http://la.indymedia.org/news/2005/05/127392.php
Minutemen Protest (3 of 3)
The Garden Gove Police Department conducted themselves in ways
that were expected. They protected the racists, and attacked
the people.
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This is the continued report (2 of 3).
The police are carrying the big sticks looking for anyone within
striking distance.
Author: 1Planet1People
An Arrest
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Out of nowhere, the police charge into the crowd and attack this
guy. I happened to capture the entire thing on my video camera
and there was no pop cans, no bottles, no objects thrown at
all, as the police claim. These cops are as crazy as the Minute
Men, but the lie better. (According to the LA Times the Garden
Grove Police Lt. David Kivler claimed that when the crazy van
driver was leaving, and then the protestors starting throwing
filled soda cans at officers). You can look at the light from
the photos of the van, the injured people, and they speak for
themselves. The GGPD is just a city-endorsed gang!
Stop It!
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A protestor objects to the officers placing their batons in
the mouth of this innocent victim.
The Racist Camera Guy
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I can't remember who this guy is, but when a Mexican male said
something to him (I didn't hear what), he responded by saying,
"go back to where you came from". (I did hear that). The
Mexican man responded, "back to where", and the camera guy
said, "you know where", then the Mexican man said, "no I don't,
go back where", and the camera guy said (sarcastically),
"home". There was no doubt he was referring to Mexico, he
is a racist, and he was in the crowd trying to find anything
that would make our side look bad. These people are dangerous
and the very reason we need to watch everything we do. When
we are innocent, they ignore it, when we aren't it leads the
story. I would rather be ignored than painted as a violent
person. The fact that he did not air "pop cans thrown at
cops" says a lot about their outrageous claims.
Another picture of the racist
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it is now 9:15 pm.
Another picture of the racist
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If anyone knows who this guy works for, we need to contact his
employer and file complaints. He should not be working in the
media, and I think we can work to get him removed.
Yet another
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I am hoping people recognize him, or can see something that I
missed. We need to identify him.
Last one.
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Big Sticks
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The police were trying to flank us.
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The order to disburse was not given yet, and they were positioning
themselves to attack from the front and the side.
More of the flant
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The police advance
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It is 9:21, the crowd is leaving, and they are looking for people
not in the group to attack. This is probably when they arrested
the person in the wheel chair for attacking the police with a
weapon (the only thing he had on him was an expensive audio
recorder).
Final Annocments
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9:25 pm - People agree to go to the police department to stand in
solidarity with the victims to this abuse of police powers.
People are also getting the information from our legal team
for the lawsuits that will be following.
People assemble at the GGPD
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10:49pm - A group of individuals are gathering at the PD. The police
were not happy and said that they would not work with us, that they
were processing the prisoners, and they would transfer them to
the OC jail.
Standing Guard
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Organizing
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People try to organize an action to get the prisoners released.
Peacefully, we march
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10:54 pm - People begin to march and chant together. We knew that
in a residental area, they would have to work with us. The good
thing is that residents came out to find out what was going on.
Once they heard the story, every one of them supported us. It
seems like the GGPD is not a popular group in their neighborhood.
They Talked
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The police agreed to work with us after all, so long as we
remained silent and stopped protesting. We agreed.
The Conclusion
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1:09 am They set high bails that only one person could post for
(ranged from $20,000 - $50,000) and gave people 60 minutes to
come up with the money. There are still several prisoners in
jail, but the action worked in the sense that they did agree
to work with us. If we had an additional 500 people there,
there is no doubt in my mind that all the people would have
been released. I think this is something we need to really
think about. The people arrested didn't do anything, they
were innocent victims in a tactic to disperse the crowd.
Considering it could have been any of us, it is important
that everyone involved in these demonstrations stand in
solidarity with those victims of police harassment. When
the people are united, they are never defeated. People
began to leave sometime between 2 and 3 am.
Author: 1Planet1People
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The Police Account
Now, after looking at the pictures and reading the commentary,
take a look at the police's account of what happended. My pictures
alone expose their lies.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/state/la-me-minuteman26may26,1,2210132.story?coll=la-news-state&ctrack=1&cset=true
Author: 1Planet1People
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The text of the account
I don't want to give the LA Times a chance to remove their story
when they see how rediculs it is, so here is the text.
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May 26, 2005 latimes.com
Violence Erupts at O.C. Protest
Crowd gets rough and police swarm in after a Minuteman event in
Garden Grove.
By Monte Morin and David Reyes, Times Staff Writers
Three people were injured and at least eight arrested Wednesday in
Garden Grove after a motorist drove into a crowd of 300 demonstrators
protesting a speech by the founder of the Minuteman Project,
authorities said.
The Minuteman Project is a citizens group that patrols the U.S.-Mexico
border in an effort to stop illegal immigration.
The demonstrators had gathered at the Women's Civic Club of Garden
Grove on Chapman Avenue about 7:30 p.m. to protest an appearance
by James Gilchrist, charging that he and his group were racist.
Gilchrist has denied those claims and insists the group is stopping
only illegal immigration. His talk was sponsored by Citizens for
Action Now, an anti-illegal immigration group.
The motorist had attended Gilchrist's speech and was leaving when
protesters began hitting his van with placards and other objects,
said Garden Grove Police Lt. David Kivler. The driver, who was
not identified but spoke to a KCAL-TV Channel 9 reporter, said
he gunned his car engine to get away from the crowd. The man
was arrested.
Authorities said the incident occurred when 100 listeners attempted
to leave through the crowd of demonstrators. Kivler said protesters
gathered around one of their cars.
"They surrounded it and started beating on it," Kivler said. Then,
a second car tried to get through the crowd as well.
"As he was doing so he hit at least three people," Kivler said. All
three were transported to a local hospital. None had major
injuries, he said.
Kivler said the crowd grew increasingly boisterous after the
injuries.
He said protesters began throwing filled soda cans at the assembled
Garden Grove, Anaheim and CHP officers. At least eight people were
arrested on suspicion of felony assault, while others were booked
for disturbing the peace.
A witness, Eric Garcia, 22, of Anaheim said the evening turned ugly
about 9 p.m. after the talk.
He said some protesters were in a driveway when someone in a car
tried to leave and made contact with the group. "Then all hell
broke loose," Garcia said. "People started throwing things,
like rocks and bricks and stuff."
Within minutes, he said, there were about 30 police cars, and
dozens of officers on horseback or wearing SWAT gear.
Protester Jose Gonzales, 27, a graduate student at UCLA, said
he noticed dozens of additional police officers, some of them
on horseback, arriving on the scene. He said they began making
arrests and dispersing the crowd, which had been marching in
front of the building where Gilchrist was speaking.
"When the meeting let out … police dragged people, men and women,"
Gonzales said. "There were men and women and children running
away…. I ran. I lost my shoe."
By 10 p.m. police ordered the crowd to disperse, saying they were
part of an unlawful assembly. If they refused, police said,
they would be arrested. Within half an hour, the streets were
nearly empty of protesters.
Author: 1Planet1People
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The Truth at Last
Thanks for doing documenting what happened so well and for showing
how the press and police distorted it. When I read the LA Times
and AP articles (which have since been picked up and regurgitated
by many other news outlets) I couldn't believe what I was reading.
I was there (and was hit by the rapidly accelerating Dodge Caravan).
The LA Times article was co-written by 2 people, neither of whom
could have been there, since they got everything wrong and also
quoted out-and-out lies about "bricks and stones." AP is worse.
Author: L'audace
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Santa Cruz Supports You
I am utterly DISGUSTED by what I'm seeing! We students at UCSC
stand in solidarity with our brothers and sisters down south.
Show those motherfuckers that we refuse to live in a police
state!
Author: Chris
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Solidarity and support is definitely what is needed
Two of my schoolmates were arrested, one of them was the young man
in the wheelchair. This REALLY can happen to any of us, therefore
we MUST work to help them regain their freedom. Thank you.
Author: You fight fire with water and hate with love.
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Racist Camera Guy
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This is NOT absoult proof, but I just pulled this still off my
digital video camera. She was standing with the racist guy. Now
understand that there were more than one camera guy there and
it is possible that this guy was not with her, nonetheless, it
is good enough to send an email to Channel 9 news exposing him.
If it is their guy, they will know. You can call them at
(323) 467-9999 or go to the following website.
(http://kcal9.com/feedback/) Direct them to this page and tell
them that you will not stand for this sort of racism in the news!
Author: 1Planet1People
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One last word about that
I will not say what that guy did was justified, it wasn't. But
after posting that, I did feel like I wasn't giving the whole
story. Let me explain why. The mexican male that was talking
to him was harassing him a bit. I saw a lot of harassament of
the corporate media on this day. I know it is because they
always paint us as the bad people, and the activist community
has come to expect this, and therefore does not like these
people. But I will say that I have a friend that worked for
CBS. He quite because everytime he got a good story (he is
a true progressive) it got gutted in the editor's room.
Many of these people are on our side, and their hands are
often tied when it comes to what gets on the air (watch
outfoxed). I don't know what was said to this guy before
he made the racist statement, but I think he flew off the
handle, and when he couldn't take it back, tried to side
step it. As I said before, racism is never justified, but
without context, I would not be acting in good faith to you,
my audience. Indymedia is about the truth, and now you know
the entire story. With that said, act in good faith to your
morals. You have the story, and the contact info, do as you will.
Author: 1Planet1People
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My Mistake
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My Mistake. Sorry.
Author: 1Planet1People
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Your an incredible idiot
Get 'yer fucking facts together before you start labeling
people racist, dipshit.
YOU'RE the fucking racist, Mechista, Aztlan asshole.
Author: Hellfire USA
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i was there
i was next to this idiot when he was saying those things he tried
to get people on camera after they would start responding the
racist bullshit he was saying. he does work for channel 7 so anyone
and everyone needs to start writting in about this racist asshole.
Author: anthony
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hahaha
so, without hearing what the mexican man had to say to the camera
man, you already take his side? wow, nice "objective" viewpoint.
Author: mike
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It doesn't matter
First, that is why I added context. But racism is never tolerable.
If a person harasses me, regardless of what they are saying, I would
never resort to statements about racism or sterotyping. He may have
been justified in saying something like, "get away from me you
a55hole" or trying to explain he wasn't against us, or what ever.
But when you are at a protest fighting racists like the Minutemen,
don't make racial slurs. But I do not expect your side to
understand this for obvious reasons.
I do feel bad for him though. He is obviously from "that generation"
where people were simpy brought up racist. The entire gerenation was
not bad people. You could tell he knew he said something wrong after
he said it, and I think we can all make a stupid mistake. That is
the reason I am not calling his station myself. Nonetheless, it was
racist, and it was wrong. And though I do not like the way the
corporate media was treated (stated many times above), and I do
not agree with the harassement he recieved, it was all verbal,
non-violent, and legal. Further, because I stand against racism
does not necessarily mean that I am always on the side of every
oppressed person. It is at least possible (talking theorietically)
to be against both sides. But in this case, I am (as your biased
news says) just reporting, you decide.
Author: 1planet1people
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If he said it, he's a racist, at least a little
"Go back to where you came from," is always straight out racist,
and always a rude insult.
The last two times I was told this it was by people who didn't agree
with what I was doing, and neither situation was about immigration,
race, or racism. I was holding a sign in the street about the war.
Some guy drove by and told me to go back to China. I wish I could,
because I've never been to China. He didn't offer to buy me a
ticket, though.
Another time, in a similar situation, this crazy, angry guy told
a whole group of us to go back to where we came from. The real
funny part was that I think all of us, or almost all of us, were
born in America, and we had to figure out who he was talking
about. The guy insulting us was from Viet Nam! He still had a
thick accent.
Another racist person of color, taking the KKK position, hopiing
to be more American, by hating.
I almost threw his words back at him, but, held my tongue. All I
said was, "Hey, have you looked in the mirror?" We had the high
ground, and more people, and could have ripped him a new one if
we wanted. He had to live with himself.
Author: johnk
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harhar
Oh, 1 Planet 1 People....your name is sooo ironic! 1 people, but
only if they are not white apparently. Though I guess if they
can beat on a drum that's okay? I can't believe you would say
that racism is intolerable when it's obvious your whole
movement is built on it.
Oh and guess what? It would not be racist to "lighten" some of
your pictures. Learn to spell too. What grade did you drop
out of?
Author: CitizenJ
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Citizen J
Not being a perfect speller means your not educated? Then why
did you right wingers vote someone in office who can't even
speak English, let alone spell it? As for what level of education
I completed, well it is none of your business, but I would be
willing to bet that it was more than you. At most you probably
have a bachelors in business. I doubt someone as unenlightened
as you could have gotten a degree in much of anything else.
Why don't you trolls go back to where YOU came from (likely a
place like Utah).
We really get under your skin, don't we? Makes me smile a bit.
The only point we are trying to make is that you are not welcome
doing your vigilante activity in California, and you will never
be able to conduct these planning sessions, or patrols here,
without people thwarting your efforts. We will win.
Author: 1Planet1People
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smiling
You make me giggle too. I wish we could do a lot more smiling
and a lot less racist bickering. As to your predictions: I'm
not a right winger, I hate that dumbass monkey Jorge Bush,
I don't live in Utah, I have a degree but it isn't in
business. Maybe we really have a lot more in common that
you'd think. Anyway, most of your pictures are pretty
good and I did enjoy viewing them. Thanks for taking them
and posting them.
Author: CitizenJ
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CJ
Maybe we do....
:)
Author: 1Planet1People
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What's a troll?
What's a troll?
Author: Ethan
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ethan
Being a troll is when you go on forums such as this and make comments
which are intended to piss people off and bait them into an enormous
flame war. We should all engage in civil discourse, but you know
how it is sometimes!
Author: CitizenJ
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The Polices Take
With VideoTape... and the reason only one person had " MINOR injuries"
its the truth that hurts you all...
Netkin was released after police watched a videotape that showed
protesters surrounding the vehicle, banging on it and refusing
to move, said Garden Grove Police Lt. Mike Handfield. About 300
protesters at the scene were “trying to intimidate him and refused
to let him pass,” Handfield said. By night’s end, five
demonstrators had been arrested.
{snip}
The protesters blocked the entrance and tossed soda cans and cans
packed with marbles at police and attendees, Handfield said. They
kicked, banged and threw rocks at cars; some wore latex gloves
and hoods so they wouldn’t be identified by police, Handfield
said. Some attendees decided not to enter the building because
they feared violence.
UNBIASED OUT
Author: Unbiased_VA
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Re: The Polices Take
Reality check: the cops say they have a video that exonerates
them, so it must be true. Who's seen it? You, "Unbiased"?
We have witnesses, the cops have Handfield, so, according to the
"Unbiased" comments, the demonstrators are liars, the cops are
telling the truth.
"All politics put aside" my ass. Politics according to Unbiased_Va
are that the police must be right be telling the truth because
they're the police. I don't know anyone who's fallen for that one
in forty years, except a few yokels up in the hills.
Author: The Morrígan
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All photos are real....my apolgies to 1planet and everyone
I just want everyone to know that all photos are real... I used
poor word usage by saying doctored... I meant to mean one sided...
nonetheless... I'm sorry to 1planet , ...his photos are 100
percent real!!!
Unbiased OUT
Author: Unbiased_VA
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Caca
I said this elsewhere, but it also fits so well here too.
So the descendents of brown people from Mexico are ostensibly
calling the descendents of white people from Europe racists
because they want to stem the tide of people into this country
who do not pay income tax, are exploited by big corporations
and have a massive impact on our schools, hospitals, crime rate,
and just about every conceivable facet of our infrastructure.
What is the alternative that the counterdemonstrators desire? NO
border controls? Status quo? Do they want illegal (they are)
foreign citizens to just be able to run into our country without
any kind of security check whatsoever? Are these people to work
at $10.00 an hour jobs for the rest of their lives when most
people can't make ends meet at twice that wage?
Here's another question to sleep on. What would the racial makeup
of the counterdemonstrators be if there were no hispanics crossing
the border, but Asians were coming in by way of Canada. Would
there be so many of my brothers out there chanting and shouting
for the equality of illegal Chinese immigrants?
Utter fools. This is not about racism. This is about three simple
things. 1. National Security 2. The rule of law 3. Simple
economics.
Anyone screaming "racist" is either a racist or a total moron.
Author: Roberto
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Simply Wrong
First, most the people in this country that are illegal do pay
taxes. The give false SS numbers to get jobs. This means that
the money that gets paid in is never returned (you know, the
american tax return we all wait for). Further, they pay sales
tax, property tax (included in rental costs), and every other
tax. The only thing that they don't do is drain the tax system.
There are many studies that confirm that if all illegals leave,
that taxes will have to increase. Do your research people, you
are all wrong! The studies are published on
http://www.aila.org/contentViewer.aspx?bc=17,142#section2
Please help, and get these stupid racists out of my country. They
are simply not welcome to breath our air, and I wish I could
get them to stop!
Author: 1Planet1People
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Reply to Roberto
The protest is against racism.
Like beauty and obscenity, it's in the eye of the beholder.
The counterprotesters have no uniform demand, but seek to bring
attention to the racist aspects of the Minutemen and SOS.
Also, there are Asians coming into the country, overstaying travel
visas, sneaking in via Canada, etc. There are people from the
Carribean doing the same.
Regarding key issues.
1. National Security - if you close the southern border, the coasts
and northern border will become the preferred methods of entry.
2. The rule of law - once made Black people slaves, and Brown people
second class citizens.
3. Simple economics - the wages of any group of people who have a
second-class status, and have fewer rights, will be lower than
average.
If the rule of law continues to marginalize undocumented people
by giving them fewer rights, simple economics dictates that wages
will continue to drop, and demand for this type of labor will
increase, and more people will sneak in via the unsecured coasts
and northern border.
Author: cult of anzaldua
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What a circus of retards!
Let me make it easy for 1planet here.
"who do not pay INCOME tax" - Didja get that moron?
INCOME TAX.
In order to pay...
INCOME TAX
...every April 15, you need to have a GENUINE (not false) Social
Security number. You also need a tax ID number as well. I know
there aren't a lot of illegal aliens in this country falling all
over each other trying to pay their fair share of...
INCOME TAX
...every year. I am sure though they do take their unfair share of
the social services that AMERICAN CITIZENS pay for when they pay
their...
INCOME TAX.
So here is an entire class of people that drive on American highways,
go to American hospitals (and don't have to pay), call American
police, fire, EMS, etc., go to American schools, and find American
jobs and simply don't pay...
INCOME TAX
...to cover any of it. So spare me the bullshit "they pay taxes too"
line, because they don't.
As for the other points.
1. Simple Economics - This is a no - brainer. The United States
Government needs to start prosecuting and fining American corporations
that exploit the cheap labor that illegal immigrants provide. These
good people do not deserve to be exploited in America any more than
they need to be exploited in Mexico. So what if they make much more
money here. The fact of the matter is, that it's not a living wage.
Also, people in these jobs deserve health insurance if they work
past a certain number of hours. Many American companies that hire
them simply say "sue us" and don't provide it.
I don't care how hard working people from other nations are. If they
come to the United States ILLEGALLY and CUT IN LINE in front of all
the other LEGAL immigrants, then they need to be deported. Simple
as that. With almost 300 million people in this country, I'm sure
we'll find someone to pick the strawberries. And without having to
spend BILLIONS of dollars on illegal immigrants, the price to pay
will be well worth it.
2. The Rule of Law - Slavery, let's see that went out of style in
the US in 1865. I don't know what other laws marginalize brown
people these days since so many white people I see are self-hating,
and paranoid of their own shadows when it comes to being branded
racist. Looks like you got me there. I have no idea what you're
talking about.
Wait. Maybe I do. Maybe you're trying to tell me that people that
are here illegally who violate American sovereignty and VIOLATE
AMERICAN IMMIGRATION LAW should be incarcerated and returned to
their country of origin. That's kind of what the rule of law
dictates, right? I mean, no other nation on the planet would
stand for it, would they? Why should the United States?
That is what you're saying, no? Si?
3. National Security - No one said to close the border. The point
is to secure it so not every Tom, Pedro and Osama can just waltz
across with Beer, Pot and a MIRV 6 (or a tactical nuke) under his
or her shirt. Again, no other nation in the world would tolerate
it. Russians would have planted land mines a long time ago and
if you got to the wall they would have had no compunction
about shooting.
It has already been documented that Al Queda has designs on
infiltrating our southern border through Mexico. They have
indicated they want to set up shop in Latin America and screw
us that way. Canada would be too difficult for them since they
don't have A CULTURE OF CORRUPTION for them to exploit.
I'm sure though you'll get your way. I'm sure nothing will be
done and people will just keep flowing over day in and day out.
When the day comes and No one can live in Los Angeles or San
Diego for the next 250,000 years because of radiation, I'll be
sure to thank all the hard working ILLEGAL ALIENS that came
to the United States and picked strawberries.
Well done!
Author: Roberto
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demonstrator
um, that old white guy who is a cameraman works for ABC-7. he was
there that night with reporter Miriam Hernandez.
Author: yo
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wait
Roberto: "Canada would be too difficult for them since they don't
have A CULTURE OF CORRUPTION for them to exploit. "
ever heard of adscam, gagliano, khretien?
Author: hoser
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Oh, that's right...
Sure. Canada is so much more corrupt than Mexico. That's why people
flee Canada in droves. I totally understand it now.
I know that so many cops in Canada ROUTINELY shake down motorists,
(especially Americans) for money on the side of the road. It has
gotten to the point where it's a total joke. "Be sure you have cash
for the cops when you travel in Canada."
Canadian politicians regularly accept payments from any number of
the several deadly Canadian drug cartels that are responsible for
the murder of hundreds if not THOUSANDS of Canadians and Americans
that they see as a threat.
Yeah, you got me there. Canada is so much more of a cesspool of
corruption than Mexico could ever be.
The more I think about it, the more I regret even taking the time
to respond to such a stupid non-rebuttal. Tell me, did you actually
type that with a straight face or were you on the floor laughing
when you implied that Canadian governmental corruption would
even approach the scourge of Mexican corruption.
Seriously.
Author: Roberto
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1/2 and 1/2
part serious and part not. I wasn't comparing Canadas past 15 years
of bribes, kickbacks, mafia connections, sidestepping democracy for
1 party state, paid voting blocks with their own kickback devices,
BOUGHT media, visionless and gutless and elitist-socialist slimebag
Liberals still in power(defying process of parliament to do it)
TO the illegal immigrant thing in the southwest.
I was only wondering if you really think Canada of the last 15
years of liberal reign was corruptionless...?
But never mind, it's off topic.
Author: hoser
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