawful for an
American company to spy overseas.
When the reporters went one step further, and says, "Well, what
if they try to bring that information, that they obtained by
spying, back into the United States," the spokesperson for the
NSC said, "Well... That's a legal question. But it is not
unlawful to spy overseas."
So you see: our story about Systematics is "100 percent". In
other words, the National Security Council's spokesperson does
not deny it, that there has been this spying going on. Because
central banks of other countries are very angry at the United
States. And it might be *one* of several reasons why there's an
attack on the dollar in respect to the yen, the deutschmark, and
the Swiss franc; that might be *one* of the reasons.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
A lot of people are interested in finding out about this Oklahoma
City bombing. What's your information now? Do you suspect the ATF
now?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well I suspect the ATF of complicity. *And*, I saw the story,
faxed around by the head of the Michigan Militia [Olson], about
that they believe that there's a connection between the poison
gas attacks in the Japanese subway and this bombing. Now some
people would reject it and say, "Now wait a minute. That's 'way
out'." It is true that others in the militia there told him
[Olson] to resign. However: the story has a certain ring of truth
to it. I'm not going with it as a story, I'm only commenting on a
story that was circulated around. I think it has a certain amount
of validity to it. And I am gonna see just what pieces of other
information tend to support this, well, call it a "theory".
Because you see, there's a number of strange events that, in
later times, may end up in some history book as being related
events: McNamara's book comes out (which has been in the works
for a year). It comes out a few weeks before the Oklahoma
bombing, in so many words saying that Americans were lied to
about the Vietnam War and that McNamara could have played a role
in bringing the truth out, which might have saved... At the time,
he *knew* that the Vietnam War was a fraud. There had already
been 16,000 casualties, dead. Which means, from that point
forward they could've saved 40,000 Americans! I mean, if total
casualties were about 56,000 dead. So he could've saved over
40,000! So a lot of ex-GIs are really "up the wall" about the
whole situation. And I've heard that there's a lot of ex-GIs are
now joining the militia as a result of the bombing! Never mind
that the President says that there's a vast conspiracy against
the White House. I think that there's been a backlash and a lot
of people say that they're...
Because the militia people have been allowed to say on the
television things that were known, but never *on* the major
television: that there are secret societies meeting (like the
Trilateral Commission); that perhaps the government has bombed
their own building, in order to have an excuse for martial law;
that there are large numbers of foreign troops in the United
States, and so on -- things that the mass media has avoided ever
mentioning. But because the militia's been attacked, this is the
way that they retaliate. And I think that many of the things that
the militia says -- their spokespeople -- are correct!! Which is,
some of the rest of us know about. And *how* is the media gonna
deal with this?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Like you said: it seems like they're back-tracking; that they're
trying to go back to the O.J. Simpson routine, again, where
"What's the latest on the O.J. Simpson trial."
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, 'cuz the O.J. Simpson thing is, has more or less been
"blanked out".
Because from the details that are coming out about the, having
Timothy McVeigh, as a defendant, charged with some role in the
bombing -- *that* seems to be in error. McVeigh's latest lawyer
has said that the FBI's got the wrong man. And that may well be
true!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I noticed that too. And I wanted to make a short note of that, is
that, strictly speaking, McVeigh has not been found guilty in a
court of law. But he's being talked about on numerous TV and
radio shows as if he's guilty! But you know, strictly speaking,
he has not been found guilty.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well here's the way that it appears: according to published
reports, McVeigh was a security guard of sorts for Mark Koernke.
Koernke is suspected by others in the Michigan Militia of being a
government plant. Because Koernke has high-level intelligence
connections; he went to one of the *top* secret military
intelligence schools -- I believe in Arizona. And yes, he is
charming and he says a few things that are interesting. But he...
There's something about him that indicates that he may be a
provocateur! So the fact that Timothy McVeigh worked in some
capacity *for* him, and is now accused of some role in the
bombing -- I find the whole chain of circumstances *very*
*suspect*. In other words, did someone like Koernke tell McVeigh,
"Go and spy out the building," (you know), "'Case' the building"
-- and not tell him *why*? And then other people [that] are now
becoming witnesses for the FBI says, "Oh yes! We saw McVeigh,
three days before the bombing, looking at the building!"
Well McVeigh -- if that is true -- McVeigh may not have even
known what he was doing there, any more than maybe Oswald didn't
know what *he* was doing in Dealey Plaza. I mean, in other words,
a "patsy".
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And the other thing is that McVeigh has got, really, a *tenuous*
connection to the Michigan Militia, in that he had tried to join
-- but they expelled him! Okay? And the thing is, that you get
this bombing. And right *with* the bombing, juxtaposed with the
bombing, you get story after story about the militias! {4}. And
to me, you know it's like you had said about how the television
kind of gets beyond your thought, and it goes underneath your
thought...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Subconscious. Right. And what is never discussed, except -- I
think we're about the only ones in the country that discuss it.
(Because I've been on the periphery of broadcasting for over 30
years.) And that is, the broadcast industry -- radio and TV --
are subject to emergency proclamations -- unpublicized -- by the
White House. And that started during the anti-Vietnam and anti...
the civil rights marches and commotions that occurred in the
'60s, the murder of Dr. King. Because after the murder of Dr.
King, 103 cities were burning. So if Dr. King was assassinated
*today*, they would quietly announce tonight that he died in the
hospital of "natural causes". You see?
In other words, the radio and TV stations are under the thumb of
the White House! And that is happening now. People that I know in
broadcasting confirm it, but they'll be darned if they'll go on
the air and ever say it, because they fear their license will be
in jeopardy.
So the media, now, is so *slanted*! In other words, Clinton gave
an emergency order that the media is to support the White House
policy that may be necessary to round up the militia as part of a
"broad conspiracy to overthrow the government". And they need the
help of the media to soften up the public that "It's okay to
round up these people."
So I'm about the only one, that understands broadcasting, that
talks about it. None of the others in broadcasting would *dare*
say a single word about the White House emergency pronouncement
that's in effect right now, since the bombing. They just won't
discuss it!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. Another thing about the so-called "reporting" by the mass
media is that, two years ago during the Waco situation, the
media, every morning at 10 in the morning they'd go to the FBI
spokesman. And whatever the FBI spokesman *told* them, they would
report that; that was their idea of "reporting" what was going
on. {5}.
And the same thing's goin' on now, it seems to me. That the media
is just going to the official sources, goin' to the FBI and all
these people, being spoon-fed their version of things, and then
"reporting" that.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. Why don't they go to the head of the ATF, in Washington --
the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms -- and ask him: "Can
you explain why it is that none of your people were in the
building at the time of the bombing? Can you explain why you had
exotic weapons parked in your office? Missile launchers and
things like that? Why was it necessary to have that *in* your
office? And did any of those devices explode when the building
blew up?"
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. And the thing is... Okay, I was gonna ask you about that:
you're saying that there was *no* ATF present when the building
blew up?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right. That's been widely reported, and I think it is quite
correct.
We also know, from federal sources, that there were original
documents, not replicated elsewhere, in that office in Oklahoma
City, that related to the role of Janet Reno and Clinton in the
massacre in Waco.
Beyond that, we have known a great deal about the violent
background of the ATF. Because some years ago, through a series
of circumstances, we obtained -- well, it fell into our
possession (put it that way) -- all of the spiral notebooks of
the chief investigator of the ATF in Chicago, who arranged for
violence directed against the peace movement, violence against
the Black Panthers, violence against civil rights activists,
through his office, through people that they trained and put out
on the streets -- paid provocateurs -- which he, again and again
in his *own* handwriting, in his notebooks, refers to as
"militant activists" -- "M.A.'s". And with *that* *background* --
the whole thing about the ATF not being in the office in Oklahoma
City, and the building being bombed -- the ATF has got a strange,
violent past of promoting government policy with violence and
bombings when, in fact, the ATF is supposed to regulate
explosives! But on occasion, to carry out government policy, they
*supply* explosives to their own bombers to bomb, for example, a
church in a Chicago suburb which was the site of anti-war
meetings. And I was the first speaker at the church after they
re-built it, so I know a great deal about it.
And since we have thousands and thousands of pages from the top
official's notebooks -- I also interviewed him on the phone and
he was flabbergasted to find out that I somehow had all of his
notebooks. I got that on tape, and I can play that tape, for
anybody that's skeptical.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
All right. But gettin' back to this thing about how there was no
ATF in the building when it blew up: number one, the explosion
was at about 9:02 a.m., so by then there *should* have been
*some* ATF. Ordinarily there should have been some ATF personnel
in the building.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And you say that that's been widely reported. I think the *Los
Angeles Times* was gonna be lookin' into that.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Why didn't any of the media people pick up the phone and say,
"Look. This is NBC, this is CBS -- ATF chief, how come none of
your people were in the office? Explain." None of the media
people have picked up the phone and asked for an explanation from
the BATF! Why? What's stopping them? I mean, maybe lesser
journalists like myself -- free-lance journalists -- maybe we
don't have the clout to demand an answer from the head of the
BATF. But hey: if Ted Koppell or somebody from ABC News calls up,
the ATF is gonna have to answer. But the point is, none of those
high muckity-muck media people are bothering to ask routine
questions!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
Okay, I wanted to... I'm tryin' to cover some ground here, 'cuz I
figured the best way to do this is, do it in half-hour
installments, and keep gettin' back to you so -- partly because
of the phone bill, and partly because of, it's just more
manageable.
Okay. Going back to this *60 Minutes* appearance by Clinton
where, it seemed to me he was trying to ignite a mass hysteria --
and to an extent, he succeeded. There seems to be an attempt to
-- you know, whether or not you like the G. Gordon Liddy Show --
there seems to be an ongoing attempt to create a "bandwagon
effect" of, for example: almost immediately after the bombing,
they said that some station out in California had "decided that
they were gonna pull the G. Gordon Liddy Show". But then, it
comes out later that this same station had previously decided
that they were gonna be changing their format. You know, that it
had nothing to do with controversial comments by Liddy.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well I think the attack on Liddy is because he came up with an
apparent witness that was the first one to see [Vince] Foster's
body laying there in the park. And the witness claimed that there
was no gun in his [Foster's] hand. And since Liddy talked about
it on his show, I think that they're using the bombing criticism
as an excuse to try to squelch Liddy because he has caused the
White House so much trouble with his stories about the strange
death of White House aide Vincent Foster, jr.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
It's not only that. He's been *really* hammering on the Waco
incident and Ruby Ridge.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Right.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I mean, I listen to a lot of shows, you know, and I don't
necessarily endorse everything that Liddy says. But if you listen
to his show, he, it seems like every show, he goes into the ATF,
the Waco Massacre, and all this stuff.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He put on one *very* controversial show. He put on a probe -- he
had a gun dealer on. And the ATF broke into [the gun dealer's
house] and *wrecked* his house, killed his domestic pets, stole
his medicine that he needed for a serious illness -- did all kind
of horrors to him. And they now have some kind of civil action
against the ATF.
But the press [a.k.a. Pravda], generally, has not mentioned this
terrible incident. And Liddy spent a good portion of a program
one day having the one that this happened to talk about it on the
radio show. And so I think Liddy has greatly antagonized the ATF.
And since the ATF might be part of this bombing, in some way --
Liddy is bothering 'em, so they're trying to squelch him.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. That's what it kind of seems to me, too.
You know, I was thinking also that, in Germany, in the '30s, a
citizen could see what was going on, possibly, and at some point
could decide, "Well. I'm gonna flee the country. I can see where
it's goin', and I'm gonna get out of here. I'm gonna go to
England; I'm gonna go to the United States."
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I want you to know that that is *quietly* happening, by very
wealthy people. I know people who have wealthy friends, and they
are telling me that *that* is what's happening. But they're doing
it very quietly. They're trying to get passports from another
country, as if they're a resident of Germany or France or
England. In other words, they, in effect, want to give up their
U.S. citizenship in order to get their assets out of the United
States.
And of course there's a movement in Congress to tax those that do
that, that give up their U.S. citizenship, in order that their
wealth not be subject to taxes.
But I think that move has escalated since the bombing. In other
words, they sense that there's something -- a sinister trend in
the United States. Some people that are experts on history
immediately think about the event in 1933 when Hitler had his own
people burn down the German Parliament, the Reichstag, and blame
it onto left-wing and communists. And that seems to be... In
other words, the Oklahoma bombing seems to be the "Reichstag" of
the present White House. In other words, they may have bombed it
themselves, or somebody *for* the White House, and they're
blaming it on others.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
But gettin' back to this thing about fleein' the country: *I*
even think like this. You know, I think like, at some point in
time, I'm just gonna get myself out of this country because it
just seems like... You know, I'm willin' to do what I *can*. But
I'm not gonna hang around for the bitter end, you know. But I
think: well where, what country do you go to? I'm tryin' to think
-- like Finland? Or...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well one of the things that you gotta consider is that America,
as a major industrial power, is the only country that,
historically, has *not* had a genuine revolution. They do call it
"The American Revolutionary War", but it was mostly the
mercantile class *here* against the King of England. But there's
been no genuine revolution in the history of the United States.
And the way things are shaping up, the way they're mis-treating
middle-income people, the way they're causing a great anguish by
ordinary people -- somewhere down the road, America is gonna face
an armed revolution.
In other words, the militia is an indication of anguish, by
ordinary people, many of 'em ex-soldiers, against the central
government. And that anguish is gonna increase, because they now
have a documented study, by McNamara, that we were led into a
fraudulent war, causing the death of 56,000 ordinary Americans,
for un-Constitutional purposes.
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{1} If anyone can steer me to the relevant PeaceNet article,
i.e., the one mentioned by Skolnick which puts him down, please
let me know.
{2} For now, anyway, Koernke's *Intelligence Report* seems to be
gone. The show that has replaced him seems good, however. I don't
know the name of the new show, but it seems to be scheduled for
most/all weekday evenings, 7-8 pm cst, 5.065 MHz, WWCR.
{3} >>Theory<<: maybe that is why the government is so gung-ho
about attacking what it calls "religious cults"; i.e., the
government, partially infiltrated by Satanists, naturally begins
to storm fringe religious groups.
{4} "...juxtaposed with the bombing, you get story after story
about the militias..." Going back to what we all learned in
Psychology 101, i.e., Pavlovian response conditioning, we can see
how the unthinking public has been conditioned to associate the
militia movement with the Oklahoma bombing. Just as Pavlov
conditioned dogs to salivate at the sound of a bell by forming an
immediate association between the bell and food, so too the
unthinking public has been conditioned to associate the militia
movement with the Oklahoma bombing, again through repetitive
association between the bombing and the militias. In point of
fact, as noted, any actual connection is tenuous.
But *why* has the media conditioned the unthinking public to
associate the militia movement with the Oklahoma City bombing?
Has the unthinking public been psychologically softened up so as
to be willing to accept future government actions against these
militias? Stay tuned.
{5} This observation, as I recall, was originally made by Linda
Thompson.
Brian Francis Redman bigxc@prairienet.org "The Big C"
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Coming to you from Illinois -- "The Land of Skolnick"
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INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MAY 17, 1995
On May 17, 1995, I interviewed, by telephone, Mr. Sherman
Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee to Clean-up the Courts
[CCCC]. The following is my summary of that interview. (Note that
in the following, I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with
either all or some of Mr. Skolnick's statements.)
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CONSPIRACY NATION:
What's going on these days with Whitewater?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
What's happening is, there's a statute of limitations deadline,
that's May 25th, '95, to do something about White House aide
Bruce Lindsey. He's mentioned in different stories as having been
fingered by uh -- Neal Ainsley, I think the name is? So, many
expected that he was the next to be indicted. And he occupies the
office, in the White House, between the oval office and Al Gore.
So he's not a "nobody".
So, if between now and the 25th, Kenneth Starr causes Mr. Lindsey
to be indicted, then, the way the dominoes are falling, the next
one would fall on the oval office: Clinton himself.
And so, it may be that there's a great deal of nervousness now in
the White House.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
One thing I've always noticed is, sometimes, on your recorded
commentaries {1}, you'll say "Our chairman", okay? You'll say,
"This person was interviewed by 'our chairman.'" Who's "The
chairman"?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, that's me. The point is, I don't like to talk in the first
person, 'cuz I'm a spokesman for the group, and this isn't a
personal commentary. I don't know if it would sound right if I
said "me", "I", and stuff like that. I talk in the third person
so that, irrespective of *who* is delivering the commentary to
the recorded tape, it would sound more objective.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay.
I wanted to get into this idea of "The New World Order". For
somebody like me, that I, essentially, I come from the "left", as
my background (although, recently, I've been reading a lot of
different sources; not just from the "left") -- but I can
understand where, somebody from the "left" would automatically
respond to this idea of "The New World Order" as...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, you know, when I used to give speeches in front of colleges
several years ago, I had this favorite saying that some of the
students understood. I says, "You know, they try very hard (the
press does, and the FBI and the rest of 'em) to see to it that
there's no genuine left wing in the United States. So that, if
the United States was an airplane, it'd be the only airplane of
its kind in the world, that flies with only one wing! -- and it
ain't 'left.'"
That used to help the students try to understand that.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
But my idea for, say, some readers of... that maybe think that
this, "The New World Order" is kind of a crazy thing: you know,
one way of looking at it is (this is from something that Noam
Chomsky wrote in a small booklet called *The Prosperous Few and
the Restless Many* {2} ):
Throughout history, the structures of government have tended
to coalesce around other forms of power -- in modern times,
primarily around economic power. So, when you have national
economies, you get national states. We now have an
international economy and we're moving towards an
international state. {3}
Okay? And that's right from Noam Chomsky!
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, but let me say something.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
I know that you're skeptical about Noam Chomsky.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well... Here's the problem. There's various commentators, some of
'em right-wing, some of 'em mainstream, who talk that "Big
Brother" is "leftist". And they even say that Ted Kennedy, the
Senator from Massachusetts, is "liberal" and "leftist", and that
"Big Brother" is... the right wing likes to call it "socialist".
What's wrong with it is, none of 'em ever bothered to check the
definition. Socialism means the working people, the common
people, the common folks, owning the instruments of production
and communication. And it has nothing to do with these other
interpretations that these right-wing radio announcers put on it,
and so on.
I mean, one of the things that's little-known is, early in his
career, J. Edgar Hoover, as the head of the FBI, saw to it that
no "lefties" were allowed to own a radio broadcast license.
So when these other right-wingers and such that say that the news
media is "left wing" and "liberal" -- I really don't know what
they're talking about. If labor activists, trade union activists
-- true "lefties" -- are, historically have not been allowed to
own and operate radio and TV broadcast licenses in the United
States, then what is this idea that the media, you know,
headquartered in New York, is "left wing", "Big Brother",
"socialist" agenda?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! I agree with you. I think there's a real confusion in
terms, as far as -- you know, they're calling people "from the
left" like, as you say, East Coast liberal, ivy-league types.
These are the same people that, they've never really *worked*. I
mean, I've had *tons* of professors that, I've talked with them,
and they've said that, basically, they just went to college and
became professors. And they've got *no* *connection* with the
average, working-class person.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. And the media and others often describe "what the working
people are all about," what... They use the word out of Orwell:
"Big Brother". And basically, George Orwell (that's another thing
that they don't go into) -- Orwell, in writing his book, *1984*,
with all these names that he created -- "Big Brother" and all
that -- he basically was trying to put down the left wing. And so
right-wingers, and narrow-minded types, and rednecks, and all
these other types that don't want to be sophisticated: whenever
there's something that helps ordinary people, they right away
say, "It's 'Big Brother'! We've gotta put an end to it."
It's like now, the current issue of *Time* magazine has got a
hatchet on the cover, and "Cut The Budget". What do they want to
do? I mean, they want to cut food stamps. And yet, they don't
point out that the whole food stamp program wouldn't pay for one
nuclear aircraft carrier.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! That's somethin' else: that, whenever it comes to where
people say, "Let's reduce the size of government," they *always*
go after women with babies, or anybody that's...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Or they talk about "the welfare system" -- where it's mostly
rural whites. They never like to put on the television the rural
whites in the state of Maine that are absolutely *impoverished*.
Or the rural whites in southern Illinois. But they point to the
black population in the major cities as if all of *them* are on
welfare!
And the other thing: you know, I like to, I like to get into
these things. Because I'll tell ya why: the blacks are some of
the hardest-working people in the world. And I live in an all-
black neighborhood, myself. (And, you know, I'm livin' here,
since the *neighborhood* is here and I didn't move away. Some of
my other neighbors and such, they moved away to the prosperous
northwest suburbs.) But the point is, 5 o'clock in the morning,
all the lights go on; everybody is gettin' up, to go to work.
This idea that blacks are all on welfare and are lazy and are not
working is a terrible, terrible, *erroneous* stereotype. They do
among the hardest work in the post office, and in the back
departments of the hotels, together with the Hispanics. I like to
tell this joke that, if they don't stop beating blacks on the
head, their *mail* isn't gonna arrive! You know what I'm saying?
And who punches out most of the checks, the percentage of blacks
that are working in the Social Security Administration. I mean,
they're operatin' the machinery, they're doin' the hard work. I
don't understand these people, that want to beat *these* people
on the head!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Well, you know what it is: it's because they're the least
powerful.
A lot of people from the "left", they hear this thing about "The
New World Order" and it sounds really weird to them.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well it's not "new", it's... President Franklin D. Roosevelt put
the Latin terms for "The New World Order"...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah: "Novus ordo seclorum".
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
...on the back of the dollar bill.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
*He* put that on there, huh?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh, apparently that started with the, about 1933, when they
changed the money. I could be wrong, but that's what some
scholars, who claim they know about it, said.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
"Novus ordo seclorum". "New World Order" *is* a translation. I
would translate it, literally, as "New Order of the Ages".
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, what's wrong with it is, it's really not "The *New* World
Order". The very wealthy, the ultra rich, what they do is, they
put up retainers... What it is is, "Change -- That There Be *No*
Change At All". They don't want the *status quo* to be changed,
so they give the impression that there *is* change. It's really
"The Old World Order". It's not "The New World Order" at all.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Well, all right. But see, my perspective... This is what
convinced me that there *is*, indeed, a plan for a "New World
Order", is based on -- whether or not you agree with Chomsky;
sometimes I agree with him, and I agree with him that, when he
says that governments tend to coalesce around the economic power.
And then you've got the economic power, that's going *global*.
What's gonna follow from *that* is a globalization of the
government.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, if that's what they had in mind when they started
Internet... But once they let the genie out of the bottle, they
found out that there's some clever people out there are gonna use
this to get *around* the mainstream liars.
Because people like Ben Bagdikian, an expert on media monopoly,
in his books and so on {4}, says that by the middle of the last
decade of the 20th century there will be only *six* multinational
companies that will own the entire communications establishment:
the radio, the TV, the print media, the books, communications --
all of it. On that basis, it gets to be a monopoly.
So part of the globalization was to set up Internet, figuring
that that same thing is gonna help! But *instead* of that, a lot
of clever people are getting a lot of truth, that's been bottled
up by the three TV networks and the rest of 'em, on Internet, to
the point where Clinton and others feel threatened by it. And
they'd like to shut down Internet, if they could find one wire,
with a big snippers to snip that one wire. That's assuming that
it's a wire! It might be wireless! [laughs]
In other words, the genie has gotten out of the bottle, and they
would like to restore their monopoly to the situation.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay.
But anyway, see, a lot of my readers are coming from the "right",
so-called. But there's others that are coming from the "left".
And a lot of 'em hear about this idea of "The New World Order"
and, you know, it sounds just too nuts to them.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well I'm against putting labels on people. Because, in other
words, if they say you're "left", they says, "Oh! I can't talk to
you." And then "left wing" says, "Oh! You're a 'right-wing'. I
can't talk to you."
The ones that encourage that are the mainstream, monopoly-minded
types, that want to control everything. And it's a mistake to put
labels on people. It's a very great mistake.
And the best thing for people is to look at their idea. And look
at their, the way they analyze the facts and history of the
world, and go on that basis -- instead of putting a label.
They like to call me a "conspiracy theorist" and I grievously
hate that. Because... Well, I explain it this way: I says, "First
of all, the way things are: so nuts that, if you're not nuts, if
you're not paranoid, you're crazy." That's number one. And number
two is, you've gotta understand what's going on in the world
and... and the ultra rich are running everything. So, I mean,
they're only one percent of the people -- we outnumber them --
why are we so *worried* about them? In any case, we outnumber
them.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, the general distinction of so-called "left" versus so-
called "right" was pointed to by an article by Chip Berlet, where
he warned of "Right Woos Left". He was all over, "sounding the
alarm"...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well *Z Magazine*, his enterprise there, I have reason to believe
is just another CIA front.
You see, that's another thing that's wrong in the country:
there's too many foundations that control the "left" press. The
right-wing press is financed by right-wing books and such. The
left-wing press -- *The Nation*, *In These Times* (headquartered
in Chicago) -- are all tied in with foundations -- alleged
liberal foundations -- fronting for the CIA! And when you're on
that kind of a ball and chain with the espionage people, how the
hell can you tell the truth!?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. But going back to Berlet, I don't know how to put this: I
don't *know* that he's somebody that's disinformation, or working
for the establishment or whatever...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well he put out a story, all over, that I'm one of the leading
Nazis in the United States. And it is a *plain* *lie*! And it's a
lie that bothers me no end, because *I* started the campaign to
expose the Nazi war criminals in the United States. My friends
hired a big ballroom of one of the older hotels in 1976. And I
conducted the first major seminar in the United States
identifying the Nazi war criminals that live amongst us. And a
lot of 'em were still alive in 1976. *Now*, by 1995, some have
died off and so on. But in 1976, former gestapo types and so on
were all over the place in the United States.
So for Chip Berlet to say that Sherman Skolnick is a leading
*Nazi*, is *far* from the truth! Directly *opposite* to the
truth.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, he has really been spreading things that I -- I don't know
how to put it -- that disgust me.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well, he claims that Oswald did it alone [laughs]. Okay.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, but where he's saying in this essay of his, where he's
*warning* people of, you know, the thing was "Right Woos Left",
that the "right" is trying to form a coalition, in other words.
To *me*, we're used to saying this thing about the "left" versus
the "right". I think that's how they prevent a coalition from
being formed.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. In other words, what he's trying to do is prevent people
from coming together over common issues.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! "Divide and conquer."
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Look. The rest of us, that are not the ultra rich (that's only
one percent of the people), uh... we have a lot of things in
common with the rest of the bulk of the people. And what's the
point of putting labels on 'em?
The major issue, which we ask every candidate during the election
period that comes on our cable TV show -- what is the one
question we ask 'em? (And none of the candidates, for Governor or
whatever other, ever answer.) And that is, I make the statement:
"The ultra rich, generally, pay no taxes (through corruption and
other means). *And*, that is the major problem in America. What
are *you* gonna do, 'candidate' (whether a man or a woman), what
are you gonna do to tax the ultra rich?"
And this one question ties them in such a knot. Because the basic
question in the United States, generally is not dealt with --
certainly not by the magazines and the radio talk shows -- and
that is, the *absolute* *failure* to tax the ultra rich. They're
like kings and queens, or sacred cows. They are not taxed. And
that has been true since the federal income tax was put in.
And so, when they point to "The country's going bankrupt," "We've
got no money for fixing railroads, the roads, street signs,
street lights, running hospitals, libraries, schools" -- there is
really only *one* answer. And that is, the failure to tax the
ultra rich. If that one percent of the people, that owns and
operates most of America, paid a proper percentage on their
assets and wealth, there wouldn't *be* any problem in America.
I mean, the Rockefellers, the Mellons, and the Morgans and the
others, generally pay no tax at all. And this came out when
Nelson Rockefeller was put up as Vice-President under the 25th
amendment in 1975. (Not by election but by appointment.) And he
testified that he and his family had not paid, the Rockefeller
family, had not paid *any* *taxes*. The richest man in America
had not paid any taxes in the previous eleven years.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, that's like Leona Helmsley, where she said this thing,
"Only the little people pay taxes."
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well... She's not that very wealthy. I'm talkin' about the
*ultra* rich. Not millionaires but *ultra* rich: the billionaire
billionaires.
And here's Nelson Rockefeller, testifying that he and his family
did not pay anything for the previous 11 years! Hey. If the guys
that have the most don't pay anything, is it any wonder that
we've got 100-year-old bridges that collapse, railroad tracks
that are in bad shape, hospitals that are bankrupt {5}, libraries
and schools, school districts, that are bankrupt? The guys with
the real money are not paying anything! *And*, since they own the
instruments of communication, *their* puppets are not gonna ask
some candidate, "Uh, what are you gonna do, Mr. or Madam
Candidate, about the failure to tax the ultra rich?" Nobody asks
the question! I'm one of the few that asks the question. And
that's because we do a free TV show, where nobody taps us on the
shoulder and says, "Hey! Skolnick: *shut* *up*!"
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay. But I kind of wanted to cover one more thing on this thing
about *why* we should fear, or be concerned, about "The New World
Order", is that, if a global government coalesces around the
global economic power, then that is gonna supersede the Bill of
Rights in this country.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well they're doin' that now. Because the Bill of Rights is in
"suspension mode". Newsletter writers and others are getting
knocks on the door by the FBI: "I saw in your newsletter there
that you mentioned the militia. What about it?"; "I saw in your
commentary... What about it?"
And so those that refuse to talk to the FBI, they show you, right
at your door, a big stack of all the information they compiled on
you: your bank loan, your car, your this, your telephone -- they
got all your telephone records.
See, there's a national security directive in effect right now,
as a result of the bombing in Oklahoma. And, in other words, the
FBI doesn't need any further powers, because the President
himself claims there's a *plot* to overthrow the government, it's
a national security matter. And they're goin' around, and they're
tryin' to stifle the few independent voices of communication that
we have left in the country: newsletter writers, commentators,
smaller radio station moderators -- they're all gettin' a knock
on the door! And not every one of 'em is sayin', "Hey, FBI: you
don't have an arrest warrant or search warrant for this address.
So go away!" Some of 'em are becoming frightened. Why? They have
children; they're worried about their mortgage. The FBI informs
them that they've already been to the mortgage company; they're
talkin' to all their neighbors. In other words, they're puttin'
on the general, there's a general "wave of terror" against the
few independent voices in the country.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Okay, and that's been prompted by this thing with the Oklahoma
bombing where...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah well that's a good reason to suspect that the government did
it, for the purpose of suspending the Bill of Rights. Whatever
you think about the militias, whether you're for or against their
position, they seem to have the facts right: there's an effort
underway to suspend the Bill of Rights for this "New World Order"
business.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. And that would bring me back to this thing of, approaching
this thing from the "left" via Chomsky's idea of governments
coalescing around the economic power, and the global government
superseding the Bill of Rights, so that it *is* something to be
feared; that this is not some thing where people on the "left"
can say, "Oh well, these 'right wing' people."
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
There are two questions that *Time* magazine and the other
blowhard pundits have *not* dealt with is, they have not
adequately explained: What are the large numbers of foreign
troops doing on our soil? Are we facing a big problem, like Spain
in 1933, where they brought Italy and Germany's armies onto
Spanish soil to deal with a civil war?
And the other thing is, *Time* magazine, discussing what the
militias are complaining about, would have you believe that all
these secret societies (like the Bilderbergs and so on), which
the top publication pundits go to, and then never tell us
anything -- what happened there -- that they're just little
"luncheon groups" that are of no consequence.
I mean, the major makers and shakers of the world go to these
secret conferences -- the Trilateral Commission, the Council on
Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group. No report comes back.
Only a few, right-wing journals talk about it. And then *Time*
magazine, because the militias are making an issue of it, is
pooh-poohing it and says, "No, no... It's just a luncheon group."
When you see a list of the Bilderberg Group, it's... the
publisher of *Time* magazine, the editor-in-chief that's there.
How come their magazine doesn't tell us what happened at the
secret conference, where *they* *themselves* are part of it!?
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Do you know of any good books on the Bilderbergers?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh, the only ones that publish it are the ultra-right wing!
[laughs] So-called "ultra-right wing". The left wing, that gets a
lot of CIA foundation money (like *The Nation*, and *In These
Times*, and so on), they're not gonna go into it at all. So, I
mean in a way it's a mistake to call 'em a "left wing".
They're... I'm not sure what part of the airplane they are,
whether they're the tail or the jet. [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I know what you mean! Because, it's almost like the left
has pretty much disappeared. I mean, the *real* left. 'Cuz I
remember that, say, in the '60s, that...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well if you looked at my files, what would you find? Communist
Party USA, clippings on them is in a right-wing file! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
You'd have to understand the logic we apply, because *they* were
a spokesman for the Moscow government. And so, *what* genuine
left wing is there, in this country? The labor unions are, many
of 'em are too close to the corporations they're supposed to
unionize. It's a mistake to call that there's a union movement in
the United States. The number of people working, that belong to
unions, has fallen below 16 percent. So the bulk of the United
States is working now without union contracts, without union
benefits. Which means, instead of getting $15 an hour, you'd be
lucky if you get $5 an hour. And with that, you have the
contradiction that, you're making $5 an hour, and they want to
sell you a $12,000 car! I mean, there's a contradiction.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
And the thing is, a lot of these so-called, say, call 'em
"establishment leftists"... I don't see that the "left" has
really got a connection to the working class. There's exceptions.
Like there's a group in Detroit that was puttin' out a weekly
newspaper called "The International Workers Bulletin", where they
were *involved* in their community, okay?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah. Those are genuine people.
The point is, *what* "left wing" are they talkin' about? *In
These Times* reportedly gets their money through a so-called
"liberal foundation": The Institute for Policy Studies [IPS],
which made them make a U-turn on the October Surprise story by
threatening to cut their money off. And we, from what we know
about the IPS, believe they're connected with the CIA! So I mean,
*what* independent, left-wing publication...
All of the "left-wing" publications, put together, if you added
them all up from their circulation statements that they're
obliged to file every fall under the postal regulations -- all of
'em, put together, do not amount to 150,000 circulation. The
average of these small publications is about 5,000. So *one*
*Chicago Tribune* or one *New York Times* *drowns* *them* *out*!
In fact, Ferdinand Lundberg(sp?), in his book, *The Rich and the
Super Rich*, sort of laughed a little bit. He says, "These guys,
with their mimeograph machines," (that was the thing when *that*
book came out), "they are like throwing spitballs at the
Rockefeller battleship."
CONSPIRACY NATION:
On the other hand, I wouldn't -- if they're *truly* an
independent press -- I wouldn't totally denigrate 'em, because my
feeling is it's better to try and do *something*.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, it's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness.
But the point is, as I said earlier, the thing that is bothering
the Establishment, the ultra rich, the most is this monster that
they let out of the bottle: Internet. Their idea was to globalize
communications with Internet. But this genie, this monster, is
out of the bottle -- and *now* they don't know how to put it
back! [laughs]
Because there are some clever people out there says, "Hey! Forget
about the news fakers in New York. Notice what this one says, and
notice what that one says." I mean like, in my position: until
the last 5 years, when they saw me on television, people would
run into me downtown and says, "Skolnick, I thought you were
either dead or retired. I haven't seen you."
With many of those people downtown, you're in a 17th century
technology. If they don't see you once in a while, in the
evening, on the television, you're dead or retired or have fled
the country. And that's where cable access comes in; that's where
Internet comes in: they gotta see your name. And another thing:
they gotta see you on the computer screen. If they can't press up
nothin' on that machine and make *your* story come up on the
computer screen -- you're dead, you're retired, you left the
country. [laughs] They've gotta *see* you there! That's the
latest technology.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
One other thing: you mentioned... Okay, you live at 9800 S.
Oglesby. And from what you say, that's a black neighborhood now.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I'm not saying that from a negative standpoint. I'm here since
the neighborhood was here. The neighborhood got started in 1948
and '50, and my folks bought the house and here I am! I don't
wish to run to the lily-white suburbs: number one, I don't have
the money, and number two, it's too far from the center of
downtown and the cultural center. The cultural center in Chicago
is not in the northwest suburbs -- that's a desert. The cultural
center is the University of Chicago, which is only a few minutes
from me. And so, if there's something important at the U of C,
and I tell somebody that lives in Mount Prospect [i.e., a
northwest suburb] -- My God! I mean, they gotta travel
considerable time and distance to get to it. Whereas by me, it's
only a few minutes away!
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah. See, my mom grew up on the south side of Chicago, around
79th and Throop st., by St. Sabina's parish down there...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
...and I know, somewhat, of the way things usually go: is that,
there would be, the blacks would move into the neighborhood,
tensions would arise, and the whites would leave. And it's just
unusual for somebody to just stay in the neighborhood like that.
What's it like for you? You're probably -- what? -- the only
white guy livin' in the neighborhood?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Uh, no. There's about two or three others in there. I get along
with everybody! What difference would it make? I mean there's,
some of my own religion would like to take a rope and hang me.
It's...
You know, I point out things that are hard. We're working on a
story that, for 3 years now we can't quite get it together the
way we like it. And that is, that the federal judges, who are
supposed to promote human rights, generally do not allow black
and Hispanic lawyers to make a living in the federal courthouse
in Chicago. So it's the same as putting up a sign in Alabama 50
years ago, that blacks should drink from this other fountain. So
I finally got one black, prominent lawyer to talk to me off-the-
record. And so far, he's agreed to go on our show. And he says,
"Yeah, you're right, Skolnick! These judges over there
discriminate against black lawyers. They... It's as if they put
a sign up and says 'Black lawyers not wanted.'" And you know the
one they *really* don't want are blacks that are not Christians,
that are Muslims. It's like they got a sign up there, but it's an
invisible sign, that's saying "Blacks and Black Muslim lawyers:
Do *not* practice here, because you will not be allowed to make a
living. Go practice in the traffic court and the bus accident
claims in the state court. Don't come into the federal court."
And *I*, I've got at least one prominent, black lawyer who says
he *will* go on our show and *say* that, for all the world to
hear.
And that's, that runs contrary to the accepted wisdom that the
federal court is the great supporter of human rights. Not in
Chicago they're not.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah.
Did you succeed in getting Debra von Trapp to be on your show at
all?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
She's an interesting character. What has happened as a result of
your serializing the lengthy interview I did with her on tape, is
that all of those that were in with her circle are trying to
either threaten me, or sweet talk me [laughs]. I mean, I don't
know who all these people are that suddenly are calling me up and
they want to talk an hour or two and persuade me that *yes*, the
Clinton White House was spied on, but *no*, they didn't do it, it
was this *other* guy that did it! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I mean, I talked already with Robert Goetzman and some of the
others. *I* had to find him. But some of the others have found
me, and they call me, and they're tryin' to sweet talk me: "Oh
yes, there *was* spying in the District of Columbia. Oh yes. But
I only know about it; *I* didn't go along with it." That's what
they tell me! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I listen. I consider myself a fair-minded journalist.
But the one benefit the Debra von Trapp story has done is to draw
all these strange, "spooky" types out of the woodwork! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I think some of 'em are runnin' after you too, a little bit.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah! I... You know, like I say, I got that e-mail from uh, Wes
Thomas I think his name is. And, you know, I always have a
disclaimer that I put in front of my postings, that I neither
necessarily agree nor disagree. You know, I just...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He claims he's not with the CIA, as Debra says. But I tell ya
somethin': there's a *lot* to support the contrary. He's a *top*
*notcher*. He is far too clever. And, in fact, it'd probably be
an insult to say he's with the CIA. I mean, he probably
*supervises* the CIA!
Wes Thomas is awfully clever. But he's *very* personable. He
called me up the other night and spoke to me for an hour like it
was some uncle that I had forgotten about! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
[laughs]
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He was very friendly, this guy. I mean, where did I run into him?
At a luncheon or something? That he calls me up and he's so sweet
and nice and so on.
He says that Goetzman *did* solicit him to spy on all the foreign
embassies in Washington, but that he didn't go along with it. But
the plan was, according to Wes Thomas, the plan was that Goetzman
was gonna supply used computers, with transponders secretly built
into them, and that Wes Thomas was gonna give these away to all
the foreign embassies. And that way, the team (the secret team)
could then spy on 'em.
But Wes would have me believe that he didn't go along with it.
Well, I don't know. All I know is, your serializing the story on
Internet, the interview of Debra, has brought all of these -- I
don't know *what* to call 'em! -- secret team *disclaiming*
they're a secret team -- has brought 'em all out into the open,
to call and sweet talk me. And a few, of course, have also
*threatened* me! [laughs] I mean, you know...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
How did they threaten you?
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Well Goetzman says he's gonna get me by, by sending a subpoena
after me! [laughs] You know...
CONSPIRACY NATION:
So how could he send a subpoena after you? All you did was
interview somebody.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
He hung up before I could ask that! Subpoena me for *what*!? You
know what I mean? [laughs]
I asked him straight out: Do you know anything about the spying
in the White House?
And he kept asking me my phone number. And he went around and
around and around with that. And although I told him my name,
several times, he pretended (he's pretty clever) like he couldn't
get my name! [laughs] I mean, ya know what I mean? [laughs]
Then he says he really wants his lawyer. I says, "No, I just want
to know: What do you have to say in response to Debra von Trapp's
statement?"
And by the way, a 16-year-old computer hacker is the one that
fished out Goetzman's unlisted number for me! [laughs]
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Well this person, his name, it wouldn't have been "Xxxxxxx"? Naw,
I guess...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
Yeah, yeah! That's him!
He's called me about 10 times. He's a nice fellow.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
This stuff that you've been sayin' about Wes Thomas and
Goetzman...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
I've been talking to these people, and I -- despite *all* the
things that have happened -- I think that Debra von Trapp's story
is substantially correct.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, I think so too. I can't really prove it, but just my sense
is that it...
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
The *Chicago Tribune*, in a recent Sunday edition, printed a
denial of the Japanese bombing.
CONSPIRACY NATION:
Yeah, my dad cut that out. It was, like, on the front page.
SHERMAN SKOLNICK:
When the *Tribune* is forced, without investigating it, to make a
blanket denial on the front page, you know that there's somethin'
there.
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{1} Recorded commentaries from the Citizens Committee to Clean-up
the Courts, Sherman H. Skolnick, chairman, can be heard by
dialing (312) 731-1100 and (312) 731-1505.
{2} *The Prosperous Few and the Restless Many* by Noam Chomsky.
Berkeley: Odonian Press, 1993. ISBN 1-878825-03-8
{3} Ibid., page 7, my copy.
{4} *The Media Monopoly* by Ben Bagdikian. Boston: Beacon Press,
1990. ISBN 0-8070-6159-X
{5} "...hospitals that are bankrupt..." As noted, I don't
necessarily agree with everything Mr. Skolnick says. Nowadays,
many hospitals are for-profit entities, generating cash for
investors. Add to that the fact that hospitals and doctors
routinely pad their bills, pass these charges along to medicare,
and then medicare passes these charges along to the taxpayers.
So, my question would be (which I may remember to ask Mr.
Skolnick) -- if the money is getting stolen and wasted, what good
will increased taxes from *any* source be, whether "ultra rich"
or otherwise?
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