http://la.indymedia.org/news/2005/06/127933.php

Baldwin Park Poster

I just received this poster from an anonymous source, and I thought people may be interested in seeing it. It is likely that people will get a hold of this poster, and take in amongst themselves to copy it and distribute it throughout Baldwin Park, Los Angeles, Orange County, and other parts of the Southern California Area.

To date, there are no Spanish translations on the internet, but it is expected that someone will translate this so the author can present another flyer.

Look at what the protestors are up against!

http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2005/04/25966.php

Author: 1Planet1People
Link: arizona.indymedia.org/news/2005/04/25966.php
Posted: Tuesday May 31, 2005 05:45 PM

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DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!

Please remember that this is not a pace to feed trolls. The SOS group will post here to attempt to get people to violate the laws. They will dominate the comment area; do not engage with them. Organize in your individual groups, and only use this are for updates, but DO NOT FEED THEM TROLLS!!

Author: 1Planet1People
Posted: Tuesday May 31, 2005 05:50 PM

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repost of flyer

download PDF (210.5 kibibytes)

The flyer that was first posted list ed LA-IMC to contact for more information.

The new uploaded flyer deletes this.

LA-IMC does not endorse or coordinate any events or announcements by those who post to this.

Author: IMC
Posted: Wednesday June 01, 2005 12:53 AM

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Here it is

download PDF (34.9 kibibytes)

Author: Here it is
Posted: Wednesday June 01, 2005 01:28 AM

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hva?

-'The SOS group will post here to attempt to get people to violate the laws."

If posts on an anonymous message board are enough to "make people violate laws." Then maybe you should rethink who you associate yourself with. as the old saying goes; if you hang out with dogs, your bound to get fleas.

but i guess in your world, "workers" are immune from the social restrictions of the exploitative-capilist-military-industrial- racist-imperialist-system which denies them their autonomy. As we all know, only true autonomy can be seen whilist "eliminating" the capalist/racist/facist/ect vermin. Thus in your scripted utopia, all men become equal in slavery to the marxist machine.

Author: Donnachaidh
Posted: Wednesday June 01, 2005 05:07 AM

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Repy

I can't speak for the artist, but I have a lot of African American friends that don't like the color labels because they are not black, but brown. This may not have anything to do with it though.

As far as the artwork, my suggestion is to go here and read about it:

http://www.sparcmurals.org/sparcone/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=209&Itemid=124

I thank you for your rational question. To me, good art is thought provoking, and represents social struggle. I believe that the arch does that, and it would be a shame if anyone from the SOS group attacked or vandalized it (they never said they were, but the claim that it WILL come down).

Author: 1Planet1People
Link: www.sparcmurals.org/sparcone/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=209&It...
Posted: Wednesday June 01, 2005 06:15 AM

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Not True

1planet...

That flier is just WRONG!

I am a board member of SOS and we DO NOT WANT THE MONUMENT TO COME DOWN. In fact, we like the structure and don't have a problem with any of the language except...

the quote from Anzaldua and the "it was better before they came excerpt.

These are the passages we want removed.

However, the African Americans we have in our group are offended by the community quote but not enough to call for it to be removed. Their problem is that it doesn't include the word black. I personally think that an ideal community that includes poor isn't ideal but...that's just me.

Please change that flier. It is just beneath this organization and the fine people I have met here from time to time to just flat out lie about what our position is on the monument.

Also to clarify, we have common interests! Most (definitely the leaderhship of this organization) hate BUSH and would love nothing more than to see him impeached, do not want the exploitation of illegal labor by MNCs (no benefits and no living wage), and want the eradication of free trade agreements like CAFTA and NAFTA.

I am an optimist and I don't see this happening today, but, perhaps sometime in the future some of our organizations can work together to defeat some of these common enemies.

Of course we welcome the counter protest on the 25th. We expect you to be as peaceful as we were at the first one and those of you that were truly there know that we were. We don't want to hurt you and we don't want to be hurt.

Please respect our constitutional rights to assemble and protest freely as we do yours.

BTW-I think a food, dancing, music events sounds great. I do have contacts that can help make this happen for you. Post here if you are interested in the information and I will share my email address with you. I prefer to just work with one person on this however because of obvious reason.

Cheers!

Author: SOS Board Member
Posted: Wednesday June 01, 2005 02:53 PM

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your fight is wrong

"Wrong" is the only word for it.

The community approved it via some panel of local people, and it has been a fixture there for over a decade. Now, some outside group wants to modify it.

That is wrong.

SOS didn't do enough research to learn that Anzaldua, who wrote the quote, is not a "Reconquista". In fact, Anzaldua had faced opposition from the more conservative Chicanos, because she was critical of sexism and anti-gay sentiments within the community.

SOS is foolish for buying into the right-wing hoopla over MEChA. If you read Gustavo Arrellano's article about MEChA, it's funny, because the GOP campaign guy who engineered the "mecha attack" on Bustamante doesn't think MEChA is a threat. He just did it to scare white voters.

To top it off, they cannot figure out that a lot of Mexican American people see their actions and speech as racism. Even their allies say as much, but the SOS cabal just don't seem to be listening to their minority members. Maybe tokens are supposed to remain silent, and if they pipe up, they can be ignored.

Author: johnk
Posted: Wednesday June 01, 2005 04:50 PM

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Reply

An updated flyer will be posted shortly. I emailed the author of it (I am not the one creating the flyer, I just have agreed to post it) and she is going to alter it and re-post it. As a side note, there have been many people on your forums who have said they want the entire monument removed. One person went so far as to say that if his truck wasn't so nice, he would crash into it. He also talked about vandalizing it with buck shots.

Author: 1Planet1People
Posted: Wednesday June 01, 2005 04:59 PM

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trong>Extra Note

It seems that several people think that I am a part of the administration of la indymedia. As I do report through this medium, I am not in control of indymedia, nor do I claim to be. I am a media activist, using this platform to report the news from the perspective of the protestors. I support indymedia, and I am thankful that they allow me the use of their newswire to report. Just wanted to put that out there.

Author: 1Planet1People
Posted: Wednesday June 01, 2005 05:08 PM

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New Flyer

download PDF (176.6 kibibytes)

INDYMEDIA: Could you please see to it that the second flyer is removed so this is the only available one? Though many protestors maintain that SOS and the MM Project, is racist to its very core, they were willing to alter the flyer to stay true to the intentions of the SOS group in Baldwin Park. I hope everyone is satisfied with this one.

Author: 1Planet1People
Posted: Wednesday June 01, 2005 05:49 PM

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Flyer Image

bp2.jpg, image/jpeg, 542x700

Here is an image file to make posting this on other sites easier.

Author: 1Planet1People
Posted: Wednesday June 01, 2005 05:55 PM

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remove your reply

1Planet, you may as well remove your "repy" to my "rational question" since my "rational question" is now expunged from the page.

Author: CitizenJ
Posted: Wednesday June 01, 2005 06:13 PM

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Anti-Globalization

Though some SOSers and almost all IMCers are opposed to CAFTA and FTAA, it's for different reasons.

Right wingers who oppose NAFTA and FTAA (like Pat Buchanan) are isolationists. Left-wingers are internationalists and anti-nationalists.

Left-wing and moderate people generally like the idea of free and open commerce. What they don't like is exploitation and pollution, and the race to the bottom. That's what NAFTA and similar agreements do -- they are a race to the bottom. The main country advocating for this is the USA. They do this because the labor movement is weak, and can't rally the votes to seize more power in the Congress.

After labor's failure against NAFTA, the left had shifted to a kind of isolationism and hand-wringing, for the most part. The pressure against NAFTA finally came together in Seattle, when environmentalists and labor (and internationalists) could finally agree to oppose NAFTA. These sentiments were backed up by ideas of universal human rights, or general decency for all mankind.

The right-wing shifts its debate from their brand of internationalism (invasions, puppet dictators) to isolationism. Right-wing isolationism is different from the anti-globalization movement, because the right doesn't worry as much about conditions in other countries. The idea of "universal human rights" is anathema to right-wing nationalism. Instead, their main concern is sovereignty.

The kink in the left-right split is that, recently, labor has been isolationist, and nationalist. Early in the labor movement, it had a strong leftist, internationalist current, but, with the waves of anti-communism that washed over this country, it was all but eradicated. By the 1960s, union people were beating up on anti-war protesters. Labor also was very anti-immigrant, and some unions were racist.

This nationalist streak still exists in the labor movement, but, as noted above, labor has lost against NAFTA; labor lacks power, and has shrunken. In fact, labor has mostly shruken since it went conservative.

Author: johnk
Posted: Wednesday June 01, 2005 06:13 PM

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SOS Board

I do like the idea of 'de-escalating' this event, and would like to open up a line of communication to do so. But please, understand:

1. I am only one person. I do not plan these events (though I do talk to the people that do). I can make suggestions, but I am only a reporter, nothing more.

2. I do not have the ability to control people. We laugh when you say that there are spies amongst us, because you are witnessing a true community 'grass roots' response. There is no central organization or leadership working against you. There are several organizations (which you are discovering) that are opposed to you, and thousands of individuals. I cannot say, "the group will do X or Y", no one has that power. Joe may be able to say, "I am the leader, and I have decided we are doing X", but no one on the anti-SOS side can do that. The reason I cited the Anarchist on your site is because s/he really hit the nail on the head, there is no leadership or control to the anti-SOS side. It is a complete individual reaction, everyone on their own! It just happens that our side is more popular because people are generally against you.

3. If you start an email dialogue with me, I will respond, and I will pass on your ideas to the people who make decisions about permits and such. I will tell you that the most important thing for a lot of the people is that your group does not have access to the people without opposition. The reason people flanked you in the last protest is that they were placed in the back of the parking lot, away from anyone but them, and you were on the street. People took it upon themselves to take the corners around you, and when the police closed the streets, they took it all. If protesters are told that they can have their "party" in a corner, far away from you guys, it won't fly (no matter what group tries to talk people into pacifism). They need direct access to your group, in your area, or the people will ignore organizers, and take it anyway (like BP1). This is why they are planning to take your spot an hour before you do.

Lets take this off the news lines and into emails. 1planet1people is already taken, but I was able to set up this email:

indymedia1planet1people@yahoo.com

Email me and we can start a dialog.

As far as the normal 'hate mail' that Duaine has been flooded with, I will not respond to any of it. Sorry, but I don't dance with trolls....

Author: 1Planet1People
Posted: Wednesday June 01, 2005 08:39 PM