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From: mauler@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: cult
Message-ID: <1991Aug8.124425.32602@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
Date: 8 Aug 91 12:44:25 CDT
References: <86530@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> <4994@beguine.UUCP>
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services
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In article <4994@beguine.UUCP>, Elizabeth.Mccoy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Elizabeth Mccoy) writes: > In article <86530@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> noah@acsu.buffalo.edu (philip d noah) writes: >>scientology isn't a religion it is a CULT damn it ! > > _The Americal Heritage Dictionary of the English Language_, William > Morris, Ed. Published by American Heritage Publishing Co., Inc. & > Houghton Mifflin Company. Boston/New York/Atlanta/Geneva, > Illinois/Dallas/Palo Alto. (c) 1969, 1970 by American Heritage etc... > 5th printing. > > Page 321, Cult. > > "cult:*n.* 1. A system or community of religious worship and ritual, > especially one focusing on a single diety or spirit. [Nope, not us. We > don't worship any spirit <though some might, it's not the religion that > does>.] 2. a. Obsessive devotion or veneration for a person, principle, > or ideal. [Obsessive? Maybe; again it depends on the person.] 2.b. The > object of such devotion. 3. An exclusive group of persons sharing an > esoteric interest. [Maybe. Dunno how "exclusive" we are.] (French > *culte*, from Latin *cultus*, cultivation, a laboring, worship, from the > past participle of *colere*, TO CULTIVATE." >

Damn right you fit that definition. Scientologists may not fit [1], but you venerate LRH, and a religion for the rich is pretty darn exclusive!

> On page 1099, religion. > "religion: *n.* ... 1. The expression of man's belief in and reverance > for a superhuman power recognized as the creator and governor of the > universe. [Sounds like 1 for cult, eh?] 2. Any particular integrated > system of this expression. ... 3. The spiritual or emotional attitude > of one who recognizes the existance of a superhuman power or powers. > [I'd say that is applicable.] 4. Any objective attended to or pursued > with zeal or conscientious devotion. ... [the rest ommitted because my > fingers hurt.]" > > Now, does this handle all the silly stuff about what is a cult and what > is a religion? Xianity is a cult/religion. Wicca is a cult/religion. > Scientology is a cult/religion. Stamp collecting is a cult > (esoteric)/religion (pursued with zeal). Cats are a religion. :-) If we > want to call ourselves a religion, isn't it polite to abide by that? I > mean, if you wanted to be called Fred, and asked politely, or introduced > yourself as Fred, I'd call you Fred. Whuzza big deal? >

I think the point is that religions are mainstream, cults are not (using the common definition; an unabridged dictionary might have it). Scientology is not a mainstream organization; therefore, if it claims to fit either definition, it still gets called a cult. Even if you call Scientology a religion, most people are still going to think of it as a cult.

Sorta like Reverend Moon come back from obscurity: brainwashed followers contributing to his own personal bank accounts, his religion, and his sex life.

Anybody ever wonder if Rev. Moon went into Scientology? Or if he happened to know LRH? Makes you wonder...hmmmmm...conspirators? Naaahhh...

> --Elizabeth > Disclaimer: I am but human, not even Clear, my Word is not All, and my > fingers hurt. :-( > -- > The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of > North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information > Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. > internet: bbs.oit.unc.edu or 128.109.157.30

Leo

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