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After you review the text which seeks to defend cult leader Jimmy Swaggart, take a look at http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/ for an interesting detailed discussion about the dynamics of cults.

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From: jors@webtv.net
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 02:15:31 -0600
To: frice@skptictank.org
Subject: Jimmy Swaggart

Okay here it goes even though I know you only allow Christians to comment so that you could bash them. But that doesn't matter. I feel that you really must be searching for something to believe in. I don't think anybody would waste their time to try to dig up so much dirt on someone that they only know through the Tabloids, cut, pasted, and edited news clips and heresay. Yet all of the so called "proof" you use to back your beliefs in your whole web page are powered by heresay. For someone to go through that much trouble, you must be searching! One true fact though is that all of the so called "knowleged ones" like yourself never get the COURAGE or the GUTS to go down south and talk with the man yourself.

Well I'm going to leave now and I'm sure your going to talk about me or who knows maybe even edit this letter to suit your web.



From: "Fredric L. Rice" <frice@skeptictank.org>
Date: Sun Mar 15 10:03:25 1998
To: jors@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Jimmy Swaggart

j> Okay here it goes even though I know you only allow Christians
j> to comment so that you could bash them.

How could I allow or disallow anyone to say anything? Isn't censorship something that the religious cults among us do? And isn't freedom of speech and expression something that historically atheists have always advocated?

If you can come up with some explanation for how I or anyone else can keep you or any other cultist from commenting upon anything, do please get back to me as I'm greatly curious.

j> But that doesn't matter.

More so since it's a straw man creation of your own doing.



From: "Fredric L. Rice" <frice@skeptictank.org>
Date: Sun Mar 15 10:09:17 1998
To: jors@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Jimmy Swaggart

j> I feel that you really must be searching for something to believe in.

That's not surprising. Cultists who are faced with the embarrassing weakness which drove them to contrive deity constructs find it ever so much more embarrassing when faced with the fact that there are others which are strong enough to live without contriving fictional delusions.

The anger and resentment that you feel when confronted with others who aren't as weak, ignorant, and gullible as you would naturally prompt you to try to pretend that everyone else is really -- deep down -- just as weak, ignorant, and gullible as you.

To accept the truth means that there's something wrong with you.

j> I don't think anybody would waste their time to try to dig up
j> so much dirt on someone that they only know through the Tabloids,

<laughing!> Your master was photographed "meeting" prostitutes inside the many rooms of the "No-Tell Motel." Yes, that's a "digging up the dirt" investigation worthy of Scotland Yard, huh? <smile>

j> cut, pasted, and edited news clips and heresay.

Oh yes, photographs of your master screwing prostitutes is "heresay." <smile> Loving it.

j> Yet all of the so called "proof"

Why is is that cultists can never seem to learn what constitutes evidence and that proof is for mathematics and alcohol?

j> you use to back your beliefs in your whole web page are powered by heresay.

Except that belief doesn't factor into the embarrassing truth. What we find is that cult followers will cling to any lie in order to salvage what they know are lies.



From: "Fredric L. Rice" <frice@skeptictank.org>
Date: Sun Mar 15 10:15:36 1998
To: jors@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Jimmy Swaggart

j> For someone to go through that much trouble, you must be searching!

<smile> Oh yes, it took years of constant effort to put together the newspaper accounts and public confessions of your master into a web page. You wouldn't believe how many people it took to cut-and-paste the ASCII text detailing the embarrassing truths about your master.

j> One true fact though is that all of the so called "knowleged ones"
j> like yourself never get the COURAGE or the GUTS to go down south and
j> talk with the man yourself.

Ah, yes. Ignore all of the facts about the cult leader and go down and listen to the cult leader himself. You'll see. The public exposures are all no doubt part of the conspiracy and should just be dismissed. All of the photographs were manufactured at the CIA in Virginia, huh?

j> Well I'm going to leave now and I'm sure your going to talk about
j> me or who knows maybe even edit this letter to suit your web.

One thing we love to do here at The Skeptic Tank is expose the irrationality, illiteracy, and gullibility of cult followers, yes.

But you'll be happy to know that I've updated my Jimmy Swaggart web page and will be asking around to see if I can get some scanned-in photographs of your master and several of his hookers. I'll also see if I can get a photograph of the 7-year-old girl he wanted to screw so that we can get all of the evil of the cult leader exposed.

Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Jones, David Duke, and Vernon "David Koresh" Howel will also eventually get fully covered right along-side of your master, I might add.



From: "Fredric L. Rice" <frice@skeptictank.org>
Date: Thu Mar 19 16:03:16 1998
To: JOHNGEORGINA@webtv.net (JOHN SANTIAGO)
Subject: Re: web site

j> Your "theories" only confirm that your web page needs a name
j> change from the "Skeptic tank" to the "SEPTIC TANK"
j> or did you just mispell the original title?

That's strange. While some of your message made it to this system, the specific areas of concern about which you are complaining must have gotten `lost' somewhere in the network.

That seems to happen a lot to people who get resentful at accidentally looking at unauthorized facts. Somewhere sitting on some huge server with unimaginable amounts of disk storage space there are countless millions of messages written by fundies which contain all the reasoned, intelligent, educated text. Only the idiotic, illiterate, disjointed, ignorant rants and hate spew manage to escape this hypothetical, unstoppable server.



From: "Fredric L. Rice" <frice@skeptictank.org>
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:49:26 -0800
To: JOHNGEORGINA@webtv.net (JOHN SANTIAGO)
Subject: Re: web site

js> You play with your verbage and use very BIIIIIIIIIGGGG WOOORRRDDSSS!

It's more commonly known as "having an education," John. There are a great many benefits of having one. Observe how easily one is able to debunk the willfully ignorant and the superstitious when one has an education.

js> but when it comes right down to the "nitty gritty",
js> you end up saying what I thought you said all along.

That is to say, what your _masters_ programmed into you to say and to believe. You, unfortunately, had no occasion to make any determination about your unfortunate occultism since, I'm quite certain, you were indoctrinated into the occult from a very young age.

One is, sadly, indoctrinated into the cult of one's parents. Had you been born in Iran, you would be ranting about some other gods, you know, and be just as pathetically ignorant and uneducated.

How unfortunate.

js> A bunch of NOISE fueled by ALOT of HOT AIR!

If you're at all interested in improving your poor education, might I suggest that you at least learn that "alot" isn't a word? That's illiterate. What you want to do is spell it "a lot." That way no one could accidentally mistake you for a moron.

While we're helping you discover ways to improve yourself, are you aware of the the "walk away" services which The Skeptic Tank provides? If you are needing courage to help you escape from your cult, you may download a large number of testimonials from people just like you who managed to acquire the courage they needed to just walk away. If you're search for help, click on:

http://www.skeptictank.org/walkaway.htm>



From: jors@webtv.net
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:06:39 -0600
To: frice@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice)
Subject: Re: Jimmy Swaggart

You talk the "Talk" but can only walk the walk through fancy twists of the tongue and filthy worded remarks.

This as ALWAYS, is the way of heathen.



From: jors@webtv.net
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:15:31 -0600
To: frice@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice)
Subject: Re: Jimmy Swaggart

Again, like I said before, your filthy tongue shows not only your I.Q. but your ignorance. You believe only what suits your web. I didn't say the man was innocent in reference to the event, what I'm trying to get across is that humans fail. That's right my friend even YOU. That sick and perverted reference to a 7 year old girl came from the heresay words of a prostitute and you just flatly believe it without any proof. THIS IS THE VERY THING THAT YOU ACCUSE CHRISTIANS OF DOING?!?!. Believing something without any proof!. BOY you seemed to get mixed up don't you.

The unforgiveness and bitterness that you hold towards the man is just more proof that the world is filled with evil and corruption.



From: "Fredric L. Rice" <frice@skeptictank.org>
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:49:00 -0800
To: jors@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Jimmy Swaggart

j> Again, like I said before, your filthy tongue shows
j> not only your I.Q. but your ignorance.

That's strange. You "forgot" to provide specifics again. How curious. Perhaps you could attempt to correct that oversight the next time your masters instruct you to unthinkingly mouth off a rant.

j> You believe only what suits your web.

That's strange. You didn't offer any specifics here, either. Curious.

j> I didn't say the man was innocent in reference to the event,
j> what I'm trying to get across is that humans fail.

More so when they're extremist Christian cultists, I know. Your point was what, again?

j> That's right my friend even YOU.

Except that when I do so I recognize the fact and don't repeat it. Cultists, on the other hand, ignore the fact and pretend they may continue on as if it just didn't matter.

Cultists like yourself and your hero, I point out.

j> That sick and perverted reference to a 7 year old girl came
j> from the heresay words of a prostitute

Which your master repeatedly hired to screw.

j> and you just flatly believe it without any proof.

In fact had any of it been even slightly in error, your master would have sued her pants off. And then screwed her for $20.00 again.

j> THIS IS THE VERY THING THAT YOU ACCUSE CHRISTIANS OF DOING?!?!.

That's strange. You "forgot" to provide any specifics again. Golly.

j> Believing something without any proof!.

Just ignore the photographs that were taken of your master outside of the No-Tell Motel and try your best you convince yourself that no evidence exists.

j> BOY you seemed to get mixed up don't you.

I'm not the one trying desperately to cling to a dishonest cult master caught with his dick up some prostitute.

j> The unforgiveness and bitterness that you hold towards the man is
j> just more proof that the world is filled with evil and corruption.

And Christianity is the cause for most of the evil the world knows. Or don't you know the history of your cult?



From: jors@webtv.net
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:18:53 -0600
To: frice@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice)
Subject: Re: Jimmy Swaggart

You keep referring to me as a cultist. What do you think the Atheist belief is??!

You're the one with the "web page" not me! and you're calling ME a cultist? (laughs)

You really need a life bud. Maybe you should REALLY consider Jesus.



From: "Fredric L. Rice" >frice@skeptictank.org>
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:49:04 -0800
To: jors@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Jimmy Swaggart

j> You keep referring to me as a cultist.

Don't you have any idea what constitutes a cult, dear? Or must someone look it up for you and explain it to you slowly? Or perhaps you would prefer that Barney sing it to you?

j> What do you think the Atheist belief is??!

<laughing!> Capitalizing the word won't turn it into a political party, you know. And trying to pretend that the lack of a belief in all the gods and goddesses some how constitutes a belief is like trying to pretend that bald is a hair color.

You cultists will unthinkingly mouth off any absurdity, huh?

j> You're the one with the "web page" not me!

You're the cultist trying desperately to defend your cult master, not I.

j> and you're calling ME a cultist? (laughs)

Be sure to get the blue collar with that new jacket that has arms which tie in the back. And while you're restrained from hurting yourself further, do spend some time looking up the meaning of the word "cultist."

j> You really need a life bud. Maybe you should REALLY consider Jesus.

Oh yes, I consider many fictional Alpha Male constructs every day. Lord Krishna is a superior one to your fictional construct, I might add, and hasn't been given the horrible body count that your cult has attributable to it.

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