http://la.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/127370.php
Minutemen Protest (2 of 3)
The Garden Gove Police Department conducted themselves in ways
that were expected. They protected the racists, and attacked
the people.
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This is the continued report (2 of 3).
This next picture shows people from the Minutemen / SOS group trying
to ensight violence with the peaceful protestors. It didn't work,
but you have to give them credit for trying.
More people trying to insight violence
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They tried and tried again, taunting protestors, inviting them
onto private property (so they could get them arrested). These
militia types will try any tactic to get a rise from the people,
but it simply didn't work. People would verbally engage with
them, but not fall victim to their tactics.
Another hate monger
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Its only 6:50, and the press is interviewing people
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There is one of the corporate media individuals in the crowd
trying to get interviews. I think we should really think about
how we conduct ourselves with them. Even though they are biased
and usually work against us, there are many people on our side
that see these interviews and will respond to the next
demonstration. We need to get rational and calm people to
talk to them. To appear non-biased (even though this is a
joke), they have to put someone on, and if we only give them
good solid points, that is all they can use. Yelling at the
press does NOT help us.
Fox News
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They guy on the left was from Fox. I watched their coverage, and
was surprised to see that it was really the most balanced of all
the coverage I saw. Then I remembered that this is the one weird
time that Bush and us both didn't like the Minutemen. Really
weird feeling!! Of course this is all relative and the coverage
for us could have been a little more honest.
The Anarchists are on the ground!
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The guy in the black shirt tried to taunt people
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He went so far that the police stepped in and had to have a stern
talk with him. He is a lose cannon ready to go off. Please
remember his face and watch your backs around him.
Who is this guy in the red?!?!
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At one point he was trying to debate a Native American for the
news. I wish people had allowed for this to happen, as it would
have made their side look bad. But later in the night he claimed
to be opposed to the Minute Men Project and said he was not
with, nor did he support the Save Our Street group. I could
not figure out who he was, whom he was with, or where he stood
on the issues. Confusing!
This guy was on their side?!?!
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I don't get these people, but then again look at Rice. There are
always a few people who have self hate. I wander if he has any
family living in the countries that are being exploited by our
government?
The Van
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This is the van that hit the protestors. I guess people know this
guy as I saw his name, and phone number on another post. There
was a window broken on the car to immediately follow the mad
man's van. This is unfortunate as it is likely the reason that
the fascist's charges were dismissed. Though these people are
racists, hate mongers, and violent vigilantes, we must
remember what MLK and Gandhi were able to do. If we could
have stopped this from happening, then the media would not
have had a choice except to focus on them as the violent ones.
The car window that was broken gave the press what they needed
to paint the picture they wanted to paint (though I was
enraged as well).
The Police Horses come to the front.
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The protest has now officially began (it is 7:10). The crazy
drive has already hit the peaceful demonstrators (the only thing
on the guys hood was the people that were being flung there when
he hit them as his wife was screaming racial slurs at them). The
police respond by letting the guy give interviews to the press,
and then taking him into custody for the cameras (only to release
him later). My guess is that they took him down to the station to
buy him a beer and thank him for his hate crime. They then bring
horses up to the crowd that is chanting, “Arrest the driver”.
8:00 pm
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The lapse in time is because I had to run home to post about the
hate crime on here. The hate mongers had expected people to leave
once darkness fell. They think this is a game and that we protest
just for fun. If they had a clue about us actually not wanting
racist vigilantes in our state, they would have known that we
would not leave until they are gone.
They are in the meeting!
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We knew that we needed to drum out the hate, and people did just
that. Dancing, drumming, and celebrating the people!
To serve and protect.
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The police assemble in their riot gear to make sure that these
extremists are allowed to plan their attacks on the poor
people of the world. I wander if they would do the same if
we wanted to plan attacks on rich white men!
She looks mean.
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Maybe just upset that she has to fight the types of groups that
gave her the right to vote, the right to be a police officer,
and the right to equal pay. If her side wins, she loses.
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It is now 8:56 pm and the protestors are still here, still
remaining peaceful, and marching to blockade the racists in
the parking lot.
The police begin to organize
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Notice the orange canisters they are carrying, that is mace.
They are beginning to assemble at the back entrance.
They bring the horses into the crowd.
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They used the horses to walk into the crowd, endangering the
peaceful protestors.
The Mace
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I missed the important info on this cop (face, badge number, etc.)
and I apologize for that. He was taunting people with the mace,
looking for an excuse to use it. It is now 9:00pm
More Cops on their horses...
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Author: 1Planet1People
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the police don't respect any of us
The police of Orange County are like the police of Birmingham,
or the police of India. It's not the righteous breaking of
fascist's windows that got the police drop the charges against
the driver. It's that the police are on the Minutemen's and other
right-wingers' side. In fact in many cases they are the same
people. Find how many of the Minutemen are retired "law
enforcement". Ghandi and MLK were proponents of non-violent
action and soem fo suppport what some people deem "violent
action",whihc in this case is self-defense. A right-winger
tries to kill some demonstrators, and all people do is break
his windows. That's restraint.
As far as talking to the media is concerned, you tell them your
story. Don't embellish and don't lie. Just talk naturally and
clearly. Don't expect them to be on your side, but do it anyway.
By the way, Fox local stations are often the best at locla news.
Amongst other reasons is they have a full hour to fill at 10pm.
Author: deanosor
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His wife wasn't even there you idiot
I know from personal witnesses that this report is completely
fabricated! Hal Netkin's car was being attacked, his car wipers
were torn off and his windows were being pounded on. His car
was surrounded by yelling and some violent protestors...so in
fear of not being taken out of his car as in previous riots.
Hal Netkin slowly tried moving away. All injuries were
exaggerated and nothing was serious. The reason he was not
charged is because he did nothing wrong. He was a scared old
man. The protest was out of hand... it is a shame that those
who were hurt because they couldn't protest peacefully. If
your car was surrounded and people yelling and beating down
on your windows... I ask you, what would you do?
Author: Unbiased_Va
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Completely untrue
I know from personal witnesses that this report is completely
fabricated! Hal Netkin's car was being attacked, his car wipers
were torn off and his windows were being pounded on. His car was
surrounded by yelling and some violent protestors...so in fear
of not being taken out of his car as in previous riots. Hal
Netkin slowly tried moving away. All injuries were exaggerated
and nothing was serious. The reason he was not charged is
because he did nothing wrong. He was a scared old man. The
protest was out of hand... it is a shame that those who were
hurt because they couldn't protest peacefully. If your car
was surrounded and people yelling and beating down on your
windows... I ask you, what would you do?
Author: Unbiased_Va
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Response to the Trolls
I have done research of this guy, and it seems he comes from a
multi-cultural background. I can only report eyewitness testimony
(that is what the news does),and I did just that. Now the report
from the young man injured was that he heard a woman yelling racial
slurs at him when he was struct by the car. And it was a man
driving. With everything happening so quickly, it is possible
that slurs came from your crowd of racists, or that he mistook
the man as a woman. I reported it the way it sounded.
With that said, it was the Executive Director of the legal guild
that was flung on the hood. No one is going to believe that he
attacked your car, they are observers, and they have worked with
hundreds of thousands of people in the Southern California area,
with thousands of issues. You can try to claim he was "attacking
you" all you want, the judge is going to laugh you out of the court
room. These people are lawyers, they need to witness stuff because
they either represent us, or they testify for us when we are
falsely arrested. They do not engage in protests, and they do
NOT attack people. To even claim that he "jumped on his van"
is so unbelieveable, I would need video to disclaim it. Just
because the cops sided with him, does not mean he was being
honest. Your side will create your own relaity and say what
ever sounds best at the time. Kind of like you guys saying I
faked pictures. Bet you didn't expect me to have the video
footage to PROVE you wrong. See, you guys are always looking
the fool. Your sign should have read, "Welcome to Wonderland"
The claim that they were faked. Every right wing wacko was so
convinced that it made it to all these websites saying, "Indymedia
Exposed"
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/127222_comment.php#127276
My proof that you guys are fools. Do your homework next time. Just
like the van, you create your own relaity and then call it the
objective truth.
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/127222_comment.php#127471
Author: 1Planet1People
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Real Response to the Trolls
This is not like me, but I just published the unedited version of
my response. I will usually just say, oh well, but there are
things added that I wanted to say. So please disregard the last
post for this one.
*********************************************
I have done research of this guy, and it seems he comes from a
multi-cultural background. This does not mean he is not racist,
but does bring up questions why he hates Mexican’s so much (he runs
two hateful websites against Pro-Mexican/Immigrant Policies and
People). When it comes to a story, I can only report eyewitness
testimony (that is what the news does), and I did just that. The
statement I took was from a direct interview he gave to Channel 2
News that night. I would not have run it, except I saw it come
from his mouth. Now the report from the young man injured was that
he heard a woman yelling racial slurs at him when the car struck
him. And it was a man driving. With everything happening so quickly,
it is possible that slurs came from your crowd of racists, or that he
mistook the man as a woman. I reported it the way it sounded.
With that said, from what I understand, it was the Executive
Director of the legal guild that was flung on the hood. No one
is going to believe that he attacked your car, they are legal
OBSERVERS, and they have worked with hundreds of thousands of
people in the Southern California area, with thousands of issues.
You can try to claim he was "attacking you" all you want, the
judge is going to laugh you out of the courtroom. These people
are lawyers, they need to witness stuff because they either
represent us, or they testify for us when we are falsely
arrested. They do NOT engage in protests, and they do NOT
attack people. To even claim that he "jumped on his van"
is so unbelievable, I would need video to prove it. Just
because the cops sided with Hal, does not mean he was being
honest. Your side will create your own reality and say what
ever sounds best at the time. Kind of like you guys saying
I faked pictures. Bet you didn't expect me to have the video
footage to PROVE you wrong. See, you guys are always looking
the fool. Your sign should have read, "Welcome to Wonderland"
The claim that they were faked. Every right wing wacko was so
convinced that it made it to all these websites saying, "Indymedia Exposed"
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/127222_comment.php#127276
My proof that you guys are fools. Do your homework next time.
Just like the van, you create your own relaity and then call it the
objective truth.
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/127222_comment.php#127471
Author: 1Planet1People
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It's "incite"
Incite, not "ensight"
Author: someone
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She said, he said
All this "they did this" and "they did that" accusation reminds
me of that Runaway Bride fabrication. When someone screws up,
point the blame at the guy lowest on the social ladder. Blame
the Black Guy. Blame the Illegal Immigrant.
Yeah, the loud activists.... they gotta be to blame, because
they're so.... upsetting.
And so many people believe it, because they have nothing but
their fear to trust. Keep them afraid with more fear mongering,
and they'll believe anything.
it's dark times, but truth is the light.
Author: johnk
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What color is the sky in your world?
"The exits are peacefully blocked"
What?
WHAT?
YOU CAN'T BLOCK SOMEONE'S MOVEMENT AND STILL BE PEACEFUL, YOU MORON!
It's an intimidation tactic. It's also a form of terrorism. If you
restrict a person's ability to get away, you are holding them
prisoner, it's unlawful for a reason. If you were surrounded by
a throng of old men, (which is what they are) and they wouldn't let
you leave, you would go through the goddamn roof.
If I see one more person bitching and whining about rich, white
(American) men I'm going to scream. How about looking at the
BILLIONAIRES running Mexico right now. I know it’s hard to do,
considering that country operates like a Suisse watch and doesn't
have any culture of rampant corruption at all. If you wouldn't
mind casting your narrow gaze southward, you might notice the
WHITE MEXICANS (of European extraction) who are exploiting the
BROWN MEXICANS (of indigenous heritage) by allowing generation
after generation to live in utter poverty and squalor. You’ll
notice something most of the people on this board are
constantly screaming about. Want a hint? Here, I’ll put
it in caps for you. It’s…
RACISM!
See? Si? Understand better now, dumbass? Kind of like looking
into the sun, isn't it? If you want to start somewhere, start
there.
Oh, and for the record, it's "wonder," not "wander," you ignoramus.
Author: Apache
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The Garden Grove's police's take
Netkin was released after police watched a videotape that showed
protesters surrounding the vehicle, banging on it and refusing
to move, said Garden Grove Police Lt. Mike Handfield. About 300
protesters at the scene were “trying to intimidate him and
refused to let him pass,” Handfield said. By night’s end,
five demonstrators had been arrested.
{snip}
The protesters blocked the entrance and tossed soda cans and
cans packed with marbles at police and attendees, Handfield
said. They kicked, banged and threw rocks at cars; some wore
latex gloves and hoods so they wouldn’t be identified by
police, Handfield said. Some attendees decided not to enter
the building because they feared violence.
Unbiased OUT
Author: Unbiased_VA
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Re: The Garden Grove's police's take
Reality check: the cops say they have a video that exonerates
them, so it must be true. Who's seen it? You, "Unbiased"?
We have witnesses, the cops have Handfield, so, according to
the "Unbiased" comments, the demonstrators are liars, the cops
are telling the truth.
"All politics put aside" my ass. Politics according to Unbiased_Va
are that the police must be right be telling the truth because
they're the police. I don't know anyone who's fallen for that
one in forty years, except a few yokels up in the hills.
Author: The Morrígan
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All photos are real... my apoligies to 1planet and everyone
I just want everyone to know that all photos are real... I used
poor word usage by saying doctored... I meant to mean one
sided... nonetheless... I'm sorry to 1planet , ...his photos
are 100 percent real!!!
Unbiased OUT
Author: Unbiased_VA
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VIva!
> "YOU CAN'T BLOCK SOMEONE'S MOVEMENT AND STILL BE PEACEFUL,
> YOU MORON!
> "It's an intimidation tactic. It's also a form of terrorism.
> If you restrict a person's ability to get away, you are holding
> them prisoner, it's unlawful for a reason. If you were surrounded
> by a throng of old men, (which is what they are) and they
> wouldn't let you leave, you would go through the goddamn
> roof."
Damnit! That's right. BLOCKING MOVEMENT IS TERRORISM. BLOCKING
IT WITH THE THREAT OF ARMED FORCE IS *DOUBLE* *TERRORISM*. No
more borders!
AND especially, down with any WHITE HAIRED border vigilanted.
> "If I see one more person bitching and whining about rich,
> white (American) men I'm going to scream. How about looking at
> the BILLIONAIRES running Mexico right now. I know it’s hard to
> do, considering that country operates like a Suisse watch and
> doesn't have any culture of rampant corruption at all. If
> you wouldn't mind casting your narrow gaze southward, you
> might notice the WHITE MEXICANS (of European extraction)
> who are exploiting the BROWN MEXICANS (of indigenous
> heritage) by allowing generation after generation to live
> in utter poverty and squalor. You’ll notice something most
> of the people on this board are constantly screaming about.
> Want a hint? Here, I’ll put it in caps for you. It's RACISM!
> "See? Si? Understand better now, dumbass? Kind of like looking
> into the sun, isn't it? If you want to start somewhere, start
> there. "
SI! Si my brother. THE PROBLEM TRULY IS WHITE RACISM. DOWN WITH
WHITES! DOWN WITH THEIR BROWN COLLABORATORS!
Tear down the borders to build an global indigenous resistance
against all European racism! And the church too!
Author: The Enquirer
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warning tone {beep}
Division engineering among the exploited is another tool of
the criminal structure.
Bridges, not walls are needed.
Allies not enemies will turn the resistance.
We are freemen.
Author: Feedbreaker
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Racism
Please don't blame all whites for the problems. There are many
of us that are on your side. I just want to state as clearly as
possible, that there are many European-Americans that understand
that this land was stolen from natives, and that we understand
the struggles caused through racism, and that we are on the
side of those who have been fu*ked over the last 500 years.
Spain first screwed the people, then, Mexico tried to fix
the problems, but before things could be corrected, red
necked bastards wanted the land, and the Amerikkkas backed
them. Though we are few, there are those of us willing to
go to the line to restore justice. Please don't hate those
of us willing to fight the system for you and with you.
Though, it is VERY likely that one of those racists a55holes
posted the post that divides people, we will not be divided.
This is a struggle against the powers that be, and we, as
citizens of the planet earth; we beat these powers. All power
to the people!
Author: 1Planet1People
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to 1planet
That "Apache" guy is on the MM side.
Author: cult of anzaldua
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