Taking over our government

Question answered by honorarykid in Scientology

Anonymous asked this question on 10/1/2000:

I saw this on the net. Could this be for real?

The goal of the department [of governmental affairs] is to bring the government and hostile philosophies or societies into a state of complete compliance with the goals of Scientology. This is done by a high level ability to control and in its absence by a low level ability to overwhelm. Introvert such agencies. Control such agencies. --L. Ron Hubbard, evidence in Church of Spiritual Technology v. U.S., November 22, 1989.

honorarykid gave this response on 10/1/2000:

Yes, that is a real L. Ron Hubbard policy. Scary, isn't it? Hubbard also wrote other similar policies. I don't have the issue date for this one [I'll look it up if you request it via followup], but LRH also wrote:

"One day someone will say, 'This is illegal.' By then, make sure the [Scientology] orgs say what's legal."

Hubbard made it quite clear that "Clearing the planet" was the highest priority goal within the CoS. What does "clearing the planet" mean? Turning everyone into Scientologists, of course.

Clearly, Hubbard's goals for Scientology were nothing less than world domination, not in the religious, but the political sphere. Hubbard wanted to be the unquestioned guru of the entire planet.

But it gets worse. Combine that goal of world domination with another policy that Hubbard wrote:

"There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on the tone scale, neither one of which has anything to do with reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts. The first is to raise them on the tone scale by unenturbulating some of their theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow." - L. Ron Hubbard, from "The Science of Survival"

Here, Hubbard is advocating that those people who refuse to become Scientologists, who refuse to be brainwashed, who refuse to allow one of the three "known" Scientology processes to "unenturbulate their theta" be deleted from society, "quietly and without sorrow."

If I recall correctly, we've seen these same kinds of megalomaniacal policies before, in the first half of this century. In the earlier case, it didn't seem to help anyone.

It certainly didn't help the millions of people on the receiving end of the political equation. They were killed by huge human killing factories.

And contrary to what they fervently believed, it didn't help the people who were (temporarily) on the "dishing-out" end of the political equation, either.

Anonymous asked this follow-up question on 10/1/2000:

Then what of the religious freedom the Scientologists keep talking about? Are they openly out to destroy our system of gouvernment and take away our freedoms under the Bill of Rights?

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honorarykid gave this response on 10/1/2000:

L. Ron Hubbard once said that only unaberrated people (i.e. Scientologists) should have civil rights. I believe that Hubbard would have destroyed your freedoms, had he gained the political power he sought.

But he's now dead. The people currently in Scientology probably don't want to take over the world. They're just trying to be true to the writings of L. Ron Hubbard, without fully understanding the insecurities and fantasies that drove him.

Now that Hubbard's dead, they can moderate somewhat. To be sure, they still try to manipulate the courts and important leaders. They still work toward LRH's goal, but it's like painting or composing without any artistry. They have no focused leader and visionary who drives the group toward world domination. Thank God.

A long time ago, on a.r.s, this topic was discussed. While most critics realize that Scientology does not represent a credible threat to the political systems of the planet, they nevertheless keep on trying, and subverting and cheapening in the process.

Most of the critics have bought into the idea that it's best to nip these kinds of fascistic movements in the bud. Why wait? What if Scientology were to find a new leader with drive and vision, who would unethically use the loyalties of the many well-brainwashed zealots within the church to get the ball rolling once again?

honorarykid gave this follow-up answer on 10/3/2000:

After reading Frederic Rice's anwser, I saw his surprise at seeing a Hubbard quotation dated from Nov, 11, 1989, more than three years after Hubbard died!

I hadn't caught that error in my answer.

While there may have been some court filing or something like that on 11/22/89, this date is bogus if it's being presented as an original date for the quote by Hubbard.

However, the quote is real. It came much earlier than 1989.

It actually comes from an HCO called "Department of Government Affairs" which was published August 15, 1960.

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