Archive Message - 1995
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Since some of the materials which describe the $cientology cult could be considered to be copywritten materials, I have censored myself and The Skeptic Tank by deleting any and all possible text files which describes the cult's hidden mythologies. I have elected to quote just a bit of the questionable text according to the "Fair Use" legal findings afforded to those who report. - Fredric L. Rice, The Skeptic Tank, 09/Sep/95 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From news.interserv.net!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!svc.portal.com!shell.portal.com!jobe.shell.portal.com!hkhenson Mon Jul 10 17:02:59 1995 Path: news.interserv.net!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!svc.portal.com!shell.portal.com!jobe.shell.portal.com!hkhenson From: hkhenson@shell.portal.com (H Keith Henson) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Re: Helsinki police contact info Date: 10 Jul 1995 00:08:58 GMT Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data) Lines: 177 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3tpr2q$j9a@news1.shell> References: <3tmle2$14h@idefix.eunet.fi> <3tmpr7$otu@dump.primenet.com> <3tms31$o9q@news1.shell> <3tn2dl$l8f@news.dgsys.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] alerma (alerma@dgsys.com) wrote: : I asked him who I might call at the Finnish Consulate : here in Wash DC to authenticate his ID... : Arnie i [much clippped--me] : : little effort.) I am going to forward a copy of this to Julf and see : : if he recognizes the name. Keith Henson I folded the mail headers, but otherwise, these two are as I got them from my mailbox today. Keith Henson [appology to Julf if he did not intend this to be posted--I think the intent to post was clear.] From julf@penet.fi Sun Jul 9 06:48:17 1995 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by jobe.shell.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA18604 for <hkhenson@shell.portal.com>; Sun, 9 Jul 1995 06:48:16 -0700 Received: from eunet.fi (pim.eunet.fi [193.66.4.30]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA19747 for <hkhenson@shell.portal.com>; Sun, 9 Jul 1995 06:48:14 -0700 Received: by eunet.fi id AA24501 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for <hkhenson@shell.portal.com>); Sun, 9 Jul 1995 16:49:02 +0300 Received: by pim.eunet.fi id AA024499 from pentu.penet.fi(193.66.4.22); Sun Jul 9 16:48:53 1995 Received: by penet.fi (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14723; Sun, 9 Jul 95 16:59:09 +0300 Message-Id: <9507091359.AA14723@penet.fi> Received: from backpack.penet.fi(193.64.202.4) by pentu via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma014720; Sun Jul 9 16:58:35 1995 X-Sender: jpop@pentu.penet.fi X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 09 Jul 1995 16:48:07 +0300 To: H Keith Henson <hkhenson@shell.portal.com> From: julf@penet.fi (Johan Helsingius) Subject: Re: (fwd) Re: Helsinki police contact info >: Kaj Malmberg (kaj.malmberg@mallu.pp.fi) wrote: > >: : I am the police officer in Finland who conducted the raid on the Anon >: : Server in Helsinki. > I am going to forward a copy of this to Julf and see >if he recognizes the name. Keith Henson Yes, and not only the name, but the account as well. Kaj is who he claims to be - the e-mail adresses are valid. Julf From kaj.malmberg@mallu.pp.fi Sun Jul 9 03:00:32 1995 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by jobe.shell.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA22190 for <hkhenson@shell.portal.com>; Sun, 9 Jul 1995 03:00:31 -0700 Received: from personal.eunet.fi (personal.eunet.fi [192.26.119.4]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id DAA15381 for <hkhenson@shell.portal.com>; Sun, 9 Jul 1995 03:00:30 -0700 Received: from mallu.pp.fi by personal.eunet.fi with SMTP id AA01958 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for <hkhenson@shell.portal.com>); Sun, 9 Jul 1995 13:01:15 +0300 Message-Id: <199507091001.AA01958@personal.eunet.fi> X-Sender: mallu@personal.eunet.fi (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 09 Jul 1995 12:34:24 +0300 To: H Keith Henson <hkhenson@shell.portal.com> From: kaj.malmberg@mallu.pp.fi (Kaj Malmberg) Subject: Re: Helsinki police contact info X-Mailer: <PC Eudora Version 1.4> >Dear Detective Malmberg: >X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] > >Thank you very much for posting your email address to alt.religion. >scientology. As you likely already know, there are many questions >the people there have about the raid. > >I guess the most important question we have is about the origin of >the orders for the raid. No police organization has been found in >the United States which made the original request to Interpol. It >seems likely at this point that the Scientologist organization made >a private request to Interpol. Can you tell us if the raid was the >result such a request? > This Scientology case started on day when a lawyer from a very respected law office contacted us and said he was representing the Church of Scientology and that he had in his office a privat investigator from the United States that had come here to investigate on behalf of the church. They came to my office in Helsinki and told me that someone had penetrated in to a computer in Los Angeles and taken secret information form it. The computer was the property of the Church of Scientology. >I don't know much about Interpol. Do they normally respond to non >law enforcement requests? Do you have any way of determining who >the raid request came from? > Interpol is not a policeorganization. Most of the countries in the world have joined Interpol and therefore assign a part of its organization to be called Interpol. Interpol does not investigate crimes nore excecute any police duties. It only sends mail from one country to another and keep registers. If I want to send a letter to a law enforcement agency in another country, I send it to our local Interpol, that sends it to the other country and to its Interpol agency, that in turn sends it ot the local police. Interpol never has an active part in investigating crimes. >Did you turn the name you aquired from Penet over to the Scientologists >directly? > When I got the information from Helsingius, I could see that the crime had been committed from the United States. I had seen a document that showed me that there was an investigation about the same case in Los Angeles. As there was an investigation going on in the United States and it the crime had been commited from there we decided to end our investigation. I wrote a letter ot our Interpol and asked them to forward our findings to the police in Los Angeles. I gave the results of our investigation to the person who had reported the crime, the finnish lawyer. >If you have been following this story, you may know that the person >known as -AB- was located by the Church of Scientology. This person >can no longer be located, and there is wide speculation that he was >killed. > I really have not heard anything about what has happened after I left tha case. That was it. I do not know what has happened after that in Los Angeles to the investigation there. Police organizations do not report to other countries their results. >As far as I know, noone blames the Finland Police or yourself for >what happened. But we are very concerned for the level of influence >which the CoS seems to have over Interpol. > >Thanks for any answers you may be able to provide. You may post >this letter as part of your response if you wish. Unless you ask >me not to, I will post your reply to a.r.s, because there is wide >interest in this topic. > >Sincerely, > >Keith Henson >San Jose, CA, USA > > Tahnk your for your letter. I hope you have som use of my answer. Kaj Malmberg Helsinki Police -------------------- I certainly appreciate Detective Malmberg coming forward with this information. It seems from these reports that Interpol was involved only after the fact. Since Julf is there, and rather interested in the case, perhaps he could pick up the report? I would be happy to forward the cost to Julf, plus something for his time translating and posting to this group. It would also be of great interest to know the name of the investigator CoS sent to Finland, and just exactly who got the report routed through Interpol after the name was obtained. Keith Henson

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