Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: deej@cds8613.Cadence.COM (Jim Howard)
Subject: Re: Scientology information
Message-ID: <1991Jul24.170241.22922@cadence.com>
Sender: usenet@cadence.com (USENET News)
Reply-To: deej@cds8613.Cadence.COM (Jim Howard)
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, San Jose
References: <1991Jul23.165100.32236@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> <tiff.679946085@oahu> <1991Jul19.170332.6608@cadence.com> <1991Jul22.175707.17047@cadence.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 91 17:02:41 GMT

In article <1991Jul23.165100.32236@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, mauler@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: > In article <1991Jul22.175707.17047@cadence.com>, deej@cds8613.Cadence.COM (Jim Howard) writes: > > In article=20<tiff.679946085@oahu>, tiff@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Tiffany > > Frazier) writes: > > > > [Scientology creed posted by myself deleted...] > > > >> I know *nothing* about Scientology, but I carefully read each of these > >> "tenets" (if that is the appropriate word?)... and noted a curious lack > >> of mention of the female half of the population? Why is "sex" not included > >> in the first tenet? It seems to me that these tenets, as written, pointedly > >> exclude women. > >> -- > >> tiff@cs.ucla.edu > >> !{rutgers, ucbvax}!ucla-cs!tiff > > > > In much the same way that historic American documents say "man", > > this similarly REALLY means "mankind". Women have the same > > rights as men within Scientology. > > But the fact is that the Constitution DOES HAVE Amendments stating that women > have equality in society, whilst Scientology does not specifically state this. > L. Ron Hubbard was a "great man" to Scientologists; since many other "great > man" religions are also suppressive to women (see Islam, Christianity, Judaism, > for a few examples), and since the basic creed does not specifically mention > women, how can we assume that women are treated equally?

You can make no such assumption. Actions speak louder than words, obviously. The actions I have observed back up my claims that women have the same rights within Scientology. There do not need to be any Amendments to state this, as it has always been this way. As you undoubtedly know, an "amendment" is something added to alter or clarify an existing document. From Websters: man: a human being; an adult male; a manly person; a male servant; a husband; the human race; ... It is my understanding and observation that the definition intended in the Creed was the last one - "the human race".

> > Sex IS mentioned ( "...inalienable rights to the creation of their own > > kind"), and I don't believe this was intended to be a prioritized list of > > any kind (it would probably be numbered if that were the case). > > > > Sex is mentioned in the tenets, but under the same wording as many other > religions which frown on pre-marriage sex, adulterous sex, free love, etc. > Is sex good only for reproduction, or are the partners permitted to enjoy > themselves too?

I have encountered no Scientology data that prohibits sex for pleasure.

~ deej ~ | (If I were expressing Cadence's opinions, ) Jim Howard -- deej@cadence.com | (they'd probably make me wear a tie... )

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