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Just to get the list going again, I found the below at a Christian site. As I recall there were some few asking why some of us are sometimes so rabidly anti-Chirstian I think this excerpt will answer that question quite nicely. Quoted material follows (but I bet somebody still blaims _me_) (be sure to check the URL at the end) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Excerpted from: > >*How Does A Nice Guy Like Me Keep Getting Thrown in Jail?* > >God's Law is Supreme > >By Randall Terry > >After nearly fifteen years in Christian ministry, I have been through >more battles (and certainly more jails!) than most Christians will go >through in a lifetime. As I have observed the Church throughout the >second half of the seventies, the eighties, and now the nineties, I >have been hopeful at her potential, yet troubled, dismayed, and even >brokenhearted at her inability - or unwillingness - to stand for God >and His Word in our nation and to impact the culture at large. > >Most Christians today pay lip service to the concept of "Higher >Law." They acknowledge that God's Law is higher than man's law. >Even those who are the most rabidly against Operation Rescue, even >those who say we should always obey the law of man, celebrate the >Fourth of July. So much for consistency. > >I'll bet that most Christians in America have never stopped to >seriously meditate on "The Fourth of July," its biblical and >philosophical underpinnings, and what the Declaration of >Independence meant for the signers. > >* It meant the signers were breaking the law. > >* It meant that they were guilty of treason. > >* It meant that they were prepared to go to war for the freedoms we >take for granted. > >* It meant that real men fired real bullets at other real men who shed >blood, died excruciating, real deaths, and left behind real grieving >widows and orphans on both sides of the war. > >The American Revolution was not a debate about Romans 13 nor a >civics lesson on freedom. It was a war for freedom dedicated to the >proposition that all men are created endowed by the Creator with >certain inalienable rights; it was a war founded on a belief in Higher >Law. > >Tragically, while most Christians pay lip service to "Higher Law," >they do not possess a concrete or even modest conviction or >understanding of Higher Law. > >Those Christians who argue against Operation Rescue or smuggling >Bibles into China or praying at high school graduations on the basis >of Romans 13 have foolishly turned the Bible on its head. They have >made God's Word subservient to man's evil law - in the name of >Romans 13. In the name of the Bible, they subjugate the Bible to >pagans. Unfortunately, those "law and order" Christians have not >looked at the whole Bible, nor rightly divided the Word of Truth. >Let's take a little closer look at Romans 13:1-5: > >Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For >there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are >established by God. Therefore he who resists authority has opposed >the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive >condemnation upon themselves. For rulers are not a cause for fear >for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of >authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; >for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is >evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a >minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who >practices evil. Wherefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only >because of wrath, but also for conscience' sake. > >Please note that God ordained government to punish wicked doers >and to praise the righteous. Question: What do we do when the >government rejects its God-ordained duty and does the exact >opposite - praising and protecting the wicked, while punishing and >persecuting the righteous? This passage does not deal with that >dilemma. > >I believe the apostle Peter answered the question most succinctly >when he said, "We must obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29). >Again and again we see in the Scriptures that when God's law and >man's law conflict, the saints of God must obey God.* > >The saints of God "broke the law" not only when they were >commanded to do evil, but when they were commanded not to do >good. "Don't pray!" Daniel was told. "Don't preach," the apostles >were told. Christians nowadays are told, "Don't rescue babies"; >"Don't smuggle Bibles"; "Don't preach about political matters in >your church"; "Don't pray at school commencements." > >We need to do some serious studying and thinking and do it fast. >The conflict between God's Law and man's law is not only in the >realms I've mentioned. The battle is intensifying in America on a >multitude of fronts. The pagans are using the law to slowly crush >biblical morality and justice on all fronts. The God-haters are using >the law to harass and intimidate families and churches who believe >and practice the teachings of the Bible. "Children's rights" lunatics >are using the law to persecute parents who spank their children. The >statists are slowly using man's law to obtain control over what >pastors preach and whom they hire. > >First Principle - God Rules > >We've got to accept this simple principle: God rules. His Law is >supreme. And he requires all men in all nations at all times to obey >his laws. And when His law and man's law conflict, His law is the >unquestionable authority. Man's law at that point is unrighteous >tyranny. > >For those who doubt this conclusion, please consider these >questions: > >* Whose law is eternal - God's or man's? > >* Can God's Law be rescinded, revised or improved? > >* Does God hold His Law or man's law to be higher when the two >are in conflict? > >* Does God want His people to obey His Law or man's when the >two are in conflict? > >* Does God hold all rulers in all nations - including non-Christians - >accountable to His Law, or are the lost free to do what they want? > >If the lost are free to do as they please, to what standard will God >hold them accountable? By what standard will He judge them? How >can the Holy Spirit convict them of sin if the measure of sin (the >Law) has been removed? We need to forever settle in our minds and >hearts the supremacy of God's Law. While we quibble over what >place we think the Bible should have in culture and law, our enemies >know exactly where they want the Bible. > >Our Enemies' Vision for the Bible > >Our enemies want the complete eradication of Christianity and >biblical principles from our public schools, our city, county, state, >and federal governments. > >The secular Humanist elite preach "tolerance," but they are absolutely >intolerant of a God-centered, Bible-based view of law and culture. >They want the influence of the Law of God eradicated from this >nation (except, of course, that part in Romans 13 that the pietists >wrongly believe calls them to submit to the pagan government's >every demand - rebels in power love to wave Romans 13 in front of >Christians). > >The pagan elite and Bible-phobes boldly march forward, trying to >stamp out biblical Christianity, while we timidly speak of a >"Judeo-Christian ethic," "pluralism," and "tolerance." I believe that >those Christian leaders, teachers, and pastors who side with man's >law above God's Law are unwitting collaborators with the enemy for >America's demise. They might mean well - they might be sincere - >but they are sincerely deceived and sincerely deceiving. > >Our Vision of the Bible > >Let us be just as bold - no, more bold - than God's enemies. Not >only is God's Law above man's law, but it must undergird man's >law. For man's law to be legitimate, it must be founded on biblical >law. > >We want our nation and all its institutions to be self-consciously built >on the laws and principles of God's Word. Any other foundation >will crumble. God's Law is over all human authority. And God's >Law is the only unchanging, transcendent law from heaven, the only >set of moral absolutes upon which human authority can rest. > >Those Christian leaders who insist that we not enter the cultural fray >with the Ten Commandments as our spoken foundation are >misguided, and they are leading the church astray. Not only are >many Christian leaders unsure of the supremacy of God's Law over >man's law, but they question whether or not we should even discuss >human law in connection with biblical law. They feel it's out of >bounds for us. > >The antichrists in power like nothing better than when pastors >proclaim hell's party lines: "Religion and politics don't mix, "and >"Don't bring politics in the church," and "We live in a pluralistic >society, so we can't bring our Christian convictions into politics." >This is foolishness, a deception from hell. The rebels in power >pronounce their rebellion against God, and we so much as tell them >this is their right, that God accepts their "pluralistic" rebellion. > >But God warns them: "Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with >trembling, Kiss he Son, lest He be angry, and ye perish from the >way" (Psalm 2:11,12). > >Equal Time With Hell > >Yet another attempt at compromise that many Christian leaders have >come up with at first seems reasonable, but it is rotten to the core. It >goes like this: "We just want equal time." > >Wrong! We don't want "equal time" with baby-killers, condom >pushers, New Agers, and sodomite recruiters. We do not want them >to have any access to public schools. We won't tolerate their having >a single minute to expose our children or anyone else's children to >their godless agenda. Planned Parenthood, Queer nation and their >cohorts form hell have no right to give the time of day to children in >school and fill their unsuspecting minds with filth. We don't want >equal time, because we want them to have no time. > >We will not put the flawless, eternal Word of God on the same par >with godless laws, or the ungodly lies of men and demons. God's >Law is supreme and will abide forever. man's rebellious thoughts are >as chaff for the fire. > >Intolerance Is a Beautiful Thing > >In the light of God's holy, flawless, unchanging eternal Word, we >have a duty to be intolerant of the pagan world agenda. They often >accuse uss of being intolerant. We should wear this intended insult >as a badge of honor. > >In the book of Revelations, Jesus rebuked the church of Thyatira >because "You tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a >prophetess, and she teaches and leads my bondservants astray, so >that they commit acts of immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols" >(Rev. 2:20). > >So please, don't waver. Your love for God and His Word should >make you intolerant of abominations and perversions. We must reach >out in mercy to those who are trapped in sin; we must offer the grace >of God to His enemies, but we are not called to shower "mush love" >on those who are knowingly, deliberately leading people astray. We >must warn the enemies' leaders of the coming judgment of God and >encourage them to repent and turn to Christ. > >But we must also denounce their agenda and fearlessly rebuke their >paganism, especially in public settings. Your allegiance to the King >of the Universe should make you intolerant of the prophets of Baal - >the leaders and the agenda of the rebels of our day. In fact, you may >want to read 1 Kings 18 to see the contempt God's prophets have for >Baal's prophets. The false prophets were proclaiming lies. Elijah >was prophesying God's Word. Elijah mocked them. > >Why? Because Elijah knew the only true God and had received His >Word. The prophets of Baal were following deceptive demons, >prophesying lies, and leading the people astray. Elijah did not >dignify their pagan deity, pagan ideas, and pagan immorality by >showing pluralistic respect for what he knew was a hellish lie. > >God's Law is supreme. Heaven and earth will pass away, but God's >Word will not. And if the culture is going to survive, every power >base must be rebuilt on the bedrock of God's Law. We cannot >compromise with the prophets of Baal. We cannot appease those >who are dedicated to our demise. > >* See Ex. 1:15-2:5; Heb. 11:23; Josh. 2; Dan. 3; Dan. 6; Matt. >2:1-12; Acts 9:23-25; Acts 12:5-10; 2 Cor. 11:32-33. > >Reprinted by permission of the author: How Does a Nice Guy Like >Me Keep Getting Thrown in Jail? chapter three: "God's Law Is >Supreme." > > > >Christian Worldview http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1492/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` Have a happy solstice! Michael Fisher, ET1/SS USN ret., lawstudent http://www.sonoma.edu/cthink/Library/intraits.html * * * He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. Thomas Paine

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