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From: Wesley R. Elsberry Posted: 18 Sep 94 12:24 To : Arthur Biele Subj: SciCre [Quote] The scientific creationists themselves are men and women who have acquired all the standard credentials of the scientist, but who maintain that creation explains the facts of science better than evolution does. To them it is not primarily a question of religion (after all, people can be religious and moral while stili believing in evolution), but of science. They are convinced that the creation model correlates the scientific data more effectively. Although creationism is still a minority viewpoint among scientists, all scientists owe it to themselves and to society in general to keep an open mind. The majority belief is not always the correct belief, and what one believes about origins determines to a large degree what he believes about most other major issues in life. [End quote - Henry M. Morris, 1977, 'The scientific case for creation', p. 2] [Quote] One theory involves the assumption of an initial special creation of all things out of nothing. It also involves catastrophic intervention in the normal processes of nature on at least one occasion in history subsequent to the primeval creation. Assumed within the second theory, currently the more popular of the two, is the uniform operation of all natural laws and processes from past eternity. It is also assumed that these uniform processes accomplished the evolution of all things from primeval simplicity and randomness in eternity past (and thus that matter or energy in some form has always existed) to their present status of intricate com- plexity and high organization. Thus the one theory, which in this book is called scientific creationism and catastrophism, represents the belief in an eternal Creator who created all things ex nihilo. The other called evolutionary uniformi- mrianism, postulates the natural development of all things by innate processes of eternal matter. [End quote - Boardman, Koontz, & Morris, 1973, 'Science and creation', pp. 13-14.] [Quote] There is one theory, of course, that does fit all the known facts of physics, chemistry, and astronomy without excep- tion. Furthermore it is the simplest and most direct system of cosmogony that could be devised. For this reason alone it should be considered the most probably correct theory. In addition, it is the theory which follows most naturally from the implications of the two universal laws of thermo- dynamics. This is the theory of special creation. By this theory. the universe in all its amazing size, variety and complexity came into existence at some time in the past (possibly quite recently) completely and perfectly functioning throughout, during a period of direct creation by its omnipotent and eternal Creator. This Creator has in His works of creation manifested His power and deity so that all men who refuse to ac- knowledge the Creator and worship Him are, in the words of Romans 1:20, "without excuse." Especially are men inexcusable because they have rebelled against the God of Creation. made their own false gods, and corrupted themselves by sin. and thus brought themseives under the just wrath and condemnation of God. But the God manifested in creation has also revealed Himself through His Word in the Scriptures of the Bible. Moreover he has revealed Himself personally in His Son Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ, we are told in the open- ing verses of John's gospel and of the Epistle to the Hebrews, is the Creator by whom and for whom the Father made all things, Lord and heir to all crea- tion. But He is especially the Saviour and Lord of the Church for which He died. The ultimate putpose of this book is not merely to per- suade the reader that evolutionary theory is false science and that the biblical record of creation is true. Rather the purpose is above all to exalt the Son of God and direct to Him the faith. devotion and adoration of all who turn the pages of this volume in search of the Way, the Truth and the Life. [End quote - Boardman, Koontz, & Morris, 1973, 'Science and creation', p. 197] Could you be more specific in how I have misrepresented the definition of 'scientific creationism'? Actual references would be helpful. --- msgedsq 2.0.5 * Origin: Central Neural System 409-737-5222 (1:386/385) Message #254 [Evolutionary Theory Discussion] From: Wesley R. Elsberry Posted: 18 Sep 94 12:34 To : All Subj: ICR statement of faith Date: Wed Jun 23 1993 23:43:00 From: Scott Faust To: All Subj: Icr Oath 1/2 Attr: evolution ------------------------------- The Institute for Creation Research began in 1970 as a division of Christian Heritage College, the later established by Henry Morris, Tim LaHaye and Scott Memorial Baptist Church (of San Diego, CA) as "the first college in modern times formed in order to provide a liberal arts education based specifically on strict Biblical creationism and full Biblical controls in all courses." (Henry M. Morris. _History of Modern Creationism_. Master Books Publishers, 1984; p.222.) Below is the ICR's statement of faith, written in 1981 when the ICR became formally independent of Christian Heritage College and was no longer governed by its statement of faith. This must be signed annually by all ICR staff and by its trustees. According to the ICR's by-laws, it cannot be changed. The statement of faith has two parts -- the "tenets of scientific creationism" and the "tenets of Biblical creationism." Also reproduced is a portion of the "ICR educational philosophy" which appears in the Institute's Graduate School catalog. My source is appendix G of the book cited in the preceding paragraph: ICR EDUCATIONAL PHILOSOPHY The programs and curricula of the Graduate School, as well as the activities of other ICR divisions, while similar in factual content to those of other graduate colleges, are distinctive in one major respect. The Institute for Creation Research bases its educational philosophy on the foundational truth of a personal Creator-God and His authoritative and unique revelation of truth in the Bible, both Old and New Testaments. This perspective differs from the evolutionary humanistic philosophy which has dominated most educational institutions for the past century, providing the most satisfying and meaningful structure of a consistently creationist and Biblical framework, and placing the real facts of science and history in the best context for effective future research and application. More explicitly, the administration and faculty of ICR are committed to the tenets of both scientific creationism and Biblical creationism as formulated below. A clear distinction is drawn between _scientific creationism_ and _Biblical creationism_ but it is the position of the Institute that the two are compatible and that all genuine facts of science support the Bible. ICR maintains that scientific creationism should be taught along with the scientific aspect of evolutionism in tax-supported institutions, and that both scientific and Biblical creationism should be taught in Christian schools. TENETS OF SCIENTIFIC CREATIONISM 1) The physical universe of space, time, matter and energy has not always existed, but was supernaturally created by a transcendent personal Creator who alone existed from eternity. 2) The phenomenon of biological life did not develop by natural processes from inanimate systems but was specially and supernaturally created by the Creator. 3) Each of the major kinds of plants and animals was created functionally complete for the beginning and did not evolve from some other kind of organism. Changes in basic kinds since their first creation are limited to "horizontal" changes (variation) within kinds, or "downward" changes (e.g., harmful mutations, extinctions). 4) The first human beings did not evolve from an animal ancestry, but were specially created in fully human form from the start. Furthermore, the "spiritual" nature of man (self-image, moral consciousness, abstract reasoning, language, will, religious nature, etc.) is itself a supernaturally created entity distinct from mere biological life. 5) The record of earth history, as preserved in the earth's crust, especially in the rocks and fossil deposits, is primarily a record of catastrophic intensities of natural processes, operating largely within uniform laws, rather than one of gradualism and relatively uniform process rates. There are many scientific evidences for a relatively recent creation of the earth and the universe, in addition to strong scientific evidence that most of the earth's fossiliferous sedimentary rocks were formed in an even more recent global hydraulic cataclysm. 6) Processes today operate primarily within fixed natural laws and relatively uniform process rates but, since these were themselves originally created and are daily maintained by their Creator, there is always the possibility of miraculous intervention in these laws or processes by their Creator. Evidences for such intervention should be scrutinized critically, however, because there must be clear and adequate reason for any such action on the part of the Creator. >>> Continued to next message -!- FMail 0.92 ! Origin: The OPEN FORUM S.D. CA (619)284-2924 v32bis (1:202/212) --- msgedsq 2.0.5 * Origin: Central Neural System 409-737-5222 (1:386/385) Message #255 [Evolutionary Theory Discussion] From: Wesley R. Elsberry Posted: 18 Sep 94 12:35 To : All Subj: ICR Statement of Faith Date: Wed Jun 23 1993 23:43:00 From: Scott Faust To: All Subj: Icr Oath 2/2 Attr: evolution ------------------------------- >>> Continued from previous message 7) The universe and life have somehow been impaired since the completion of creation, so that imperfections in structure, disease, aging, extinctions, and other such phenomena are the result of "negative" changes in properties and processes occurring in an originally-perfect created order. 8) Since the universe and its primary components were created perfect for their purpose in the beginning by a competent and volitional Creator, and since the Creator does remain active in this now-decaying creation, there do exist ultimate purposes and meanings in the universe. Teleological considerations, therefore, are appropriate in scientific studies whenever they are consistent with the actual data of observation, and it is reasonable to assume that the creation presently awaits the consummation of the Creator's purpose. 9) Although people are finite and scientific data concerning origins are always circumstantial and incomplete, the human mind (if open to the possibility of creation) is able to explore the manifestations of that Creator rationally and scientifically, and to reach an intelligent decision regarding one's place in the Creator's plan. TENETS OF BIBLICAL CREATIONISM 1) The Creator of the universe is a triune God -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. There is only one eternal and transcendent God, the source of all being and meaning, and He exists in three Persons, each of whom participated in the work of creation. 2) The Bible, consisting of the thirty-nine canonical books of the Old Testament and the twenty-seven canonical books of the New Testament, is the divinely-inspired revelation of the Creator to man. Its unique, plenary, verbal inspiration guarantees that these writings, as originally and miraculously given, are infallible and completely authoritative on all matters with which they deal, free from error of any sort, scientific and historical as well as moral and theological. 3) All things in the universe were created and made by God in the six literal days of creation week described in Genesis 1:1-2:3, and confirmed in Exodus 20:8-11. The creation record is factual, historical, and perspicuous; thus all theories of origins or development which involve evolution in any form are false. All things which now exist are sustained and ordered by God's providential care. However, a part of the spiritual creation, Satan and his angels, rebelled against God after the creation and are attempting to thwart His divine purposes in creation. 4) The first human beings, Adam and Eve, were specially created by God, and all other men and women are their descendants. In Adam, mankind was instructed to exercise "dominion" over all other created organisms, and over the earth itself (an implicit commission for true science, technology, commerce, fine art, and education) but the temptation by Satan and the entrance of sin brought God's curse on that dominion and on mankind, culminating in death and separation from God as the natural and proper consequence. 5) The Biblical record of primeval earth history in Genesis 1-11 is fully historical and perspicuous, including the creation and fall of man, the curse on the creation and its subjection to the bondage of decay, the promised Redeemer, the worldwide cataclysmic deluge in the days of Noah, the post-diluvian renewal of man's commission to subdue the earth (now augmented by the institution of human government) and the origin of nations and languages at the tower of Babel. 6) The alienation of man from his Creator because of sin can only be remedied by the Creator Himself, who became man in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ, through miraculous conception and virgin birth. In Christ were indissolubly united perfect sinless humanity and full deity, so that His substitutionary death is the only necessary and sufficient price of man's redemption. That the redemption was completely efficacious is assured by His bodily resurrection from the dead and ascension into heaven; the resurrection of Christ is thus the focal point of history, assuring the consummation of God's purpose in creation. 7) The final restoration of creation's perfection is yet future, but individuals can immediately be restored to fellowship with their Creator, on the basis of His redemptive work on their behalf, receiving forgiveness and eternal life solely through personal trust in the Lord Jesus Christ, accepting Him not only as estranged Creator but also as reconciling Redeemer and coming King. Those who reject Him, however, or who neglect to believe on Him, thereby continue in their state of rebellion and must ultimately be consigned to the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels. -!- FMail 0.92 ! Origin: The OPEN FORUM S.D. CA (619)284-2924 v32bis (1:202/212) --- msgedsq 2.0.5 * Origin: Central Neural System 409-737-5222 (1:386/385) Message #256 [Evolutionary Theory Discussion] From: Wesley R. Elsberry Posted: 18 Sep 94 12:36 To : Arthur Biele Subj: ICR statements Perhaps you thought that I confused 'biblical creationism' with 'scientific creationism'. Examine the ICR Statement of Faith. Examine the quoted text from Boardman, Koontz, and Morris. It becomes obvious that SciCre and BibCre are merely two faces of the same concept, and further that the SciCre/BibCre distinction is made as a deceptive legal ploy to try to foist off pseudo- science on secondary school science teachers. There is a definite paper trail, though, from such books as 'Science And Creation' which shows that the concepts were considered equivalent, and diverged only after SciCre flunked the Lemon Test. --- msgedsq 2.0.5 * Origin: Central Neural System 409-737-5222 (1:386/385)

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