On 30/Dec/99, Mr. Arnie Lerma discovered that the Scientology cult had
forged photographs putatively taken to show the number of cult followers
that attended their gathering at the L. A. Sports Arena on 28/Dec/99.
This web page covers that discovery by offering extracts from the IRC
chat logs from the #scientologyLIES channel on EFFNet, and by offering
a link to the Washington Post article which covered the story four days
later. (There is a link to the Washington Post article as well as a
photograph of the printed newspaper article which is 172K and shows
the forged photograph as well as an extract from the forged photograph
blown up to show the replication of cult followers the cult was trying
The Washington Post ran an article about this attempted deception and
the text of that article can be found here at:
Washington Post On-Line Article. That's "The Reliable Source"
article titled "Scientology's Funny Photos."
Or, if you would like to read a photograph of the Washington Post's article
which was printed and distributed around the United States, you can click
here: Inflated Follower Count
Session Start: Thu Dec 30 21:55:37 1999
[21:55] *** Now talking in #scientologyLIES
[22:01] <StilNoOTs> hey. they fucked with. these I found two of
the same face
[22:02] <StilNoOTs> yes. goto bottom center. zoom in. wait. convert
this piece of shit to .bmp it turns into 26 megs
[22:02] <Bunnyann> hell, they take forever to load.
[22:02] <Vishnu> really arnie???????!!!!!!!
[22:02] <StilNoOTs> theres a whole bunch opf people drawn in. pasted
twice!. I was looking at this
[22:03] <Vishnu> neato!
[22:03] <StilNoOTs> and the shadows wernt right
[22:03] <jWog> hehehe, i love it.
[22:03] <StilNoOTs> we gottah get media to get these from their site
[22:03] <jWog> let's make sure first!!!
[22:03] <StilNoOTs> they will be able to say we doctored them. go to
230% zoom on event3ls. look along bottom. there
is face turned around lookin at camera. then look
up a couple rows and there is the same guy. then
you will see a whole row pasted in sloppyly. oh
man whole segment repeat!
[22:05] <Damoclese> Good grief. Give it to the media.
[22:06] <StilNoOTs> YES YES. they are fuqued.
[22:07] <StilNoOTs> oh this is rich. OH MY GAWD. they drew hair on one
guy so the repeat wouldnt look the same! Oh man
they did it everywhere
[22:08] <Vishnu> this is getting funny
[22:09] <Damoclese> Does anybody know what Arnie's talking about?
[22:09] <merk> where are the photos ?
[22:09] <Shukaido2> What photos?
[22:10] <Vishnu> yes, he talking about the clam big win at the event
[22:10] <merk> where are they ?
[22:11] <Bunnyann> www.freedommag.org
[22:11] <StilNoOTs> please keep on this channel now. till other folks
get these. they will shut down the site. Yes but
[22:11] <Shukaido2> Where are the photos, please?
[22:11] <Bunnyann> damo, wiggie actually gave me the cite ref, please
keep that quiet.
[22:11] <StilNoOTs> http://www.freedommag.org
[22:15] <Shukaido2> What did they edit out, I wonder.
[22:15] <StilNoOTs> its easy to see ALL ALONMG THE BOTTOM. there is
even a paste crease visible with three of the
same heads. they copied the crowd. painted in some
hair. then pasted segements next to each other.
[22:16] <StilNoOTs> has ANYONE ELSE SEEN THIS YET
[22:16] <Damoclese> arnie: We're still trying to find the damn thing.
Press ready photographs?
[22:20] <StilNoOTs> yes
[22:21] <Damoclese> Here it is.
[22:22] <StilNoOTs> as you look across bottom towards bottom right
these a sloppy paste line. theres a. lemmie look
at other one I got. i wonder if the pastes are
different in different shots... they are toast
[22:22] <Damoclese> I have to close mIRC.
[22:22] *** Disconnected
Session Start: Thu Dec 30 22:26:07 1999
[22:26] *** Now talking in #scientologyLIES
[22:28] <merk> the pillars around LRH's picture on wall also
has paste marks
[22:31] <Damoclese> Every press agency that received this photograph
would _love_ to run an exposure on the fact that
it's doctored to triple the number of followers
[22:34] <StilNoOTs> do you guys think id be good idea to STFU until
the media actually downloads these monsters? I
mean tell the media folks but STFU on ars. the
clams will pull them
[22:35] <Damoclese> Yes, abolsutely say nothing.
[22:35] <Bunnyann> we cannot say antyhing publically yet, until they
[22:35] <jWog> arnie, i agree! let the media analyse these puppies
and break the story. then if the media doesn't
break the doctored photos story, you can.
[22:37] <merk> they are definately edited
[22:37] <jWog> Damoclese, right... but arnie or someone needs
to point it out to them.
[22:37] <merk> scieno's will probably say that they did that to
paste several pictures together to get it all in
[22:39] <jWog> Arnie could do zoomed in shots for the pres to
show what to look for and let them download and
confirm it themsleves from the Freedom site.
[22:39] <StilNoOTs> thats reaching. and the shadows dont look right
in te stands the im in an industrial imnage editor
micrographix Picture Publisher
[22:41] <StilNoOTs> oh yeah. they cant say they pasted wrong. they
drew hair on one guy
[22:42] <Damoclese> Arnie: If we were to examine their other
photographs, I bet we would see much the same
[22:42] <StilNoOTs> ok Im gonna web a piece of this
[22:42] <Damoclese> arnie: That would help.
[22:42] <StilNoOTs> http://www.lermanet.com/ScientologyLIES.jpg
[ but its not there yet wait ]
[22:43] <jWog> Does anyone know if any ppl at the event got
to take photos or was it no cameras allowed
[22:43] <Bunnyann> well, after merk plays with all this and we
have evidence, we can do something. arnie, and
just think, its thanks to wiggie giving me the
url tonight we have this already.
[22:44] <merk> they gave them out as press releases... so
that's meant for public consumtion I would
believe... correct me if I am wrong
[22:44] <jWog> i would like to see our spy photos of the Event.
[22:44] <StilNoOTs> ok guys its there. check out the hair they drew
[22:45] <Vishnu> guy with three arms???!!
[22:46] <StilNoOTs> yall see that?
[22:47] <Vishnu> merk says a guy with 3 arms.
[22:48] <merk> well, sorta... one of his arms is shifted pretty
[22:49] <StilNoOTs> see guy center right looking left clapping? bald?
[22:49] <StilNoOTs> look down and left and there he is again with hair
[22:50] <StilNoOTs> bihind him they blurred a spot so you wouldnt
notice. they two folks in light colores heads,
they melt together. Ok wait. lemmi draw a line
[22:51] <StilNoOTs> two lines through same points and you will see
[22:52] <Damoclese> I've got better equipment... I'm gmoving the
JPG to my NT box with better video.
[22:54] <merk> sonofabitch... I see doubles in many places
[22:54] <Damoclese> YEEEHAA!! Good fucking grief! You are absolutely
fucking right, ARNIE! <ROFL!> Fucking A!!!
[22:55] <merk> you can see the chick with the white/pink glowing
shirt/whatever... it's duplicated above right
[22:55] <merk> those bastards are BUSTED
[22:57] <Bunnyann> yes, and th man in the black suit, with the blue
shirt, that has been doctored too.
[22:57] <Damoclese> They changed people's hair color, too.
[22:57] <merk> like I said, there are lots of duplicates...
arnie... follow your bottom line to the left of
the picture... it's all duplicated
[22:57] <Bunnyann> damo, yes, they did. the man in the grey suit
with blue shirt for one.
[22:57] <merk> yup.. painted hair on a few and changed others
[22:58] <Damoclese> <rofl!> Man, I _love_ this cult!
[22:58] <StilNoOTs> I mean they cant say they stitched pics togetehr
cause it was a wide shot. then why paint hair?
unless its to LIE
[22:58] <merk> it's a lie. and they did this to make it media
proof shots ? shit, I could edit better than that!
[22:59] <StilNoOTs> yes they are into HI RES High Quality. they gave
us 8 meg shots
[23:01] <Bunnyann> the supreme irony here is wiggie gave me the
site info. poor wiggie.
[23:01] <Damoclese> xxxxx: The cult put these photographs into a
section specifically designated for the media --
which means they've distributed the photograph
to the media for publication in local papers.
[23:01] <StilNoOTs> right? why this fanfare? press photos? they are
trtying to impress US. overhwelm us
[23:02] <Damoclese> Now we know where their 8 million followers are.
[23:02] <StilNoOTs> From the Folks That Brought you Picket Chicken
[23:03] <jWog> Arnie, do you see many other spots that they
did this on the photo?
[23:03] <BhaalSP> their happy people reside inside of a paint
[23:05] <StilNoOTs> $cientology ushers in the millenium with FRAUD
[23:06] <Damoclese> merk: That's cool. I would expect themn to
have done this many times before.
[23:06] <StilNoOTs> its in event1s too. balcony left
[23:08] <BhaalSP> what event is this pic supposed to be of..
their deal earlier this week?
[23:09] <Damoclese> bha: Yes, yesterday, in fact.
[23:09] <merk> I'm sure they will see my system at work pulling
it all down too. in their logs
[23:09] <Damoclese> merk: Then they'll know they're busted.
[23:12] <Bunnyann> well guys, i've done my part in this one. i
dealt with wiggie for hours for this. have fun.
i'm going to bed.
[23:20] <Damoclese> merk: I like the new hair they put on people
and what appears to be a new hat for one guy.
[23:20] <merk> Damoclese: yes, along with the EDITING FRAUD
pictures with circles and lines in it to show
[23:21] <StilNoOTs> wheres the row of people facing the wronmg way?
[23:22] <merk> bottom left... and when you scroll right... you
see they kinda mold in with people that are tiny
for that to happen right, there would need to
be some kind of wall there, or barrier to
diffrentiate the people close and up to those
way down. instead, it just runs together
[23:24] <merk> arnie, GREAT find!
[23:25] <xxxxx> God, if you blow it up like 800 percent you can
see the seems.
[23:25] <StilNoOTs> I never imagined they would dare do this
[23:27] <Damoclese> ALL: The cult is going to pull the photograph
once news gets out that the good guys have all
[23:27] <use> these pics are for the troops, orgs and missions....
[23:29] <Damoclese> use: I'm not so sure... This is going to be
published in "Freedom" magazine. It's designated
as "media ready." That sounds like a press
release to local newspapers. My assumption.
[23:31] <use> yeah damo: but freedom is basically only read
by churchies.... keeps the OSA slaves fired up....
makes them feel like they are getting recognised
[23:31] <Damoclese> use: It looks like one can lie like a Hubbard
in America and there's no laws against it.
[23:31] <use> In 30 years I have seen very very few Freedom
articles in the media
[23:33] <merk> looks like they hired some guy that just bought
his editing program the day before, and used
the manual to help him edit that one
[23:33] <Damoclese> Will they admit they own it by claiming copyright
violation if it's replicated elsewhere by critics,
I wonder? Or will they demand it's doctored
(after their remove the original from their web
site) and claim it doesn't belong to them, I
[23:34] <xxxxx> Oh they'll say we did it, of course.
[23:34] <Damoclese> Maybe we can get Rinder to offer some "reasonable
[23:34] <Damoclese> xxxxx: After removing it, yep, from their web
[23:38] <xxxxx> You see, the people who were THERE for real will
see the pictures, and know what liars they are
[23:58] <Damoclese> They put hair on a lot of people. And changed
the color on hair and clothes.
[00:00] <Damoclese> mek: At least they _tried_ to "make it go right."
They shifted the segments rather than put them
side-by-side. That would have been easier to
[00:01] <Meklar> Dam:Yeah
[00:04] <Damoclese> I'm hungry. Bagel time.
[00:07] <Meklar> I'm off to bed, night all
[00:07] <StilNoOTs> nite mek
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On 30/Dec/99, Mr. Arnie Lerma discovered that the Scientology cult had forged photographs putatively taken to show the number of cult followers that attended their gathering at the L. A. Sports Arena on 28/Dec/99.
This web page covers that discovery by offering extracts from the IRC chat logs from the #scientologyLIES channel on EFFNet, and by offering a link to the Washington Post article which covered the story four days later. (There is a link to the Washington Post article as well as a photograph of the printed newspaper article which is 172K and shows the forged photograph as well as an extract from the forged photograph blown up to show the replication of cult followers the cult was trying to pull.)
The Washington Post ran an article about this attempted deception and the text of that article can be found here at: Washington Post On-Line Article. That's "The Reliable Source" article titled "Scientology's Funny Photos."
Or, if you would like to read a photograph of the Washington Post's article which was printed and distributed around the United States, you can click here: Inflated Follower Count